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Posted: 9/8/2009 8:59:08 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/8/2009 10:12:42 AM EST by RedDane]
Okay guys,

I want to purchase a new hunting rifle, preferably in 30.06, I am going to using it for white-tail deer this fall.

I would prefer a lever action, but a bolt action isn't a bad thing either. I'd like for it to be something that I can go between iron sights and scope if need be. I'd like to spend $600-700 at the most.

I've heard many good things about Browning, I've owned a Henry lever action .22 for years (varmint and plinking) - so I know they make solid dependable rifles.

What make/model deer rifles do you guys have, and what do you recommend that I purchase?

Oh, and thank you to all that help.

EDIT: Spelling.

EDIT: I'm not married to any one caliber, so please post which one you think is best and why. Also, lever action is not a necessity. I just happen to like lever actions. I'm good with bolt actions!

Please do not start an argument in this thread over which caliber is best
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 8:59:46 AM EST
Why 30/.06?

Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:02:41 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/8/2009 9:07:20 AM EST by RedDane]
Originally Posted By CRC:
Why 30/.06?



Nostalgia. What caliber should I be using? I'm not being sarcastic, just curious to know which one is best.

Frankly, I'm not married to any one caliber. I do want to use a caliber that is adequate for the job, i.e. I don't want to shoot a deer with an underpowered round (like the guy in that other thread with the Coyote) and end up only wounding it, as opposed to outright killing it.
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:10:13 AM EST
Browning BLR in .308. You won't regret it....have agreat deer season!


RG
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:10:31 AM EST
Something lever and .30-06 doesn't come cheap but looks like this.
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:12:35 AM EST
A lever action 30/06 with see through scope rings and a 20$ 3x9 scope. Didn't we have a thread about this?
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:14:52 AM EST
Get a 6.8 upper for one of your ARs.

Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:15:11 AM EST
Originally Posted By KELBEAST:
A lever action 30/06 with see through scope rings and a 20$ 3x9 scope. Didn't we have a thread about this?


Did we? Arfcomm is so big, it's hard to follow what is going on at any one time.

I'd sure appreciate your fresh new take on it though - if you don't mind. Regardless of what other threads are out there.
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:16:14 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/8/2009 9:16:23 AM EST by RedDane]
Originally Posted By arowneragain:
Get a 6.8 upper for one of your ARs.



That is a good idea, but I really want a nice deer rifle
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:16:23 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:16:55 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/8/2009 9:17:33 AM EST by RIA45ACP]
I don't think you'll find a lever 30/06 cheap, if you want a lever look at Marlin 336's in 35 Remington.


I wont be much help with what I use, I normally hunt with a 700 in 243, gonna be using a 7mm-08 this year.
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:17:36 AM EST
Ok its not very easy to go from Scope to Irons and back and forth on a hunting rifle. See Through scope mounts arent really a good option. I would go with a Savage in whatever caliber you want from 243 to 30-338 WBY MAG will work. Then put the best glass you can afford on it. Go with something that has low a magnification starting point like 1.5 or 2 and ends up at 6x or better. That will solve all of your deer hunting needs.
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:18:17 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/8/2009 9:19:38 AM EST by VBC]
In Alabama woods, I'm guessing your shots won't be any further than 100 to 150 yards or so.

Just get a Marlin lever action 30-30.

Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:18:28 AM EST
Look at a .308 Winchester then

Just my opinion
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:20:13 AM EST
Originally Posted By VBC:
In Alabama woods, I'm guessing your shots won't be any further than 100 to 150 yards or so.

Just get a Marlin lever action 30-30.



Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:21:18 AM EST
I have a BLR in .270Win.



They make one in .30-06, and it would be about the cheapest lever gun you can get in that chambering if you want to buy new. Having see-through scope rings would be terrible, though - a standard scope mount sits pretty high as it is. I would recommend getting a scope that is variable enough in power to use up close (I put a VX-III 1.5-5x25 on mine).
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:22:22 AM EST
Originally Posted By RedDane:
Originally Posted By arowneragain:
Get a 6.8 upper for one of your ARs.



That is a good idea, but I really want a nice deer rifle


If you want a nice boltaction and don't want to pay almost double for a SAKO, then I suggest a Tikka T3.

http://www.tikka.fi/t3models.php?hunter
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:22:22 AM EST
Originally Posted By VBC:
In Alabama woods, I'm guessing your shots won't be any further than 100 to 150 yards or so.

Just get a Marlin lever action 30-30.



How do you know he is hunting in the woods or even Alabama? He could hunt on a power line clear cut, soybean field, etc where he might get a chance to shoot beyond a 30/30. Having hunted deep in some Bama Hardwoods there were places where I could have taken a 300 yard shot if provided. 90% was under 100 yds but I dont like to be limited on that 10 to 5% oportunity
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:24:48 AM EST
Originally Posted By CRC:
Why 30/.06?



Well your pretty much a dumass not to get a 30-06.

It's the largest non-magnum caliber.
Bigger is better with boolits, and unless you like spening more money for your cartridges, 06 cartridges seem to fling the boolits about as well as anything else.

I'd buy Leopold, and either, Savage or Remington bolt guns myself.
Or if you really want a lever gun I'd buy a Marlin in 30-30 and perhaps shoot that new fangled ammo they have.
I however would advise never buying anything but a very conventional caliber, for many reseans. You having to ask here what to buy makes that especially pertinant.

Ruger's look nice, to me, but they never seem to shoot very well.
If I'm buy a bolt gun I'd at leaste like to hope I could get close to MOA.

Emory

Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:26:33 AM EST
Originally Posted By phlegm:
I have a BLR in .270Win.

http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo187/dveden/DSC07291.jpg

They make one in .30-06, and it would be about the cheapest lever gun you can get in that chambering if you want to buy new. Having see-through scope rings would be terrible, though - a standard scope mount sits pretty high as it is. I would recommend getting a scope that is variable enough in power to use up close (I put a VX-III 1.5-5x25 on mine).


Very nice, thank you for your help

The reason I had included the iron sights bit was that a friend of mine had a varmint rifle that had enough room underneath the scope that he could see down it when the scope wasn't optimal.

I thought it was a handy feature, as I've hunted critters (rabbits, birds, and nuisance animals for years with just irons). I guess I really don't need that feature, though it would be nice to have.
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:27:28 AM EST
I'd just get a Remington 700
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:27:40 AM EST
Originally Posted By crofoot629:
Originally Posted By CRC:
Why 30/.06?



Well your pretty much a dumass not to get a 30-06.

It's the largest non-magnum caliber.
Bigger is better with boolits, and unless you like spening more money for your cartridges, 06 cartridges seem to fling the boolits about as well as anything else.

Emory



Uh .50 BMG, .35 Whelen, .45-70,

Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:28:58 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/8/2009 9:29:14 AM EST by RedDane]
Originally Posted By crofoot629:
Originally Posted By CRC:
Why 30/.06?



Well your pretty much a dumass not to get a 30-06.

It's the largest non-magnum caliber.
Bigger is better with boolits, and unless you like spening more money for your cartridges, 06 cartridges seem to fling the boolits about as well as anything else.

I'd buy Leopold, and either, Savage or Remington bolt guns myself.
Or if you really want a lever gun I'd buy a Marlin in 30-30 and perhaps shoot that new fangled ammo they have.
I however would advise never buying anything but a very conventional caliber, for many reseans. You having to ask here what to buy makes that especially pertinant.

Ruger's look nice, to me, but they never seem to shoot very well.
If I'm buy a bolt gun I'd at leaste like to hope I could get close to MOA.

Emory



Well, uh, thanks for your input.

Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:29:15 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/8/2009 9:31:26 AM EST by VBC]
Originally Posted By MTNmyMag:
Originally Posted By VBC:
In Alabama woods, I'm guessing your shots won't be any further than 100 to 150 yards or so.

Just get a Marlin lever action 30-30.



How do you know he is hunting in the woods or even Alabama? He could hunt on a power line clear cut, soybean field, etc where he might get a chance to shoot beyond a 30/30. Having hunted deep in some Bama Hardwoods there were places where I could have taken a 300 yard shot if provided. 90% was under 100 yds but I dont like to be limited on that 10 to 5% oportunity


That's why I said "I'm guessing..."

Just like how do you know he's not going to be hunting in the woods, or even Alabama?

The Marlin 30-30 has probably put down more deer in the woods than many rifles.

Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:30:54 AM EST
Originally Posted By RedDane:
Originally Posted By KELBEAST:
A lever action 30/06 with see through scope rings and a 20$ 3x9 scope. Didn't we have a thread about this?


Did we? Arfcomm is so big, it's hard to follow what is going on at any one time.

I'd sure appreciate your fresh new take on it though - if you don't mind. Regardless of what other threads are out there.


Sir, FWIW I've hunter Virginia white tail with bow and arrow, BP rifles, modern rifles, and handguns. A clean kill is all about shot placement regardless the cartridge selected. I've even killed white tail with an M1 Garand in .30-06. Other rifles I've also used are .270 Win, .308 Win. .25-06, and .243 Win. .223 Remington is illegal for white tail in Virginia. Assuming good shot placement my choice of cartridge for white tail is .243 Win because there is generally less damage to the animal. I like Sako bolt action rifles and Leupold scopes for the purpose. I know others that prefer lever action type rifles and the Browning BLR is quite suitable for the stated purpose and cartridge but I've never liked to use a scope on a lever action because it has to be mounted to high for the height of the stock comb to suit me. My brother likes to use a Winchester '94 ,30-30 for the purpose but I prefer a flatter shooting cartridge for longer distances. I zero all my rifles at 200yds. HTH, 7zero1.

Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:31:00 AM EST
Originally Posted By MTNmyMag:
Originally Posted By VBC:
In Alabama woods, I'm guessing your shots won't be any further than 100 to 150 yards or so.

Just get a Marlin lever action 30-30.



How do you know he is hunting in the woods or even Alabama? He could hunt on a power line clear cut, soybean field, etc where he might get a chance to shoot beyond a 30/30. Having hunted deep in some Bama Hardwoods there were places where I could have taken a 300 yard shot if provided. 90% was under 100 yds but I dont like to be limited on that 10 to 5% oportunity


What type of scope do you use? is it variable? what do you feel that the min/max magnification, should be?
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:31:18 AM EST
What kind of distances will you be shooting?

Going from iron to scope on a hunting rifle is full of fail. If close shots are a real possibility, a 2-7X should be fine. Those see thru rings are crap.

30-06 is overkill for Alabama deer.

Get a nice 7mm-08 Model 700, top with a Leupold 2-7 or 3-9 and have a sub MOA deer killing rig.

Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:32:36 AM EST
Originally Posted By 7zero1:
Originally Posted By RedDane:
Originally Posted By KELBEAST:
A lever action 30/06 with see through scope rings and a 20$ 3x9 scope. Didn't we have a thread about this?


Did we? Arfcomm is so big, it's hard to follow what is going on at any one time.

I'd sure appreciate your fresh new take on it though - if you don't mind. Regardless of what other threads are out there.


Sir, FWIW I've hunter Virginia white tail with bow and arrow, BP rifles, modern rifles, and handguns. A clean kill is all about shot placement regardless the cartridge selected. I've even killed white tail with an M1 Garand in .30-06. Other rifles I've also used are .270 Win, .308 Win. .25-06, and .243 Win. .223 Remington is illegal for white tail in Virginia. Assuming good shot placement my choice of cartridge for white tail is .243 Win because there is generally less damage to the animal. I like Sako bolt action rifles and Leupold scopes for the purpose. I know others that prefer lever action type rifles and the Browning BLR is quite suitable for the stated purpose and cartridge but I've never liked to use a scope on a lever action because it has to be mounted to high for the height of the stock comb to suit me. My brother likes to use a Winchester '94 ,30-30 for the purpose but I prefer a flatter shooting cartridge for longer distances. I zero all my rifles at 200yds. HTH, 7zero1.



This is great, thanks!
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:33:16 AM EST
My white tail gun:

Remington Model 700 BDL
.308 Win
Charles Daly 3-9 scope

Yes, I'm kickin' it old school....
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:35:27 AM EST
Originally Posted By Bubbatheredneck:
What kind of distances will you be shooting?

Going from iron to scope on a hunting rifle is full of fail. If close shots are a real possibility, a 2-7X should be fine. Those see thru rings are crap.

30-06 is overkill for Alabama deer.

Get a nice 7mm-08 Model 700, top with a Leupold 2-7 or 3-9 and have a sub MOA deer killing rig.



I'm going to guess that I'll be shooting at a max of 200 yards, most encounters will probably be less. I'd still like to have the opportunity to take longer distance shots.

I do like the idea of a variable focus scope.

Thanks for the input.
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:35:45 AM EST
30-06 isn't necessary for deer but if you have any aspirations of going after bigger game hard to beat it for a 1 rifle hunter. Savage and Remington are both good choices. For an entry level gun the Marlin XS/XL7's are getting good results on the range. My main KY deer rifle has been a Remington Model 7 in 260 but I have this urge to take my Marlin 444 out this season and hammer one with it.
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:37:32 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/8/2009 9:38:15 AM EST by Kid_Sampson]
Originally Posted By RedDane:
Originally Posted By MTNmyMag:
Originally Posted By VBC:
In Alabama woods, I'm guessing your shots won't be any further than 100 to 150 yards or so.

Just get a Marlin lever action 30-30.



How do you know he is hunting in the woods or even Alabama? He could hunt on a power line clear cut, soybean field, etc where he might get a chance to shoot beyond a 30/30. Having hunted deep in some Bama Hardwoods there were places where I could have taken a 300 yard shot if provided. 90% was under 100 yds but I dont like to be limited on that 10 to 5% oportunity


What type of scope do you use? is it variable? what do you feel that the min/max magnification, should be?


Any 3-9 or 3.5-10 scope should do just fine.

Personally, I have a 3.5-10 Leupold Vari-X III on my SAKO 75.
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:38:13 AM EST

Originally Posted By glazer1972:
Here is another .30-06 lever gun.

Coworker has one. Says it works good. I've never personally shot it but he has taken many deer with it.
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:38:42 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:40:46 AM EST
Originally Posted By Kid_Sampson:
Originally Posted By RedDane:
Originally Posted By MTNmyMag:
Originally Posted By VBC:
In Alabama woods, I'm guessing your shots won't be any further than 100 to 150 yards or so.

Just get a Marlin lever action 30-30.



How do you know he is hunting in the woods or even Alabama? He could hunt on a power line clear cut, soybean field, etc where he might get a chance to shoot beyond a 30/30. Having hunted deep in some Bama Hardwoods there were places where I could have taken a 300 yard shot if provided. 90% was under 100 yds but I dont like to be limited on that 10 to 5% oportunity


What type of scope do you use? is it variable? what do you feel that the min/max magnification, should be?


Any 3-9 or 3.5-10 scope should do just fine.

Personally, I have a 3.5-10 Leupold Vari-X III on my SAKO 75.


That's a nice scope!
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:41:08 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/8/2009 9:43:03 AM EST by Kid_Sampson]
Originally Posted By dbd870:
30-06 isn't necessary for deer but if you have any aspirations of going after bigger game hard to beat it for a 1 rifle hunter. Savage and Remington are both good choices. For an entry level gun the Marlin XS/XL7's are getting good results on the range. My main KY deer rifle has been a Remington Model 7 in 260 but I have this urge to take my Marlin 444 out this season and hammer one with it.


I was just about to mention, that if the OP only intends to hunt animals no larger than a moose, a .264 caliber rifle would be perfect.

The .260 and 6.5x55 are fantastic cartridges that have substantially less recoil than a 30-06, yet they are just as deadly on game.
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:41:08 AM EST


Thank you!
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:41:33 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/8/2009 9:42:20 AM EST by ZekeMenuar]
If I was to get a bolt gun in 30-06 it would be a Weatherby Vanguard/Howa 1500. The best kept secret at the gun store.

If I wanted a lever gun, I'd go into my safe and get out my Savage M99-R in 300 Savage.
The M99 was made in 308 Winchester and would be perfect for your neck of the woods.
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:43:03 AM EST
Just go get a remington 700 base model ($400-500) and spend about $100 on some glass. It's going to be very difficult to go wrong.

My deer rifle is a Rem 700 ADL in 7mm rem mag. I went 7 mag because in AZ the majority of our shots are 250+ yds, and I wanted something with more gusto than 30-06.

The nice thing about remington 700s is, regardless of what hunting caliber you choose, out of the box you are more than enough "kill a deer" accurate enough to go get the job done. Most hunting rifles will be this way, but for the future the remington 700 gives you a lot of variety of options to upgrade.

If you want to play with it, you can go get a nicer stock, a new trigger group, and do just as much work as you want to do, most of which without a gunsmith.
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:45:34 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/8/2009 9:53:53 AM EST by AeroE]
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:47:16 AM EST
http://www.savagearms.com/116fxp3.htm

Right here is all that you will need, I picked up this same rifle new in the box a couple of years for 469.00, crazy accurate, and it has the accutrigger. It does everything that you caould want ti to do.
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:47:50 AM EST
You also have to take into account, harder recoiling guns take more practice and resolve to shoot accurately.

If you don't need it, why put up with the harder recoil of a more powerful caliber?

It's easier to shoot a softer recoiling gun more accurately. They're much more forgiving.
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:49:16 AM EST
here's the thing...and I fell into it too. Unless you're actually going to shoot over a hundred yards or so, the old fashioned "thutty thutty" will work perfectly fine. Carrying that fancy 12x scoped bolt gun in 87 whizbang is entirely unnecessary.

Just match the gun, cartridge, and bullet to the game you intend to hunt within the normal parameter of shot distance you are likely to make.
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:50:09 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/8/2009 9:50:59 AM EST by RedDane]
Originally Posted By AeroE:
Originally Posted By RedDane:
Originally Posted By KELBEAST:
A lever action 30/06 with see through scope rings and a 20$ 3x9 scope. Didn't we have a thread about this?


Did we? Arfcomm is so big, it's hard to follow what is going on at any one time.

I'd sure appreciate your fresh new take on it though - if you don't mind. Regardless of what other threads are out there.


I didn't see it either, but I can tell you gist will be see through rings blow, and cheap optics simply add to the cost of the good optics you'll be forced to buy anyway.

And it's true.

You won't have much to choose from in a lever gun chambered for .30-06. The BLR and the Winchester Model 1895 are the only two that come to mind. The 1895 will be difficult to scope, and it shouldn't have an optic in my opinion.

Since you're not married to a cartridge, why not buy a Marlin 336 chambered for .30-30 or .35 Remington?






Thank you, this is very helpful information - the same to Unpleasant and Zeke. I really appreciate your insights.

I had been told that .30/06 was an excellent deer round. I've never hunted deer before (just a lot of smaller game), and I'm trying to ease into the bigger game by doing my research. I own ARs/AKs and I've done my research there as well, I simply didn't want to run off and purchase something without becoming more informed.

I figured that if anyone should know where and what I should go with it would be you guys.

Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:52:36 AM EST
Originally Posted By VBC:
You also have to take into account, harder recoiling guns take more practice and resolve to shoot accurately.

If you don't need it, why put up with the harder recoil of a more powerful caliber?

It's easier to shoot a softer recoiling gun more accurately. They're much more forgiving.


Smart! and very true.
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 9:54:05 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/8/2009 10:00:53 AM EST by RedDane]
Originally Posted By machinisttx:
here's the thing...and I fell into it too. Unless you're actually going to shoot over a hundred yards or so, the old fashioned "thutty thutty" will work perfectly fine. Carrying that fancy 12x scoped bolt gun in 87 whizbang is entirely unnecessary.

Just match the gun, cartridge, and bullet to the game you intend to hunt within the normal parameter of shot distance you are likely to make.


That's a solid observation. That thought is analogous to purchasing an AR and covering it up with every accessory known to mankind. Personally, I just want to own a deer rifle that will do the job well. I don't need every farkle.. as much fun as it would probably be.



Link Posted: 9/8/2009 10:03:07 AM EST
If it comes down to picking calibers, people will start having a shitfit in this thread.

.30-06 will do the job, that's an excellent choice, it's extremely effective.
.270 or 7mm Rem mag would be excellent choices as well.

For rings, I highly suggest Talley rings. Here's a link: http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=129972 They take a beating and still hold an excellent zero.

When looking at glass, Vortex makes excellent scopes. I went with the vortex diamondback 4-12x with the BDC reticle. The rifle is zeroed for 200yds and it is VERY easy to make longer shots with that reticle set on the scope. http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-diamondback-4-12x40-riflescope-dead-hold-bdc-reticle/reticle

You could obviously go with Nikon, Leupold, etc.. Just don't skimp on the glass, be ready to spend $100-$200 at least, it's worth every penny.

I would suggestion against mounting anything higher than 12x power for a hunting rifle. Your target is going to be more difficult to find initially, then after your shot your sight picture goes to hell with the recoil of the rifle, making follow up shots more difficult. So stick with a 3-9x or 4-12x
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 10:05:48 AM EST
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=139154469

Can't speak for the rest of the country, but since it's intro, I would bet this rifle has kilt more whitetails here in PA than any other. Hell, proly more than all others combined.

Pump>lever.
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 10:07:46 AM EST
You could be like the good ol' boys around here –– buy a 7mm or 300 WM bolt-action, and top it off with the highest magnification China-made optic that $100 will get you. Otherwise, your bragging rights around the campfire are in serious peril.

FWIW, I second the recommendation for a Marlin .30-30.
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 10:15:12 AM EST
Originally Posted By RedDane:
Originally Posted By crofoot629:
Originally Posted By CRC:
Why 30/.06?



Well your pretty much a dumass not to get a 30-06.

It's the largest non-magnum caliber.
Bigger is better with boolits, and unless you like spening more money for your cartridges, 06 cartridges seem to fling the boolits about as well as anything else.

I'd buy Leopold, and either, Savage or Remington bolt guns myself.
Or if you really want a lever gun I'd buy a Marlin in 30-30 and perhaps shoot that new fangled ammo they have.
I however would advise never buying anything but a very conventional caliber, for many reseans. You having to ask here what to buy makes that especially pertinant.

Ruger's look nice, to me, but they never seem to shoot very well.
If I'm buy a bolt gun I'd at leaste like to hope I could get close to MOA.

Emory



Well, uh, thanks for your input.




on
"Boolits"
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 10:16:26 AM EST
Originally Posted By ken_mays:
You could be like the good ol' boys around here –– buy a 7mm or 300 WM bolt-action, and top it off with the highest magnification China-made optic that $100 will get you. Otherwise, your bragging rights around the campfire are in serious peril.

FWIW, I second the recommendation for a Marlin .30-30.


Hah nah, I simply need a high quality variable scope.. it seems like the way to go.

I'm leaning towards the .30 .30. However, there is a lot of reading to do (which is just fine) before I make the decision.
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