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Posted: 10/13/2008 9:22:24 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/13/2008 9:24:56 AM EDT
[#1]
Why? 6.8, a few Super Short magnums...why?


eta Heck I for got the Bushmaster .450, it has a bit of energy.
Link Posted: 10/13/2008 9:37:21 AM EDT
[#2]
Geeze, just what we need, another round.

I think I will wait about 10 years and see if its still being made before I even think about buying one.
Link Posted: 10/13/2008 9:38:37 AM EDT
[#3]
wow sounds great. we really needed another AR round.
Link Posted: 10/13/2008 9:41:31 AM EDT
[#4]
It smokes the 6.8! It looks like nearly 300 ft-lbs more energy
Link Posted: 10/13/2008 9:44:05 AM EDT
[#5]
Can't blame them for trying..

This kind of stuff is what keeps the industry going.
Link Posted: 10/13/2008 9:47:12 AM EDT
[#6]
Why not just make a "+P" loaded Czech 7.62x45, taking advantage of all the surplus out there, and call it a day?
Link Posted: 10/13/2008 9:49:02 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/13/2008 9:49:21 AM EDT
[#8]

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Can't blame them for trying..

This kind of stuff is what keeps the industry going.


x2.  So what if no one buys it.  If everyone had the same mentality as most people here, nothing new would be put in the market.

They tried something new, so what?
Link Posted: 10/13/2008 9:49:58 AM EDT
[#9]
Looking at the cartridge drawing in the updated post, it looks like some genius took the .450 Bushmaster and necked it down to .308  Wonder how long the bolts will last?
Link Posted: 10/13/2008 9:52:45 AM EDT
[#10]
I am trying to envision a  .30 cal 125gr bullet at a claimed 2800 fps that will fit in a normal AR sized upper. Remember that a 223 has a 45mm case length and the  7.62x39 is 39 mm long and is a 30 cal usually shooting a 123 gr bullet at about 2300 fps.  I would like to see the dimensions of the new Remington round to see how they did it.
Link Posted: 10/13/2008 9:53:49 AM EDT
[#11]

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So it's basically a light recoil 308? I know guys that hunt with 7.62x39 uppers with good results, this would presumably have better bullets, so even if the power is about the same it should be an okay carbine for deer.


It is superior to the 7.62 x 39.  With a 125 grain bullet, 2700 FPS.  That is MUCH FASTER,

Less body taper means it should extract better (read Parker Ackley's works for the reason why).  
Link Posted: 10/13/2008 9:55:17 AM EDT
[#12]
I am still not sure why they didn't just do some more work on the 6.8 SPC, which is shaping up surprisingly well.
Link Posted: 10/13/2008 9:56:32 AM EDT
[#13]
I'll take a 6.5mm thanks!
Link Posted: 10/13/2008 9:58:38 AM EDT
[#14]

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Can't blame them for trying..

This kind of stuff is what keeps the industry going.


This just enables the idea of "common usage" and preventing further ideas for the possibility of a new AWB.

Keep the rounds coming wether there are something i like or not.
Link Posted: 10/13/2008 10:02:29 AM EDT
[#15]

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I'll take a 6.5mm thanks!


yep. but the 6.5 might possibly be too long on this case.

as long as we're wishing, I'd like a 7mm, please...
Link Posted: 10/13/2008 10:03:42 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/13/2008 10:06:54 AM EDT
[#17]
The more the merrier.
Link Posted: 10/13/2008 10:06:59 AM EDT
[#18]

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Can't blame them for trying..

This kind of stuff is what keeps the industry going.


This just enables the idea of "common usage" and preventing further ideas for the possibility of a new AWB.

Keep the rounds coming wether there are something i like or not.


Exactly.  I hope they make one in blued steel with walnut furniture.  Make it a fudd gun, whatever it takes.
Link Posted: 10/13/2008 10:13:07 AM EDT
[#19]

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Can't blame them for trying..

This kind of stuff is what keeps the industry going.


This just enables the idea of "common usage" and preventing further ideas for the possibility of a new AWB.

Keep the rounds coming wether there are something i like or not.


Exactly.  I hope they make one in blued steel with walnut furniture.  Make it a fudd gun, whatever it takes.


Not a bad idea, It is easier to argue against a ban when Remington (read: a big employer in America) is actively creating cartridges for their own "hunting" version of the AR-15. Whether you like the new cartridge or not, this is a good thing.

ETA: after reading the article, I am thinking this will be a better round for Hogs than what is currently available in the AR platform.
Link Posted: 10/13/2008 10:19:47 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/13/2008 10:34:43 AM EDT
[#21]

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Can't blame them for trying..

This kind of stuff is what keeps the industry going.


This just enables the idea of "common usage" and preventing further ideas for the possibility of a new AWB.

Keep the rounds coming wether there are something i like or not.



Every hunter here should kill a deer this fall with an AR and post the photos on this site.  The more cartridges, the better.

You guys with AK's and SKS's can whack them, too.


Just to make it clear to you speed readers.  When he says "whack them and post pics," he's talking about killing deer.  
Link Posted: 10/13/2008 10:42:31 AM EDT
[#22]
didn't thompson center develop the ".30TC" for use in the ICON bolt action rifle?  i don't think it gained any traction beyond that one rifle.

so, is the only upper to ever use this going to be the camo non-AR  AR remington sells?
Link Posted: 10/13/2008 7:05:35 PM EDT
[#23]
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Can't blame them for trying..

This kind of stuff is what keeps the industry going.


This just enables the idea of "common usage" and preventing further ideas for the possibility of a new AWB.

Keep the rounds coming wether there are something i like or not. hope


Not a bad idea, It is easier to argue against a ban when Remington (read: a big employer in America) is actively creating cartridges for their own "hunting" version of the AR-15. Whether you like the new cartridge or not, this is a good thing.

ETA: after reading the article, I am thinking this will be a better round for Hogs than what is currently available in the AR platform.


That's right. The more they're used for hunting the better for everyone involved.

Remember: there are no bad guns.
Link Posted: 10/13/2008 7:11:40 PM EDT
[#24]
Interesting, I'd like to see the load data.
Link Posted: 10/13/2008 7:11:52 PM EDT
[#25]
A solution in search of a problem
Link Posted: 10/13/2008 7:17:53 PM EDT
[#26]

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A solution in search of a problem


Not really it solves the issue of wanting to hunt with an AR15 but not wanting to hunt with .223
Link Posted: 10/13/2008 7:18:55 PM EDT
[#27]

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It does explain why Remmington tried to sabotage th 6.8 SPC.


Remington seems to try real hard to sabotage everything they make.

But this does seem like a surprisingly good idea from them. We'll have to see if they back it up with decent factory support.
Link Posted: 10/13/2008 7:37:42 PM EDT
[#28]

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Looking at the cartridge drawing in the updated post, it looks like some genius took the .450 Bushmaster and necked it down to .308  Wonder how long the bolts will last?

That seems very likely.
Link Posted: 10/13/2008 7:53:23 PM EDT
[#29]

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Can't blame them for trying..

This kind of stuff is what keeps the industry going.


I think a good way to keep the industry going would be to produce lots of cheap .223, 7.62x39, 9mm, etc...

Naw, on second thought, who'd ever buy and blow through cases of cheap, common caliber ammo?

They should only produce common calibers with exotic packaging for $4 per round,
and come out with lots of other weird calibers suitable for... well, I have no idea...
but that would keep the industry going for sure!!!


Thank God for Russia... I guess.
Link Posted: 10/13/2008 8:01:36 PM EDT
[#30]

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A solution in search of a problem


Not really it solves the issue of wanting to hunt with an AR15 but not wanting to hunt with .223



No but this gives the Fud something to use. Whether you and I see it that way is one thing, but if they see it as another...and keeps their heads in the game...I'm game.
Link Posted: 10/13/2008 8:19:05 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/13/2008 8:21:25 PM EDT
[#32]
hey whatever works.  I really like my 6.8
Link Posted: 10/13/2008 8:22:28 PM EDT
[#33]
I see little win on this one.  Seems like it will be stuck with a light bullet do to OAL limitations - and I suspect mag capacity will be neutered as well.  It is a different bullet, not a replacement for the 6.8spc.  It might be great for some, but not the end all be all of ar varients.
Link Posted: 10/13/2008 8:24:54 PM EDT
[#34]
Ooh.  Boutique calibers.  
Link Posted: 10/13/2008 8:27:19 PM EDT
[#35]

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I see little win on this one.  Seems like it will be stuck with a light bullet do to OAL limitations - and I suspect mag capacity will be neutered as well.  It is a different bullet, not a replacement for the 6.8spc.  It might be great for some, but not the end all be all of ar varients.


that's the major limiting factor in 6.8.  You're limited to maybe 120gr tops due to OAL.  I'd imagine a similar size limitation to 30rem.  another problem is that relatively speaking you're pushing more mass with basically the same sized cartridge (and thus similar powder charge).  sounds like 6.8 is the better deal there.
Link Posted: 10/13/2008 8:33:33 PM EDT
[#36]
im going to pass until they make it in a super short ultra mega compact super ultra magnum
Link Posted: 10/13/2008 9:35:23 PM EDT
[#37]
I have an original .30 Remington, sounds like the ballistics aren't far off either...
Link Posted: 10/14/2008 3:20:34 AM EDT
[#38]
There's a bunch more technical info here on the .30 RAR for those guys who are interested.
Link Posted: 10/14/2008 3:46:07 AM EDT
[#39]
well I'll pick up a 6.8 SPC instead
Link Posted: 10/14/2008 4:09:12 AM EDT
[#40]

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Can't blame them for trying..

This kind of stuff is what keeps the industry going.


This just enables the idea of "common usage" and preventing further ideas for the possibility of a new AWB.

Keep the rounds coming wether there are something i like or not.



Every hunter here should kill a deer this fall with an AR and post the photos on this site.  The more cartridges, the better.

You guys with AK's and SKS's can whack them, too.


Well if I shoot a Deer with my AR and posted Pics the State of Ohio might use that against me in a court of law
Sometimes I wish we could use a Rifle legally in Ohio
Link Posted: 10/14/2008 4:34:02 AM EDT
[#41]

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Can't blame them for trying..

This kind of stuff is what keeps the industry going.


This just enables the idea of "common usage" and preventing further ideas for the possibility of a new AWB.

Keep the rounds coming wether there are something i like or not.



Every hunter here should kill a deer this fall with an AR and post the photos on this site.  The more cartridges, the better.

You guys with AK's and SKS's can whack them, too.


I plan on doing that, just need to pick up a 5 round mag.
Link Posted: 10/14/2008 5:06:48 AM EDT
[#42]
I guess they're trying to market these to Fudd types that don't want to shoot 'the puny tumbling-outta-the-barrel round that killed all our boys in VN' or other 'militaruh calibers'.

I wish the would have pushed the 6.8 instead.

Either way, if it gets more people shooting ARs it's good for everyone.
Link Posted: 10/14/2008 8:20:00 AM EDT
[#43]
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Can't blame them for trying..

This kind of stuff is what keeps the industry going.


This just enables the idea of "common usage" and preventing further ideas for the possibility of a new AWB.

Keep the rounds coming wether there are something i like or not. hunter.  The more cartridges, the better.

You guys with AK's and SKS's can whack them, too.


Well if I shoot a Deer with my AR and posted Pics the State of Ohio might use that against me in a court of law h


Maybe they'll come out with a slug gun version chambered in .410. A mini-slug gun.
Link Posted: 10/14/2008 8:27:13 AM EDT
[#44]

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wow sounds great. we really needed another AR round.


You do if you want to hunt with the AR in some states.
Link Posted: 10/14/2008 8:27:13 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/14/2008 8:29:46 AM EDT
[#46]
Didn't somebody make a side feeding 7.62x51 upper for the AR to get around magwell length limitation?
Link Posted: 10/14/2008 8:31:02 AM EDT
[#47]
Link Posted: 10/14/2008 8:34:15 AM EDT
[#48]

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wow sounds great. we really needed another AR round.


You do if you want to hunt with the AR in some states.


Yup, can't hunt with a 5.56 AR in KS.
Link Posted: 10/14/2008 8:37:39 AM EDT
[#49]
Any move to further mainstream the AR platform into the hunting world seems beneficial to me.
Link Posted: 10/14/2008 8:41:01 AM EDT
[#50]

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I'll take a 6.5mm thanks!


yep. but the 6.5 might possibly be too long on this case.

as long as we're wishing, I'd like a 7mm, please...



I've wanted an upper in 7mm TCU for years, but to my knowledge no one makes it yet.
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