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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:35:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mgwantob: Do you think the Fentanyl in his blood was naturally occurring (miracle) or do you think he ate it? Serious question. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mgwantob: Originally Posted By Urbdok: Originally Posted By mgwantob: What you’re all failing to realize is he would’ve died anyways, hollering and screaming while fighting with the cops. He ingested a fatal amount of drugs as soon as he saw them walking up to the SUV he was in. There still would’ve been video and the cops still would’ve been blamed. I’m not so sure the outcome would've been any different had Chauvin not used the MRT technique. The Marxists needed whatever they could get to turn people against Trump, and they used that dead black felon for everything they could milk his rotting corpse for. He was a means to an end, nothing more. Keep in mind these people are happy he died under the circumstances that he did. It might have been a lethal dose or might not. Marxists states require lots and lots of police to keep everyone under control so a lot of the rhetoric brings to mind Sam Kinison's take on the rock against drugs campaign. Do you think the Fentanyl in his blood was naturally occurring (miracle) or do you think he ate it? Serious question. I think people who are heavy addicts can function with levels of drugs in their system that would incapacitate or kill someone who isn't a heavy user. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:37:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sokarul: So yes. Is 11 ng/mL enough to kill 3 people, let alone the size of GF? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sokarul: Originally Posted By mgwantob: You can reference it yourself at the Hennepin County site here: https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/medical-examiner/floyd-autopsy-6-3-20.pdf So yes. Is 11 ng/mL enough to kill 3 people, let alone the size of GF? Most definitely, especially with his comorbidities. But I’m sure you subscribe to the Ben Crump narrative that he was a perfectly healthy young man. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:39:27 PM EST
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What was Floyd's response when asked if he had taken anything? Floyd eats fentanyl, and the officers made him do it? Which one of Floyd's cohorts spoke up and mentioned that Floyd just ate the drugs? |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:45:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Urbdok: I think people who are heavy addicts can function with levels of drugs in their system that would incapacitate or kill someone who isn't a heavy user. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Urbdok: Originally Posted By mgwantob: Originally Posted By Urbdok: Originally Posted By mgwantob: What you’re all failing to realize is he would’ve died anyways, hollering and screaming while fighting with the cops. He ingested a fatal amount of drugs as soon as he saw them walking up to the SUV he was in. There still would’ve been video and the cops still would’ve been blamed. I’m not so sure the outcome would've been any different had Chauvin not used the MRT technique. The Marxists needed whatever they could get to turn people against Trump, and they used that dead black felon for everything they could milk his rotting corpse for. He was a means to an end, nothing more. Keep in mind these people are happy he died under the circumstances that he did. It might have been a lethal dose or might not. Marxists states require lots and lots of police to keep everyone under control so a lot of the rhetoric brings to mind Sam Kinison's take on the rock against drugs campaign. Do you think the Fentanyl in his blood was naturally occurring (miracle) or do you think he ate it? Serious question. I think people who are heavy addicts can function with levels of drugs in their system that would incapacitate or kill someone who isn't a heavy user. Oh right, the ol’ drug addict health superpower. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:51:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ulster: We see videos every week, right here in GD, of innocent civilians getting fucked over by bad apples. It's only fair, every once in a while innocent cops get fucked by the same system. Apostle Chauvin and St. George are both in a better place now. If Chauvin is innocent, that only makes it better.  It’s sad that you don’t see how messed up your statement is. You should take a hard look at yourself. Your moral compass is out of adjustment. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:53:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4Teen_R: What was Floyd's response when asked if he had taken anything? Floyd eats fentanyl, and the officers made him do it? Which one of Floyd's cohorts spoke up and mentioned that Floyd just ate the drugs? It went something like this, paraphrasing from the video: “Offisuh pleeze, god dammit! I just lost my momma, oh god damn. I got shot last time. I didn’t do nothin. I can’ts breath, god damn!” |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:57:43 PM EST
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Whatever your take is on George the saint i still think that the trial was a witch hunt. everyone was looking for someone to blame and they found their scapegoat in the police. the fact we let looting and riots consume the city is just another bunch of liberal crap our governor thought was a good idea.
Minneapolis should have used the national guard right away instead of waiting and letting them burn a police station and loot and burn business is total BS. the city also should have deputized citizens who owned businesses in the downtown and told them they were free to protect them by whatever means necessary if the city could not handle the job, governor waltz is a dumb ass who would be lucky to make a rational decision on a good day and in the midst of a crises he failed on every level. Yet was reelected because the republicans were not pro choice and Minnesota downtown is almost California. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:59:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mgwantob: Most definitely, especially with his comorbidities. But I’m sure you subscribe to the Ben Crump narrative that he was a perfectly healthy young man. No, I subscribe to the science narrative. The one where fully functioning alive people test 9-11. But you say less than 4 is automatically lethal. Why do sone people test 11 and are alive? What about the high norfentanyl level which people who OD never have? |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:02:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sokarul: No, I subscribe to the science narrative. The one where fully functioning alive people test 9-11. But you say less than 4 is automatically lethal. Why do sone people test 11 and are alive? What about the high norfentanyl level which people who OD never have? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sokarul: Originally Posted By mgwantob: Most definitely, especially with his comorbidities. But I’m sure you subscribe to the Ben Crump narrative that he was a perfectly healthy young man. No, I subscribe to the science narrative. The one where fully functioning alive people test 9-11. But you say less than 4 is automatically lethal. Why do sone people test 11 and are alive? What about the high norfentanyl level which people who OD never have? You appear to be a science denier by suggesting Fentanyl ingestion can’t possibly have anything to do with a cardiac arrest. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:10:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By icecold1: Whatever your take is on George the saint i still think that the trial was a witch hunt. everyone was looking for someone to blame and they found their scapegoat in the police. the fact we let looting and riots consume the city is just another bunch of liberal crap our governor thought was a good idea. Minneapolis should have used the national guard right away instead of waiting and letting them burn a police station and loot and burn business is total BS. the city also should have deputized citizens who owned businesses in the downtown and told them they were free to protect them by whatever means necessary if the city could not handle the job, governor waltz is a dumb ass who would be lucky to make a rational decision on a good day and in the midst of a crises he failed on every level. Yet was reelected because the republicans were not pro choice and Minnesota downtown is almost California. In a perfect world probably none of them would have been there. Floyd(and his crew)should have got his ticket punched by the female victim of their home invasion and assault Chauvin should have been been gone over the tax fraud. Lane(the one who tried to stop it) had a record. https://www.insider.com/fired-minneapolis-police-officer-thomas-lane-had-criminal-record-2020-6 Thao had at least 1 payout for use of force. Kueng? Who knows considering the rest. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:18:16 PM EST
[Last Edit: AZNetEng]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ulster: With that being true, it doesn't make Derik a good cop either. I agree, behavior matters. If Derik's behavior was different, we would know for sure whether this was an overdose. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ulster: Originally Posted By adam556: Absolutely not, but the behavior of Floyd and Trayvon leading up to their deaths didn't help them. If their behavior had been different they may not have died when they did. With that being true, it doesn't make Derik a good cop either. I agree, behavior matters. If Derik's behavior was different, we would know for sure whether this was an overdose. Why was George on the ground? Do you know? |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:18:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mgwantob: So do you believe he should’ve been allowed to flail around, cussing and screaming, doing whatever the hell he wanted because he ate a bunch of drugs? No, I believed the professionals trained to recognize the dangers to act accordingly. There was no regard for the suspects well being, drugs or not. Hell, let him pass out in the back of the squad waiting for the paramedics. Instead they went hands on supplying the most graphic optics for the entire nation. Beyond stupid. Mpls burned when they went even further and bailed on everyone in that city. Talk about abrogating responsibility! The City burned because the police failed to enforce state law. Orders were just much more important than law. floyd just exposed the total hypocrisy of protect and serve on national tv. Nobody made them do it right? Basically abandoning an entire city to a rioting mob. The kneeling and boot kissing was totally epic afterwards. Orders I guess. Unless city, state or govt property, you are on your own. Guess who will make sure you pay if you do anything to protect yours? That rookie was the only one even resembling a police officer that day, as we have been sold. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:22:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mgwantob: You appear to be a science denier by suggesting Fentanyl ingestion can’t possibly have anything to do with a cardiac arrest. Well I didn’t make that claim. But you claimed 11 ng could kill 3 people. Now I see you completely ignore my questions. So I will ask again, why do alive people test at 9-11 when you claim 4 ng is fatal? |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:23:29 PM EST
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Prosecutors are pieces of shit? Who knew?
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:27:28 PM EST
[Last Edit: mgwantob]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sokarul: Well I didn’t make that claim. But you claimed 11 ng could kill 3 people. Now I see you completely ignore my questions. So I will ask again, why do alive people test at 9-11 when you claim 4 ng is fatal? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sokarul: Originally Posted By mgwantob: You appear to be a science denier by suggesting Fentanyl ingestion can’t possibly have anything to do with a cardiac arrest. Well I didn’t make that claim. But you claimed 11 ng could kill 3 people. Now I see you completely ignore my questions. So I will ask again, why do alive people test at 9-11 when you claim 4 ng is fatal? 3-4 ng could absolutely kill people depending on their health presentation. Supporting documents from medical examiner with DHS. See answer to Question 4: https://attorneygeneral.delaware.gov/wp-content/uploads/sites/50/2021/12/Dr.-Collins-Toxicology-Opinion.pdf |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:29:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ulster: And because of Chauvin's actions, we will never really know if your statement is true. It's just your opinion. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ulster: Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter: GF was dead man walking, he was going to die. Nothing that Chauvin did or did not do contributed to his death. And because of Chauvin's actions, we will never really know if your statement is true. It's just your opinion. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:35:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bobbitybobbity: If you're a paid provocateur, you're overpaid. If you really believe what you say, you are a wandering shred of human debris, deserving no respect or attention. Go back to the driveup window and get those fries going. He needs to go home and get his shine box. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:54:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tallahasseezz: Chauvin should have been fired at a minimum, maybe a manslaughter or negligent homicide charge. Who I really feel sorry for is the other officers who were subordinates who got caught up in this. What isn't talked about much is GF and Chauvin new each other. They both worked part time at the same night club. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tallahasseezz: Originally Posted By smarquez: I have never, ever seen cops kneel on somebody's neck or chest until they quit breathing. I've seen people dogpiled but as soon as restraints were applied everybody got off. Once a dirtbag was cuffed the cops got off. If they were suspected of an OD, we were called in. Cops should be smart enough to know there are cameras everywhere and how to save themselves. Call it optics if you want but if those cops would have been standing around counting their change when the FD showed up none of this would have made the news and they would still have their jobs, homes and dental plans intact. Chauvin should have been fired at a minimum, maybe a manslaughter or negligent homicide charge. Who I really feel sorry for is the other officers who were subordinates who got caught up in this. What isn't talked about much is GF and Chauvin new each other. They both worked part time at the same night club. Charge maybe..conviction no. DC’s actions did not kill GF. Some of DC’s actions were contrary to training [after restraints applied, remove knee] |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:14:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: Sokarul]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mgwantob: 3-4 ng could absolutely kill people depending on their health presentation. Supporting documents from medical examiner with DHS. See answer to Question 4: https://attorneygeneral.delaware.gov/wp-content/uploads/sites/50/2021/12/Dr.-Collins-Toxicology-Opinion.pdf The like is someone’s testimony trying to convict someone. What about the people who test 9-11 and don’t die? The ones fully functioning? The ones with norfentanyl meaning their body has been processing fentanyl for awhile which indicates fentanyl was administered awhile ago and they didn’t OD? |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:21:35 PM EST
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George Floyd is just another lie like Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin that liberals have used to tear this country apart and force progressive measures onto us.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:43:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZNetEng: The autopsy didn't lie. Maybe you need something more than that. Why was George on the ground? Do you know? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZNetEng: Originally Posted By Ulster: Originally Posted By adam556: Absolutely not, but the behavior of Floyd and Trayvon leading up to their deaths didn't help them. If their behavior had been different they may not have died when they did. With that being true, it doesn't make Derik a good cop either. I agree, behavior matters. If Derik's behavior was different, we would know for sure whether this was an overdose. Why was George on the ground? Do you know? Derik's admission is enough for me. You know, that guilty plea agreement that Derik signed. |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 4:26:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sokarul: No, I subscribe to the science narrative. The one where fully functioning alive people test 9-11. But you say less than 4 is automatically lethal. Why do sone people test 11 and are alive? What about the high norfentanyl level which people who OD never have? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sokarul: Originally Posted By mgwantob: Most definitely, especially with his comorbidities. But I’m sure you subscribe to the Ben Crump narrative that he was a perfectly healthy young man. No, I subscribe to the science narrative. The one where fully functioning alive people test 9-11. But you say less than 4 is automatically lethal. Why do sone people test 11 and are alive? What about the high norfentanyl level which people who OD never have? Most of us are aware of your science narrative from the covid forum. |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 4:48:22 AM EST
[Last Edit: Gamma762]
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I've made an observation about George Floyd that almost no one else seems to recognize.
George Floyd was obviously high/intoxicated, and resisting arrest. When they finally got him in the back of the police car he forced his way out of the back of the car, onto the street - into traffic. If he had not been physically restrained, it's entirely possible that he would have continued to move/squirm/crawl/whatever further into the street and be struck by a passing vehicle. There was little choice but to restrain him from doing so. Originally Posted By AZNetEng: Why was George on the ground? Do you know? GF was on the ground because he forced his way out of the back of the police car out onto the street. |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 4:58:29 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ulster: We see videos every week, right here in GD, of innocent civilians getting fucked over by bad apples. It's only fair, every once in a while innocent cops get fucked by the same system. Apostle Chauvin and St. George are both in a better place now. If Chauvin is innocent, that only makes it better. |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 5:03:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ulster: Your hero's are George Zimmerman and Derik Chauvin? For real? |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 7:23:49 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FredMan: So, guilt or innocence should be applied based on optics? And not all the evidence? You’re arguing that he DESERVES the conviction because his actions made whitey in general and cops in particular look bad? Because that’s what your post is saying. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FredMan: Originally Posted By Hillbilly69: This ^ There was NO reason for Chauvin to sit there for all that time with that smirk on his face looking around smugly at the gathering crowd like he was doing. He may not have been directly responsible for the death BUT, he worked really hard at making it look like he was. My take from watching him is that he's a sadistic SOB that uses his badge as cover for his actions so I have no issues with him getting his dick slammed in the door. The optics of his idiot shit that day was the issue used to set that entire clusterfuck in motion and if he rots in jail, it'll never come close to payment in full for the trouble his actions caused for so many. My 2 cents and worth exactly what you paid for it.  So, guilt or innocence should be applied based on optics? And not all the evidence? You’re arguing that he DESERVES the conviction because his actions made whitey in general and cops in particular look bad? Because that’s what your post is saying. Yes, ALL the evidence. I'm saying that his tactics were CRIMINALLY over the top, his attitude and facial expressions were those of a sadist and at the least, he bears some responsibility if not for the actual death, for the events that followed and for the second and third order effects of his actions. And due to the severity of those repercussions and because his actions were willful, yes, he belongs in jail. |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 7:58:50 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hillbilly69: Yes, ALL the evidence. I'm saying that his tactics were CRIMINALLY over the top, his attitude and facial expressions were those of a sadist and at the least, he bears some responsibility if not for the actual death, for the events that followed and for the second and third order effects of his actions. And due to the severity of those repercussions and because his actions were willful, yes, he belongs in jail. Responsible for the riots and burning of cities? Wow. Thats quite a stretch. What's your expertise on labeling some one a sadist from one video during a use of force incident? It amazes me how many people on arfcom are against due process. |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 9:01:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gamma762: I've made an observation about George Floyd that almost no one else seems to recognize. George Floyd was obviously high/intoxicated, and resisting arrest. When they finally got him in the back of the police car he forced his way out of the back of the car, onto the street - into traffic. If he had not been physically restrained, it's entirely possible that he would have continued to move/squirm/crawl/whatever further into the street and be struck by a passing vehicle. There was little choice but to restrain him from doing so. GF was on the ground because he forced his way out of the back of the police car out onto the street. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gamma762: I've made an observation about George Floyd that almost no one else seems to recognize. George Floyd was obviously high/intoxicated, and resisting arrest. When they finally got him in the back of the police car he forced his way out of the back of the car, onto the street - into traffic. If he had not been physically restrained, it's entirely possible that he would have continued to move/squirm/crawl/whatever further into the street and be struck by a passing vehicle. There was little choice but to restrain him from doing so. Originally Posted By AZNetEng: Why was George on the ground? Do you know? GF was on the ground because he forced his way out of the back of the police car out onto the street. That was the edited part of the video they left out for so long. That folks said it didn't matter what took place. It did matter. Should have left him in the cruiser till medics arrived. |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 9:07:12 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jodan1776: Sure as hell more so than the people on the other side of their story. Are you letting your blind hatred of cops (yes there are bad/abusive ones) color all your thinking, or are you just a flaming liberal? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jodan1776: Originally Posted By Ulster: Your hero's are George Zimmerman and Derik Chauvin? For real? Please don't confuse my lack of empathy with hatred. I hate no one, I just don't care. Derik didn't care, even when told his suspect had no pulse. Why would I care about what happens to him? Your statement "Sure as hell more so than the people on the other side of their story.", is telling. Just because one side is wrong, it doesn't automatically make the other side right. In this case, both George and Derik are bad. Society is better off without them. George won't commit anymore crimes, and Derik won't be a bad cop anymore. Problem solved. 
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Posted: 11/21/2023 9:14:31 AM EST
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Well, at least we got this positive outcome from it.
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Posted: 11/21/2023 9:25:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bama-Shooter: This is one of the most fucked up attitudes ever displayed. You should seek help. All that hate is going to destroy your soul. Sometimes the truth hurts. |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 9:32:20 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gamma762: I've made an observation about George Floyd that almost no one else seems to recognize. George Floyd was obviously high/intoxicated, and resisting arrest. When they finally got him in the back of the police car he forced his way out of the back of the car, onto the street - into traffic. If he had not been physically restrained, it's entirely possible that he would have continued to move/squirm/crawl/whatever further into the street and be struck by a passing vehicle. There was little choice but to restrain him from doing so. GF was on the ground because he forced his way out of the back of the police car out onto the street. |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 10:22:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ulster: Please don't confuse my lack of empathy with hatred. I hate no one, I just don't care. Derik didn't care, even when told his suspect had no pulse. Why would I care about what happens to him? Your statement "Sure as hell more so than the people on the other side of their story.", is telling. Just because one side is wrong, it doesn't automatically make the other side right. In this case, both George and Derik are bad. Society is better off without them. George won't commit anymore crimes, and Derik won't be a bad cop anymore. Problem solved. 
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Posted: 11/21/2023 10:26:20 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EamonnWright: You're so well-informed, maybe you could at least correctly spell the guy's name. It's not tough. Derek. It's fairly common. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EamonnWright: Originally Posted By Ulster: Please don't confuse my lack of empathy with hatred. I hate no one, I just don't care. Derik didn't care, even when told his suspect had no pulse. Why would I care about what happens to him? Your statement "Sure as hell more so than the people on the other side of their story.", is telling. Just because one side is wrong, it doesn't automatically make the other side right. In this case, both George and Derik are bad. Society is better off without them. George won't commit anymore crimes, and Derik won't be a bad cop anymore. Problem solved. Sorry.... You are correct, it's Derek, and I've been spelling it wrong. Thank you for pointing this out. 
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Posted: 11/21/2023 10:40:52 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hillbilly69: Yes, ALL the evidence. I'm saying that his tactics were CRIMINALLY over the top, his attitude and facial expressions were those of a sadist and at the least, he bears some responsibility if not for the actual death, for the events that followed and for the second and third order effects of his actions. And due to the severity of those repercussions and because his actions were willful, yes, he belongs in jail. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hillbilly69: Originally Posted By FredMan: Originally Posted By Hillbilly69: This ^ There was NO reason for Chauvin to sit there for all that time with that smirk on his face looking around smugly at the gathering crowd like he was doing. He may not have been directly responsible for the death BUT, he worked really hard at making it look like he was. My take from watching him is that he's a sadistic SOB that uses his badge as cover for his actions so I have no issues with him getting his dick slammed in the door. The optics of his idiot shit that day was the issue used to set that entire clusterfuck in motion and if he rots in jail, it'll never come close to payment in full for the trouble his actions caused for so many. My 2 cents and worth exactly what you paid for it. So, guilt or innocence should be applied based on optics? And not all the evidence? You’re arguing that he DESERVES the conviction because his actions made whitey in general and cops in particular look bad? Because that’s what your post is saying. Yes, ALL the evidence. I'm saying that his tactics were CRIMINALLY over the top, his attitude and facial expressions were those of a sadist and at the least, he bears some responsibility if not for the actual death, for the events that followed and for the second and third order effects of his actions. And due to the severity of those repercussions and because his actions were willful, yes, he belongs in jail. for what exactly? what criminal charge? |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 10:48:04 AM EST
[Last Edit: dirtyboy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Urbdok: I think people who are heavy addicts can function with levels of drugs in their system that would incapacitate or kill someone who isn't a heavy user. Any links to percentage to survive those levels? The left sure has great heroes. Wonder how many statues and monuments St. George has? |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 10:59:19 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SperlingPE: for what exactly? what criminal charge? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SperlingPE: Originally Posted By Hillbilly69: Originally Posted By FredMan: Originally Posted By Hillbilly69: This ^ There was NO reason for Chauvin to sit there for all that time with that smirk on his face looking around smugly at the gathering crowd like he was doing. He may not have been directly responsible for the death BUT, he worked really hard at making it look like he was. My take from watching him is that he's a sadistic SOB that uses his badge as cover for his actions so I have no issues with him getting his dick slammed in the door. The optics of his idiot shit that day was the issue used to set that entire clusterfuck in motion and if he rots in jail, it'll never come close to payment in full for the trouble his actions caused for so many. My 2 cents and worth exactly what you paid for it. So, guilt or innocence should be applied based on optics? And not all the evidence? You’re arguing that he DESERVES the conviction because his actions made whitey in general and cops in particular look bad? Because that’s what your post is saying. Yes, ALL the evidence. I'm saying that his tactics were CRIMINALLY over the top, his attitude and facial expressions were those of a sadist and at the least, he bears some responsibility if not for the actual death, for the events that followed and for the second and third order effects of his actions. And due to the severity of those repercussions and because his actions were willful, yes, he belongs in jail. for what exactly? what criminal charge? Criminally smirking at the feels fueled mob . I recall that Cincinnati kid who was persecuted in the media ... |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 11:02:06 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dirtyboy: Any links to percentage to survive those levels? The left sure has great heroes. Wonder how many statues and monuments St. George has? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dirtyboy: Originally Posted By Urbdok: I think people who are heavy addicts can function with levels of drugs in their system that would incapacitate or kill someone who isn't a heavy user. Any links to percentage to survive those levels? The left sure has great heroes. Wonder how many statues and monuments St. George has? I'm sure drug tolerance doesn't enhance any cardiac issues or 75% blocked arteries . GF should have sought clearance by an MD before engaging in any physical exertion. |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 11:04:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SperlingPE: for what exactly? what criminal charge? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SperlingPE: Originally Posted By Hillbilly69: Originally Posted By FredMan: Originally Posted By Hillbilly69: This ^ There was NO reason for Chauvin to sit there for all that time with that smirk on his face looking around smugly at the gathering crowd like he was doing. He may not have been directly responsible for the death BUT, he worked really hard at making it look like he was. My take from watching him is that he's a sadistic SOB that uses his badge as cover for his actions so I have no issues with him getting his dick slammed in the door. The optics of his idiot shit that day was the issue used to set that entire clusterfuck in motion and if he rots in jail, it'll never come close to payment in full for the trouble his actions caused for so many. My 2 cents and worth exactly what you paid for it. So, guilt or innocence should be applied based on optics? And not all the evidence? You’re arguing that he DESERVES the conviction because his actions made whitey in general and cops in particular look bad? Because that’s what your post is saying. Yes, ALL the evidence. I'm saying that his tactics were CRIMINALLY over the top, his attitude and facial expressions were those of a sadist and at the least, he bears some responsibility if not for the actual death, for the events that followed and for the second and third order effects of his actions. And due to the severity of those repercussions and because his actions were willful, yes, he belongs in jail. for what exactly? what criminal charge? Chauvin pled guilty to two federal civil rights violations, one of which led to the tragic loss of George Floyd’s life. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-minneapolis-police-officer-derek-chauvin-pleads-guilty-federal-court-depriving-george |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 11:08:34 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dirtyboy: Any links to percentage to survive those levels? The left sure has great heroes. Wonder how many statues and monuments St. George has? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dirtyboy: Originally Posted By Urbdok: I think people who are heavy addicts can function with levels of drugs in their system that would incapacitate or kill someone who isn't a heavy user. Any links to percentage to survive those levels? The left sure has great heroes. Wonder how many statues and monuments St. George has? There's no use in arguing with the gentle George apologists. In their minds, they believe he possessed a god-like invulnerability to opiates, especially Fentanyl. They believe the only thing capable of killing him on planet earth was a white cop. CNN told them so. |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 11:11:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tug153: Responsible for the riots and burning of cities? Wow. Thats quite a stretch. What's your expertise on labeling some one a sadist from one video during a use of force incident? It amazes me how many people on arfcom are against due process. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tug153: Originally Posted By Hillbilly69: Yes, ALL the evidence. I'm saying that his tactics were CRIMINALLY over the top, his attitude and facial expressions were those of a sadist and at the least, he bears some responsibility if not for the actual death, for the events that followed and for the second and third order effects of his actions. And due to the severity of those repercussions and because his actions were willful, yes, he belongs in jail. Responsible for the riots and burning of cities? Wow. Thats quite a stretch. What's your expertise on labeling some one a sadist from one video during a use of force incident? It amazes me how many people on arfcom are against due process. He was the face of that clusterfuck and that incident lit the fire that turned into the summer of "mostly" peaceful protests. I have 2 eyes and they both "mostly" work. I'm all about some due process and cops are RARELY deprived of it. |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 11:14:38 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mgwantob: There's no use in arguing with the gentle George apologists. In their minds, they believe he possessed a god-like invulnerability to opiates, especially Fentanyl. They believe the only thing capable of killing him on planet earth was a white cop. CNN told them so. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mgwantob: Originally Posted By dirtyboy: Originally Posted By Urbdok: I think people who are heavy addicts can function with levels of drugs in their system that would incapacitate or kill someone who isn't a heavy user. Any links to percentage to survive those levels? The left sure has great heroes. Wonder how many statues and monuments St. George has? There's no use in arguing with the gentle George apologists. In their minds, they believe he possessed a god-like invulnerability to opiates, especially Fentanyl. They believe the only thing capable of killing him on planet earth was a white cop. CNN told them so. Did you know it acceptable to be critical to both sides of a story? |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 11:15:44 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SperlingPE: for what exactly? what criminal charge? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SperlingPE: Originally Posted By Hillbilly69: Originally Posted By FredMan: Originally Posted By Hillbilly69: This ^ There was NO reason for Chauvin to sit there for all that time with that smirk on his face looking around smugly at the gathering crowd like he was doing. He may not have been directly responsible for the death BUT, he worked really hard at making it look like he was. My take from watching him is that he's a sadistic SOB that uses his badge as cover for his actions so I have no issues with him getting his dick slammed in the door. The optics of his idiot shit that day was the issue used to set that entire clusterfuck in motion and if he rots in jail, it'll never come close to payment in full for the trouble his actions caused for so many. My 2 cents and worth exactly what you paid for it. So, guilt or innocence should be applied based on optics? And not all the evidence? You’re arguing that he DESERVES the conviction because his actions made whitey in general and cops in particular look bad? Because that’s what your post is saying. Yes, ALL the evidence. I'm saying that his tactics were CRIMINALLY over the top, his attitude and facial expressions were those of a sadist and at the least, he bears some responsibility if not for the actual death, for the events that followed and for the second and third order effects of his actions. And due to the severity of those repercussions and because his actions were willful, yes, he belongs in jail. for what exactly? what criminal charge? I'm a Hillbilly not a persecutor but I'm sure there's an up and coming one that could come up with several. I mean Hell, how many felonies is T$ charged with? |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 11:21:16 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ulster: Did you know it acceptable to be critical to both sides of a story? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ulster: Originally Posted By mgwantob: Originally Posted By dirtyboy: Originally Posted By Urbdok: I think people who are heavy addicts can function with levels of drugs in their system that would incapacitate or kill someone who isn't a heavy user. Any links to percentage to survive those levels? The left sure has great heroes. Wonder how many statues and monuments St. George has? There's no use in arguing with the gentle George apologists. In their minds, they believe he possessed a god-like invulnerability to opiates, especially Fentanyl. They believe the only thing capable of killing him on planet earth was a white cop. CNN told them so. Did you know it acceptable to be critical to both sides of a story? Can you admit that George Floyd intentionally ate a fatal dosing of Fentanyl? Can you admit that George Floyd intentionally and repeatedly resisted arrest? Can you admit that George Floyd intentionally used counterfeit currency, leading to police being called on him? |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 11:23:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mgwantob: Can you admit that George Floyd intentionally ate a fatal dosing of Fentanyl? Can you admit that George Floyd intentionally and repeatedly resisted arrest? Can you admit that George Floyd intentionally used counterfeit currency, leading to police being called on him? of course...yes. Except for the fatal part, I guess. We will never know for sure. eta: and also the money. How many counterfeit bills have you had? How would you even know? |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 11:29:23 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gamma762: I've made an observation about George Floyd that almost no one else seems to recognize. George Floyd was obviously high/intoxicated, and resisting arrest. When they finally got him in the back of the police car he forced his way out of the back of the car, onto the street - into traffic. If he had not been physically restrained, it's entirely possible that he would have continued to move/squirm/crawl/whatever further into the street and be struck by a passing vehicle. There was little choice but to restrain him from doing so. GF was on the ground because he forced his way out of the back of the police car out onto the street. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gamma762: I've made an observation about George Floyd that almost no one else seems to recognize. George Floyd was obviously high/intoxicated, and resisting arrest. When they finally got him in the back of the police car he forced his way out of the back of the car, onto the street - into traffic. If he had not been physically restrained, it's entirely possible that he would have continued to move/squirm/crawl/whatever further into the street and be struck by a passing vehicle. There was little choice but to restrain him from doing so. Originally Posted By AZNetEng: Why was George on the ground? Do you know? GF was on the ground because he forced his way out of the back of the police car out onto the street. Having fought someone in cuffs who was trying to crawl out of the cruiser and into a major highway...yeah. Guy was high on crack, and refused to leave a fast food joint. Thought he was armed, though he wasn't. Me and another guy were able to cuff him by ourselves, but then in the backseat of my cruiser he started to try to headbutt and kick out the windows. We tried to get the hobble on, but literally sitting on his legs, I wasn't able to exert enough control to stop him from bucking me off. The backseat of a cruiser is a really tough place to fight someone inside of. It took 4 of us to pull him out of the car, put the hobble on and get him back in. Halfway to jail he started doing it again, so we stopped. He immediately was able to worm partially out, OC was deployed and did jack shit except contaminate us, and it ultimately took 5 cops to get him back into the car. On arrival at the jail, he lunged and severely bit a detention deputy, and wound up restrained in the Chair for 12+ hours. I'll never forget the feeling of helplessness as the guy was wriggling his way out of the car trying to get into the lane of traffic right behind us. Cars were going by at 60 mph about 2-3 feet away, and dude was screaming his head off trying to get into their way. It's an experience that most people have never had, and until you've been there it's hard to understand what it can mean. |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 11:43:42 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ulster: of course...yes. Except for the fatal part, I guess. We will never know for sure. eta: and also the money. How many counterfeit bills have you had? How would you even know? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ulster: Originally Posted By mgwantob: Can you admit that George Floyd intentionally ate a fatal dosing of Fentanyl? Can you admit that George Floyd intentionally and repeatedly resisted arrest? Can you admit that George Floyd intentionally used counterfeit currency, leading to police being called on him? of course...yes. Except for the fatal part, I guess. We will never know for sure. eta: and also the money. How many counterfeit bills have you had? How would you even know? There its is! I knew you'd edit the Fentanyl part and walk it back. So predictable 
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Posted: 11/21/2023 12:15:16 PM EST
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Originally Posted By dirtyboy: Originally Posted By Urbdok: I think people who are heavy addicts can function with levels of drugs in their system that would incapacitate or kill someone who isn't a heavy user. Any links to percentage to survive those levels? The left sure has great heroes. Wonder how many statues and monuments St. George has? I don't find any major distinctions between those who idolize Floyd and those who idolize Chauvin. Both "sides" want total control with the only difference being the desire for their team to do the controlling. Further up the page. Originally Posted By Urbdok: In a perfect world probably none of them would have been there. Floyd(and his crew)should have got his ticket punched by the female victim of their home invasion and assault Chauvin should have been been gone over the tax fraud. Lane(the one who tried to stop it) had a record. https://www.insider.com/fired-minneapolis-police-officer-thomas-lane-had-criminal-record-2020-6 Thao had at least 1 payout for use of force. Kueng? Who knows considering the rest. |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 12:23:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gamma762: I've made an observation about George Floyd that almost no one else seems to recognize. George Floyd was obviously high/intoxicated, and resisting arrest. When they finally got him in the back of the police car he forced his way out of the back of the car, onto the street - into traffic. If he had not been physically restrained, it's entirely possible that he would have continued to move/squirm/crawl/whatever further into the street and be struck by a passing vehicle. There was little choice but to restrain him from doing so. GF was on the ground because he forced his way out of the back of the police car out onto the street. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gamma762: I've made an observation about George Floyd that almost no one else seems to recognize. George Floyd was obviously high/intoxicated, and resisting arrest. When they finally got him in the back of the police car he forced his way out of the back of the car, onto the street - into traffic. If he had not been physically restrained, it's entirely possible that he would have continued to move/squirm/crawl/whatever further into the street and be struck by a passing vehicle. There was little choice but to restrain him from doing so. Originally Posted By AZNetEng: Why was George on the ground? Do you know? GF was on the ground because he forced his way out of the back of the police car out onto the street. He indicated he was recovering from covid as the reason he didn't want to be stuck in the back while they did their thing. Knowing he was healthy and that was all a lie, they crammed him in anyway instead of administering first aid. He got out. Knowing he was healthy and difficulty breathing was all a lie, Chauvin got him in a position that has caused death instead of administering first aid. Simultaneously, there are those details combined with claims he was gonna die anyway so the convicted should have been free to engage in actions that have resulted in death without any consequences. |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 12:26:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mgwantob: There its is! I knew you'd edit the Fentanyl part and walk it back. So predictable Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mgwantob: Originally Posted By Ulster: Originally Posted By mgwantob: Can you admit that George Floyd intentionally ate a fatal dosing of Fentanyl? Can you admit that George Floyd intentionally and repeatedly resisted arrest? Can you admit that George Floyd intentionally used counterfeit currency, leading to police being called on him? of course...yes. Except for the fatal part, I guess. We will never know for sure. eta: and also the money. How many counterfeit bills have you had? How would you even know? There its is! I knew you'd edit the Fentanyl part and walk it back. So predictable Except he responded to your Fentanyl query, he just didn't give the yes/no response to the question that you asked in a similar format to the age old "are you still beating your wife" question. |
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