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Posted: 10/1/2014 8:08:28 PM EST
FOing on my first rifle class tomorrow. What to bring beside rifle, spare BCG, and ammo?
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 8:12:00 PM EST
Eyes & ears?
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 8:13:29 PM EST
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Originally Posted By COASTIE_E4:
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That shit's for newbs.

Link Posted: 10/1/2014 8:13:35 PM EST
cleaning supplies, lube, broken shell extractor, knife, gloves, at least a gallon of water(that should be gone by the end of the day), protein/energy snacks(i like the kirkland brand trailmix from costco)
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 8:13:37 PM EST
It's tomorrow and your asking this now?
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 8:14:01 PM EST
A cooler with cold water is nice if it is outside.
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 8:14:39 PM EST
Tier 1 camo sweatbands
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 8:16:37 PM EST
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FUCK how did I forget this?

Brands?
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 8:17:23 PM EST
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Originally Posted By CastorTroy:
cleaning supplies, lube, broken shell extractor, knife, gloves, at least a gallon of water(that should be gone by the end of the day), protein/energy snacks(i like the kirkland brand trailmix from costco)
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This is good advice.

A protein bar, some trail mix, lots of water, knee pads and elbow pads, ammo, mags, eye pro, ear pro, and an open mind. Don't offer advice to anyone, just listen and learn.

Take a field repair kit with you. An extra bolt and charging handle isn't a bad idea. Keep a small bottle of your gun oil of choice in your pocket, and apply a couple drops to the bolt and carrier every few hundred rounds to keep your gun running well.
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 8:17:40 PM EST
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Scheduled it today.

Tactical operators have to b ready at a moment's notice, duh.
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 8:20:48 PM EST
I like to have a couple spoons and my ammo on strippers if possible.

Gives you a couple of extra minutes to relax and get a drink while everyone
else is feverishly stuffing ammo into mags one at a time.
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This is good advice.

A protein bar, some trail mix, lots of water, knee pads and elbow pads, ammo, mags, eye pro, ear pro, and an open mind. Don't offer advice to anyone, just listen and learn.

Take a field repair kit with you. An extra bolt and charging handle isn't a bad idea. Keep a small bottle of your gun oil of choice in your pocket, and apply a couple drops to the bolt and carrier every few hundred rounds to keep your gun running well.
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Originally Posted By CastorTroy:
cleaning supplies, lube, broken shell extractor, knife, gloves, at least a gallon of water(that should be gone by the end of the day), protein/energy snacks(i like the kirkland brand trailmix from costco)


This is good advice.

A protein bar, some trail mix, lots of water, knee pads and elbow pads, ammo, mags, eye pro, ear pro, and an open mind. Don't offer advice to anyone, just listen and learn.

Take a field repair kit with you. An extra bolt and charging handle isn't a bad idea. Keep a small bottle of your gun oil of choice in your pocket, and apply a couple drops to the bolt and carrier every few hundred rounds to keep your gun running well.
All good advice as well.

Personally, I take take the estimated round count for the class, and load that many magazines up. Then I bring an extra 10 loaded mags on top of that. I find it very nice to be able to relax/drink water/bs with the instructors while everyone else is scrambling to reload the 4 magazines they brought with them.
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 8:25:47 PM EST
Remember, if you bring gum, bring enough for the whole class.
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 8:26:43 PM EST
Lube the gun.
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 8:30:03 PM EST
Mark your mags. Weather it be tape or whatever. Always someone trying to snatch them.
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 8:30:15 PM EST
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Originally Posted By FlatDarkEarf:


Scheduled it today.

Tactical operators have to b ready at a moment's notice, duh.
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Originally Posted By rubin:
It's tomorrow and your asking this now?


Scheduled it today.

Tactical operators have to b ready at a moment's notice, duh.


Ok. Eye pro with dark and clear lenses, snacks, rain gear, change of socks, bug spray, hat, extra batteries for gadgets.
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 8:33:50 PM EST
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What class? Where is it at?

Take a tool to adjust your optic... Or just bash a piece of brass flat... Screw driver is classier than using two rocks as a hammer and anvil though.

A dump pouch or cargo pants can be helpful.

Sun screen, snacks, WATER.

Bring a note pad or something to jot down notes about your setup that you need to change ... Here is mine from a class awhile ago -

Unfuck sling
Fix selector
Locktite screws
Fuck tacos (reholstering Mags in taco punches suck)
Fix trigger guard gap

Things like that, you learn real quick what is not working for you in a class, you need to remember what those things are though, write them down.

Link Posted: 10/1/2014 8:36:48 PM EST
Lube the gun!!!

Load all the mags you have before you go. (I hate waiting on a tard to load his 2 mags over and over)

Also put all your ammo loose in an ammo can, don't waste time fucking with boxes.

If you have knee and elbow pads they are awesome and will save your knees etc...

take a multitool.

Jim
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 8:37:44 PM EST
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Originally Posted By durabo:
What class? Where is it at?

Take a tool to adjust your optic... Or just bash a piece of brass flat... Screw driver is classier than using two rocks as a hammer and anvil though.

A dump pouch or cargo pants can be helpful.

Sun screen, snacks, WATER.

Bring a note pad or something to jot down notes about your setup that you need to change ... Here is mine from a class awhile ago -

Unfuck sling
Fix selector
Locktite screws
Fuck tacos (reholstering Mags in taco punches suck)
Fix trigger guard gap

Things like that, you learn real quick what is not working for you in a class, you need to remember what those things are though, write them down.

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Class is one on one. Well known instructor.

Optic is EoTech, easy to adjust with car key.

I am using no sling. I know GD will slay me for this, but part of the course is weapon retention - without sling.
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 8:40:37 PM EST
2 peanut butter & jelly sandwiches and 1 extra complete AR

I wanna go too
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 8:42:44 PM EST
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You have money and live near Columbus?

It's a personal class, but he can prolly do 2.
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 8:46:17 PM EST
Pepper ur angus
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 8:48:37 PM EST
Wait, your first rifle class ever has weapon retention without a sling in it?

Eeeh...

Link Posted: 10/1/2014 8:50:37 PM EST
Cleveland.

I have two classes this month, taking both my sons. I pay for their class and ammo, so I'm short on funds this week. (Did score a complete upper and EOtech this week though).

Link Posted: 10/1/2014 8:51:24 PM EST
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Originally Posted By durabo:
Wait, your first rifle class ever has weapon retention without a sling in it?

Eeeh...

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Yes. Weapon retention sans sling.

It is a good skill to have.
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 8:52:22 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Norcon:
2 peanut butter & jelly sandwiches and 1 extra complete AR

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Ditto

-sling, any instructor worth anything will require it
-proper zero
-knowledge of your offsets/holdovers
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 8:52:49 PM EST
Wet Wipes
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Originally Posted By Norcon:
Cleveland.

I have two classes this month, taking both my sons. I pay for their class and ammo, so I'm short on funds this week. (Did score a complete upper and EOtech this week though).

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If you are in cleveland you should check out waypoint shooting school. Great classes.
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 8:55:33 PM EST
I give Waypoint more money than my wife.
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 8:56:58 PM EST
Now y'all are being useful.

Instructor said he will teach retention methods sans sling.

This is a home defense course.

Should I get a sling? Or no?

Always thought it was unnecessary for HD.
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 8:57:47 PM EST

If the class is worth a shit you should have been given an equipment list.
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He did. It was over the phone and I glazed over it. My bad.
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 9:01:06 PM EST
Home defense? Hell, you'll have a toilette on sight, sweet.
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 9:01:07 PM EST
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Originally Posted By FlatDarkEarf:
Now y'all are being useful.

Instructor said he will teach retention methods sans sling.

This is a home defense course.

Should I get a sling? Or no?

Always thought it was unnecessary for HD.
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Real possibility of a hands-on encounter with a bad guy when it comes to a long gun and HD. Odds of retaining control of that gun are significantly increased with a quality sling.

White light, 2 point sling, and red dot should be on all HD carbines. IMO.
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 9:05:11 PM EST
I learned not to go with loaded mags. I figured I was ahead of the game until the instructor said 3 mags of 5, 2 mags of 3, etc. Now I just take a bunch of ammo and wait to be told what to load up. Very seldom have I needed a full mag (never?).

Tools are good. Spare batteries for optics (since you don't have an Aimpoint).

Link Posted: 10/1/2014 9:05:24 PM EST
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Originally Posted By FlatDarkEarf:
Now y'all are being useful.

Instructor said he will teach retention methods sans sling.

This is a home defense course.

Should I get a sling? Or no?

Always thought it was unnecessary for HD.
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My concern was more that your first rifle class should be able using the rifle effectively and manipulating it competently. rifle retention is pretty advanced and there is only so much you can absorb in one class, in my opinion weapon retention should be it's own class or a solid chunk of an advanced class. But hey, I take classes, I don't claim to know enough to give them.

Personally I think you should have a sling on any rifle you intend to use. You aren't "USING" your rifle at all times, what do you do if you have to pick something/someone up? What if you lose mobility in an arm and you need that good arm to do something? What if you need to transition to pistol?

A sling is used for a hell of a lot of things other than keeping your rifle away from a bad guy.
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 9:06:16 PM EST
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He did. It was over the phone and I glazed over it. My bad.
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Originally Posted By bcw107:

If the class is worth a shit you should have been given an equipment list.


He did. It was over the phone and I glazed over it. My bad.


Whoops. Call him back and ask for it again with pen and paper handy.
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Real possibility of a hands-on encounter with a bad guy when it comes to a long gun and HD. Odds of retaining control of that gun are significantly increased with a quality sling.

White light, 2 point sling, and red dot should be on all HD carbines. IMO.
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Originally Posted By whiplash10:
Originally Posted By FlatDarkEarf:
Now y'all are being useful.

Instructor said he will teach retention methods sans sling.

This is a home defense course.

Should I get a sling? Or no?

Always thought it was unnecessary for HD.



Real possibility of a hands-on encounter with a bad guy when it comes to a long gun and HD. Odds of retaining control of that gun are significantly increased with a quality sling.

White light, 2 point sling, and red dot should be on all HD carbines. IMO.


Already have light and EoTech. Looks like I'll buy a sling.

For the slower people, the instructor did not discount slings, but he offered instruction on retention methods without a useful sling.
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 9:11:56 PM EST
By noon tomorrow you'll wish you had a sling.
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Probably.

That's why I'm buying one.
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 9:24:14 PM EST
Get a sling on the gun. If you don't have one, make one. A cheapo motorcycle strap works ok. Fucking rope works better than no sling. I've seen guys after the first hour of the day with backpack straps cut off tied from their FSP and buffer tube.

Where did you get the idea that not having a sling ok? Class time is not the range. You won't have a table to set everything on after every mag. You'll need to hang the gun (with the sling on your chest), and unfuck shit, load shit, and unload shit.

Class minimum- Clean wet gun that runs. Good attitude, open mind, willing to learn. Sling. Lube. Three mags. A way to carry the three mags. Ammo. Honorable mention is- Dump pouch.

The guys that hate rifle classes the most are the ones that show up with a bad ass attitude, want to show off, and don't want to learn. And the guy that forgets his sling. A close third is they guy with no sunscreen. The guy with no sunscreen in class doesn't realize he's a fucking tactical costa lobster until the next day.
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 9:29:50 PM EST
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Originally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG:
Get a sling on the gun. If you don't have one, make one. A cheapo motorcycle strap works ok. Fucking rope works better than no sling. I've seen guys after the first hour of the day with backpack straps cut off tied from their FSP and buffer tube.

Where did you get the idea that not having a sling ok? Class time is not the range. You won't have a table to set everything on after every mag. You'll need to hang the gun (with the sling on your chest), and unfuck shit, load shit, and unload shit.

Class minimum- Clean wet gun that runs. Good attitude, open mind, willing to learn. Sling. Lube. Three mags. A way to carry the three mags. Ammo. Honorable mention is- Dump pouch.

The guys that hate rifle classes the most are the ones that show up with a bad ass attitude, want to show off, and don't want to learn. And the guy that forgets his sling. A close third is they guy with no sunscreen. The guy with no sunscreen in class doesn't realize he's a fucking tactical costa lobster until the next day.
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Very good advice.

I'm definitely getting a sling. I don't know, but always heard it wasn't necessary.

Luckily, it's a mostly covered range in Ohio. I shouldn't end up lobster-like. A'int exactly Cali weather here.
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 9:37:01 PM EST
Lots of deodorant. You don't wanna be the worst smelling fat guy there.

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Lots of deodorant. You don't wanna be the worst smelling fat guy there.


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So since I'm 6', 160 pounds, do I NOT need deodorant?
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So since I'm 6', 160 pounds, do I NOT need deodorant?
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Lots of deodorant. You don't wanna be the worst smelling fat guy there.




So since I'm 6', 160 pounds, do I NOT need deodorant?


No, you need to eat something!
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 9:49:03 PM EST
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No, you need to eat something!
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Lots of deodorant. You don't wanna be the worst smelling fat guy there.




So since I'm 6', 160 pounds, do I NOT need deodorant?


No, you need to eat something!


Nope. Eat HEALTHY. And hit the weights.
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No, you need to eat something!
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Originally Posted By FlatDarkEarf:
Originally Posted By swingset:
Lots of deodorant. You don't wanna be the worst smelling fat guy there.




So since I'm 6', 160 pounds, do I NOT need deodorant?


No, you need to eat something!


No more twinkies.
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