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Posted: 9/24/2011 10:29:43 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/24/2011 10:35:30 PM EST by Nexus-7]


What's the rail?

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Link Posted: 9/24/2011 10:34:32 PM EST
That is rather interesting.
Link Posted: 9/24/2011 10:36:17 PM EST
Looks like their safeties are on fire. Interdasting.
Link Posted: 9/24/2011 10:37:06 PM EST
Interesting they have extended mag releases. Wonder why they are on semi?
Link Posted: 9/24/2011 10:37:46 PM EST
Wouldn't they be Dutch M-16s?
Link Posted: 9/24/2011 10:37:47 PM EST
He needs a hair cut.
Link Posted: 9/24/2011 10:37:58 PM EST
DO WANT SO BAD NOW
Link Posted: 9/24/2011 10:37:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/24/2011 10:39:05 PM EST by fivepointoh]
Is that upper monorailed for the first 7" past the upper receiver?  Can't tell on the 15" laptop.  Whole lot going on w/ those rails and lots of questions in my head.
 






And no rear BUIS

 
Link Posted: 9/24/2011 10:39:09 PM EST
Seems like a standardized carbine rail with an extender to make it rifle-length. Dunno, maybe its a monolithic carbine upper with an extender? Looks kinda cool.
Link Posted: 9/24/2011 10:39:43 PM EST
Is that Tapco stock?
Link Posted: 9/24/2011 10:40:29 PM EST



Originally Posted By Colt_sporter:


Is that Tapco stock?


I think CAA...but one in the same really.

 
Link Posted: 9/24/2011 10:41:06 PM EST
Originally Posted By retgarr:
Looks like their safeties are on fire. Interdasting.


Thats the way you store them in the arms room. Clear the weapon, pull the trigger. It wont go on safe with the hammer forward.
Link Posted: 9/24/2011 10:41:32 PM EST
Just noticed this:

A2:


M4:


It looks like the A2 handguard is two sections bolted together, and the M4 is one section. Interesting.
Link Posted: 9/24/2011 10:42:48 PM EST
Originally Posted By retgarr:
Looks like their safeties are on fire. Interdasting.


Hammer down on empty chamber?
Link Posted: 9/24/2011 10:44:25 PM EST
How hard is it to get the same damn color beret?
Link Posted: 9/24/2011 10:44:52 PM EST
Originally Posted By R-32:
He needs a hair cut.


First thing I noticed.
Link Posted: 9/24/2011 10:45:00 PM EST
C8 Carbine




Link Posted: 9/24/2011 11:42:23 PM EST
they use Canadian C7/C8 rifles w/the good quality Thermold mags...
Link Posted: 9/25/2011 12:27:19 AM EST
Nothing A2 about them (A2s have solid stocks and carry handles.)  They're closer to M4s, but as someone stated, actually the C-8 or whatever the Dutch call their home built stuff.

Interesting rail though.
Link Posted: 9/25/2011 12:28:42 AM EST
So Heath Ledger died and went to Amsterdam?  Is that where the good drug addicts go?
Link Posted: 9/25/2011 1:00:11 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/25/2011 1:00:49 AM EST by novaDAK]





Originally Posted By optimus:



Nothing A2 about them (A2s have solid stocks and carry handles.)  They're closer to M4s, but as someone stated, actually the C-8 or whatever the Dutch call their home built stuff.





Interesting rail though.



The C7 and C8 are Canadian.





On a related note, I wonder why some European countries purchase these from Colt Canada instead of buying M16s and M4s from the USA. American export restrictions perhaps?





 
Link Posted: 9/25/2011 1:21:52 AM EST
Originally Posted By texas_mustang_01:
How hard is it to get the same damn color beret?


Different regiments or services I assume, thats how we do it here at least.
Link Posted: 9/25/2011 1:52:54 AM EST
Originally Posted By novaDAK:

On a related note, I wonder why some European countries purchase these from Colt Canada instead of buying M16s and M4s from the USA. American export restrictions perhaps?
 



Let's just say that you owned your own country. Would you want to deal with the ATF and the State Dept if you didn't have to? I'd buy my shit from Canada or Mexico.

Link Posted: 9/25/2011 2:01:16 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/25/2011 2:02:13 AM EST by DnPRK]
What BUIS is on "hair boy's" rifle in the 1st pic?

 
Link Posted: 9/25/2011 2:07:26 AM EST
Originally Posted By retgarr:
Looks like their safeties are on fire. Interdasting.


When drilling with a m16/m4 we usually have our weapons on fire because during inspection arms you are required to pull the trigger. I don't know if that is the reason the Dutch have their weapons on fire but that is how the Marine Corps does it.

Link Posted: 9/25/2011 2:17:49 AM EST
The Canucks came up with their own monolithic upper solution, much like the Colt 6940.  Those appear to use those uppers or something very similar, and the rifle length uppers use a carbine monolothic upper + extension.

The guy with the A4ish rifle does not have a rear BUIS.  He has an Aimpoint M4 and an Aimpoint Twist mount base on his upper.
Link Posted: 9/25/2011 3:06:21 AM EST
Originally Posted By optimus:
Nothing A2 about them (A2s have solid stocks and carry handles.)  They're closer to M4s, but as someone stated, actually the C-8 or whatever the Dutch call their home built stuff.

Interesting rail though.


Yeah.... These rifles are not A2 style what made you think that?
Link Posted: 9/25/2011 3:12:21 AM EST








I suspect them two that are standing out so well are some BIG mofos.
Originally Posted By Nexus-7:

Just noticed this:



A2:

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/4935/110qx.jpg



M4:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=164403&d=1316534238



It looks like the A2 handguard is two sections bolted together, and the M4 is one section. Interesting.




Is it just me, or are their M4 barrels not M4 cut on the exterior? Looks like a lightweight profile.
Link Posted: 9/25/2011 3:23:31 AM EST
Originally Posted By vanilla_gorilla:



I suspect them two that are standing out so well are some BIG mofos.


Originally Posted By Nexus-7:
Just noticed this:

A2:
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/4935/110qx.jpg

M4:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=164403&d=1316534238

It looks like the A2 handguard is two sections bolted together, and the M4 is one section. Interesting.


Is it just me, or are their M4 barrels not M4 cut on the exterior? Looks like a lightweight profile.


Yep no M203 for them!
Link Posted: 9/25/2011 5:07:33 AM EST
Originally Posted By Swoosh101:
Originally Posted By vanilla_gorilla:



I suspect them two that are standing out so well are some BIG mofos.


Originally Posted By Nexus-7:
Just noticed this:

A2:
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/4935/110qx.jpg

M4:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=164403&d=1316534238

It looks like the A2 handguard is two sections bolted together, and the M4 is one section. Interesting.


Is it just me, or are their M4 barrels not M4 cut on the exterior? Looks like a lightweight profile.


Yep no M203 for them!


If they are lightweight profile they do not need the M4 cut to mount the M203. The M4 cut brings the diameter of the barrel down to the same as that of a LW profile.
Link Posted: 9/25/2011 5:18:13 AM EST
more like colt canada  C7 and C8 rifles  OP
Link Posted: 9/25/2011 5:18:22 AM EST




Originally Posted By texas_mustang_01:

How hard is it to get the same damn color beret?




Wait... Seriously?
Link Posted: 9/25/2011 5:19:50 AM EST
Originally Posted By novaDAK:

Originally Posted By optimus:
Nothing A2 about them (A2s have solid stocks and carry handles.)  They're closer to M4s, but as someone stated, actually the C-8 or whatever the Dutch call their home built stuff.

Interesting rail though.

The C7 and C8 are Canadian.

On a related note, I wonder why some European countries purchase these from Colt Canada instead of buying M16s and M4s from the USA. American export restrictions perhaps?
 


Diemaco is now Colt Canada and yes, it is Colts export facility now.
Buying from Canada gives the illusion or fact that the purchaser nation is not involved in or supporting American policy.
Link Posted: 9/25/2011 5:23:29 AM EST



Originally Posted By fivepointoh:





Originally Posted By Colt_sporter:

Is that Tapco stock?


I think CAA...but one in the same really.  


I'm going to go with Tapco.

 


Link Posted: 9/25/2011 5:25:49 AM EST
CAA buttstock
Link Posted: 9/25/2011 5:33:00 AM EST



Originally Posted By vanilla_gorilla:









I suspect them two that are standing out so well are some BIG mofos.







They grow them real big in Dutchland.  Average height is higher than most other European countries, if I recall correctly.



 
Link Posted: 9/25/2011 5:38:27 AM EST
Originally Posted By wesmerc:
CAA buttstock


This.

Is it a CAA rail of some kind too?

Link Posted: 9/25/2011 5:40:17 AM EST
Originally Posted By fivepointoh:

Originally Posted By Colt_sporter:
Is that Tapco stock?

I think CAA...but one inAND the same really.  


Link Posted: 9/25/2011 5:41:30 AM EST
That's pretty cool. I giggled at the two guys who are like 7 foot.
Link Posted: 9/25/2011 6:07:38 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/25/2011 6:08:19 AM EST by The_Gooch]







Originally Posted By kteaton:
Originally Posted By texas_mustang_01:



How hard is it to get the same damn color beret?

Wait... Seriously?




I think he is referring to the four guys on the left with green berets, but they are all different shades of green.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=164404&d=1316534276
 
Link Posted: 9/25/2011 6:38:51 AM EST
Originally Posted By Postal0311:
The Canucks came up with their own monolithic upper solution, much like the Colt 6940.  Those appear to use those uppers or something very similar, and the rifle length uppers use a carbine monolothic upper + extension.


The extension looks like its plastic...hmm...

Link Posted: 9/25/2011 6:46:35 AM EST
Originally Posted By licepuppet:
Originally Posted By retgarr:
Looks like their safeties are on fire. Interdasting.


When drilling with a m16/m4 we usually have our weapons on fire because during inspection arms you are required to pull the trigger. I don't know if that is the reason the Dutch have their weapons on fire but that is how the Marine Corps does it.



And it's kind of hard to put it on safe if the hammer is down.
Link Posted: 9/25/2011 6:52:36 AM EST
Originally Posted By MP0117:
Originally Posted By wesmerc:
CAA buttstock


This.

Is it a CAA rail of some kind too?



All the plastic stuff is the exact same shade of Tan, so it is prolly from the same manufacturer.

Link Posted: 9/25/2011 6:59:23 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/25/2011 8:04:15 AM EST by ObsoleteMan]


What's with the bump on Val Kilmer's sleeve?! A pressure valve?
Link Posted: 9/25/2011 7:04:02 AM EST
Originally Posted By texas_mustang_01:
How hard is it to get the same damn color beret?


we do the same thing
Link Posted: 9/25/2011 7:25:17 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/25/2011 7:26:29 AM EST by cavscouty]
Originally Posted By GiggleSmith:

Originally Posted By fivepointoh:

Originally Posted By Colt_sporter:
Is that Tapco stock?

I think CAA...but one in the same really.  

I'm going to go with Tapco.  



And you would be wrong


Originally Posted By texas_mustang_01:
How hard is it to get the same damn color beret?

You're kind of special huh?
Link Posted: 9/25/2011 7:33:20 AM EST
An ambidextrous safety selector switch and oversized magazine release button-well thought out it would seem.  Originally, the rifles were flat-tops with standard furniture and Elcan optical sights.  There were problems with a high-rate of malfunctions for a short time after the first deliveries of the rifles were made, but I suspect that was probably a magazine-related issue that was quickly solved.  

Diemaco started selling Canadian M16s to the Netherlands back in the '90s.  Colt received royalties, so it didn't make any difference to Colt whether those rifles were made in CT or Ontario.  Like Milo5 stated so accurately above, buying from Canada seems more acceptable to the political sensitivities of European policy makers.  Diemaco (now Colt Canada) makes some parts off and on for the US production line.

IIRC, Diemaco had somewhat evolved from the now-defunct Canadian Arsenals, Ltd (which I think traced its lineage to Long Branch).  I could be wrong about that, though.  

Link Posted: 9/25/2011 8:02:36 AM EST
Sorry, can't get past second picture.
Link Posted: 9/25/2011 8:04:13 AM EST
Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
Originally Posted By novaDAK:

On a related note, I wonder why some European countries purchase these from Colt Canada instead of buying M16s and M4s from the USA. American export restrictions perhaps?
 



Let's just say that you owned your own country. Would you want to deal with the ATF and the State Dept if you didn't have to? I'd buy my shit from Canada or Mexico.



I think most people preferred the C7s over the M16A2. Sure they could ask Colt/FNH to make a C7 style rifle, but it would be easier just to ask Canada to make more of what they already mass produce.
Link Posted: 9/25/2011 8:11:55 AM EST
Originally Posted By R-32:
He needs a hair cut.


First thing I noticed.


Link Posted: 9/25/2011 8:16:30 AM EST
Originally Posted By texas_mustang_01:
How hard is it to get the same damn color beret?


the maroon guys are probably airborne.
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