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Posted: 9/30/2001 10:55:55 PM EDT
I need hard facts, preferably from government or other "official" websites proving that guns make for a safer society. Where can I find facts on numbers and percentages of crime rates in... a. ccw states vs. non-ccw states b. English/Australian crime rate c. England's murder "by gun" rate d. Child deaths from guns. I already have a small list going - figured I would query the board. THANK YOU Tate
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 11:31:44 PM EDT
If stats don't do it, try some spooky phone calls followed by stalking with a ski mask.
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 1:34:06 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 1:45:55 AM EDT
[url]http://members.home.com/guys/guns.html[/url] Give this a try. I'm not sure if this is quite what you are looking for but it may help you out. I did have a government study also but I can't seem to find the link for it. If I find it I will post it for you.
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 2:11:17 AM EDT
Here is another page that may help you out. This page is a variety of links to information from different sources including some government studies. [url]http://users.javanet.com/~haggerty/firearms.htm[/url]
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 4:36:31 AM EDT
Thank you, JR!
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 5:36:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/1/2001 5:42:42 AM EDT by LWilde]
Get a copy of Dr. John R. Lott's book, "More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun Control Laws, Second Edition. Dr. Lott is a professor of economics at Chicago University. He is a most learned and skilled statistician and writer. While most of his book is filled with dry statistics, methodology, and analyses, the conclusions are stunning, irrefutable, and amazingly common-sensical, at least to us gun owners. For data base sources, Lott used the counties within the individual states all around the country. He did a detailed analysis of crime data vs. concealed carry numbers. When his analysis was concluded...guess what? In those counties in the various states that have "must issue" laws, the rate of violent crime, even those involving the use of a weapon by the perp, were WAY down, especially when compared to those adjacent venues that forbade carry by citizens. The perfect case in point is where I live. Virginia has a "shall issue" law. Washington DC forbids handgun ownership. Anyone want to hazard a guess where the perps go to ply their trade? I mean these guys aren't the brightest of pennys but they aren't THAT dumb. While you look around for the book (Remember, liberal pinko book stores don't LIKE this book.), here is a bit of info: [url]http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/493636.html[/url] [soapbox]
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 6:15:29 AM EDT
Thanks to all - keep 'em coming..
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 4:08:04 PM EDT
National Safety Council (www.nsc.org) has some good stats on accidental deaths. Of course, firearms don't make the top 5 (which are motor vehicles, falls, poisonings, drowning and choking). As for crime, the US statisticts are posted in the Uniform Crime Report at www.fbi.gov. I believe there is also a disparity on how the US counts crimes (one crime with 3 perps = 3 crimes) and the way England counts crimes (one crime with 3 perps = 1 crime).
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 6:14:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/1/2001 6:25:03 PM EDT by shooter505]
John Lott and George Kleck have great books and articles on this subject. The NRA has a book called the 2nd amendment primmer.
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 7:35:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/1/2001 7:32:01 PM EDT by Matrix]
See: [url]http://www.gunowners.org[/url] for their 2001 Firearms Fact Sheet (GOF) [url]http://www.keepandbeararms.com[/url] for their [b]Gun Facts version 3.0[/b] You will find most, if not all, of what you seek in the Gun Facts pdf file. Look under the "Top Clicks" section on the right hand side of the page as you enter the homepage there. [url]http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/[/url] Department of Justice Stats. site. Lots of information here also, including international stats. to compare to. [;)]
Link Posted: 10/1/2001 8:35:35 PM EDT
IMHO, it isn't the statistics that work, it is common sense logic that finally gets through. Every time they spew the anti party line, make them question and back up everything. Even though it may be rusty and cobwebbed from Media Programming, get them THINKING.
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