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Posted: 1/4/2006 12:28:02 PM EDT
Looking for a 30" widescreen $1000 max...lower price the better...and ideas...clueless about 'em.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 12:29:21 PM EDT
all Iknow is to avoid plasma screens.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 12:30:51 PM EDT
If you're going to use it just for watching movies, and can get your room nice and dark ... buy one of these:

store.infocus.com/escalate/store/DetailPage?pls=infocus&bc=infocus&pc=SP-4805-RE&tab=desc&clist=01ae803206ee:01ae8032113a&ret=Refurbished+Home+Projectors-3&pls5catname=Refurbished+Home+Projectors-3


Around $800 for a projector and a 76" screen.

General

Aspect Ratio: 4:3, 16:9 (native)
Brightness:
# 750 max video optimized ANSI lumens - high power
# 600 max video optimized ANSI lumens - normal power
Contrast Ratio: 2000:1 full on/full off
Data Compatibility: VGA, SVGA, XGA (PC and Mac)
Display: DLP by Texas Instruments: DarkChip2T 480p 12? DDR DMD
Color Wheel: Proprietary, 6-segment color wheel, (6500K color temperature), D65 color calibration
Projection Distance: 5 ft to Infinity (1.5m - Infinity)
Zoom ratio: 1.2:1
Throw ratio: 1.77 - 2.13:1 (distance/width)
Light Source: 160 / 200W SHP - 3,000 hours
Native Resolution: WVGA (854x480)
Projection Methods: Front, rear, and ceiling
Digital Keystone Correction: +/- 20 degrees (vertical)
Video Compatibility: SDTV: NTSC, PAL, SECAM, 480i/576i
EDTV: 480p, 576p
HDTV: 720p, 1080i (HDCP)
H-Sync Range: 31.5 - 80 kHz
V-Sync Range: 50 ·85 Hz (85Hz at XGA only)

Size

Dimensions: 9.8" (W) x 12.9" (L) x 4.2" (H) / 24.9cm x 32.7cm x 10.6cm
Weight: 7.8 lbs / 3.5 kg

Input

Control: Projector keypad, IR remote control
Input Sources:
1 - M1-DA (analog or digital computer and video)
1 - Component RCA (Video)
1 - S-Video 4-pin mini DIN (Video)
1 - Composite (Video)
1 - Audio (stereo RCA for computer and video)

Output

Audio: 2.5 Watt mono speaker
Number of Colors: 16.7 million
Outputs: 3.5mm Stereo Audio (variable), 12V trigger for electric screens

Other
Operating Temperature: 5°-35° C at sea level (0-10,000ft; 50°-95° F)
Power Consumption: 350 Watt (typical); 360 Watt (maximum)
Power Supply: 100, 240V at 50, 60 Hz, auto switching
Ships Standard with:
# Quick Start Card
# User Manual
# Lens cap
# Home Entertainment (Director) Remote Control (batteries included)
# M1 to VGA/USB-A cable
# Composite audio/video cable
# S-video cable
Menu Languages: English, Spanish, French, German, Japanese, Korean, Portuguese, Italian, Norwegian, Russian, Simplified Chinese, Traditional Chinese
Approvals: UL, c-Ul,TUV GS, GOST, C-Tick, NOM, IRAM, FCC B, CISPR22/EN55022, EN 55024/CISPR 24, CB certified according to IEC60950/EN60950; 1997, P(SE), MIC

Warranty
Projector: 90 Days
Remote: 90 Days
Cables and adapters: 90 Days
Lamp: 90 Days
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 12:32:00 PM EDT
DLP is the way to go.

AVOID EDTV.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 12:32:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:
If you're going to use it just for watching movies, and can get your room nice and dark ... buy one of these:

store.infocus.com/escalate/store/DetailPage?pls=infocus&bc=infocus&pc=SP-4805-RE&tab=desc&clist=01ae803206ee:01ae8032113a&ret=Refurbished+Home+Projectors-3&pls5catname=Refurbished+Home+Projectors-3


Around $800 for a projector and a 76" screen.

General

Aspect Ratio: 4:3, 16:9 (native)
Brightness:
# 750 max video optimized ANSI lumens - high power
# 600 max video optimized ANSI lumens - normal power
Contrast Ratio: 2000:1 full on/full off
Data Compatibility: VGA, SVGA, XGA (PC and Mac)
Display: DLP by Texas Instruments: DarkChip2T 480p 12? DDR DMD
Color Wheel: Proprietary, 6-segment color wheel, (6500K color temperature), D65 color calibration
Projection Distance: 5 ft to Infinity (1.5m - Infinity)
Zoom ratio: 1.2:1
Throw ratio: 1.77 - 2.13:1 (distance/width)
Light Source: 160 / 200W SHP - 3,000 hours
Native Resolution: WVGA (854x480)
Projection Methods: Front, rear, and ceiling
Digital Keystone Correction: +/- 20 degrees (vertical)
Video Compatibility: SDTV: NTSC, PAL, SECAM, 480i/576i
EDTV: 480p, 576p
HDTV: 720p, 1080i (HDCP)
H-Sync Range: 31.5 - 80 kHz
V-Sync Range: 50 ·85 Hz (85Hz at XGA only)

Size

Dimensions: 9.8" (W) x 12.9" (L) x 4.2" (H) / 24.9cm x 32.7cm x 10.6cm
Weight: 7.8 lbs / 3.5 kg

Input

Control: Projector keypad, IR remote control
Input Sources:
1 - M1-DA (analog or digital computer and video)
1 - Component RCA (Video)
1 - S-Video 4-pin mini DIN (Video)
1 - Composite (Video)
1 - Audio (stereo RCA for computer and video)

Output

Audio: 2.5 Watt mono speaker
Number of Colors: 16.7 million
Outputs: 3.5mm Stereo Audio (variable), 12V trigger for electric screens

Other
Operating Temperature: 5°-35° C at sea level (0-10,000ft; 50°-95° F)
Power Consumption: 350 Watt (typical); 360 Watt (maximum)
Power Supply: 100, 240V at 50, 60 Hz, auto switching
Ships Standard with:
# Quick Start Card
# User Manual
# Lens cap
# Home Entertainment (Director) Remote Control (batteries included)
# M1 to VGA/USB-A cable
# Composite audio/video cable
# S-video cable
Menu Languages: English, Spanish, French, German, Japanese, Korean, Portuguese, Italian, Norwegian, Russian, Simplified Chinese, Traditional Chinese
Approvals: UL, c-Ul,TUV GS, GOST, C-Tick, NOM, IRAM, FCC B, CISPR22/EN55022, EN 55024/CISPR 24, CB certified according to IEC60950/EN60950; 1997, P(SE), MIC

Warranty
Projector: 90 Days
Remote: 90 Days
Cables and adapters: 90 Days
Lamp: 90 Days



The native resolution for that projector is nowhere near HDTV resolutions.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 12:33:22 PM EDT
I've had my eye lately on the Samsung HDTV's

I think I saw a 27" for 450 ish.

Samsung makes apple monitors so I'm not to worried about quality of picture,

and I seriously need to get one before the PS3.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 12:34:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:
If you're going to use it just for watching movies, and can get your room nice and dark ... buy one of these:



Not to hate, but avoid infocus,

Ours have been nothing but trouble.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 12:34:42 PM EDT
I bought an Advent HD-ready TV from Best Buy for about $400. I've been really happy with it, though many people gave some early models bad reviews.

Are you looking for a full HD TV (that will receive a signal over the air) or an HD-ready TV (that gets it's HD signal from a cable or satellite TV box)?



Link Posted: 1/4/2006 12:35:05 PM EDT
Here is a 34" for $695 with free shipping.

Or here is a 30" for $419, also includes shipping.

You're welcome.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 12:36:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By gaspain:
DLP is the way to go.

AVOID EDTV.



'splain the diff please?

We've been casually looking for a 42" for the basement family room for about a year and want to keep it around a grand too...I nixxed the plasma he lusted after...not worth the money and it took months to convince him of that.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 12:38:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PlaymoreMinds:

Originally Posted By gaspain:
DLP is the way to go.

AVOID EDTV.



'splain the diff please?

We've been casually looking for a 42" for the basement family room for about a year and want to keep it around a grand too...I nixxed the plasma he lusted after...not worth the money and it took months to convince him of that.



no. use google.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 12:39:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/4/2006 12:42:51 PM EDT by Red_Beard]

Originally Posted By Ghostchild:

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:
If you're going to use it just for watching movies, and can get your room nice and dark ... buy one of these:



Not to hate, but avoid infocus,

Ours have been nothing but trouble.




That model has gotten great reviews on www.avsforum.com/.

See these threads:

www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=414103

www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=610478


Link Posted: 1/4/2006 12:43:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bastiat:
all Iknow is to avoid plasma screens.



you're just jealous because you can't afford one.

Link Posted: 1/4/2006 12:49:26 PM EDT
Projectors, like the InFocus, have another major drawback; The expensive bulb. The bulbs only last a few years, and cost several hundred dollars to replace.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 12:52:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By QuantumPion:

Originally Posted By bastiat:
all Iknow is to avoid plasma screens.



you're just jealous because you can't afford one.




I'm not sure I'd buy another one either. Mine got burned in images. Luckily they replaced the screen. I bought a LCD instead. Never have to worry about Burn in images ever again. Plus I can use my computer on it, watch TV, and play games.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 12:59:40 PM EDT
Fancy TVs in general don't last very long for me.

Dennis Jenkins



Originally Posted By PAEBR332:
Projectors, like the InFocus, have another major drawback; The expensive bulb. The bulbs only last a few years, and cost several hundred dollars to replace.

Link Posted: 1/4/2006 1:01:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By djenkins:
Fancy TVs in general don't last very long for me.

It's tough finding someone too who can actually fix one.

Dennis Jenkins



Originally Posted By PAEBR332:
Projectors, like the InFocus, have another major drawback; The expensive bulb. The bulbs only last a few years, and cost several hundred dollars to replace.


Link Posted: 1/4/2006 1:02:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/4/2006 1:04:46 PM EDT by lordtrader]
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 1:04:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PAEBR332:
Projectors, like the InFocus, have another major drawback; The expensive bulb. The bulbs only last a few years, and cost several hundred dollars to replace.




Bulb life is rated at around 3000 hours iirc.

If you use it just for movies that's 1000+ movies. I don't think I've seen that many in my entire life.

Link Posted: 1/4/2006 1:08:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:

Originally Posted By PAEBR332:
Projectors, like the InFocus, have another major drawback; The expensive bulb. The bulbs only last a few years, and cost several hundred dollars to replace.




Bulb life is rated at around 3000 hours iirc.

If you use it just for movies that's 1000+ movies. I don't think I've seen that many in my entire life.




We went through three bulbs in three years with the one at church.

Most DLP bulb only last about 1000 hours. If you watch 3 hours of TV per day, that is less than one year. The bulb costs about $400 to replace.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 1:10:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By metalsaber:

Originally Posted By QuantumPion:

Originally Posted By bastiat:
all Iknow is to avoid plasma screens.



you're just jealous because you can't afford one.




I'm not sure I'd buy another one either. Mine got burned in images. Luckily they replaced the screen. I bought a LCD instead. Never have to worry about Burn in images ever again. Plus I can use my computer on it, watch TV, and play games.



What brand and model was it? I'm interested in knowing because none of the major brands or models made in the last 5+ years are susceptible to burn-in, unless they are left on the same image for 24/7 for months to years.

Are you sure you aren't referring to image retention, which is a temporary effect? Or differential screen wear, where the center of the screen ages more quicly then the edges and so becomes comparitively dimmer? These are symptoms of having a plasma incorrectly set up, i.e. brightness/contrast set way too high, being abused, or viewing only one type of material such as letterboxed movies or videogames, etc.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 1:14:05 PM EDT
dont waste money on hdtv under 32 inches, the picture diference is not worth it. i had a BB ( i know they are hated ) sales man show me the difference on a high def picture on a 32 inch screen, i could barely see a diference. now a saw a 42 that was real nice, and the high def was much better than a analogue signal.

save a little more and get the sony 52 rear projection LCD with dlp, you can find it for about 1600, you just need to look.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 1:18:05 PM EDT
Interesting.

Plasmas- are they still susceptible to the gas leaking out and then, pffft?
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 1:22:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:

Originally Posted By Ghostchild:

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:
If you're going to use it just for watching movies, and can get your room nice and dark ... buy one of these:



Not to hate, but avoid infocus,

Ours have been nothing but trouble.




That model has gotten great reviews on www.avsforum.com/.

See these threads:

www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=414103

www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=610478





AVSforum... Just like Arfcom!

"I want the ultimate best AR, but I only have $200"
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 1:37:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/4/2006 1:41:14 PM EDT by heysoos]
Personally I'd get a plasma. Second choice would be an LCD. Plasmas can still get burned-in images, so that is a huge drawback, but I think the picture quality is far beyond LCD.

EDTV is "Enhanced" it's crap when you compare to an HD.

ETA: Be careful with DLP, some folks can't watch them since they can see the frames changing. it depends on your eyesight.

When I compared dlp to a plasma, or even LCD, I could see the screen 'jumping' around, that would get old quick!

$.02
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 1:37:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/4/2006 1:38:53 PM EDT by QuantumPion]

Originally Posted By macman37:
Interesting.

Plasmas- are they still susceptible to the gas leaking out and then, pffft?



Yes, but your local repair shop can re-fill the gas and re-charge the phosphors for a (large) nominal fee.

eta: for people that aren't in the know, plasmas can't lose their gas or be refilled or recharged in any way, that's an old myth/hoax.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 1:39:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By macman37:

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:

Originally Posted By Ghostchild:

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:
If you're going to use it just for watching movies, and can get your room nice and dark ... buy one of these:



Not to hate, but avoid infocus,

Ours have been nothing but trouble.




That model has gotten great reviews on www.avsforum.com/.

See these threads:

www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=414103

www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=610478





AVSforum... Just like Arfcom!

"I want the ultimate best AR, but I only have $200"



would that make that infocus projector the equivalent to an oly arms AR w/ cast reciever?
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 1:40:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By QuantumPion:

Originally Posted By macman37:
Interesting.

Plasmas- are they still susceptible to the gas leaking out and then, pffft?



Yes, but your local repair shop can re-fill the gas and re-charge the phosphors for a (large) nominal fee.

eta: for people that aren't in the know, plasmas can't lose their gas or be refilled or recharged in any way, that's an old myth/hoax.



Seriously?

LOL

I thought I read that in Consumers Reports (OK nobody give me grief, they're decent on some things)!
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 1:45:30 PM EDT
Seems I remember reading that they've gotten plasma half-lifes around 60,000 hours - which is close to 16 1/2 years of watching 10 hours of TV a day every day... I was considering LCD, but with these hours, I'll probably go with plasma.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 1:46:38 PM EDT
DLP is not the best for games. It has lagging artifacts.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 2:22:48 PM EDT
I bought a 32" LCD Magnavox HDTV for the bedroom. It's very nice. Price was $1200, a little more than you stated, but its nice. Bought it at Sears, 0% interest for 18 months.

Bill3508
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 2:38:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/4/2006 2:39:22 PM EDT by QuantumPion]
for under 32" you might as well just get a CRT, they have the best picture quality, reliability, and are reasonably priced. The only downside is the bulk.

here's a 30" sony HDTV for only $750

www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Sony-30-HDTV-Monitor-KV-30HS420-/sem/rpsm/oid/93014/catOid/-12868/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 2:43:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By QuantumPion:
for under 32" you might as well just get a CRT, they have the best picture quality, reliability, and are reasonably priced. The only downside is the bulk.

here's a 30" sony HDTV for only $750

www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Sony-30-HDTV-Monitor-KV-30HS420-/sem/rpsm/oid/93014/catOid/-12868/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do



^^ This is the right answer.

For less than $1000, sony CRTs are the way to go.

If you can go up to $1200 or so I'd get a hitachi or mitsu or toshiba CRT RPTV though, if you have room.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 2:57:20 PM EDT
We bought s Samsung last year. It is the standard type TV shape not widescreen. It is HD with a built in tuner. 27" scrren. Love it. We don't have cable but we still receive HD broadcasts with our antenna on the roof. Beautiful picture.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 3:02:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By scotty1911:
dont waste money on hdtv under 32 inches, the picture diference is not worth it. i had a BB ( i know they are hated ) sales man show me the difference on a high def picture on a 32 inch screen, i could barely see a diference. now a saw a 42 that was real nice, and the high def was much better than a analogue signal.

save a little more and get the sony 52 rear projection LCD with dlp, you can find it for about 1600, you just need to look.






Depends on how far away you are sitting form the TV. Sure if you are 20' away from a 27" TV, then it will be hard to tell the difference, but there is no doubt that the difference between HD and standard definition is loud and clear on a 27" TV if you are sittign near enough to it.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 3:04:14 PM EDT
I got a 42" LCD. The ghosting is minimal but still detectable to me, but I hate heat and the monster appetite for electicity of a plasma.
LCDs don't do black very well, they're backlit by flourescent tubes, black isn't as black on a CRT or plasma.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 3:05:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By iamblades:

Originally Posted By QuantumPion:
for under 32" you might as well just get a CRT, they have the best picture quality, reliability, and are reasonably priced. The only downside is the bulk.

here's a 30" sony HDTV for only $750

www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Sony-30-HDTV-Monitor-KV-30HS420-/sem/rpsm/oid/93014/catOid/-12868/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do



^^ This is the right answer.

For less than $1000, sony CRTs are the way to go.

If you can go up to $1200 or so I'd get a hitachi or mitsu or toshiba CRT RPTV though, if you have room.



CRTs are the way to go for any price. The picture on a good CRT puts the all the plasmas, DLPs, and LCDs to shame. The only downside is that they cap out at 34-36" and the bulk (mine weighs 180#)
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 3:07:02 PM EDT
Wal-Mart carries (carried? haven't looked in a while) a Sanyo 32" standard or 30" Widescreen (get the standard--if you play a widescreen movie, it is 30", if you get the widescreen TV and play regular TV it is 27" across). $700 This HAS a built in digital tuner--so it is true HDTV rather than HDTV Ready (needs a separate HD receiver for hi-def decoding).

They are Tube TVs--heavy, but a sharp picture.

AFARR
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 3:11:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AFARR:
Wal-Mart carries (carried? haven't looked in a while) a Sanyo 32" standard or 30" Widescreen (get the standard--if you play a widescreen movie, it is 30", if you get the widescreen TV and play regular TV it is 27" across). $700 This HAS a built in digital tuner--so it is true HDTV rather than HDTV Ready (needs a separate HD receiver for hi-def decoding).

They are Tube TVs--heavy, but a sharp picture.

AFARR



I don't recommend getting a standard (4:3) HDTV. The problem with a lot of them is that when they are displaying a 16:9 widescreen HDTV signal, they are not using roughly a third of the available scan lines. So you are not seeing a true high defintion picture.

There are some 4:3 HDTVs that when displaying a 16:9 picture, actually compress the scan lines so that the full resolution is maintained. But a budget Sanyo from Wallyworld probably does not have this feature.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 3:13:16 PM EDT

Originally Potsted By Duffy:
I got a 42" LCD. The ghosting is minimal but still detectable to me, but I hate heat and the monster appetite for electicity of a plasma.
LCDs don't do black very well, they're backlit by flourescent tubes, black isn't as black on a CRT or plasma.



DLP is the blackest black
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 3:27:30 PM EDT
LastGunslinger:

I have the Sanyo TV. I notice NO difference with either the widescreen or the standard settings on the TV--with Hi-Def cable. DVDs are the same. Doesn't seem to be any loss of sharpness and the HD image is greatly sharper than standard TV.

AFARR
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 8:58:33 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 9:34:51 PM EDT
I got a Philip's 34" widescreen HDTV from BJ's wholesale about a year and a half ago for $1089.00. It's probably cheaper now (they also had the 30" cheaper).

I would recommend going at least 34" (30" widescreen is equivalant in picture size to 27" regular screen, 34" widescreen is equivalant to 32" regular).
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 7:22:14 AM EDT
Thanks guys...learned a bunch...I'm going to cruise arount tomorrow and check out some stores.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 8:00:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gaspain:

Originally Posted By PlaymoreMinds:

Originally Posted By gaspain:
DLP is the way to go.

AVOID EDTV.



'splain the diff please?

We've been casually looking for a 42" for the basement family room for about a year and want to keep it around a grand too...I nixxed the plasma he lusted after...not worth the money and it took months to convince him of that.



no. use google.



Thanks for your helpfulness

Link Posted: 1/5/2006 8:04:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Ghostchild:
I've had my eye lately on the Samsung HDTV's

I think I saw a 27" for 450 ish.

Samsung makes apple monitors so I'm not to worried about quality of picture,

and I seriously need to get one before the PS3.



i got a 48" samsung for $900 with the stand. i am very impressed, its much better than the 56" RCA in the living room.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 8:12:43 AM EDT
I just bought a Phillips 30inch widescreen at Walmart for $668 dollars this past weekend. It has an integrated tuner, and the picutre is great!
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 8:18:51 AM EDT
www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=90133085&adid=17662

Found this. Don't know if it is any good or not.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 8:32:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By okiehunter39:
I just bought a Phillips 30inch widescreen at Walmart for $668 dollars this past weekend. It has an integrated tuner, and the picutre is great!



Was it the black or silver one? The Walmart near me has the Silver one on sale for $539 from $688 but it said the HD tuner had to be added.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 9:08:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By metalsaber:

Originally Posted By QuantumPion:

Originally Posted By bastiat:
all Iknow is to avoid plasma screens.



you're just jealous because you can't afford one.




I'm not sure I'd buy another one either. Mine got burned in images. Luckily they replaced the screen. I bought a LCD instead. Never have to worry about Burn in images ever again. Plus I can use my computer on it, watch TV, and play games.



Image burn-in is basicly a myth. Only a complete IDIOT could burn an image into a Plasma that has been made in the last few years. Early screens had issues but not anymore. Look at the Pioneer web site for more info.

I say again: "Only a complete IDIOT could burn an image into a Plasma that has been made in the last few years."

If you don't have a plasma TV in your house then it's time to step up your game.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 9:39:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By leadnbrass:

Originally Posted By okiehunter39:
I just bought a Phillips 30inch widescreen at Walmart for $668 dollars this past weekend. It has an integrated tuner, and the picutre is great!



Was it the black or silver one? The Walmart near me has the Silver one on sale for $539 from $688 but it said the HD tuner had to be added.



It was the black one, and it had a tuner. Sounds like you got it cheaper than I did.
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