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Posted: 5/24/2001 8:52:19 PM EDT
Basic argument going on is he's saying that because Colt is saying the M16 A3 is the military designated flattop model and that makes it so(also because of Janes, don't go there I've seen misprints). I'm saying that the M16 A4 is the military designated flattop and that manufacturers have gotten it wrong. Yes, I know about the Armalite FAQ and it's something I'm gonna post. I need more though, as official as possible PLEASE. I'd love it if the Naval Surface Warfare Center had pictures of an M16 A4 and maybe a R&D description run down.
Link Posted: 5/24/2001 9:03:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/24/2001 9:02:39 PM EDT by LARRYG]
The A3 in the military looks exactly the same as the A2. The difference is that the A2 is semi or three shot burst and the A3 has full a full auto setting on the selector as well as the other two. The A4 is the military flat top. I have a friend in the army who verifies this and I have read it several places. This is probably not official enough, but my 2 cents worth. All the manufacturers do have it wrong except ArmaLite.
Link Posted: 5/24/2001 9:10:52 PM EDT
Rock River Arms calls their flattops A4s as well. I just need to get it as official as possible, something like a military procurement order where the description of the A3 and A4 would be there in nitpicking detail and all it's glory. I've seen the info for the A4 out there too but it's all been written or summarized by the person who wrote the page, hardly factual.
Link Posted: 5/24/2001 11:45:38 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/24/2001 11:47:43 PM EDT
It's gonna take a lot more than what's in those links, can't say I found mention of the M16 A3 or the A4 anywhere in those links either. Thing is I can't goof around with this guy, he knows his stuff really well and that's an understatement. It's just that I've been hearing the A3/A4 debate for a few years now and I want to find some actual, laid out on the table, proof of one or the other. I actually found a spot on the web where it lists the A3 and the A4 as both being flattops with one version being a "safe,semi,burst" trigger group and the other being a "safe,semi,full" trigger group and aside from that they are identical.
Link Posted: 5/25/2001 12:11:58 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/25/2001 12:18:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/25/2001 12:16:28 AM EDT by uglygun]
Naw, the M3 is a WWII submachine gun chambered in 45ACP known as the "grease gun", yeah the M4 was replacing something that old. Atleast within the articles of that report that's what it was said to replace.
Link Posted: 5/25/2001 1:13:52 AM EDT
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