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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:51:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/26/2014 7:55:23 PM EDT by d_striker]
I'm about ready to hire some servers and cooks for a brewpub that I'm opening.















I'm creating my own job application for applicants to come fill out at our place.  I only have room for 4-5 employees to start and want to pick the ones with the best sense of logic.  
















All the ones I know seem to be played out like the tiger/goat/lettuce dilemma, three prisoners buried with different color hats, two brothers at a fork in the road, etc.























ETA- I suppose it might be a little obscure, to those who've never worked in a restaurant, of why a little common sense/logic is critical in the restaurant biz. There seems to be quite a few people in this thread that equate common sense logic to genius which is just not the case.











In the middle of a rush when a server has 8 things going on simultaneously or a line cook's printer is spewing out orders incessantly, one quickly realizes that there are two types of people in this biz. Those that are constantly prioritizing, consolidating, and expediting their workload in a logical manner and those that just drown because they do not know how to logically solve the problem that is their workload.










IMO, efficiency is the purest form of common sense.




 
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Whats 1+1=?
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Yes or no, have you stopped beating your significant other?

Do you like gladiator movies?

Have you ever seen a grown man naked?
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 4:57:35 PM EDT
you have an enclosed room.

you have a refrigerator running, with the door open.

does the room get warmer or cooler?
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If you're looking for some female servers, have her face the wall and stand next to it.

If her boobs touch the wall before her toes, she's got the job.
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If you're looking for some female servers, have her face the wall and stand next to it.



If her boobs touch the wall before her toes, she's got the job.
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What if her gut touches at the same time as her boobs?
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How many quarters tall are you?
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you have an enclosed room.



you have a refrigerator running, with the door open.



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Meh, too easy.
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 5:01:32 PM EDT
40 or 45
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Plane goes down exactly on the border of Canada and the US.  Where do you bury the survivors?
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Plane goes down exactly on the border of Canada and the US.  Where do you bury the survivors?
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Played out and too easy.
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Played out and too easy.
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Originally Posted By DukeFan23:

Plane goes down exactly on the border of Canada and the US.  Where do you bury the survivors?


 
Played out and too easy.
Also, while most of us would agree that one shouldn't bury survivors, there's no reason, from a logical standpoint, that one couldn't.



 
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"if you were serving, or cooking food on an airplane that was placed on a treadmill, will you ever serve or cook food off the ground'?
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Who is buried in General Grant's tomb?
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You walk into the pub and see this:





1) two angry male customers squaring off yelling in each other's faces about to mix it up


2) full pitcher of beer spilled on the tile floor at the front door.


3) phone is ringing at bar


4) bartender cut his hand and is bleeding
Prioritize these in the order in which you'd deal with them and state what you would do for each and why.
 
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Originally Posted By d_striker:
I'm about ready to hire some servers and cooks for a brewpub that I'm opening.

I'm creating my own job application for applicants to come fill out at our place.  I only have room for 4-5 employees to start and want to pick the ones with the best sense of logic.  

All the ones I know seem to be played out like the tiger/goat/lettuce dilemma, three prisoners buried with different color hats, two brothers at a fork in the road, etc.


 
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Da fuck?    What is this, a brewpub for Engineers?

You could give them a little logic problem related to beer or something.

"Regular A arrives every weeknight and has a pint of IPA.  Regular B comes every Friday and has three pints of stout.  Regular C attends three or four nights a week and will drink anything but stout..."

But really?  Logic for servers at a bar?  I'd think that would not be super high on the list of required skills...

etc.
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  What if her gut touches at the same time as her boobs?
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Originally Posted By PooFire:
If you're looking for some female servers, have her face the wall and stand next to it.

If her boobs touch the wall before her toes, she's got the job.

  What if her gut touches at the same time as her boobs?


Boobs must touch first.
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How many "free" drinks are you going to give to your buddies per week?
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Originally Posted By The_Macallan:




You walk into the pub and see this:



1) two angry male customers squaring off yelling in each other's faces about to mix it up

2) full pitcher of beer spilled on the tile floor at the front door.

3) phone is ringing at bar

4) bartender cut his hand and is bleeding





Prioritize these in the order in which you'd deal with them and state what you would do for each and why.



 
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What's the answer?



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Da fuck?    What is this, a brewpub for Engineers?



You could give them a little logic problem related to beer or something.



"Regular A arrives every weeknight and has a pint of IPA.  Regular B comes every Friday and has three pints of stout.  Regular C attends three or four nights a week and will drink anything but stout..."



But really?  Logic for servers at a bar?  I'd think that would not be super high on the list of required skills...



etc.

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Originally Posted By armaborealis:



Originally Posted By d_striker:

I'm about ready to hire some servers and cooks for a brewpub that I'm opening.



I'm creating my own job application for applicants to come fill out at our place.  I only have room for 4-5 employees to start and want to pick the ones with the best sense of logic.  



All the ones I know seem to be played out like the tiger/goat/lettuce dilemma, three prisoners buried with different color hats, two brothers at a fork in the road, etc.





 




Da fuck?    What is this, a brewpub for Engineers?



You could give them a little logic problem related to beer or something.



"Regular A arrives every weeknight and has a pint of IPA.  Regular B comes every Friday and has three pints of stout.  Regular C attends three or four nights a week and will drink anything but stout..."



But really?  Logic for servers at a bar?  I'd think that would not be super high on the list of required skills...



etc.





 
I can tell you've never worked in a restaurant.
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Who did you vote for?
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Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

You walk into the pub and see this:

1) two angry male customers squaring off yelling in each other's faces about to mix it up
2) full pitcher of beer spilled on the tile floor at the front door.
3) phone is ringing at bar
4) bartender cut his hand and is bleeding


Prioritize these in the order in which you'd deal with them and state what you would do for each and why.

 
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Fall on the wet floor and shoot for a sick work comp claim.
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Boobs must touch first.
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Originally Posted By d_striker:
Originally Posted By PooFire:
If you're looking for some female servers, have her face the wall and stand next to it.

If her boobs touch the wall before her toes, she's got the job.

  What if her gut touches at the same time as her boobs?


Boobs must touch first.

Ok.....
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 5:16:00 PM EDT
Don't try to reinvent the wheel on this one.  You have enough problems.  Ask a few customer service scenarios, make sure they are positive people and will be advocates and future managers as your business grows.
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Don't try to reinvent the wheel on this one.  You have enough problems.  Ask a few customer service scenarios, make sure they are positive people and will be advocates and future managers as your business grows.
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Wheel is not being reinvented.  




Customer service and processes can be taught.  Logic cannot.
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 5:19:02 PM EDT
FWIW OP, a lot of stupid people are really hard workers and loyal.



In fact, I would go so far as to say that I would not want to purposely seek out and hire intelligent people for a menial labor position as they will often get bored and fuck up





Speed
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Originally Posted By dcs12345:
Originally Posted By PooFire:
Originally Posted By d_striker:
Originally Posted By PooFire:
If you're looking for some female servers, have her face the wall and stand next to it.

If her boobs touch the wall before her toes, she's got the job.

  What if her gut touches at the same time as her boobs?


Boobs must touch first.

Ok.....
http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/507/normastitz682801550a761.jpg



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Get the game "The Incredible Machine" and watch them play.
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  Wheel is not being reinvented.  

Customer service and processes can be taught.  Logic cannot.
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Originally Posted By d_striker:
Originally Posted By NotAFudd:
Don't try to reinvent the wheel on this one.  You have enough problems.  Ask a few customer service scenarios, make sure they are positive people and will be advocates and future managers as your business grows.

  Wheel is not being reinvented.  

Customer service and processes can be taught.  Logic cannot.


Trust me you are, from a person who has helped launch a couple of successful places, as well as a few other major business ventures.  

Attitude, energy,   and willingness to learn and become better cannot be taught.  GM for our cleaning company was paid almost 200k last year and she has a ninth grade education, but an insatiable desire to make herself better and literally, you could burn her house down and she would make you think she is having the best day ever.  Asking a few common sense scenario based questions, I believe is what you are looking for.
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You want to assess their ability to solve problems and the process they follow. I work in finance, one question I was asked for my first job was "if this room was filled with quarters and you stacked them all up, how tall would the stack be?" They told me to think out loud. I was young so I wanted to say "why does that matter?"

Young an get logic based questions off the mensa practice exam. Lots of book smart there.

http://www.mensa.org/workout
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Trust me you are, from a person who has helped launch a couple of successful places, as well as a few other major business ventures.  



Attitude, energy,   and willingness to learn and become better cannot be taught.  GM for our cleaning company was paid almost 200k last year and she has a ninth grade education, but an insatiable desire to make herself better and literally, you could burn her house down and she would make you think she is having the best day ever.  Asking a few common sense scenario based questions, I believe is what you are looking for.
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Originally Posted By d_striker:


Originally Posted By NotAFudd:

Don't try to reinvent the wheel on this one.  You have enough problems.  Ask a few customer service scenarios, make sure they are positive people and will be advocates and future managers as your business grows.


  Wheel is not being reinvented.  



Customer service and processes can be taught.  Logic cannot.





Trust me you are, from a person who has helped launch a couple of successful places, as well as a few other major business ventures.  



Attitude, energy,   and willingness to learn and become better cannot be taught.  GM for our cleaning company was paid almost 200k last year and she has a ninth grade education, but an insatiable desire to make herself better and literally, you could burn her house down and she would make you think she is having the best day ever.  Asking a few common sense scenario based questions, I believe is what you are looking for.




 
I've already told you, that's not what I'm looking for.



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Originally Posted By NotAFudd:


Trust me you are, from a person who has helped launch a couple of successful places, as well as a few other major business ventures.  

Attitude, energy,   and willingness to learn and become better cannot be taught.  GM for our cleaning company was paid almost 200k last year and she has a ninth grade education, but an insatiable desire to make herself better and literally, you could burn her house down and she would make you think she is having the best day ever.  Asking a few common sense scenario based questions, I believe is what you are looking for.
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Originally Posted By NotAFudd:
Originally Posted By d_striker:
Originally Posted By NotAFudd:
Don't try to reinvent the wheel on this one.  You have enough problems.  Ask a few customer service scenarios, make sure they are positive people and will be advocates and future managers as your business grows.

  Wheel is not being reinvented.  

Customer service and processes can be taught.  Logic cannot.


Trust me you are, from a person who has helped launch a couple of successful places, as well as a few other major business ventures.  

Attitude, energy,   and willingness to learn and become better cannot be taught.  GM for our cleaning company was paid almost 200k last year and she has a ninth grade education, but an insatiable desire to make herself better and literally, you could burn her house down and she would make you think she is having the best day ever.  Asking a few common sense scenario based questions, I believe is what you are looking for.


Ding ding ding ding ding.
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How about just think up some simple, realistic scenarios that might occur at the workplace then present them as open ended questions?

That makes them actually have to think it through, and you get to see how they approach the problem rather than just provide a rote answer.
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Originally Posted By d_striker:
I'm about ready to hire some servers and cooks for a brewpub that I'm opening.

I'm creating my own job application for applicants to come fill out at our place.  I only have room for 4-5 employees to start and want to pick the ones with the best sense of logic.  

All the ones I know seem to be played out like the tiger/goat/lettuce dilemma, three prisoners buried with different color hats, two brothers at a fork in the road, etc.


 
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Can you count change without a register/calculator?

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  What if her gut touches at the same time as her boobs?
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Originally Posted By PooFire:
If you're looking for some female servers, have her face the wall and stand next to it.

If her boobs touch the wall before her toes, she's got the job.

  What if her gut touches at the same time as her boobs?


Eject and blade at 45.
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Originally Posted By d_striker:

  I've already told you, that's not what I'm looking for.

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Originally Posted By NotAFudd:
Originally Posted By d_striker:
Originally Posted By NotAFudd:
Don't try to reinvent the wheel on this one.  You have enough problems.  Ask a few customer service scenarios, make sure they are positive people and will be advocates and future managers as your business grows.

  Wheel is not being reinvented.  

Customer service and processes can be taught.  Logic cannot.


Trust me you are, from a person who has helped launch a couple of successful places, as well as a few other major business ventures.  

Attitude, energy,   and willingness to learn and become better cannot be taught.  GM for our cleaning company was paid almost 200k last year and she has a ninth grade education, but an insatiable desire to make herself better and literally, you could burn her house down and she would make you think she is having the best day ever.  Asking a few common sense scenario based questions, I believe is what you are looking for.

  I've already told you, that's not what I'm looking for.



Fuck it, I am semi retired and can do whatever I want at 31 whenever I want, just passed 310 employees, but what the fuck do I know about this stuff.
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Your hiring cooks and servers, why the big hard on for logical geniuses?
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If a soda costs 100% more than a candy bar, how many candy bars can you buy for the price of a soda?

(love to see the answers to that one..)
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Fuck it, I am semi retired and can do whatever I want at 31 whenever I want, just passed 310 employees, but what the fuck do I know about this stuff.
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Originally Posted By NotAFudd:



Originally Posted By d_striker:


Originally Posted By NotAFudd:


Originally Posted By d_striker:


Originally Posted By NotAFudd:

Don't try to reinvent the wheel on this one.  You have enough problems.  Ask a few customer service scenarios, make sure they are positive people and will be advocates and future managers as your business grows.


  Wheel is not being reinvented.  



Customer service and processes can be taught.  Logic cannot.





Trust me you are, from a person who has helped launch a couple of successful places, as well as a few other major business ventures.  



Attitude, energy,   and willingness to learn and become better cannot be taught.  GM for our cleaning company was paid almost 200k last year and she has a ninth grade education, but an insatiable desire to make herself better and literally, you could burn her house down and she would make you think she is having the best day ever.  Asking a few common sense scenario based questions, I believe is what you are looking for.


  I've already told you, that's not what I'm looking for.







Fuck it, I am semi retired and can do whatever I want at 31 whenever I want, just passed 310 employees, but what the fuck do I know about this stuff.




 
Good for you.  Seriously.



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Your hiring cooks and servers, why the big hard on for logical geniuses?
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I think that maybe subconsciously OP just likes drama and wants to staff his new venture with know-it-all smart asses who call off, disregard his orders, and tell him how he should be running his business
Above average intelligence is not a requirement for those positions...be careful what you wish for and all that.
Speed
 
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A hundred prisoners are each locked in a room with three pirates, one of whom will walk the plank in the morning. Each prisoner has 10 bottles of wine, one of which has been poisoned; and each pirate has 12 coins, one of which is counterfeit and weighs either more or less than a genuine coin. In the room is a single switch, which the prisoner may either leave as it is, or flip. Before being led into the rooms, the prisoners are all made to wear either a red hat or a blue hat; they can see all the other prisoners' hats, but not their own. Meanwhile, a six-digit prime number of monkeys multiply until their digits reverse, then all have to get across a river using a canoe that can hold at most two monkeys at a time. But half the monkeys always lie and the other half always tell the truth. Given that the Nth prisoner knows that one of the monkeys doesn't know that a pirate doesn't know the product of two numbers between 1 and 100 without knowing that the N+1th prisoner has flipped the switch in his room or not after having determined which bottle of wine was poisoned and what colour his hat is, what is the solution to this puzzle?
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Originally Posted By d_striker:

  Wheel is not being reinvented.  

Customer service and processes can be taught.  Logic cannot.
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Originally Posted By d_striker:
Originally Posted By NotAFudd:
Don't try to reinvent the wheel on this one.  You have enough problems.  Ask a few customer service scenarios, make sure they are positive people and will be advocates and future managers as your business grows.

  Wheel is not being reinvented.  

Customer service and processes can be taught.  Logic cannot.

Yes it can.
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Your hiring cooks and servers, why the big hard on for logical geniuses?
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Who said anything about geniuses?  Having common sense/logic does not make one a genius.

 
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you are sitting in a rowboat floating in the middle of a large pool.

You have a large iron anchor in the boat, if you toss it overboard into the pool does the water level rise, fall, or stay the same?
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Yes it can.
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Originally Posted By d_striker:


Originally Posted By NotAFudd:

Don't try to reinvent the wheel on this one.  You have enough problems.  Ask a few customer service scenarios, make sure they are positive people and will be advocates and future managers as your business grows.


  Wheel is not being reinvented.  



Customer service and processes can be taught.  Logic cannot.



Yes it can.




 
Ok, perhaps I misspoke.  I do not WANT to spend my time teaching someone common sense.  I would rather spend my time teaching them customer service and product knowledge.
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Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

You walk into the pub and see this:

1) two angry male customers squaring off yelling in each other's faces about to mix it up
2) full pitcher of beer spilled on the tile floor at the front door.
3) phone is ringing at bar
4) bartender cut his hand and is bleeding


Prioritize these in the order in which you'd deal with them and state what you would do for each and why.

 
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kinda curious about this one.
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It sounds like you are looking for the kind of people who will not be applying for the kind of jobs you have.
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This is not my first rodeo.  Logic based questions on job applications have proved their value to me before in the same industry.




Perhaps your expectations or perception of a server's level of common sense is a little on the derogatory side?











 
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  This is not my first rodeo.  Logic based questions on job applications have proved their value to me before in the same industry.


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Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

It sounds like you are looking for the kind of people who will not be applying for the kind of jobs you have.

  This is not my first rodeo.  Logic based questions on job applications have proved their value to me before in the same industry.





then use the same questions that have worked before.
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Originally Posted By d_striker:

  This is not my first rodeo.  Logic based questions on job applications have proved their value to me before in the same industry.

Perhaps your expectations or perception of a server's level of common sense is a little on the derogatory side?


 
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Originally Posted By d_striker:
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

It sounds like you are looking for the kind of people who will not be applying for the kind of jobs you have.

  This is not my first rodeo.  Logic based questions on job applications have proved their value to me before in the same industry.

Perhaps your expectations or perception of a server's level of common sense is a little on the derogatory side?


 

So here's a logic question, then:
If a person has had success with a procedure in the past, why would they seek to overhaul the procedure for no appreciable gain if the end-result is to be the same?
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