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Posted: 9/29/2014 7:29:14 AM EST
The Navy has started the massive gas turbines in its latest class of guided missile destroyer ahead of the ship’s commissioning next year, Naval Sea Systems Command (NAVSEA) announced on Thursday.

The first-in-class Zumwalt (DDG-1000) fired up the two Rolls Royce MT-30 and two smaller Rolls-Royce RR450 gas turbines this week as part of testing the ships new integrated power system (IPS) that will use the combined 80 mega-watt power to power the ship and its new advanced induction motors (AIM).

Unlike traditional gas turbine arrangements on U.S. naval ships, the 36 mega-watt MT-30s and 3.8 mega-watt RR450s will drive a ship-wide electrical grid. Instead of having a direct mechanical connection to the ship’s propellers or water jets, the turbines will route power electrically to complex electrical motors that will drive the ship — crucial to the Navy’s IPS concept.

Through IPS the amount of raw power is increased making the three planned Zumwalts ideal test platforms for next generation weapons like high energy lasers or electro magnetic railguns.
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I wonder if they will be able to provide shore power in an emergency? That would come in handy for natural disasters.
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It's a badass ship. Models are available in 1/350 scale. Everyone should build one.
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Interesting. The T-AKEs are IPS. Diesel electric vice GT-electric, though. I wonder what voltage the main bus will run. We use 6.6kV and have various step-down load centers scattered about for 480V.

Shore power from a ship to shore takes a lot of infrastructure to support. Even if I had the cables on hand, I would need a way to tie into the grid and transformers to adapt the voltage. My shore power breakers will only allow incoming power, so they would need to be modified. Then, even though I produce 6.6kV, my shore power ties in to the 480V bus.

I'm not a lineman, but I thought most shore-grids were set up for 7.2kV or 14.4kV. Someone will be along shortly to correct me on that, I'm sure.

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Voltage would be one issue, synchronizing it would be the other. That with gas turbine prime mover would not be impossible but would also not be organic.
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Ill be interested to see how far this goes.

Its not a new idea, obviously diesel locomotives do the same thing, but on a ship?

Is this the first ship to use electric drive?

How much do they anticipate in saving on maintenance?
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Originally Posted By Sylvan:
Ill be interested to see how far this goes.

Its not a new idea, obviously diesel locomotives do the same thing, but on a ship?

Is this the first ship to use electric drive?

How much do they anticipate in saving on maintenance?
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The newest British type 45 destroyers have IEP
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Originally Posted By Sylvan:
Ill be interested to see how far this goes.

Its not a new idea, obviously diesel locomotives do the same thing, but on a ship?

Is this the first ship to use electric drive?

How much do they anticipate in saving on maintenance?
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Diesel electric subs prior to WWII
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Originally Posted By wwace:
Originally Posted By Sylvan:
Ill be interested to see how far this goes.

Its not a new idea, obviously diesel locomotives do the same thing, but on a ship?

Is this the first ship to use electric drive?

How much do they anticipate in saving on maintenance?
Diesel electric subs prior to WWII


doh!

Forgot.
Did the diesels only charge the batteries and they always ran electric drive even on the surface?
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Originally Posted By Sylvan:
Ill be interested to see how far this goes.

Its not a new idea, obviously diesel locomotives do the same thing, but on a ship?

Is this the first ship to use electric drive?

How much do they anticipate in saving on maintenance?
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A couple British RFA ships are electric drive. The T-AKE class dry cargo/ammo ships and the MLPs are also electric drive. Really, I don't see savings on maintenance. We just spend the money on different things and keep an army of tech reps very well-employed.

ETA: T2 tankers were turbo-electric drive. USNS Waters is diesel electric, too.

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Thanks.
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The way I see it it is not the power being generated to move the ship but to use some of the massive power in weapon systems. That is your payback.
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Originally Posted By Sylvan:
Ill be interested to see how far this goes.

Its not a new idea, obviously diesel locomotives do the same thing, but on a ship?

Is this the first ship to use electric drive?

How much do they anticipate in saving on maintenance?
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Many years ago Diesel Electric tugboats were very common. Most modern cruise ships are also Diesel electric azapoidal drive. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azipod
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Originally Posted By passgas55:
The way I see it it is not the power being generated to move the ship but to use some of the massive power in weapon systems. That is your payback.
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Thats why I am interested to see if lasers or rail guns will be fitted eventually

Its a big fucking ship.
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Originally Posted By bob1946:
I wonder if they will be able to provide shore power in an emergency? That would come in handy for natural disasters.
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Just what one wants to do in a natural disaster, put power into the grid. Your lack of critical thinking ability makes me sad.
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Originally Posted By wwace:
Originally Posted By Sylvan:
Ill be interested to see how far this goes.

Its not a new idea, obviously diesel locomotives do the same thing, but on a ship?

Is this the first ship to use electric drive?

How much do they anticipate in saving on maintenance?
Diesel electric subs prior to WWII

The U.S. Navy had electric drive battleships in the post-World War One era.
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Originally Posted By Sylvan:


Thats why I am interested to see if lasers or rail guns will be fitted eventually

Its a big fucking ship.
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Originally Posted By Sylvan:
Originally Posted By passgas55:
The way I see it it is not the power being generated to move the ship but to use some of the massive power in weapon systems. That is your payback.


Thats why I am interested to see if lasers or rail guns will be fitted eventually

Its a big fucking ship.


So we're ten years or so away from blinding everybody on a "cruise boat" celebrating a wedding that for some reason had pintle mounted DshKs?
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Originally Posted By ztug:

Many years ago Diesel Electric tugboats were very common. Most modern cruise ships are also Diesel electric azapoidal drive. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azipod
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Originally Posted By ztug:
Originally Posted By Sylvan:
Ill be interested to see how far this goes.

Its not a new idea, obviously diesel locomotives do the same thing, but on a ship?

Is this the first ship to use electric drive?

How much do they anticipate in saving on maintenance?

Many years ago Diesel Electric tugboats were very common. Most modern cruise ships are also Diesel electric azapoidal drive. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azipod


I don't know how many there are but I know DE propulsion ice breakers exist. I was told this is due to the stress on the shaft when the props turning and it's trying to break through ice. I have no idea if this is true though.
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Haven't cruise ships and many others used electric motors in azipods for years? How is this different?

I don't know much about ships so I'm curious.
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Originally Posted By 556therapy:
Haven't cruise ships and many others used electric motors in azipods for years? How is this different?

I don't know much about ships so I'm curious.
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It is not different. The U.S. Navy just got onboard with what the private sector has done for decades. Zumwalt will not have azipods because the U.S. Navy lacks the ability to think forward.
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Originally Posted By 556therapy:
Haven't cruise ships and many others used electric motors in azipods for years? How is this different?

I don't know much about ships so I'm curious.
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Yes, it is common.
"Queen Mary 2's power plant comprises both four sixteen cylinder Wärtsilä 16V46CR EnviroEngine marine diesel engines generating a combined 67,200 kW (90,100 hp) at 514 rpm, as well as two General Electric LM2500+ gas turbines which together provide a further 50,000 kW (67,000 hp) all of which is converted into electricity used to power electric motors which drive the propellers. Such an arrangement, known as integrated electric propulsion, provides for economical cruising at low speed combined with an ability to sustain much higher speeds when required, and has been common in naval vessels for some time.[15] "
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Originally Posted By DieselEngineer:


A couple British RFA ships are electric drive. The T-AKE class dry cargo/ammo ships and the MLPs are also electric drive. Really, I don't see savings on maintenance. We just spend the money on different things and keep an army of tech reps very well-employed.

ETA: T2 tankers were turbo-electric drive. USNS Waters is diesel electric, too.

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Originally Posted By DieselEngineer:
Originally Posted By Sylvan:
Ill be interested to see how far this goes.

Its not a new idea, obviously diesel locomotives do the same thing, but on a ship?

Is this the first ship to use electric drive?

How much do they anticipate in saving on maintenance?


A couple British RFA ships are electric drive. The T-AKE class dry cargo/ammo ships and the MLPs are also electric drive. Really, I don't see savings on maintenance. We just spend the money on different things and keep an army of tech reps very well-employed.

ETA: T2 tankers were turbo-electric drive. USNS Waters is diesel electric, too.

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Pathfinder Class
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Originally Posted By shoeh8ter:

It is not different. The U.S. Navy just got onboard with what the private sector has done for decades. Zumwalt will not have azipods because the U.S. Navy lacks the ability to think forward.
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Originally Posted By shoeh8ter:
Originally Posted By 556therapy:
Haven't cruise ships and many others used electric motors in azipods for years? How is this different?

I don't know much about ships so I'm curious.

It is not different. The U.S. Navy just got onboard with what the private sector has done for decades. Zumwalt will not have azipods because the U.S. Navy lacks the ability to think forward.


Well they have in the past. They has a turbo / electric Battleship in 1915!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_New_Mexico_(BB-40)
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Well they have in the past. They has a turbo / electric Battleship in 1915!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_New_Mexico_(BB-40)
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Originally Posted By ztug:
Originally Posted By shoeh8ter:
Originally Posted By 556therapy:
Haven't cruise ships and many others used electric motors in azipods for years? How is this different?

I don't know much about ships so I'm curious.

It is not different. The U.S. Navy just got onboard with what the private sector has done for decades. Zumwalt will not have azipods because the U.S. Navy lacks the ability to think forward.


Well they have in the past. They has a turbo / electric Battleship in 1915!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_New_Mexico_(BB-40)

No azipod.
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Originally Posted By shoeh8ter:

Just what one wants to do in a natural disaster, put power into the grid. Your lack of critical thinking ability makes me sad.
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Originally Posted By bob1946:
I wonder if they will be able to provide shore power in an emergency? That would come in handy for natural disasters.

Just what one wants to do in a natural disaster, put power into the grid. Your lack of critical thinking ability makes me sad.


Do they turn off all the generating plants every time a twister goes though OK?
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Originally Posted By shoeh8ter:

Just what one wants to do in a natural disaster, put power into the grid. Your lack of critical thinking ability makes me sad.
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Originally Posted By shoeh8ter:
Originally Posted By bob1946:
I wonder if they will be able to provide shore power in an emergency? That would come in handy for natural disasters.

Just what one wants to do in a natural disaster, put power into the grid. Your lack of critical thinking ability makes me sad.

So you wouldnt want power where everyone was staging to respond?
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Originally Posted By shoeh8ter:

No azipod.
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Originally Posted By shoeh8ter:
Originally Posted By ztug:
Originally Posted By shoeh8ter:
Originally Posted By 556therapy:
Haven't cruise ships and many others used electric motors in azipods for years? How is this different?

I don't know much about ships so I'm curious.

It is not different. The U.S. Navy just got onboard with what the private sector has done for decades. Zumwalt will not have azipods because the U.S. Navy lacks the ability to think forward.


Well they have in the past. They has a turbo / electric Battleship in 1915!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_New_Mexico_(BB-40)

No azipod.


No combat ship uses them. For a reason. They were looked at and discarded.
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No combat ship uses them. For a reason. They were looked at and discarded.
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Originally Posted By Spade:
Originally Posted By shoeh8ter:
Originally Posted By ztug:
Originally Posted By shoeh8ter:
Originally Posted By 556therapy:
Haven't cruise ships and many others used electric motors in azipods for years? How is this different?

I don't know much about ships so I'm curious.

It is not different. The U.S. Navy just got onboard with what the private sector has done for decades. Zumwalt will not have azipods because the U.S. Navy lacks the ability to think forward.


Well they have in the past. They has a turbo / electric Battleship in 1915!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_New_Mexico_(BB-40)

No azipod.


No combat ship uses them. For a reason. They were looked at and discarded.

Whats the issue?

Too exposed?
Too fragile?
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Originally Posted By Sylvan:

Whats the issue?

Too exposed?
Too fragile?
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Originally Posted By Sylvan:
Originally Posted By Spade:
Originally Posted By shoeh8ter:
Originally Posted By ztug:
Originally Posted By shoeh8ter:
It is not different. The U.S. Navy just got onboard with what the private sector has done for decades. Zumwalt will not have azipods because the U.S. Navy lacks the ability to think forward.


Well they have in the past. They has a turbo / electric Battleship in 1915!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_New_Mexico_(BB-40)

No azipod.


No combat ship uses them. For a reason. They were looked at and discarded.

Whats the issue?

Too exposed?
Too fragile?


I'm no engineer, but you look at them sticking out like that and wonder what a shock test will do to them.

With all the other tech, new shit, pricey things etc. they crammed into the 1000s, if azipods had made some sense at all they would've put them on there.
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Originally Posted By Spade:

I'm no engineer, but you look at them sticking out like that and wonder what a shock test will do to them.

With all the other tech, new shit, pricey things etc. they crammed into the 1000s, if azipods had made some sense at all they would've put them on there.
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Too slow, great for manuevering. Some ships have bow tunnel thrusters, others have drop-downs.
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Originally Posted By shoeh8ter:

Just what one wants to do in a natural disaster, put power into the grid. Your lack of critical thinking ability makes me sad.
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Originally Posted By bob1946:
I wonder if they will be able to provide shore power in an emergency? That would come in handy for natural disasters.

Just what one wants to do in a natural disaster, put power into the grid. Your lack of critical thinking ability makes me sad.
And your posting makes the rest if us laugh. Who said anything about a grid? You could power a tent city refugee center/command post/staging area.

THe possibilities are endless.
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Originally Posted By Sylvan:
Ill be interested to see how far this goes.

Its not a new idea, obviously diesel locomotives do the same thing, but on a ship?

Is this the first ship to use electric drive?

How much do they anticipate in saving on maintenance?
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I may be wrong but all the new cruise ships use electric motors in pods driving a variable pitch propellers.
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I may be wrong but all the new cruise ships use electric motors in pods driving a variable pitch propellers.
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Originally Posted By underdogII:
Originally Posted By Sylvan:
Ill be interested to see how far this goes.

Its not a new idea, obviously diesel locomotives do the same thing, but on a ship?

Is this the first ship to use electric drive?

How much do they anticipate in saving on maintenance?


I may be wrong but all the new cruise ships use electric motors in pods driving a variable pitch propellers.


I wouldn't say that an electric drive controllable pitch doesn't exist, but it would be incredibly unusual and I have not heard of such an installation. Electric motors already have infinitley variable speed control. The draw of CPPs was being able to make better use of the relatively narrow available speed range for mechanically coupled diesel and gas turbine plants.

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Thats why I am interested to see if lasers or rail guns will be fitted eventually

Its a big fucking ship.
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Originally Posted By Sylvan:
Originally Posted By passgas55:
The way I see it it is not the power being generated to move the ship but to use some of the massive power in weapon systems. That is your payback.


Thats why I am interested to see if lasers or rail guns will be fitted eventually

Its a big fucking ship.




TRG
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And your posting makes the rest if us laugh. Who said anything about a grid? You could power a tent city refugee center/command post/staging area.

THe possibilities are endless.
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Originally Posted By packinheavy:
Originally Posted By shoeh8ter:
Originally Posted By bob1946:
I wonder if they will be able to provide shore power in an emergency? That would come in handy for natural disasters.

Just what one wants to do in a natural disaster, put power into the grid. Your lack of critical thinking ability makes me sad.
And your posting makes the rest if us laugh. Who said anything about a grid? You could power a tent city refugee center/command post/staging area.

THe possibilities are endless.

The possibilities are endless, if you are ignorant of ship operations. Where does the ship discharge sewage? It is illegal to discharge in port. Is the disaster-stricken area going to provide sewage services? What about clean water for the ship? It is inadvisable to for the ship's water generation systems to make water in port. Is the disaster-stricken area going to provide clean water for the ship's crew? How about security requirements as the ship is close to many desperate people? How many lights for tent cities run on Zumwalt's 4,160 volt power? If there was a disaster is there even a clear channel for the ship to navigate in?

Lack of criticial thinking ability is an epidemic on this site.
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That's a lot of juice.
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No combat ship uses them. For a reason. They were looked at and discarded.
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Originally Posted By shoeh8ter:
Originally Posted By ztug:
Originally Posted By shoeh8ter:
Originally Posted By 556therapy:
Haven't cruise ships and many others used electric motors in azipods for years? How is this different?

I don't know much about ships so I'm curious.

It is not different. The U.S. Navy just got onboard with what the private sector has done for decades. Zumwalt will not have azipods because the U.S. Navy lacks the ability to think forward.


Well they have in the past. They has a turbo / electric Battleship in 1915!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_New_Mexico_(BB-40)

No azipod.

No combat ship uses them. For a reason. They were looked at and discarded.

Yes, because modern combat ships are so survivable. Was there not a crusier that was just holed by a warheadless drone?

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I wouldn't say that an electric drive controllable pitch doesn't exist, but it would be incredibly unusual and I have not heard of such an installation. Electric motors already have infinitley variable speed control. The draw of CPPs was being able to make better use of the relatively narrow available speed range for mechanically coupled diesel and gas turbine plants.

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Originally Posted By underdogII:
Originally Posted By Sylvan:
Ill be interested to see how far this goes.

Its not a new idea, obviously diesel locomotives do the same thing, but on a ship?

Is this the first ship to use electric drive?

How much do they anticipate in saving on maintenance?


I may be wrong but all the new cruise ships use electric motors in pods driving a variable pitch propellers.


I wouldn't say that an electric drive controllable pitch doesn't exist, but it would be incredibly unusual and I have not heard of such an installation. Electric motors already have infinitley variable speed control. The draw of CPPs was being able to make better use of the relatively narrow available speed range for mechanically coupled diesel and gas turbine plants.

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I think you are right on the variable pitch thing. Remember a large cruise ship coming into Port Everglades hit the side of the channel and screwed up the propeller shaft seal.
They repaired it in the water.
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Hmmm...you guys ever had an MG or a Triumph?

Rolls Royce is a British concern, oui?

Do the words "Magic Smoke" mean nothing to you?
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And your posting makes the rest if us laugh. Who said anything about a grid? You could power a tent city refugee center/command post/staging area.

THe possibilities are endless.
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Originally Posted By shoeh8ter:
Originally Posted By bob1946:
I wonder if they will be able to provide shore power in an emergency? That would come in handy for natural disasters.

Just what one wants to do in a natural disaster, put power into the grid. Your lack of critical thinking ability makes me sad.
And your posting makes the rest if us laugh. Who said anything about a grid? You could power a tent city refugee center/command post/staging area.

THe possibilities are endless.


And already been done with the nukes on aircraft carriers. As long as you can go ashore and verify the integrity of whatever circuits you're going to power, the only real limit is the output of the ship.
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That's a lot of juice.
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combined 80 mega-watt power


That's a lot of juice.



Wonder how they look on the electromagnetic spectrum when they are generating that much power.

TRG
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And already been done with the nukes on aircraft carriers. As long as you can go ashore and verify the integrity of whatever circuits you're going to power, the only real limit is the output of the ship.
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Originally Posted By packinheavy:
Originally Posted By shoeh8ter:
Originally Posted By bob1946:
I wonder if they will be able to provide shore power in an emergency? That would come in handy for natural disasters.

Just what one wants to do in a natural disaster, put power into the grid. Your lack of critical thinking ability makes me sad.
And your posting makes the rest if us laugh. Who said anything about a grid? You could power a tent city refugee center/command post/staging area.

THe possibilities are endless.


And already been done with the nukes on aircraft carriers. As long as you can go ashore and verify the integrity of whatever circuits you're going to power, the only real limit is the output of the ship.

No, they have not.
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Originally Posted By shoeh8ter:

The possibilities are endless, if you are ignorant of ship operations. Where does the ship discharge sewage? It is illegal to discharge in port. Is the disaster-stricken area going to provide sewage services? What about clean water for the ship? It is inadvisable to for the ship's water generation systems to make water in port. Is the disaster-stricken area going to provide clean water for the ship's crew? How about security requirements as the ship is close to many desperate people? How many lights for tent cities run on Zumwalt's 4,160 volt power? If there was a disaster is there even a clear channel for the ship to navigate in?

Lack of criticial thinking ability is an epidemic on this site.
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Originally Posted By packinheavy:
Originally Posted By shoeh8ter:
Originally Posted By bob1946:
I wonder if they will be able to provide shore power in an emergency? That would come in handy for natural disasters.

Just what one wants to do in a natural disaster, put power into the grid. Your lack of critical thinking ability makes me sad.
And your posting makes the rest if us laugh. Who said anything about a grid? You could power a tent city refugee center/command post/staging area.

THe possibilities are endless.

The possibilities are endless, if you are ignorant of ship operations. Where does the ship discharge sewage? It is illegal to discharge in port. Is the disaster-stricken area going to provide sewage services? What about clean water for the ship? It is inadvisable to for the ship's water generation systems to make water in port. Is the disaster-stricken area going to provide clean water for the ship's crew? How about security requirements as the ship is close to many desperate people? How many lights for tent cities run on Zumwalt's 4,160 volt power? If there was a disaster is there even a clear channel for the ship to navigate in?

Lack of criticial thinking ability is an epidemic on this site.
You're funny, kinda sad too though. But we will take the comedy relief with your "expertise".


What if doesn't get shit done in the real world and that seems to be all you can do.
Link Posted: 9/29/2014 9:28:44 AM EST
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Originally Posted By dbrowne1:


And already been done with the nukes on aircraft carriers. As long as you can go ashore and verify the integrity of whatever circuits you're going to power, the only real limit is the output of the ship.
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Originally Posted By packinheavy:
Originally Posted By shoeh8ter:
Originally Posted By bob1946:
I wonder if they will be able to provide shore power in an emergency? That would come in handy for natural disasters.

Just what one wants to do in a natural disaster, put power into the grid. Your lack of critical thinking ability makes me sad.
And your posting makes the rest if us laugh. Who said anything about a grid? You could power a tent city refugee center/command post/staging area.

THe possibilities are endless.


And already been done with the nukes on aircraft carriers. As long as you can go ashore and verify the integrity of whatever circuits you're going to power, the only real limit is the output of the ship.


its a theoretical ability, but I don't think its ever been done.
Link Posted: 9/29/2014 9:30:20 AM EST
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Originally Posted By packinheavy:
You're funny, kinda sad too though. But we will take the comedy relief with your "expertise".


What if doesn't get shit done in the real world and that seems to be all you can do.
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Originally Posted By packinheavy:
Originally Posted By shoeh8ter:
Originally Posted By packinheavy:
Originally Posted By shoeh8ter:
Originally Posted By bob1946:
I wonder if they will be able to provide shore power in an emergency? That would come in handy for natural disasters.

Just what one wants to do in a natural disaster, put power into the grid. Your lack of critical thinking ability makes me sad.
And your posting makes the rest if us laugh. Who said anything about a grid? You could power a tent city refugee center/command post/staging area.

THe possibilities are endless.

The possibilities are endless, if you are ignorant of ship operations. Where does the ship discharge sewage? It is illegal to discharge in port. Is the disaster-stricken area going to provide sewage services? What about clean water for the ship? It is inadvisable to for the ship's water generation systems to make water in port. Is the disaster-stricken area going to provide clean water for the ship's crew? How about security requirements as the ship is close to many desperate people? How many lights for tent cities run on Zumwalt's 4,160 volt power? If there was a disaster is there even a clear channel for the ship to navigate in?

Lack of criticial thinking ability is an epidemic on this site.
You're funny, kinda sad too though. But we will take the comedy relief with your "expertise".


What if doesn't get shit done in the real world and that seems to be all you can do.

I see you have no intelligent reply to add to this discussion. Continue to obfuscate in order to hide your ignorance.
Link Posted: 9/29/2014 9:31:53 AM EST
I see you are throwing out big words to hide the fact you are clueless.


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Originally Posted By shoeh8ter:

The possibilities are endless, if you are ignorant of ship operations. Where does the ship discharge sewage? It is illegal to discharge in port. Is the disaster-stricken area going to provide sewage services? What about clean water for the ship? It is inadvisable to for the ship's water generation systems to make water in port. Is the disaster-stricken area going to provide clean water for the ship's crew? How about security requirements as the ship is close to many desperate people? How many lights for tent cities run on Zumwalt's 4,160 volt power? If there was a disaster is there even a clear channel for the ship to navigate in?

Lack of criticial thinking ability is an epidemic on this site.
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Originally Posted By shoeh8ter:
Originally Posted By packinheavy:
Originally Posted By shoeh8ter:
Originally Posted By bob1946:
I wonder if they will be able to provide shore power in an emergency? That would come in handy for natural disasters.

Just what one wants to do in a natural disaster, put power into the grid. Your lack of critical thinking ability makes me sad.
And your posting makes the rest if us laugh. Who said anything about a grid? You could power a tent city refugee center/command post/staging area.

THe possibilities are endless.

The possibilities are endless, if you are ignorant of ship operations. Where does the ship discharge sewage? It is illegal to discharge in port. Is the disaster-stricken area going to provide sewage services? What about clean water for the ship? It is inadvisable to for the ship's water generation systems to make water in port. Is the disaster-stricken area going to provide clean water for the ship's crew? How about security requirements as the ship is close to many desperate people? How many lights for tent cities run on Zumwalt's 4,160 volt power? If there was a disaster is there even a clear channel for the ship to navigate in?

Lack of criticial thinking ability is an epidemic on this site.


Oh yes...there is a lack of critical thinking....it's not where you think it is however...
Link Posted: 9/29/2014 9:34:35 AM EST
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Originally Posted By packinheavy:
I see you are throwing out big words to hide the fact you are clueless.


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I am not clueless. I have written the truth. That truth, however, conflicts with the mythology of this site that says the U.S. military can do anything and is the best at everything. It is a shame my fellow Americans cannot learn from the past.
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Originally Posted By shoeh8ter:

I see you have no intelligent reply to add to this discussion. Continue to obfuscate in order to hide your ignorance.
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Seriously? You are the clown that pops in to a huge chunk of military related threads, shits on all the services, makes no positive contribution to the thread, and then calls other members out without citing your credentials as an authority on the matter. Fuck off.
Link Posted: 9/29/2014 9:35:43 AM EST
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Originally Posted By gwitness:
Oh yes...there is a lack of critical thinking....it's not where you think it is however...
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It is exactly where I think it is. No one is addressing my points. They are, instead and predictably, attacking me. That is proof the attackers have been defeated in the arena of ideas, as a radio talk show host used to say.
Link Posted: 9/29/2014 9:37:24 AM EST
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Originally Posted By AnvilUSMC:


Seriously? You are the clown that pops in to a huge chunk of military related threads, shits on all the services, makes no positive contribution to the thread, and then calls other members out without citing your credentials as an authority on the matter. Fuck off.
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Originally Posted By AnvilUSMC:
Originally Posted By shoeh8ter:

I see you have no intelligent reply to add to this discussion. Continue to obfuscate in order to hide your ignorance.


Seriously? You are the clown that pops in to a huge chunk of military related threads, shits on all the services, makes no positive contribution to the thread, and then calls other members out without citing your credentials as an authority on the matter. Fuck off.

I have provided reasons why the claims this ship will power the shore in disater relief scenarios will never occur and why it cannot occur. In return, I am attacked personally.

I do not see your resume posted, so your cries for "credentials" are a double standard and a red-herring.
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