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Posted: 2/22/2021 7:22:15 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Cypher214: Because an Aimpoint PRO is a great optic and isn't much more than a Primary Arms. Guys spend $350 or more on garbage when they could have bought something like an older EOTech or Comp M2. Nobody is saying everyone needs a $2,000 optic. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 7:22:23 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Greyswandir: What if he has a prism 1x optic because he has astigmatism? Next best option then becomes an acog TA44 which of course carries a higher price tag. Maybe a hologram eotech would work, but eotechs have the taint of unreliability (deserved or not) on them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Greyswandir: Originally Posted By Cypher214: Because an Aimpoint PRO is a great optic and isn't much more than a Primary Arms. Guys spend $350 or more on garbage when they could have bought something like an older EOTech or Comp M2. Nobody is saying everyone needs a $2,000 optic. What if he has a prism 1x optic because he has astigmatism? Next best option then becomes an acog TA44 which of course carries a higher price tag. Maybe a hologram eotech would work, but eotechs have the taint of unreliability (deserved or not) on them. Insert medical condition copypasta here |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 7:23:16 PM EST
Neat!
Andrew....you cool. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 7:30:03 PM EST
So what book does he have?
I know he has a book |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 7:33:18 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Kharn: My HD rifle is practically eligible for a retro thread.  Kharn And it probably works very well and won't get hung up on all the shit in your house. I too appreciate a simple rifle with little to no crap hanging off it. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 7:37:16 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By AKengineer: Not sure I would run something that hard with a latchless charging handle. Considering it made it through, it is no issue. I have the same CH. It is very good. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 7:43:34 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By IdahoDoug: Ignorant question. Why would a guy in the class have to keep using the charging handle instead of the bolt release? Probably induced malfunctions. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 7:45:23 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Johnnymenudo: Serious question. If someone uses a weapon professionally or if their life depends on it, I can understand taking a "no cost is too great to pay" approach for reliability and quality. But why the hate for inexpensive optics that are pretty damn reliable? Not everyone needs an aimpoint, Schmidt and Bender, Nightforce, etc. Because they break when you most need them. But I've also broken an aimpoint T1. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 7:47:20 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Greyswandir: What if he has a prism 1x optic because he has astigmatism? Next best option then becomes an acog TA44 which of course carries a higher price tag. Maybe a hologram eotech would work, but eotechs have the taint of unreliability (deserved or not) on them. I wouldn't want just a TA44 on home defense rifle. They have problems in low light conditions. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 7:47:48 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/22/2021 7:50:27 PM EST by ContrarianIndicator]
I think your rifle looks sweet. What kind of flashlight mount? I'd like to do something similar to my middy.
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Posted: 2/22/2021 7:52:12 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/22/2021 7:56:03 PM EST by AKengineer]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ErikS: Considering it made it through, it is no issue. I have the same CH. It is very good. How does it handle suppressor gas? Eta: Nevermind. Per the manufacturer it isn't rated for the application OP is using it for. "Compatibility: For standard mil-spec AR15 only. Not rated for suppressors and /or full auto fire. Not for use on SBRs or pistol length barrels (<14.5")" https://www.strikeindustries.com/si-ar-slch.html So he is using it on a suppressed SBR which is like double not recommended. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 7:58:07 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By ErikS: Considering it made it through, it is no issue. I have the same CH. It is very good. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ErikS: Originally Posted By AKengineer: Not sure I would run something that hard with a latchless charging handle. Considering it made it through, it is no issue. I have the same CH. It is very good. That's not the rifle he used for the class |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 8:00:50 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Real_PhillBert: I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Surefire Warden, which is just a surefire blast deflector that uses the same mounts as SF suppressors. https://i0.wp.com/megiddotacticalgroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Surefire-Warden-SOCOM-Device.jpg?fit=1000%2C1000&ssl=1 I'm guessing this thing is about 10x the price of a KAK flash can and isn't 10x better. They're both just redirecting blast forward, correct? Can someone confirm? |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 8:10:07 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/22/2021 8:13:23 PM EST by high-drag_low-speed]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Johnnymenudo: Serious question. If someone uses a weapon professionally or if their life depends on it, I can understand taking a "no cost is too great to pay" approach for reliability and quality. But why the hate for inexpensive optics that are pretty damn reliable? Not everyone needs an aimpoint, Schmidt and Bender, Nightforce, etc. I know for a fact, if you put a Strike Eagle on a Geissele rifle, the rifle will blow up. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 8:27:26 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By IdahoDoug: Ignorant question. Why would a guy in the class have to keep using the charging handle instead of the bolt release? Go ahead and tell me you never done this. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 8:39:54 PM EST
You don't think a primary arms cyclops isn't tough and will hold up? I think they're built tougher than most scopes. Aimpoint is nice but when they have multiple aiming points because of old eyes not worth much.
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Posted: 2/22/2021 8:43:39 PM EST
Ever have a optic fail in a class? It's embarrassing....cough Mepro M21
If your optic fails on your HD rifle, well that could be final. I've not had an Aimpoint Pro or H1 fail in a class yet. I'd trust my life to a Pro, M3, or M4. Not as sold on the T or H series but they haven't failed yet. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 8:44:01 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By RaisedByWolves: I use mine often to facilitate punching myself in the mouth. Go ahead and tell me you never done this. It hurts especially bad when you bop that nerve cluster just under your nose with a knuckle. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 2/22/2021 8:44:55 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Greyswandir: What if he has a prism 1x optic because he has astigmatism? Next best option then becomes an acog TA44 which of course carries a higher price tag. Maybe a hologram eotech would work, but eotechs have the taint of unreliability (deserved or not) on them. Keep making excuses brah. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 10:11:33 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By ICU: Some folks like to keep the manipulations as close to possible system to system. Think pistol/rifle tap & rack... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ICU: Originally Posted By IdahoDoug: Ignorant question. Why would a guy in the class have to keep using the charging handle instead of the bolt release? Some folks like to keep the manipulations as close to possible system to system. Think pistol/rifle tap & rack... |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 10:17:21 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Johnnymenudo: Serious question. If someone uses a weapon professionally or if their life depends on it, I can understand taking a "no cost is too great to pay" approach for reliability and quality. But why the hate for inexpensive optics that are pretty damn reliable? Not everyone needs an aimpoint, Schmidt and Bender, Nightforce, etc. There is a gigantic difference between a used aim point pro and a freaking S&B. 
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FL, USA
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Posted: 2/22/2021 10:18:42 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By SEAN10MM: Who the f*** is Andrew? Another SJW gun Youtuber in the vein of Karl of InRange |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 2/22/2021 10:24:28 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By TacticalGarand44: The thing is, a cheap optic costs 200 dollars. An Aimpoint is 400 dollars. That's a pretty small gap to get top of the line quality compared to Chinese stuff which may or may not function well. It's disingenuous to bring up S&B or Nightforce, because those optics are seriously expensive. But an Aimpoint is in the reach of everyone. Seriously, cheap out on the stock. Get a take off M4 from the EE for 5 bucks. Cheap out on the trigger, a GI model will function fine. Cheap out on the handguard, again a set of M4 ones from the EE for nothing. An A2 flash hider will work perfectly fine. Even cheap out on the lower; a PSA or Anderson is perfectly fine as long as you verify the specs on it. But for the love of all that is holy, sack up and buy a good BCG, barrel, and optic. Everything else is optional. I might be weird but I always thought Toolcraft BCGs were good. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 10:27:14 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By WildBoar: I might be weird but I always thought Toolcraft BCGs were good. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WildBoar: Originally Posted By TacticalGarand44: The thing is, a cheap optic costs 200 dollars. An Aimpoint is 400 dollars. That's a pretty small gap to get top of the line quality compared to Chinese stuff which may or may not function well. It's disingenuous to bring up S&B or Nightforce, because those optics are seriously expensive. But an Aimpoint is in the reach of everyone. Seriously, cheap out on the stock. Get a take off M4 from the EE for 5 bucks. Cheap out on the trigger, a GI model will function fine. Cheap out on the handguard, again a set of M4 ones from the EE for nothing. An A2 flash hider will work perfectly fine. Even cheap out on the lower; a PSA or Anderson is perfectly fine as long as you verify the specs on it. But for the love of all that is holy, sack up and buy a good BCG, barrel, and optic. Everything else is optional. I might be weird but I always thought Toolcraft BCGs were good. They're outstanding. Good doesn't have to be expensive. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 2/22/2021 10:31:11 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By 64tinc: You don't think a primary arms cyclops isn't tough and will hold up? I think they're built tougher than most scopes. Aimpoint is nice but when they have multiple aiming points because of old eyes not worth much. Inwoukd honestly have no problem with one of those. They take a massive beating. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 2/22/2021 10:46:16 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/22/2021 10:47:05 PM EST by chatran]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TacticalGarand44: The thing is, a cheap optic costs 200 dollars. An Aimpoint is 400 dollars. That's a pretty small gap to get top of the line quality compared to Chinese stuff which may or may not function well. It's disingenuous to bring up S&B or Nightforce, because those optics are seriously expensive. But an Aimpoint is in the reach of everyone. Seriously, cheap out on the stock. Get a take off M4 from the EE for 5 bucks. Cheap out on the trigger, a GI model will function fine. Cheap out on the handguard, again a set of M4 ones from the EE for nothing. An A2 flash hider will work perfectly fine. Even cheap out on the lower; a PSA or Anderson is perfectly fine as long as you verify the specs on it. But for the love of all that is holy, sack up and buy a good BCG, barrel, and optic. Everything else is optional. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TacticalGarand44: Originally Posted By Johnnymenudo: Serious question. If someone uses a weapon professionally or if their life depends on it, I can understand taking a "no cost is too great to pay" approach for reliability and quality. But why the hate for inexpensive optics that are pretty damn reliable? Not everyone needs an aimpoint, Schmidt and Bender, Nightforce, etc. The thing is, a cheap optic costs 200 dollars. An Aimpoint is 400 dollars. That's a pretty small gap to get top of the line quality compared to Chinese stuff which may or may not function well. It's disingenuous to bring up S&B or Nightforce, because those optics are seriously expensive. But an Aimpoint is in the reach of everyone. Seriously, cheap out on the stock. Get a take off M4 from the EE for 5 bucks. Cheap out on the trigger, a GI model will function fine. Cheap out on the handguard, again a set of M4 ones from the EE for nothing. An A2 flash hider will work perfectly fine. Even cheap out on the lower; a PSA or Anderson is perfectly fine as long as you verify the specs on it. But for the love of all that is holy, sack up and buy a good BCG, barrel, and optic. Everything else is optional. The C-MORE Railway is around $250, or less for a used one on ebay or GB. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 10:49:33 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/22/2021 11:00:21 PM EST by BigHumidity]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By avslash: I have been in two classes with Gonzalez. At least when I was training with him he always ran the charging handle and always stripped empty mags out of the rifle. Theory I believe was reducing points of potential failure. You know the mag is out/coming out when you strip it and running the handle provides the maximum forward momentum to the BCG. The man can shoot. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By avslash: Originally Posted By IdahoDoug: Ignorant question. Why would a guy in the class have to keep using the charging handle instead of the bolt release? At least when I was training with him he always ran the charging handle and always stripped empty mags out of the rifle. Theory I believe was reducing points of potential failure. You know the mag is out/coming out when you strip it and running the handle provides the maximum forward momentum to the BCG. The man can shoot. If the bolt isn't closing off lock by dropping the bolt release, I find it extremely hard to believe the slight extra momentum from racking the handle is going to make a difference- something is wrong and it's going to gum up either way. |
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USA
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:09:58 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By IdahoDoug: Ignorant question. Why would a guy in the class have to keep using the charging handle instead of the bolt release? grOSe MotUr SkIllS |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:11:30 PM EST
Me and Jeff were BUD/S Instructors together in the land warfare phase of training. If he said you had shitty gear on your rifle, it's because you have shitty gear on your rifle.
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CT, USA
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:11:45 PM EST
Up next, "How a Navy Seal packs a suitcase."
 Seals are badass but, I cringe every time I read, "How A Navy Seal (does anything)". |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:14:51 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By echo_5: Up next, "How a Navy Seal packs a suitcase." "Quickly" is the answer... There, now you don't have to wait for the thrilling YouTube video... |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:22:03 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/22/2021 11:32:19 PM EST by Eddiep]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Skg_Mre_Lght: VTAC or Vickers as always. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Skg_Mre_Lght: Originally Posted By HTHF: So whats the sling recommendation?  Yea, sorry, I'd take a gear sector sling over a VTAC/Vickers. They are all great slings, but Andrew seemed to get it (quick attachment to multiple rifles, with different attachment types, and even changing from single point to double point). Didn't seem to sink in with the other guy? |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:24:42 PM EST
Mavy Seal titled You Tube videos are dime a dozen. Thats about what most of their opinions are worth.
Somehow being a Seal makes you an expert on literally everything... |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:27:53 PM EST
Title is super misleading..........he bitched about the sling not the rifle.
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:31:59 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Spiffums: Title is super misleading..........he bitched about the sling not the rifle. Next Andrew should plan on a series of "This rifle means nothing to me" |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:33:56 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By BruceLeroy: Mavy Seal titled You Tube videos are dime a dozen. Thats about what most of their opinions are worth. Somehow being a Seal makes you an expert on literally everything... I might not listen to a SEAL when it comes to the proper method for making a Hollandaise sauce or the technique of writing with a feather quill, but when it comes to setting up rifles to kill people in close quarters I think they have more experience than most of us. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:41:10 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Houseofmoto: Ever have a optic fail in a class? It's embarrassing....cough Mepro M21 If your optic fails on your HD rifle, well that could be final. I've not had an Aimpoint Pro or H1 fail in a class yet. I'd trust my life to a Pro, M3, or M4. Not as sold on the T or H series but they haven't failed yet. Backup irons never fail. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:41:56 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Greyswandir: What if he has a prism 1x optic because he has astigmatism? Next best option then becomes an acog TA44 which of course carries a higher price tag. Maybe a hologram eotech would work, but eotechs have the taint of unreliability (deserved or not) on them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Greyswandir: Originally Posted By Cypher214: Because an Aimpoint PRO is a great optic and isn't much more than a Primary Arms. Guys spend $350 or more on garbage when they could have bought something like an older EOTech or Comp M2. Nobody is saying everyone needs a $2,000 optic. What if he has a prism 1x optic because he has astigmatism? Next best option then becomes an acog TA44 which of course carries a higher price tag. Maybe a hologram eotech would work, but eotechs have the taint of unreliability (deserved or not) on them. As someone with bad astigmatism, I found that placing a red blob on a target is still just as effective as placing a red dot on a target at 200 yards and under. |
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USA
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:42:41 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Cypher214: Because an Aimpoint PRO is a great optic and isn't much more than a Primary Arms. Guys spend $350 or more on garbage when they could have bought something like an older EOTech or Comp M2. Nobody is saying everyone needs a $2,000 optic. I have used aimpoints and still own old eotechs. Are they really that great? A circle with a dot and a dot? They have simplicity, fairly good reliability (not great, especially eotech), and the prices are not horrendous, but if people are honest, much of the appeal is that they are used by the military. Just my opinion. I would be happy with an aimpoint compM4, but wouldn't necessarily feel like spending that kind of money was necessary. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:42:51 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/22/2021 11:50:06 PM EST by RJeff21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Johnnymenudo: Serious question. If someone uses a weapon professionally or if their life depends on it, I can understand taking a "no cost is too great to pay" approach for reliability and quality. But why the hate for inexpensive optics that are pretty damn reliable? Not everyone needs an aimpoint, Schmidt and Bender, Nightforce, etc. I’d say you keep an HD rifle because your “life may depend on it” someday. Reliability should be the aim of the game there. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:45:44 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By BadPenny: Backup irons never fail. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BadPenny: Originally Posted By Houseofmoto: Ever have a optic fail in a class? It's embarrassing....cough Mepro M21 If your optic fails on your HD rifle, well that could be final. I've not had an Aimpoint Pro or H1 fail in a class yet. I'd trust my life to a Pro, M3, or M4. Not as sold on the T or H series but they haven't failed yet. Backup irons never fail. Backup irons absolutely fail. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:48:38 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/22/2021 11:49:28 PM EST by ds3_09]
Those cyclops optics are tough as shit. People who haven't messed with them shit on them but I'd feel just as confident in them holding up as any other optic. I've had aimpoints, acogs, eotechs etc. I also have two gen II Vortex Razors. The cyclops doesn't have the very brightest glass but it will take a beating as well as any above optics I listed.
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:49:48 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/22/2021 11:54:01 PM EST by RJeff21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BadPenny: Backup irons never fail. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BadPenny: Originally Posted By Houseofmoto: Ever have a optic fail in a class? It's embarrassing....cough Mepro M21 If your optic fails on your HD rifle, well that could be final. I've not had an Aimpoint Pro or H1 fail in a class yet. I'd trust my life to a Pro, M3, or M4. Not as sold on the T or H series but they haven't failed yet. Backup irons never fail. lol wut Yes, irons can and do fail. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:53:00 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By ds3_09: Those cyclops optics are tough as shit. People who haven't messed with them shit on them but I'd feel just as confident in them holding up as any other optic. I've had aimpoints, acogs, eotechs etc. I also have two gen II Vortex Razors. The cyclops doesn't have the very brightest glass but it will take a beating as well as any above optics I listed. Even if so, so what? The example you have might have proven itself durable/reliable. What about one that was shipped out 6 months after yours? There is a certain peace of mind that comes with an optic that has been in hard use in large numbers for a long time, especially ones that are manufactured in places with a known track record for consistent quality and QC. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:56:38 PM EST
My PA prisms optics havent failed me yet. My 5x with the Aurora reticle has been through hell from run and gun courses to being tossed around repeatedly on my ranch carbine and falling off my 4 wheeler and getting ran over by an f250 on a lease road going around 20mph....
Zero issue with it and have been so impressed by it I replaced all of my aimpoints with their prisms. Also helps me out with my astigmatism as well....win win for me 
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:56:58 PM EST
Why bring your home HD rifle to a class and not even shoot it during the class... but only to make a video about it? Seems a bit odd.
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:58:47 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/22/2021 11:59:37 PM EST by 14BoltFF]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BadPenny: Backup irons never fail. I've seen broken/damaged iron sights on multiple occasions. Nothing is 100% fail-proof. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 2/23/2021 12:03:51 AM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By JoeJeeps: I'm guessing this thing is about 10x the price of a KAK flash can and isn't 10x better. They're both just redirecting blast forward, correct? Can someone confirm? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoeJeeps: Originally Posted By Real_PhillBert: I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Surefire Warden, which is just a surefire blast deflector that uses the same mounts as SF suppressors. https://i0.wp.com/megiddotacticalgroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Surefire-Warden-SOCOM-Device.jpg?fit=1000%2C1000&ssl=1 I'm guessing this thing is about 10x the price of a KAK flash can and isn't 10x better. They're both just redirecting blast forward, correct? Can someone confirm? Andrew has a Surefire muzzle device that his Surefire suppressor fits on. The Warden also fits on the same muzzle device. The KAK flash can is works just as good as the Warden, but it is direct thread. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 12:10:15 AM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Greyswandir: What if he has a prism 1x optic because he has astigmatism? Next best option then becomes an acog TA44 which of course carries a higher price tag. Maybe a hologram eotech would work, but eotechs have the taint of unreliability (deserved or not) on them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Greyswandir: Originally Posted By Cypher214: Because an Aimpoint PRO is a great optic and isn't much more than a Primary Arms. Guys spend $350 or more on garbage when they could have bought something like an older EOTech or Comp M2. Nobody is saying everyone needs a $2,000 optic. What if he has a prism 1x optic because he has astigmatism? Next best option then becomes an acog TA44 which of course carries a higher price tag. Maybe a hologram eotech would work, but eotechs have the taint of unreliability (deserved or not) on them. *silently takes out SpecterDR and sets it on the table* |
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GRL
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Posted: 2/23/2021 12:12:34 AM EST
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