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Posted: 11/18/2012 2:16:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/18/2012 2:16:37 PM EST by raven]

ONE evening in September 2011, Ali Rahimi, a 27-year-old Afghan asylum seeker, was hanging around with friends outside his building in central Athens when more than a dozen Greeks approached. Several men set upon Mr. Rahimi, one with a knife. Panicked, he fled into his apartment and fought back, managing to push the men out the door. He found blood gushing from just above his heart, one of five stab wounds in his back and chest.


Mr. Rahimi survived and is staying put for now. But his friend, Reza Mohammed, who was also injured in the attack, is considering what was once unthinkable: moving back to Afghanistan, which he feels would be safer than Greece

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/18/opinion/sunday/europes-new-fascists.html?pagewanted=all


Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:19:03 PM EST

It's no secret. Greece will burn.

Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:19:54 PM EST
I fail to see the problem here.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:21:03 PM EST

Originally Posted By OilyPablo:
I fail to see the problem here.

Greece was built by immigrants
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:21:35 PM EST
Coming to a metropolitan area near you!
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:22:05 PM EST
Originally Posted By OilyPablo:
I fail to see the problem here.


Really? Dude was not harming anyone and was attacked? You dont see the problem with that?


Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:22:57 PM EST
Not my problem.

Moral of story................don't go or stay where you are not wanted.

GD
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:23:57 PM EST
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:25:35 PM EST
Direct result of Ultraliberal policies.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:26:52 PM EST
This thread is off to a great start. In.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:28:59 PM EST
Originally Posted By colklink:
Originally Posted By OilyPablo:
I fail to see the problem here.


Really? Dude was not harming anyone and was attacked? You dont see the problem with that?




Maybe he knows the story of the camel and the tent.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:29:37 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/18/2012 2:31:26 PM EST by RustedAce]

Originally Posted By raven:

Originally Posted By OilyPablo:
I fail to see the problem here.

Greece was built by immigrants

The Dorians are racist foreign interlopers, Mycenae forever!
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:29:48 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/18/2012 2:31:39 PM EST by NoVaGator]
Originally Posted By OilyPablo:
I fail to see the problem here.



I was going to say that there are a bunch of mouth breathing douche-nozzles here that would be ok with this, but they're not usually in on the first 2 replies to a thread.

congrats, you beat the rush
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:30:02 PM EST
Originally Posted By killingmachine123:
This thread is off to a great start. In.


In as well. Now to just sit back and watch.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:31:11 PM EST
That country is going to get pretty interesting in the next year or so.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:32:26 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/18/2012 2:34:21 PM EST by InjunJoe]
Originally Posted By OilyPablo:
I fail to see the problem here.


Assault is bad.

Especially when it takes three thugs with a knife to take one unarmed guy and he still fights them off. Fucking cowards.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:33:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By raven:

Originally Posted By OilyPablo:
I fail to see the problem here.

Greece was built by immigrants

So was America.

Let's open up our border and put all who come on the dole.

Oh, wait...
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:33:59 PM EST
Gangs of nationalists beating up foreigners... This sounds strangely familiar.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:34:20 PM EST

Originally Posted By OilyPablo:
I fail to see the problem here.

As much as we like to talk about lefties putting people on train cars, we have those same types of people among us, as evidenced by the above post.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:34:41 PM EST
I wouldn't do it and don't condone it, but I understand where the impulse comes from.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:34:42 PM EST
Originally Posted By OilyPablo:
I fail to see the problem here.


I'm trying to understand what you're writing here.

Elaborate if you would please.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:36:37 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/18/2012 2:37:21 PM EST by ChrisLe]
One can draw parallels with Greece's far right Golden Dawn party, which is enjoying more and more support, to the rise of the Nazi party during the post WWI Weimar Republic. Whereas the Nazis blamed their problems on Jews, the Golden Dawn party is blaming immigrants. The only difference is Greece's problems are self made. It will get far uglier before it gets better...
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:37:09 PM EST
Originally Posted By tweeter:
Originally Posted By OilyPablo:
I fail to see the problem here.


I'm trying to understand what you're writing here.

Elaborate if you would please.


Apparently some folks here don't understand sarcastic schadenfreude.

Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:37:53 PM EST
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:39:04 PM EST
Heck, I've been saying that Nationalism is going to make a big comeback in Europe. Those folks have been fighting and killing one another as long as there has been recorded history, and probably before that too.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:39:49 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/18/2012 2:40:33 PM EST by raven]

Originally Posted By ChrisLe:
One can draw parallels with Greece's far right Golden Dawn party, which is enjoying more and more support, to the rise of the Nazi party during the post WWI Weimar Republic. Whereas the Nazis blamed their problems on Jews, the Golden Dawn party is blaming immigrants. The only difference is Greece's problems are self made. It will get far uglier before it gets better...

Are the GD guys calling for socialism like the Nazis did? Not from what I can see. They seem to be mostly fixated on nationalism.

GD doesn't seem to blaming their problems on immigrants, but note that their presence and consumption of resources doesn't help Greek natives at all during a profound crisis (that they are essentially to blame for). And their extreme violence seems to be getting the immigrants to leave.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:39:57 PM EST
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:42:59 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/18/2012 2:43:24 PM EST by Sslous]
Originally Posted By Stegadeth:
Gangs of nationalists beating up foreigners... This sounds strangely familiar.


It happens here






This shit happens when you open up the flood gates.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:48:23 PM EST
This is human nature as evidenced by human history.

The only thing that keeps people from banding together along, cultural, racial, ethnic lines and killing each other is the thin veil of an abundant society.

As soon as things get tight, there is a percentage of people that will band together, blame another group and be violent.

If things get bad here where the FSA diesn't get what they think they are entitled too, it will hapen here too.

Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:49:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By Mach:
This is human nature as evidenced by human history.

The only thing that keeps people from banding together along, cultural, racial, ethnic lines and killing each other is the thin veil of an abundant society.

As soon as things get tight, there is a percentage of people that will band together, blame another group and be violent.

If things get bad here where the FSA diesn't get what they think they are entitled too, it will hapen here too.


Yep. You are 100% right.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:51:13 PM EST
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:52:34 PM EST
Originally Posted By raven:

Originally Posted By ChrisLe:
One can draw parallels with Greece's far right Golden Dawn party, which is enjoying more and more support, to the rise of the Nazi party during the post WWI Weimar Republic. Whereas the Nazis blamed their problems on Jews, the Golden Dawn party is blaming immigrants. The only difference is Greece's problems are self made. It will get far uglier before it gets better...

Are the GD guys calling for socialism like the Nazis did? Not from what I can see. They seem to be mostly fixated on nationalism.

GD doesn't seem to blaming their problems on immigrants, but note that their presence and consumption of resources doesn't help Greek natives at all during a profound crisis (that they are essentially to blame for). And their extreme violence seems to be getting the immigrants to leave.


The Nazis were also excessively nationalist. Hence the ubermensch and Third Reich.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:53:30 PM EST
If only they put that much effort into work.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:54:58 PM EST
Several years ago, we had some Greeks as customers at the shop I was working at. They elected to stay here, while we spent a few weeks replacing engines, doing some airframe upgrades, and upgrading the radios on the plane they had just bought. It was kinda entertaining to have them around the shop, and quite a few cultural discussions popped up (ask a Greek how to properly write and pronounce Molon Lave, and they are more than happy to do that and tell you the story in detail).

Two things I learned:

1. Greeks hate Turks.

2. Greeks complain about their immigrant problem, at least as much as some people in the US complain about Mexicans coming across the border illegally.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:55:04 PM EST
The rise of the Far Right is going to be a necessary countermeasure to the Left in Greece.


They won't ever get a majority, but a swing Right is needed.


Sorry about the whole violence part of it, but... life is hard.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:55:36 PM EST
Originally Posted By Gmezz4:
Coming to a metropolitan area near you!


Only it will be the immigrants beating up the gringos.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:55:46 PM EST
Originally Posted By raven:
ONE evening in September 2011, Ali Rahimi, a 27-year-old Afghan asylum seeker, was hanging around with friends outside his building in central Athens when more than a dozen Greeks approached.


Is this the Greek equivalent to my baby didn't do nuthin'?

I'm not picking sides but have seen enough biased reporting from the NYT that I wonder if something beyond hatred of brown people set off the greek mob.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:57:33 PM EST
Originally Posted By PogueMahone:
Originally Posted By colklink:
Originally Posted By OilyPablo:
I fail to see the problem here.


Really? Dude was not harming anyone and was attacked? You dont see the problem with that?




Maybe he knows the story of the camel and the tent.


Illegal immigration pisses me off as much as anyone, but if I saw that shit going on I would aquaint the thugs with the story of the angry fucking redneck and his .40 caliber glock
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:59:05 PM EST
Originally Posted By colklink:
Originally Posted By PogueMahone:
Originally Posted By colklink:
Originally Posted By OilyPablo:
I fail to see the problem here.


Really? Dude was not harming anyone and was attacked? You dont see the problem with that?




Maybe he knows the story of the camel and the tent.


Illegal immigration pisses me off as much as anyone, but if I saw that shit going on I would aquaint the thugs with the story of the angry fucking redneck and his .40 caliber glock


suicide bomber!
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:59:17 PM EST
Originally Posted By OilyPablo:
Originally Posted By tweeter:
Originally Posted By OilyPablo:
I fail to see the problem here.


I'm trying to understand what you're writing here.

Elaborate if you would please.


Apparently some folks here don't understand sarcastic schadenfreude.



Probably not, but we do understand newbie douchebag speak.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 3:01:18 PM EST

Originally Posted By RustedAce:

Originally Posted By raven:

Originally Posted By OilyPablo:
I fail to see the problem here.

Greece was built by immigrants

The Dorians are racist foreign interlopers, Mycenae forever!
oh, ARFCOM really needs a +1 button. well played

Link Posted: 11/18/2012 3:02:29 PM EST
Originally Posted By ikor:
Originally Posted By OilyPablo:
I fail to see the problem here.


Ditto



I'll mark both of you down as pro-cold-blooded-murder.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 3:03:11 PM EST
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Originally Posted By raven:

Originally Posted By Mach:
This is human nature as evidenced by human history.

The only thing that keeps people from banding together along, cultural, racial, ethnic lines and killing each other is the thin veil of an abundant society.

As soon as things get tight, there is a percentage of people that will band together, blame another group and be violent.

If things get bad here where the FSA diesn't get what they think they are entitled too, it will hapen here too.


Yep. You are 100% right.


+1

Violence against immigrants/foreigners is extremely predictable when the economy goes to hell.




I'll kick your ass Dutchman.

Well ...not now...but you know if we can't pay the cable bill. Then look out.


Link Posted: 11/18/2012 3:04:03 PM EST
Originally Posted By Swoosh101:
Originally Posted By colklink:
Originally Posted By PogueMahone:
Originally Posted By colklink:
Originally Posted By OilyPablo:
I fail to see the problem here.


Really? Dude was not harming anyone and was attacked? You dont see the problem with that?




Maybe he knows the story of the camel and the tent.


Illegal immigration pisses me off as much as anyone, but if I saw that shit going on I would aquaint the thugs with the story of the angry fucking redneck and his .40 caliber glock


suicide bomber!






Link Posted: 11/18/2012 3:05:03 PM EST
my first thought is, who the fuck immigrates to greece. most people just visit greece.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 3:05:42 PM EST
Originally Posted By TheAvatar9265ft:
Originally Posted By ikor:
Originally Posted By OilyPablo:
I fail to see the problem here.


Ditto



I'll mark both of you down as pro-cold-blooded-murder.


Sure.

Mr. Rahimi survived and is staying put for now.


I'll put some of you down for not being able to read or understand much beyond first level humor.

Link Posted: 11/18/2012 3:07:54 PM EST
I'm not shocked or surprised.

I am interested in what this will translate into politically, esp. for secessionist movements within Europe.

Link Posted: 11/18/2012 3:09:30 PM EST
I agree with the quote below, also I must stand up for the Afghan. For an individual Afghan to get out of Afghanistan takes a lot of work. One immigrant vs. 4... immigrant "wins".
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Originally Posted By raven:

Originally Posted By Mach:
This is human nature as evidenced by human history.

The only thing that keeps people from banding together along, cultural, racial, ethnic lines and killing each other is the thin veil of an abundant society.

As soon as things get tight, there is a percentage of people that will band together, blame another group and be violent.

If things get bad here where the FSA diesn't get what they think they are entitled too, it will hapen here too.


Yep. You are 100% right.


+1

Violence against immigrants/foreigners is extremely predictable when the economy goes to hell.


Link Posted: 11/18/2012 3:14:35 PM EST
Originally Posted By midwinter:
For an individual Afghan to get out of Afghanistan takes a lot of work. One immigrant vs. 4... immigrant "wins".


I agree. Also - If immigrant is armed, makes things more difficult for thugs.


Link Posted: 11/18/2012 3:15:17 PM EST
Originally Posted By Atomic_Ferret:
Originally Posted By Gmezz4:
Coming to a metropolitan area near you!


Only it will be the immigrants beating up the gringos.

Actually the chicanos and immigrants already beat the fuck out of each other pretty often, it's weird. But, as long as they stay occupado with each other it's fine by me.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 3:17:21 PM EST
Originally Posted By OilyPablo:
I fail to see the problem here.


So it's OK for someone who is engaged in peaceful activity to be attacked?

The problem is the austerity measures imposed by the technocrats who run Greece. Austerity is going to happen here too.
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