National Gas Prices, WTF Over?

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Posted: 4/13/2006 3:33:57 AM EDT

National Gas Prices

MI and NY have the top 2 highest average gas prices

On average I spend about $60-$100 a month on gas, which is FAR FAR FAR FAR less than what I spend on ammo and mags

but WTF is going on that is making my gas almost $2.80/gal?

Posted: 4/13/2006 7:17:04 AM EDT

[#1]

you already know the answer....

its bushes fault

Posted: 4/13/2006 7:20:37 AM EDT

[#2]

In the case of Michigan, it's all Ohio's fault. You know you want to say it.
In the case of New York, it's Jersey's fault. Everybody knows it.

Posted: 4/13/2006 7:22:38 AM EDT

[#3]

did you buy less gas the last time it went up to $3?

Posted: 4/13/2006 7:25:41 AM EDT

[#4]

Michigan...Last in economy.

Michigan...First in Unemployement.

Michigan...2nd to worst roads to Mass.

Michigan..Highest Single Business tax ( want to add an employee, pay a tax. Want to add benefits, pay a tax)

Michigan...The Dem's have ran us to long..Gas taxes are another proof of that.

I am spending about 90-100 per week in fuel now. I sold one of my businesses because I got sick of the profits going into the pockets of the tax collectors and oil companies.

Posted: 4/13/2006 7:27:46 AM EDT

[#5]

I paid out a little under $600 last month for gas.....

Posted: 4/13/2006 7:39:09 AM EDT

[#6]

I think we are being screwed on many fronts.

Market speculation is really hurting us.

Iran is doing us no good.

Tree huggers that force us to use foreign oil.

Politicians that listen to the tree huggers.

I personally don't have a problem with oil companies making record profits. Who here was sending money to the oil companies in the mid to late 90's when gas was $0.89/gal and the oil companies were losing tons of money. With massive profits comes massive dividends.

Posted: 4/13/2006 7:56:42 AM EDT

[#7]

I think that you should take this topic up with Kerry Lyle, Director, Research Coordinator here

Posted: 4/13/2006 7:58:53 AM EDT

[#8]

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Michigan...Last in economy.

Michigan...First in Unemployement.

Michigan...2nd to worst roads to Mass.

Michigan..Highest Single Business tax ( want to add an employee, pay a tax. Want to add benefits, pay a tax)

Michigan...The Dem's have ran us to long..Gas taxes are another proof of that.

I am spending about 90-100 per week in fuel now. I sold one of my businesses because I got sick of the profits going into the pockets of the tax collectors and oil companies.

Michigan - Yet another spotlight on socialist utopia

Posted: 4/13/2006 8:06:06 AM EDT

[#9]

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I think we are being screwed on many fronts.

Tree huggers that force us to use foreign oil.

Politicians that listen to the tree huggers.

You should love the tree huggers. See right now we are pumping the middle east dry of oil. When theirs is all gone and they are back to riding horses we'll still have our domestic supply available. And I don't think the tree hugging laws will last 5 min when it's either drill or ride a horse here.

Posted: 4/13/2006 8:37:51 AM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
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I think we are being screwed on many fronts.

Tree huggers that force us to use foreign oil.

Politicians that listen to the tree huggers.

You should love the tree huggers. See right now we are pumping the middle east dry of oil. When theirs is all gone and they are back to riding horses we'll still have our domestic supply available. And I don't think the tree hugging laws will last 5 min when it's either drill or ride a horse here.

I don't buy into that premise. There are some major flaws with that line of thinking. They will use all the money we are feeding them into organizations like Ha mas and Al Qaeda which then use it against us. Or as they see that they are running out of oil (if you believe that they are going to run dry) they will build reactors and thus not be with out some power.

I don't think the oil is going to dry up any time soon. Is there a high demand? Yes. Are they running at capacity? Who knows, why would they ever tell their true capacity to produce. That way they would always have control of the flow.

Oil is a global commodity and it can be produced from many other sources that the Middle East. So we are being played the fool because we are not selling our oil on the market, instead we are spending billions for oil and after it is used we have nothing to show for it except some really rich folks that don't like us much and have nothing better to do than plan our destruction.

Posted: 4/13/2006 8:44:28 AM EDT

[#11]

the world will never (make sure you hear me right) NEVER run out of oil. there will NEVER be the day where someone walks into the last pumping station on earth and pumps the last drop of oil out of the ground. there will ALWAYS be oil available. what will drive us away from it will be that the cost outweighs the benefits of using it vs an alternative. look at coal. back during the 1800s and up until the first half of the 20th century, coal was the major energy product. then oil caught on. oil was cheaper to get, cheaper to use, and provided more benefit for the buck than coal. there is still plenty of coal around, and always will be, just how oil will go.

the question is: how much is too much to pay for oil? and that has yet to be seen

Posted: 4/13/2006 8:46:11 AM EDT

[#12]

Ready for a 3$ per gallon? The sky is falling. I need to put gas in my car NOW.

Posted: 4/13/2006 8:47:01 AM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:
Quoted:
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I think we are being screwed on many fronts.

Tree huggers that force us to use foreign oil.

Politicians that listen to the tree huggers.

You should love the tree huggers. See right now we are pumping the middle east dry of oil. When theirs is all gone and they are back to riding horses we'll still have our domestic supply available. And I don't think the tree hugging laws will last 5 min when it's either drill or ride a horse here.

I don't buy into that premise. There are some major flaws with that line of thinking. They will use all the money we are feeding them into organizations like Ha mas and Al Qaeda which then use it against us. Or as they see that they are running out of oil (if you believe that they are going to run dry) they will build reactors and thus not be with out some power.

I don't think the oil is going to dry up any time soon. Is there a high demand? Yes. Are they running at capacity? Who knows, why would they ever tell their true capacity to produce. That way they would always have control of the flow.

Oil is a global commodity and it can be produced from many other sources that the Middle East. So we are being played the fool because we are not selling our oil on the market, instead we are spending billions for oil and after it is used we have nothing to show for it except some really rich folks that don't like us much and have nothing better to do than plan our destruction.

Getting closer to the truth. The real problem is the antiquated environmental regulations on gasoline. No longer do we have a nation of carburated cars with mechanical fuel pumps. We can and should gut the vapor pressure cap on summer blends. It will not matter one bit because in the ground level ozone non-attainment areas, they have already mandated dispensing mechanism vapor control measures...that boot and vapor recovery system seen at the nozzle.

Then they need to do away with the stupid oxygenate requirement because the National Academy of Sciences had determined in 1999 that modern, fuel injected cars do not benefit from this addition. Duh, about 95% of the cars on the road today are such vehicles.

The oxygenate requirement is further increasing prices because the old chemical, MTBE, is being phased out thanks to many class-action suits stemming from ground water contamination. MTBE is far better than alcohol as it allows a blend to meet vapor pressure limits and makes a fuel with a longer shelf life.

Now that MTBE will be gone by May 6th, pipeline terminals must have an even smaller inventory to prevent storage problems. And smaller inventories are more prone to price hikes.

Posted: 4/13/2006 9:02:02 AM EDT

[#14]

Greed. Pure and simple. Because the oil executives think we are peons and will keep buying it no matter how high the gouging goes.

Looks like they are right.

Posted: 4/13/2006 9:04:23 AM EDT

[#15]

Michigan's problem is that we're blessed with gas taxed by percent, rather than by gallon. So, the higher it goes, the bigger the difference between prices we pay and everyone else pays in non-shitty states.

That and I think they just recently passed more Ethanol mandates, which are bullshit, raising the price of fuel and lowering fuel economy. I bring a 5 gallon can of gas nearly every time I go to Ohio, and I fill up in Toledo. The gas is better and cheaper.

Posted: 4/13/2006 9:08:49 AM EDT

[#16]

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Greed. Pure and simple. Because the oil executives think we are peons and will keep buying it no matter how high the gouging goes.

Looks like they are right.

Its greed on your part. There is a LIMIT to how much gasoline is on the market. If prices didn't rise, you would be waiting in line for HOURS to buy 5 gallons. We had this before, back in the 1970s when prices didn't rise in response to shortages.

The problem is too many regulations and changing laws. Get rid of the vapor pressure cap and the oxygenate requirements and the shortage goes away.

Bet you DIDN'T know MTBE, the most common oxygenate, will be completely phased out by May 6th. That is doing the most harm to the supply.

Posted: 4/13/2006 9:12:19 AM EDT

[#17]

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Michigan's problem is that we're blessed with gas taxed by percent, rather than by gallon. So, the higher it goes, the bigger the difference between prices we pay and everyone else pays in non-shitty states.

That and I think they just recently passed more Ethanol mandates, which are bullshit, raising the price of fuel and lowering fuel economy. I bring a 5 gallon can of gas nearly every time I go to Ohio, and I fill up in Toledo. The gas is better and cheaper.

I wasn't born and raised in MI so I don't quite follow the OH bashing. That said, I filled up with Ohio Sunoco on the "Ohio turnpike" (which should be a fucking free road since it is known as I-80 in other states, instead I get graced with a $6+ toll) and the gas mileage wasn't anything to write home about. I am using the 10% ethanol blended Sunoco here in SE MI and get about 13-14 mpg in the city. I should be getting 16-18 mpg but the other gas that I've tried (no ethanol blending) didn't show any signs of improvement. I stick with Sunoco because their gas seems to be of good quality.

I have minimized my driving significantly to reduce on fuel usage. I pay at MOST $100 a month (that's with gas in the $3-$4/gal range) for my daily driver.

Posted: 4/13/2006 9:24:58 AM EDT

[#18]

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That and I think they just recently passed more Ethanol mandates, which are bullshit, raising the price of fuel and lowering fuel economy. ...

No, there are many class action lawsuits against the refiners who used MTBE as an EPA mandated oxygenate. Why? Because MTBE stores well, does not corrode fuel systems, improves octane and has the least effect on mileage. But it contaminates groundwater since it is more soluable in water.

By May 6th, all refiners and blenders will quit using this oxygenate BUT they must still maintain the oxygenate levels, hence the run on ethanol. But since ethanol cannot be added to gasoline for the summer blend market, other, more expensive oxygenates must be used.

And that is why gasoline is so high.

Posted: 4/13/2006 9:26:18 AM EDT

[#19]

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Michigan...Last in economy.

Michigan...First in Unemployement.

Michigan...2nd to worst roads to Mass.

Michigan..Highest Single Business tax ( want to add an employee, pay a tax. Want to add benefits, pay a tax)

Michigan...The Dem's have ran us to long..Gas taxes are another proof of that.

I am spending about 90-100 per week in fuel now. I sold one of my businesses because I got sick of the profits going into the pockets of the tax collectors and oil companies.

Michigan - Yet another spotlight on socialist utopia

But at least we don't have pointless AWB's and we can also own Class III's