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Link Posted: 7/14/2022 2:26:12 PM EST
[#1]
UP has pretty much drained the well of eligible employees they historically seek out to the point that they now have implemented a "Second Chance" program in order to recruit and hire felons,  

brownells
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 2:36:32 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Bubbles:
Honest question - how would the RR react if newer employees who were unencumbered by golden handcuffs simply found new jobs and split with no notice?
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Lol, that’s already the new reality.

They don’t seem to give much of a fuck.

Like it’s part of a plan.

Hmmmmmm…..
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 2:39:45 PM EST
[#3]
Another thing for the Biden administration to mismanage into complete failure.

At this point I'm fully expecting things to get much, much worse and in the interest of the long game I'm rooting for it.

The Biden administration is much like a pregnant man.

1. It's so stupid, it can't be taken seriously.

2. It needs to get a whole lot worse before it can get any better.
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 2:43:41 PM EST
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Bring it on already.





Link Posted: 7/14/2022 2:46:55 PM EST
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Originally Posted By joemama74:
Pull up the tracks, sell it for scrap and deed the property back to the states for roads and park trails.
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Assuming this was a joke.
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 2:47:42 PM EST
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Is this going to be a one or two day strike, come to an agreement and we're all unhappy with the outcome but back moving?

Help  me....or is this going to be long and drawn out?
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 3:16:53 PM EST
[#7]
I’m sure our Transportation Secretary can handle this easily.
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 3:19:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By plowboy:
I’m sure our Transportation Secretary can handle this easily.
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There you go, bahahahahahahahah
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 3:23:26 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TheKill:


NO.  Railroad employees have railroad retirement, NOT "pensions".  It's a government administered retirement with two tiers: Tier 1 is essentially the same as SS, and pays out the same, then there is "Tier II" which is an additional annuity on top of that.  However, the system is not taxpayer dependent, it's 100% solvent and funded by the workers, and the railroad companies.  It's TOTALLY SOLVENT!  And I worked in the industry for 26 years so far, railroad guys earn the shit out of that retirement.

Guess what politicians is famous for proposing to eliminate Railroad Retirement and just roll the funds and retirees into Social Security?  With a BIG hit in retirement pay for retirees?

PAUL FUCKING RYAN (R).
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At some point it’s going to be necessary to expand social security to all employed persons nationwide. Including railroad and government employees.
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 3:28:33 PM EST
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Are talks underway? Are they even close?
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 3:29:22 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TheKill:


NO.  Railroad employees have railroad retirement, NOT "pensions".  It's a government administered retirement with two tiers: Tier 1 is essentially the same as SS, and pays out the same, then there is "Tier II" which is an additional annuity on top of that.  However, the system is not taxpayer dependent, it's 100% solvent and funded by the workers, and the railroad companies.  It's TOTALLY SOLVENT!  And I worked in the industry for 26 years so far, railroad guys earn the shit out of that retirement.

Guess what politicians is famous for proposing to eliminate Railroad Retirement and just roll the funds and retirees into Social Security?  With a BIG hit in retirement pay for retirees?

PAUL FUCKING RYAN (R).
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He was humbled after RailPAC sat him down and educated him. No one in Congress is currently proposing any RRR changes.
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 3:31:54 PM EST
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Alfred E. Neuman's (aka Pete Buttegeig)
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 3:33:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By yodude:
Is this going to be a one or two day strike, come to an agreement and we're all unhappy with the outcome but back moving?

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Biden will most likely intervene before the weekend and extend this 60 days.
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 3:35:23 PM EST
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Originally Posted By cosmo05:
Bring it!  Burn this shit down!
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Link Posted: 7/14/2022 3:36:03 PM EST
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Originally Posted By juan223:
UP has pretty much drained the well of eligible employees they historically seek out to the point that they now have implemented a "Second Chance" program in order to recruit and hire felons,  

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That’s because Lantz and the rest of his team are beyond  woke.
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 3:37:57 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott:


At some point it’s going to be necessary to expand social security to all employed persons nationwide. Including railroad and government employees.
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Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott:
Originally Posted By TheKill:


NO.  Railroad employees have railroad retirement, NOT "pensions".  It's a government administered retirement with two tiers: Tier 1 is essentially the same as SS, and pays out the same, then there is "Tier II" which is an additional annuity on top of that.  However, the system is not taxpayer dependent, it's 100% solvent and funded by the workers, and the railroad companies.  It's TOTALLY SOLVENT!  And I worked in the industry for 26 years so far, railroad guys earn the shit out of that retirement.

Guess what politicians is famous for proposing to eliminate Railroad Retirement and just roll the funds and retirees into Social Security?  With a BIG hit in retirement pay for retirees?

PAUL FUCKING RYAN (R).


At some point it’s going to be necessary to expand social security to all employed persons nationwide. Including railroad and government employees.


So set a date, and anyone hired out on or after that date goes into 100% social security.  Anyone hired out before that date gets the Railroad Retirement they were promised.  

The idea of just rolling RRR funds into SS and converting everyone over in mid career or later would be immoral cheating on a grand scale.
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 3:41:18 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TheKill:


So set a date, and anyone hired out on or after that date goes into 100% social security.  Anyone hired out before that date gets the Railroad Retirement they were promised.  

The idea of just rolling RRR funds into SS and converting everyone over in mid career or later would be immoral cheating on a grand scale.
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Nah, just add social security on top. They can keep the railroad retirement too.
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 3:41:58 PM EST
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Originally Posted By plowboy:
I’m sure our Transportation Secretary can handle this easily.
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Well he loves trains.
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 3:43:57 PM EST
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Trains are substantially safer than trucks. Much more rail should move by rain.
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That would certainly be green energy.
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 3:45:03 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TheKill:  

The idea of just rolling RRR funds into SS and converting everyone over in mid career or later would be immoral cheating on a grand scale.
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…and it would start a MASS exodus from all railroads unless salaries are significantly raised.
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 3:53:50 PM EST
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Originally Posted By cosmo05:
Bring it!  Burn this shit down!

Another catastrophe brough to you by Xiden and his union puppet masters.
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This is where I am, the faster the wheels come off this bitch the better.
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 3:55:03 PM EST
[#22]
Tell any striking worker that their punishment will be one on one time with Buttigieg.

Strike averted.
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 3:55:53 PM EST
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Yes, for three years.  There are many steps this process goes through to get to this point.  We'll find out if the next step goes live at Midnight Monday Morning.


Otherwise, nervous Signalman checking in.
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 4:12:36 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Bravo32:


That would certainly be green energy.
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Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott:


Trains are substantially safer than trucks. Much more rail should move by rain.


That would certainly be green energy.


LOL I meant freight. Posting while distracted.
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 4:16:17 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott:

Nah, just add social security on top. They can keep the railroad retirement too.
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Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott:
Originally Posted By TheKill:


So set a date, and anyone hired out on or after that date goes into 100% social security.  Anyone hired out before that date gets the Railroad Retirement they were promised.  

The idea of just rolling RRR funds into SS and converting everyone over in mid career or later would be immoral cheating on a grand scale.

Nah, just add social security on top. They can keep the railroad retirement too.


Tier I IS social security, it's even calculated the same.  It's just administered by the RRR Board and the money to pay for it comes from a different pool: a fund that is property of the carriers and the employees who both contribute.  As does the additional Tier II, which has it's own calculation to determine the additional monthly annuity payment.
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 4:29:34 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TheKill:


Tier I IS social security, it's even calculated the same.  It's just administered by the RRR Board and the money to pay for it comes from a different pool: a fund that is property of the carriers and the employees who both contribute.  As does the additional Tier II, which has it's own calculation to determine the additional monthly annuity payment.
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It may be social security but it isn’t Social Security. Yes it largely follows the same rules, yes it is slightly more generous. The issue is that cutting so many workers with above average salaries (not that railroad employees aren’t underpaid presently) out of social security is a cause of it’s insolvency.
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 4:58:46 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott:

It may be social security but it isn’t Social Security. Yes it largely follows the same rules, yes it is slightly more generous. The issue is that cutting so many workers with above average salaries (not that railroad employees aren’t underpaid presently) out of social security is a cause of it’s insolvency.
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Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott:
Originally Posted By TheKill:


Tier I IS social security, it's even calculated the same.  It's just administered by the RRR Board and the money to pay for it comes from a different pool: a fund that is property of the carriers and the employees who both contribute.  As does the additional Tier II, which has it's own calculation to determine the additional monthly annuity payment.

It may be social security but it isn’t Social Security. Yes it largely follows the same rules, yes it is slightly more generous. The issue is that cutting so many workers with above average salaries (not that railroad employees aren’t underpaid presently) out of social security is a cause of it’s insolvency.


Railroad employees weren’t cut out of Social Security. RRB predates SS. SS was actually patterned on RRB Tier 1.

RRB is an example of a government program that actually works. It and its participants shouldn’t be fucked over because SS doesn’t.
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 5:00:04 PM EST
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Everyone likes to say that railroad retirement is great.  It is good, but they fail to mention the extra 4.9% that is deducted from the employees paycheck.  If you saved an extra 4.9% of your pay and put it into your 401k you'd have a good retirement too.

I'm just glad they changed the rules and allowed Tier II vesting after 5 years so when I left the railroad my 6 years of Tier II contributions didn't get forfeited.  Of course I haven't collected any as I'm not retired yet, so I guess that is yet to be determined.

Link Posted: 7/14/2022 5:01:03 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Boomer:


Railroad employees weren’t cut out of Social Security. RRB predates SS. SS was actually patterned on RRB Tier 1.

RRB is an example of a government program that actually works. It and its participants shouldn’t be fucked over because SS doesn’t.
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Cut out can mean that they were removed from or as in this instance, that social security was designed to exclude them.

RRB only works because it has a payer pool that others can’t have. If my industry had our own system it would be fantastic. That’s not how it works.

And yes, they should go for the same ride as every other worker.
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 5:02:29 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DrkSide06:
If the job and wages are so horrible why do the workers stay?
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Link Posted: 7/14/2022 5:03:57 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott:


Cut out can mean that they were removed from or as in this instance, that social security was designed to exclude them.

RRB only works because it has a payer pool that others can’t have. If my industry had our own system it would be fantastic. That’s not how it works.

And yes, they should go for the same ride as every other worker.
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Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott:
Originally Posted By Boomer:


Railroad employees weren’t cut out of Social Security. RRB predates SS. SS was actually patterned on RRB Tier 1.

RRB is an example of a government program that actually works. It and its participants shouldn’t be fucked over because SS doesn’t.


Cut out can mean that they were removed from or as in this instance, that social security was designed to exclude them.

RRB only works because it has a payer pool that others can’t have. If my industry had our own system it would be fantastic. That’s not how it works.

And yes, they should go for the same ride as every other worker.


The railroads are all hiring. Come see how fantastic it is.
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 5:04:50 PM EST
[#32]
Imagine all the diesel that will be saved if there is a strike.
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 5:06:27 PM EST
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Originally Posted By nightrain5:
Everyone likes to say that railroad retirement is great.  It is good, but they fail to mention the extra 4.9% that is deducted from the employees paycheck.  If you saved an extra 4.9% of your pay and put it into your 401k you'd have a good retirement too.

I'm just glad they changed the rules and allowed Tier II vesting after 5 years so when I left the railroad my 6 years of Tier II contributions didn't get forfeited.  Of course I haven't collected any as I'm not retired yet, so I guess that is yet to be determined.

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I got nearly 17 years in shortlines before getting out of the RR and going to a related sector.
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 5:07:44 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Third_Rail:


Twenty two dollars a fucking hour.

ETA: Assuming you work only the "standard" hours. Which you can't. The average salary - again going by 160 hour months - is $27.
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Going to go ahead and disagree with you here.

The railroads really do treat employees like shit - used as hard as possible as often as possible past all reason and then dumped. Going from one bleary-eyed day long shift into another with a "lovely' two or four hour break in between isn't exactly uncommon.

Hire more people? Perish the thought. Pay more to encourage more applicants? We're not made of money! You need sick/bereavement leave? Prepare to be punished heavily.

It's bad. It's really goddamn bad.

ETA: Here's the comment from the last thread's linked article that really lays it all out.



Sounds horrible. I thought my jobs points system were bad.

Whats the base pay thats going to go up by 47% in 5 years?


Twenty two dollars a fucking hour.

ETA: Assuming you work only the "standard" hours. Which you can't. The average salary - again going by 160 hour months - is $27.


As a parts counterman in a union stealership, Imake way better than that.
Christ, I thought railroad dudes and dudettes made bank at the hourly rate.

Link Posted: 7/14/2022 5:09:23 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott:


Cut out can mean that they were removed from or as in this instance, that social security was designed to exclude them.

RRB only works because it has a payer pool that others can’t have. If my industry had our own system it would be fantastic. That’s not how it works.

And yes, they should go for the same ride as every other worker.
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Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott:
Originally Posted By Boomer:


Railroad employees weren’t cut out of Social Security. RRB predates SS. SS was actually patterned on RRB Tier 1.

RRB is an example of a government program that actually works. It and its participants shouldn’t be fucked over because SS doesn’t.


Cut out can mean that they were removed from or as in this instance, that social security was designed to exclude them.

RRB only works because it has a payer pool that others can’t have. If my industry had our own system it would be fantastic. That’s not how it works.

And yes, they should go for the same ride as every other worker.


Yeah, that's not classic fucking communist envy lol.

"Let's dump the system that works, and dump all those who are doing well into the system that's fucked up and financially upside down, so all that new money can also wind up as health care for illegals, kickbacks to the Congresscritters, and going to the Ukraine as foreign aid."  WUT?
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 5:11:43 PM EST
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Originally Posted By stinkypol:


As a parts counterman in a union stealership, Imake way better than that.
Christ, I thought railroad dudes and dudettes made bank at the hourly rate.

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Originally Posted By Third_Rail:
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Originally Posted By Third_Rail:


Going to go ahead and disagree with you here.

The railroads really do treat employees like shit - used as hard as possible as often as possible past all reason and then dumped. Going from one bleary-eyed day long shift into another with a "lovely' two or four hour break in between isn't exactly uncommon.

Hire more people? Perish the thought. Pay more to encourage more applicants? We're not made of money! You need sick/bereavement leave? Prepare to be punished heavily.

It's bad. It's really goddamn bad.

ETA: Here's the comment from the last thread's linked article that really lays it all out.



Sounds horrible. I thought my jobs points system were bad.

Whats the base pay thats going to go up by 47% in 5 years?


Twenty two dollars a fucking hour.

ETA: Assuming you work only the "standard" hours. Which you can't. The average salary - again going by 160 hour months - is $27.


As a parts counterman in a union stealership, Imake way better than that.
Christ, I thought railroad dudes and dudettes made bank at the hourly rate.




It's actually a function of hourly rate, AND number of hours worked.  12-14hrs per trip, minimum rest, rinse and repeat.  The first three years of even my shortline career was 75-80+ hour per week paychecks.  Too bad I was only making $7.60 per hour!    But even then it was close to $40k a year, which was bomb money for a 24 yo high school dropout with no education or skills.  I didn't notice how much of my life passed me by until much later.  
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 5:11:50 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TheKill:


Yeah, that's not classic fucking communist envy lol.

"Let's dump the system that works, and dump all those who are doing well into the system that's fucked up and financially upside down, so all that new money can also wind up as health care for illegals, kickbacks to the Congresscritters, and going to the Ukraine as foreign aid."  WUT?
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The system that’s financially fucked gets to continue that way in part because some people who might otherwise demand reform are excluded from it.

Also, social security money goes to the ponzi scheme not the general fund.
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 5:17:08 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott:


The system that’s financially fucked gets to continue that way in part because some people who might otherwise demand reform are excluded from it.

Also, social security money goes to the ponzi scheme not the general fund.
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Originally Posted By TheKill:


Yeah, that's not classic fucking communist envy lol.

"Let's dump the system that works, and dump all those who are doing well into the system that's fucked up and financially upside down, so all that new money can also wind up as health care for illegals, kickbacks to the Congresscritters, and going to the Ukraine as foreign aid."  WUT?


The system that’s financially fucked gets to continue that way in part because some people who might otherwise demand reform are excluded from it.

Also, social security money goes to the ponzi scheme not the general fund.


Are you REALLY claiming that, if we move the railroaders (who are currently getting totally ignored by the government while the carriers bend them over and pound it in dry, despite union representation in DC) into Social Security, they will somehow have the clout to put a stop to the plunder and restore it?  

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA­HAHA.   It's more likely the Union leadership and Congress wind up splitting the "windfall" to SS..........
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 5:24:40 PM EST
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Well he loves trains.
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Originally Posted By plowboy:
I’m sure our Transportation Secretary can handle this easily.

Well he loves trains.

The sonovabitch could have a lucrative career as head-end power, he loves them so much.
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 5:25:41 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TheKill:


Are you REALLY claiming that, if we move the railroaders (who are currently getting totally ignored by the government while the carriers bend them over and pound it in dry, despite union representation in DC) into Social Security, they will somehow have the clout to put a stop to the plunder and restore it?  

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.   It's more likely the Union leadership and Congress wind up splitting the "windfall" to SS..........
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No, I think that extending social security to railroads, governments and other exempted employers would give the public more power to reform it. Not just any particular group making a difference.
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 5:36:56 PM EST
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Expired 12/31/19

So we'll most certainly be looking at "back pay" from 1/1/20 till when the new contract is signed.
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Not sure how long old contract has been expired but the one they are working on is for 5 years but you can bet they will work under this contract for at least 8 years before the next one.



Expired 12/31/19

So we'll most certainly be looking at "back pay" from 1/1/20 till when the new contract is signed.

In 2017 we got 13.1% over FIVE years...

Hows that possible?
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Originally Posted By cosmo05:
Bring it!  Burn this shit down!

Another catastrophe brough to you by Xiden and his union puppet masters.
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As much as I despise FJB and unions, this one isn't their faults.  This is the fault of the railroad management.

Like a plane crash, this is a series of events that has lead to this.  It starts with the publicly traded railroads adopting Hunter Harrison's Precision Scheduled Railroading model, really starting in 2011 when he became the CEO of Canadian Pacific Railroad.  Harrison believed you can cut your way to prosperity, so workers lost their jobs and locomotives were stored, sold and scrapped.  Harrison then went to CSX and introduced PSR there..   All the other railroads had to adopt PSR, since their operating ratios wouldn't be as low as CSX, and their stock would not be as desirable.  It was really a race to the bottom.  PSR made Wall Street investors happy, but the workers took a hit.

Then when Covid hit, the railroads furloughed (aka, laid off) more workers.  I know one conductor that made only one trip in six months.  Not many arfcommers can afford to sit around with no job and hope for a call back to work.  Railroaders moved on to other jobs.  When the railroad called them back to work, many didn't come back.  Why give up a good job with a good environment to work in an industry where you are treated badly?

And, the railroads treat their employees like crap.  After BNSF introduced an attendance policy that penalized workers for being sick or taking vacation, over 700 trainmen left BNSF.

Right now the railroads are struggling to move freight.  In fact, they have already warned their customers that they may have to reduce shipments of items like grain and fertilizer!  That means less animal feed, and less animals, and lower crop yields.  Not good when store shelves are already bare.

The railroad workers have had enough of being treated like crap, so they are ready to strike.  I don't blame them one bit.

And what is shipped by rail?  Pretty much everything.

So far, Biden hasn't appointed a PEB (Presidential Emergency Board) that would prevent a strike on Monday, and there is no indication that he will.  He's boxed in a corner, because if he does appoint a PEB, it will be a loss for the unions that support him.  Even if he does create a PEB, it just pushes the chances out for another 30 days.  I personally think that there will be a strike for a couple of days, then a PEB will be appointed.
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It's a good thing there isn't a shortage of trucking capacity right now.
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Originally Posted By Third_Rail:


Twenty two dollars a fucking hour.

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Jesus Christ, that's terrible.
I remember reading some of the comments from railroaders in the thread we had a while back about how the RRs are fucking everyone and it's coming to a head.

Good luck to the workers, I'm not a huge fan of unions or strikes but the working conditions sound like they are exactly what is needed to fix that shit.
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I’m on the side of the workers in this one.
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Originally Posted By BTccw:
Fire everyone and start over with .gov employees?

Federalize?  

Could the RR industry become any more screwed up?
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You mean different .gun employees?
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 6:38:44 PM EST
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Originally Posted By plowboy:
I’m sure our Transportation Secretary can handle this easily.
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I’m sure he’s familiar with trains and assholes.
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 7:19:10 PM EST
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Originally Posted By nightrain5:
Everyone likes to say that railroad retirement is great.  It is good, but they fail to mention the extra 4.9% that is deducted from the employees paycheck.  If you saved an extra 4.9% of your pay and put it into your 401k you'd have a good retirement too.

I'm just glad they changed the rules and allowed Tier II vesting after 5 years so when I left the railroad my 6 years of Tier II contributions didn't get forfeited.  Of course I haven't collected any as I'm not retired yet, so I guess that is yet to be determined.

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Give the railroads some due here.  They contribute 13.1% to our Tier 2.
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 7:36:26 PM EST
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Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN:

In 2017 we got 13.1% over FIVE years...

Hows that possible?
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Originally Posted By juan223:
Originally Posted By IllardSuggins:
Not sure how long old contract has been expired but the one they are working on is for 5 years but you can bet they will work under this contract for at least 8 years before the next one.



Expired 12/31/19

So we'll most certainly be looking at "back pay" from 1/1/20 till when the new contract is signed.

In 2017 we got 13.1% over FIVE years...

Hows that possible?


The previous contract expired at the end of 2014. So the one ratified in 2017 actually started in 2015. We received backpay for 2015, 2016 and YTD 2017.
Link Posted: 7/14/2022 8:37:59 PM EST
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Going to make a huge dent in the carbon emissions up until the cities burn
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