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Posted: 4/16/2013 9:57:02 AM EDT
[#1]
You guys got some crazy shit going on up there.
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Posted: 4/16/2013 9:57:08 AM EDT
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Cops are on your side, they would never even try to take your guns - EVER !
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Posted: 4/16/2013 9:59:10 AM EDT
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First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the socialists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Catholic. Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me. |
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Posted: 4/16/2013 9:59:27 AM EDT
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Guilty until proven innocent. How can this possibly be legal?
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Posted: 4/16/2013 10:01:59 AM EDT
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Quoted: Guilty until proven innocent. How can this possibly be legal? They (judge upstate,) can temporarily revoke your pistol permit for farting too loudly in NY, then you have to go to a hearing to keep it. In the meantime you have to turn in all your handguns |
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Posted: 4/16/2013 10:02:08 AM EDT
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Guilty until proven innocent. How can this possibly be legal? Pistols are a privilege in NY not a right. 
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Posted: 4/16/2013 10:05:05 AM EDT
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Guilty until proven innocent. How can this possibly be legal? Pistols are a privilege in NY not a right. ^^^^^^^^^^^ How the hell it THAT legal? 
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Posted: 4/16/2013 10:08:01 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Guilty until proven innocent. How can this possibly be legal? Pistols are a privilege in NY not a right. ^^^^^^^^^^^ How the hell it THAT legal? Supreme Court refused to hear a case about our corrupt pistol permit system on Monday and the local and appellate Fed courts in the area always say it's fine Of course our state court judges always rule that they have the right to do what they want
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Posted: 4/16/2013 10:09:07 AM EDT
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I think this is a dupe but I'm too lazy to search for it and you are a mod and are above arfcom law
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Posted: 4/16/2013 10:23:11 AM EDT
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Quoted: I think this is a dupe but I'm too lazy to search for it and you are a mod and are above arfcom law this is the second and third guy who had their permits yanked |
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Posted: 4/16/2013 10:24:34 AM EDT
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< s i g h > |
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Posted: 4/16/2013 10:25:54 AM EDT
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Cops are on your side, they would never even try to take your guns - EVER ! uh-huh There are legitimate LE court-ordered seizures of permits and the guns on those permits on a regular basis because of disqualifying convictions or other reasons. These mental health SAFE act incidents are only going to give those opposing it ammunition to get the things shot down. Be patient and I hope someone at NYSRPA is taking notes on these incidents |
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Posted: 4/16/2013 10:26:01 AM EDT
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Fuck NY?
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Posted: 4/16/2013 10:26:37 AM EDT
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What if they responded by saying "Fuck Off and Die" ? How would the NYSP respond?
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Posted: 4/16/2013 10:27:28 AM EDT
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Cops are on your side, they would never even try to take your guns - EVER ! uh-huh There are legitimate LE court-ordered seizures of permits and the guns on those permits on a regular basis because of disqualifying convictions or other reasons. These mental health SAFE act incidents are only going to give those opposing it ammunition to get the things shot down. Be patient and I hope someone at NYSRPA is taking notes on these incidents Statements like those should be as taboo as "legitimate rape." |
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Posted: 4/16/2013 10:28:40 AM EDT
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Guilty until proven innocent. How can this possibly be legal? They (judge upstate,) can temporarily revoke your pistol permit for farting too loudly in NY, then you have to go to a hearing to keep it. In the meantime you have to turn in all your handguns And pick up that can, too, while you're at it. |
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Posted: 4/16/2013 10:30:36 AM EDT
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Quoted: What if they responded by saying "Fuck Off and Die" ? How would the NYSP respond? That's not exactly it 1-State Police write to County Clerk "You better watch out Aimless Penguin matches the description of a fucking lunatic!" County Clerk says "Oh shit! get the judge" Judge says "I knew that fucker was crazy, send him a letter telling him I just took his permit away and he better turn in his guns" 2-Poor Mr Pengiun gets a letter "Your pistol permit has been temporarily suspended, you must turn in your guns to the sheriff, you have a right to a hearing" (I have no idea what they say, I have not seen one of the letters in years) 3-If your guns are not turned in by day X the Deputies will be told "Aimless Penguin is a dangerous lunatic. The judge ordered him to turn in his guns, go get those guns or arrest him for having illegal handguns since he has no pistol permit" basically (at least upstate) you would be arrested by the Deputies employed by the County Sheriff, they would probably call first and try to talk you into coughing up your guns before unleashing the Hounds of War. |
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Posted: 4/16/2013 10:39:21 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Guilty until proven innocent. How can this possibly be legal? They (judge upstate,) can temporarily revoke your pistol permit for farting too loudly in NY, then you have to go to a hearing to keep it. In the meantime you have to turn in all your handguns sounds way better than MA. My license can be revoked by the issuing PD for so much as wiping a booger under the desk. When that happens, ALL my guns and ammunition get confiscated. |
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Posted: 4/16/2013 10:41:05 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/16/2013 10:42:11 AM EDT
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Great, my last name is Brown.
I'll probably get bi-monthly letters. |
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Posted: 4/16/2013 11:21:07 AM EDT
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What if they responded by saying "Fuck Off and Die" ? How would the NYSP respond? That's not exactly it 1-State Police write to County Clerk "You better watch out Aimless Penguin matches the description of a fucking lunatic!" County Clerk says "Oh shit! get the judge" Judge says "I knew that fucker was crazy, send him a letter telling him I just took his permit away and he better turn in his guns" 2-Poor Mr Pengiun gets a letter "Your pistol permit has been temporarily suspended, you must turn in your guns to the sheriff, you have a right to a hearing" (I have no idea what they say, I have not seen one of the letters in years) 3-If your guns are not turned in by day X the Deputies will be told "Aimless Penguin is a dangerous lunatic. The judge ordered him to turn in his guns, go get those guns or arrest him for having illegal handguns since he has no pistol permit" basically (at least upstate) you would be arrested by the Deputies employed by the County Sheriff, they would probably call first and try to talk you into coughing up your guns before unleashing the Hounds of War. So it's not like the case in NJ where the police are at your house asking to see your stuff without a warrant; a judge has already revoked your permit (without due process) and you are technically in violation of NYS firearms law, but you are extended a "grace period" to give up without a fight. I wonder how long before some enforcers start eating lead over this shit. |
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Posted: 4/16/2013 11:23:15 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Guilty until proven innocent. How can this possibly be legal? Pistols are a privilege in NY not a right. The cases that say that are pre-Heller. |
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Posted: 4/16/2013 11:26:15 AM EDT
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Bloomberg is the biggest mentally ill person in NY.
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Posted: 4/16/2013 11:34:15 AM EDT
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Bloomberg is the biggest mentally ill person in NY. But he doesn't own any guns. He just keeps a posse of NYPD detectives around himself at all times so he's good to go. |
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Posted: 4/16/2013 11:40:13 AM EDT
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This is probably why you should have all your guns co-listed if your county allows it.
If you get a letter take them all to your dad/brother/grandpa or whatevers house. |
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Posted: 4/16/2013 11:42:32 AM EDT
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When state police received only a name and approximate age, D’Amico said, his staff checked handgun permits statewide and found two men of about the same age and same name of David Lewis. The state police then contacted the Erie County clerk and another county clerk elsewhere in the state where those people lived.
The outcome was not good for either “David Lewis.” Both had their licenses suspended and guns temporarily removed, though it was eventually determined neither had mental health issues. 
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Posted: 4/16/2013 11:42:49 AM EDT
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Guilty until proven innocent. How can this possibly be legal? Pistols are a privilege in NY not a right. The cases that say that are pre-Heller. Sounds like it's pre-Hitler to me. |
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Posted: 4/16/2013 11:48:01 AM EDT
[#28]
I wish you guys could leave.
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Posted: 4/16/2013 11:49:54 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/16/2013 11:56:39 AM EDT
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Guilty until proven innocent. How can this possibly be legal? No shit. What ever hapened to due process? |
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Posted: 4/16/2013 11:58:49 AM EDT
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Guilty until proven innocent. How can this possibly be legal? They (judge upstate,) can temporarily revoke your pistol permit for farting too loudly in NY, then you have to go to a hearing to keep it. In the meantime you have to turn in all your handguns that's ok. i'm sure the cops treat your stuff with the greatest respect while they have it.
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Posted: 4/16/2013 12:00:34 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Guilty until proven innocent. How can this possibly be legal? They (judge upstate,) can temporarily revoke your pistol permit for farting too loudly in NY, then you have to go to a hearing to keep it. In the meantime you have to turn in all your handguns that's ok. i'm sure the cops treat your stuff with the greatest respect while they have it. It's notoriously difficult to get guns back from the police, and some departments have a policy of destroying guns that have been in their possession for more than a year, without any due process or court order. I've had to get orders from judges directing my county sheriff not to destroy my clients' guns. At least the judges are pretty good about that.
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Posted: 4/16/2013 12:08:37 PM EDT
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What fucking bullshit. How are the lawsuits in NYS going?
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Posted: 4/16/2013 12:26:37 PM EDT
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Guilty until proven innocent. How can this possibly be legal? They (judge upstate,) can temporarily revoke your pistol permit for farting too loudly in NY, then you have to go to a hearing to keep it. In the meantime you have to turn in all your handguns that's ok. i'm sure the cops treat your stuff with the greatest respect while they have it. It's notoriously difficult to get guns back from the police, and some departments have a policy of destroying guns that have been in their possession for more than a year, without any due process or court order. I've had to get orders from judges directing my county sheriff not to destroy my clients' guns. At least the judges are pretty good about that. do they keep the ammo, too? i can't see that not getting disappeared. |
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Posted: 4/16/2013 12:33:39 PM EDT
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What fucking bullshit. How are the lawsuits in NYS going? The U.S. Supreme Court just denied cert in the case of Kachalsky v. Cacace, which asked the question: Does New York’s handgun licensing scheme violate the Second Amendment by requiring an applicant to demonstrate "proper cause” to obtain a license to carry a concealed handgun in public? While clearly unconstitutional, it almost seems like a minor issue when compared to the anti-gun legislation that has passed this year. I wonder if the USSC is holding out for a case pertaining to the most recent gun laws enacted in NY, CT, CO, etc. I certainly hope so. As far as the current NY state lawsuits, take your pick. There are so many SAFE act suits, I've lost count. |
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Posted: 4/16/2013 12:34:27 PM EDT
[#36]
Which is why I burned my registration cards when I left Michigan and will never possess another.
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Posted: 4/16/2013 12:43:31 PM EDT
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"Name one thing you need to bury those stooopid guns for!"
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Posted: 4/16/2013 12:55:43 PM EDT
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When state police received only a name and approximate age, D’Amico said, his staff checked handgun permits statewide and found two men of about the same age and same name of David Lewis. The state police then contacted the Erie County clerk and another county clerk elsewhere in the state where those people lived.
The outcome was not good for either “David Lewis.” Both had their licenses suspended and guns temporarily removed, though it was eventually determined neither had mental health issues. I'm glad the State of New York has such a sophisticated identification system that people having the same name causes no confusion so that innocent handgun owners would never be deprived of their rights by accident. Not like they could use social security numbers, because we know that those are so commonly mistaken for someone else's number. |
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Posted: 4/16/2013 1:00:07 PM EDT
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Quoted: Aim, do you have to have a "pistol permit" to own guns kept at home in NYS?Quoted: What if they responded by saying "Fuck Off and Die" ? How would the NYSP respond? That's not exactly it 1-State Police write to County Clerk "You better watch out Aimless Penguin matches the description of a fucking lunatic!" County Clerk says "Oh shit! get the judge" Judge says "I knew that fucker was crazy, send him a letter telling him I just took his permit away and he better turn in his guns" 2-Poor Mr Pengiun gets a letter "Your pistol permit has been temporarily suspended, you must turn in your guns to the sheriff, you have a right to a hearing" (I have no idea what they say, I have not seen one of the letters in years) 3-If your guns are not turned in by day X the Deputies will be told "Aimless Penguin is a dangerous lunatic. The judge ordered him to turn in his guns, go get those guns or arrest him for having illegal handguns since he has no pistol permit" basically (at least upstate) you would be arrested by the Deputies employed by the County Sheriff, they would probably call first and try to talk you into coughing up your guns before unleashing the Hounds of War. What about long guns? |
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Posted: 4/16/2013 1:01:12 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: What fucking bullshit. How are the lawsuits in NYS going? The U.S. Supreme Court just denied cert in the case of Kachalsky v. Cacace, which asked the question: Does New York’s handgun licensing scheme violate the Second Amendment by requiring an applicant to demonstrate "proper cause” to obtain a license to carry a concealed handgun in public? While clearly unconstitutional, it almost seems like a minor issue when compared to the anti-gun legislation that has passed this year. I wonder if the USSC is holding out for a case pertaining to the most recent gun laws enacted in NY, CT, CO, etc. I certainly hope so. As far as the current NY state lawsuits, take your pick. There are so many SAFE act suits, I've lost count. My suspicion is the Court feels like if screwed up taking the gay marriage cases v. letting the drama play out more in the states and seeing how it shakes out as far as whether most states end up enacting gay marriage. The Court made a similar mistake in Roe v. Wade of leaping into the abortion fight before it had really played out completely in the states and basically stifling the debate by taking over and making up their own rules. I fear that after Sandy Hook the court decided to see how gun grabbing plays out over the next few years |
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Posted: 4/16/2013 1:03:33 PM EDT
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you couldn't pay me enough money to live in that state.
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Posted: 4/16/2013 1:03:57 PM EDT
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Quoted: What about long guns? You have to have a pistol permit to possess a pistol at all. You cannot even own one to keep in your house, you cannot legally touch one without a pistol permit. Up until the SAFE act there was no restrictions on owning long guns, anyone could buy them as long as they were otherwise legal. Now only those of us who owned them will be allowed to have them, and they have to be registered to avoid committing a crime. Basically no semi auto magazine firearms are legal now except a few hunting rifles, the Ruger mini carbines, semi auto .22s and maybe a couple of other things I am not thinking of.
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Posted: 4/16/2013 1:08:17 PM EDT
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Aim, do you have to have a "pistol permit" to own guns kept at home in NYS?
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What if they responded by saying "Fuck Off and Die" ? How would the NYSP respond? That's not exactly it 1-State Police write to County Clerk "You better watch out Aimless Penguin matches the description of a fucking lunatic!" County Clerk says "Oh shit! get the judge" Judge says "I knew that fucker was crazy, send him a letter telling him I just took his permit away and he better turn in his guns" 2-Poor Mr Pengiun gets a letter "Your pistol permit has been temporarily suspended, you must turn in your guns to the sheriff, you have a right to a hearing" (I have no idea what they say, I have not seen one of the letters in years) 3-If your guns are not turned in by day X the Deputies will be told "Aimless Penguin is a dangerous lunatic. The judge ordered him to turn in his guns, go get those guns or arrest him for having illegal handguns since he has no pistol permit" basically (at least upstate) you would be arrested by the Deputies employed by the County Sheriff, they would probably call first and try to talk you into coughing up your guns before unleashing the Hounds of War. What about long guns? In addition to needing a permit just to touch a handgun, each county can place restrictions on when you can use it. For instance. Cortland County will always issue unrestricted, meaning that anywhere in the state, except NYC I can carry concealed. My friend in Tompkins county can only get a restricted permit, meaning he can't leave the house with it unless he is going hunting or to the range. But I can go over and visit him and carry all over the county no problems. It is so stupid. |
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Posted: 4/16/2013 1:25:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/16/2013 1:31:10 PM EDT
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http://www.buffalonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130415/CITYANDREGION/130419404/1010 NYSP received a notice that "David Lewis" with an age was mentally ill. They found two men with that name who had pistol permits and wrote to both counties to have their permits revoked The guy got a letter telling him "show up and turn in your guns" had to show he was not crazy (neither gunowner was crazy) and then got his permit back Your State sucks more than mine for the moment ""CA"" |
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Posted: 4/16/2013 1:34:43 PM EDT
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Aimless, you really need to hide in the back of the Arfcom u-haul on it's way to Texas.
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Posted: 4/16/2013 1:35:18 PM EDT
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Cuomo and Bloomburg are both batshit crazy. Bet they both can still carry. 
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Posted: 4/16/2013 1:35:26 PM EDT
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One of these days a NY man will not go quietly and it won't be a pretty scene.
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Posted: 4/16/2013 1:40:51 PM EDT
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Quoted: Aimless, you really need to hide in the back of the Arfcom u-haul on it's way to Texas. I ain't scared of dem guys  |
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Posted: 4/16/2013 1:40:58 PM EDT
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What if they responded by saying "Fuck Off and Die" ? How would the NYSP respond? That's not exactly it 1-State Police write to County Clerk "You better watch out Aimless Penguin matches the description of a fucking lunatic!" County Clerk says "Oh shit! get the judge" Judge says "I knew that fucker was crazy, send him a letter telling him I just took his permit away and he better turn in his guns" 2-Poor Mr Pengiun gets a letter "Your pistol permit has been temporarily suspended, you must turn in your guns to the sheriff, you have a right to a hearing" (I have no idea what they say, I have not seen one of the letters in years) 3-If your guns are not turned in by day X the Deputies will be told "Aimless Penguin is a dangerous lunatic. The judge ordered him to turn in his guns, go get those guns or arrest him for having illegal handguns since he has no pistol permit" basically (at least upstate) you would be arrested by the Deputies employed by the County Sheriff, they would probably call first and try to talk you into coughing up your guns before unleashing the Hounds of War. Wait, you mean that isn't an accurate description? 
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