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Posted: 4/16/2013 9:55:25 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 9:57:02 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 9:57:08 AM EDT
Cops are on your side, they would never even try to take your guns - EVER !

uh-huh
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 9:59:10 AM EDT
First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Catholic.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 9:59:27 AM EDT
Guilty until proven innocent.  How can this possibly be legal?
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 10:01:59 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 10:02:08 AM EDT
Originally Posted By learath:
Guilty until proven innocent.  How can this possibly be legal?


Pistols are a privilege in NY not a right.
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 10:05:05 AM EDT
Originally Posted By scottedward58:
Originally Posted By learath:
Guilty until proven innocent.  How can this possibly be legal?


Pistols are a privilege in NY not a right.


^^^^^^^^^^^
How the hell it THAT legal?
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 10:08:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/16/2013 10:08:26 AM EDT by Aimless]
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 10:09:07 AM EDT
I think this is a dupe but I'm too lazy to search for it and you are a mod and are above arfcom law
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 10:23:11 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 10:24:34 AM EDT






< s i g h >


Link Posted: 4/16/2013 10:25:54 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ez_dust:
Cops are on your side, they would never even try to take your guns - EVER !

uh-huh


There are legitimate LE  court-ordered seizures of permits and the guns on those permits on a regular basis because of disqualifying convictions or other reasons.

These mental health SAFE act incidents are only going to give those opposing it ammunition to get the things shot down.

Be patient and I hope someone at NYSRPA is taking notes on these incidents
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 10:26:01 AM EDT
Fuck NY?
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 10:26:37 AM EDT
What if they responded by saying "Fuck Off and Die" ?  How would the NYSP respond?
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 10:27:28 AM EDT
Originally Posted By tc556guy:
Originally Posted By ez_dust:
Cops are on your side, they would never even try to take your guns - EVER !

uh-huh


There are legitimate LE  court-ordered seizures of permits and the guns on those permits on a regular basis because of disqualifying convictions or other reasons.

These mental health SAFE act incidents are only going to give those opposing it ammunition to get the things shot down.

Be patient and I hope someone at NYSRPA is taking notes on these incidents


Statements like those should be as taboo as "legitimate rape."
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 10:28:40 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By learath:
Guilty until proven innocent.  How can this possibly be legal?

They (judge upstate,) can temporarily revoke your pistol permit for farting too loudly in NY, then you have to go to a hearing to keep it. In the meantime you have to turn in all your handguns  


And pick up that can, too, while you're at it.
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 10:30:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/16/2013 10:32:23 AM EDT by Aimless]
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 10:39:21 AM EDT



Originally Posted By Aimless:





Originally Posted By learath:

Guilty until proven innocent.  How can this possibly be legal?


They (judge upstate,) can temporarily revoke your pistol permit for farting too loudly in NY, then you have to go to a hearing to keep it. In the meantime you have to turn in all your handguns  


sounds way better than MA.



My license can be revoked by the issuing PD for so much as wiping a booger under the desk. When that happens, ALL my guns and ammunition get confiscated.



 
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 10:41:05 AM EDT



Link Posted: 4/16/2013 10:42:11 AM EDT
Great, my last name is Brown.

I'll probably get bi-monthly letters.
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 11:21:07 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By Shqype:
What if they responded by saying "Fuck Off and Die" ?  How would the NYSP respond?

That's not exactly it  

1-State Police write to County Clerk "You better watch out Aimless Penguin matches the description of a fucking lunatic!" County Clerk says "Oh shit! get the judge" Judge says "I knew that fucker was crazy, send him a letter telling him I just took his permit away and he better turn in his guns"
2-Poor Mr Pengiun gets a letter "Your pistol permit has been temporarily suspended, you must turn in your guns to the sheriff, you have a right to a hearing" (I have no idea what they say, I have not seen one of the letters in years)
3-If your guns are not turned in by day X the Deputies will be told "Aimless Penguin is a dangerous lunatic. The judge ordered him to turn in his guns, go get those guns or arrest him for having illegal handguns since he has no pistol permit"


basically (at least upstate) you would be arrested by the Deputies employed by the County Sheriff, they would probably call first and try to talk you into coughing up your guns before unleashing the Hounds of War.
 


So it's not like the case in NJ where the police are at your house asking to see your stuff without a warrant; a judge has already revoked your permit (without due process) and you are technically in violation of NYS firearms law, but you are extended a "grace period" to give up without a fight.

I wonder how long before some enforcers start eating lead over this shit.
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 11:23:15 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 11:26:15 AM EDT
Bloomberg is the biggest mentally ill person in NY.
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 11:34:15 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Alex_B69:
Bloomberg is the biggest mentally ill person in NY.


But he doesn't own any guns. He just keeps a posse of NYPD detectives around himself at all times so he's good to go.
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 11:40:13 AM EDT
This is probably why you should have all your guns co-listed if your county allows it.

If you get a letter take them all to your dad/brother/grandpa or whatevers house.
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 11:42:32 AM EDT
When state police received only a name and approximate age, D’Amico said, his staff checked handgun permits statewide and found two men of about the same age and same name of David Lewis. The state police then contacted the Erie County clerk and another county clerk elsewhere in the state where those people lived.

The outcome was not good for either “David Lewis.” Both had their licenses suspended and guns temporarily removed, though it was eventually determined neither had mental health issues.


Link Posted: 4/16/2013 11:42:49 AM EDT
Originally Posted By BushBoar:

Originally Posted By scottedward58:
Originally Posted By learath:
Guilty until proven innocent.  How can this possibly be legal?


Pistols are a privilege in NY not a right.

The cases that say that are pre-Heller.  


Sounds like it's pre-Hitler to me.
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 11:48:01 AM EDT
I wish you guys could leave.
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 11:49:54 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 11:56:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By learath:
Guilty until proven innocent.  How can this possibly be legal?


No shit. What ever hapened to due process?

Link Posted: 4/16/2013 11:58:49 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By learath:
Guilty until proven innocent.  How can this possibly be legal?

They (judge upstate,) can temporarily revoke your pistol permit for farting too loudly in NY, then you have to go to a hearing to keep it. In the meantime you have to turn in all your handguns  


that's ok.
i'm sure the cops treat your stuff with the greatest respect while they have it.
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 12:00:34 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 12:08:37 PM EDT
What fucking bullshit. How are the lawsuits in NYS going?
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 12:26:37 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BushBoar:

Originally Posted By LightningII:
Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By learath:
Guilty until proven innocent.  How can this possibly be legal?

They (judge upstate,) can temporarily revoke your pistol permit for farting too loudly in NY, then you have to go to a hearing to keep it. In the meantime you have to turn in all your handguns  


that's ok.
i'm sure the cops treat your stuff with the greatest respect while they have it.

It's notoriously difficult to get guns back from the police, and some departments have a policy of destroying guns that have been in their possession for more than a year, without any due process or court order.  

I've had to get orders from judges directing my county sheriff not to destroy my clients' guns.  At least the judges are pretty good about that.


do they keep the ammo, too? i can't see that not getting disappeared.
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 12:33:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/16/2013 12:37:14 PM EDT by P400]
Originally Posted By KennyW1983:
What fucking bullshit. How are the lawsuits in NYS going?


The U.S. Supreme Court just denied cert in the case of Kachalsky v. Cacace, which asked the question: Does New York’s handgun licensing scheme violate the Second Amendment by requiring an applicant to demonstrate "proper cause” to obtain a license to carry a concealed handgun in public?

While clearly unconstitutional, it almost seems like a minor issue when compared to the anti-gun legislation that has passed this year. I wonder if the USSC is holding out for a case pertaining to the most recent gun laws enacted in NY, CT, CO, etc. I certainly hope so.

As far as the current NY state lawsuits, take your pick. There are so many SAFE act suits, I've lost count.
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 12:34:27 PM EDT
Which is why I burned my registration cards when I left Michigan and will never possess another.





Link Posted: 4/16/2013 12:43:31 PM EDT
"Name one thing you need to bury those stooopid guns for!"
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 12:55:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By P400:
When state police received only a name and approximate age, D’Amico said, his staff checked handgun permits statewide and found two men of about the same age and same name of David Lewis. The state police then contacted the Erie County clerk and another county clerk elsewhere in the state where those people lived.

The outcome was not good for either “David Lewis.” Both had their licenses suspended and guns temporarily removed, though it was eventually determined neither had mental health issues.


I'm glad the State of New York has such a sophisticated identification system that people having the same name causes no confusion so that innocent handgun owners would never be deprived of their rights by accident.  Not like they could use social security numbers, because we know that those are so commonly mistaken for someone else's number.
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 1:00:07 PM EDT



Originally Posted By Aimless:





Originally Posted By Shqype:

What if they responded by saying "Fuck Off and Die" ?  How would the NYSP respond?


That's not exactly it  



1-State Police write to County Clerk "You better watch out Aimless Penguin matches the description of a fucking lunatic!" County Clerk says "Oh shit! get the judge" Judge says "I knew that fucker was crazy, send him a letter telling him I just took his permit away and he better turn in his guns"

2-Poor Mr Pengiun gets a letter "Your pistol permit has been temporarily suspended, you must turn in your guns to the sheriff, you have a right to a hearing" (I have no idea what they say, I have not seen one of the letters in years)

3-If your guns are not turned in by day X the Deputies will be told "Aimless Penguin is a dangerous lunatic. The judge ordered him to turn in his guns, go get those guns or arrest him for having illegal handguns since he has no pistol permit"







basically (at least upstate) you would be arrested by the Deputies employed by the County Sheriff, they would probably call first and try to talk you into coughing up your guns before unleashing the Hounds of War.
 
Aim, do you have to have a "pistol permit" to own guns kept at home in NYS?



What about long guns?





 
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 1:01:12 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 1:03:33 PM EDT
you couldn't pay me enough money to live in that state.
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 1:03:57 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 1:08:17 PM EDT
Originally Posted By jrzy:

Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By Shqype:
What if they responded by saying "Fuck Off and Die" ?  How would the NYSP respond?

That's not exactly it  

1-State Police write to County Clerk "You better watch out Aimless Penguin matches the description of a fucking lunatic!" County Clerk says "Oh shit! get the judge" Judge says "I knew that fucker was crazy, send him a letter telling him I just took his permit away and he better turn in his guns"
2-Poor Mr Pengiun gets a letter "Your pistol permit has been temporarily suspended, you must turn in your guns to the sheriff, you have a right to a hearing" (I have no idea what they say, I have not seen one of the letters in years)
3-If your guns are not turned in by day X the Deputies will be told "Aimless Penguin is a dangerous lunatic. The judge ordered him to turn in his guns, go get those guns or arrest him for having illegal handguns since he has no pistol permit"


basically (at least upstate) you would be arrested by the Deputies employed by the County Sheriff, they would probably call first and try to talk you into coughing up your guns before unleashing the Hounds of War.
 
Aim, do you have to have a "pistol permit" to own guns kept at home in NYS?

What about long guns?

 


In addition to needing a permit just to touch a handgun, each county can place restrictions on when you can use it.

For instance. Cortland County will always issue unrestricted, meaning that anywhere in the state, except NYC I can carry concealed. My friend in Tompkins county can only get a restricted permit, meaning he can't leave the house with it unless he is going hunting or to the range. But I can go over and visit him and carry all over the county no problems.

It is so stupid.
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 1:25:42 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 1:31:10 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Aimless:
http://www.buffalonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130415/CITYANDREGION/130419404/1010

NYSP received a notice that "David Lewis" with an age was mentally ill. They found two men with that name who had pistol permits and wrote to both counties to have their permits revoked

The guy got a letter telling him "show up and turn in your guns" had to show he was not crazy (neither gunowner was crazy) and then got his permit back


Your State sucks more than mine for the moment
""CA""
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 1:34:43 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 1:35:18 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 1:35:26 PM EDT
One of these days a NY man  will not go quietly and it won't be a pretty scene.
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 1:40:51 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/16/2013 1:40:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By Shqype:
What if they responded by saying "Fuck Off and Die" ?  How would the NYSP respond?

That's not exactly it  

1-State Police write to County Clerk "You better watch out Aimless Penguin matches the description of a fucking lunatic!" County Clerk says "Oh shit! get the judge" Judge says "I knew that fucker was crazy, send him a letter telling him I just took his permit away and he better turn in his guns"
2-Poor Mr Pengiun gets a letter "Your pistol permit has been temporarily suspended, you must turn in your guns to the sheriff, you have a right to a hearing" (I have no idea what they say, I have not seen one of the letters in years)
3-If your guns are not turned in by day X the Deputies will be told "Aimless Penguin is a dangerous lunatic. The judge ordered him to turn in his guns, go get those guns or arrest him for having illegal handguns since he has no pistol permit"


basically (at least upstate) you would be arrested by the Deputies employed by the County Sheriff, they would probably call first and try to talk you into coughing up your guns before unleashing the Hounds of War.
 


Wait, you mean that isn't an accurate description?
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