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10/30/2020 2:42:12 PM
Posted: 12/29/2003 12:05:45 PM EST
Hell, maybe I can get a job when I get out...  what does the NYPD need a Helicopter armed with machineguns for?  They've got the 106th RQW right there that has Pavehawks with Mini-guns.....

www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/14692.htm

The incident sparked investigations by the Federal Aviation Administration and the Department of Homeland Security and had NYPD brass fuming over a dangerous gap in the city's terror-fighting capability.

But red-faced pilot Richard Langone, 47, insisted he was no terror threat in his single-engine Mooney plane.

"I was scared to death," said Langone, of Atlantic Beach, L.I., describing how an NYPD helicopter, armed with machine guns, began escorting him out of the area after he reached the Verrazano Bridge.


Link Posted: 12/29/2003 12:11:52 PM EST
That's a nice pic to the right of the article.

Yummy.
Link Posted: 12/29/2003 12:14:05 PM EST
Remember that Hollywood bank shootout where the perps had AK's and the cops had not much more than rubber stick 'em dart guns?


I often thought a single pass of an Apache with the optical sighting of the main gun would have ended that REAL quick....


"Oh, LOOK. A bad guy. He's Dead."

"Oh, LOOK. Another bad guy. He's Dead, too."

"Oh, LOOK.......... "


Link Posted: 12/29/2003 12:26:33 PM EST
Never heard of or seen one of these.  Could they mean cops with m4s with the side door open?
Link Posted: 12/29/2003 12:29:11 PM EST
Originally Posted By Hoplite:
......Could they mean cops with m4s with the side door open?
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This is what I was thinking...  But these days, ya never know.  
Link Posted: 12/29/2003 1:17:28 PM EST
IF a legit "gunship" is out there, anyone got pics?  What do you think it is?  AH-1 surplus?  AH-6? or did they go balls to the wall and get a longbow Apache?
Link Posted: 12/29/2003 1:21:31 PM EST
Yea Id like a doorgunner job as well, If I could some how live in a free state like PA.  Knowing what I do about liability and such with any non normal weapon in police hands I cant beleive that its true.  I think that what the guy saw was an ANG Hawk with Mini's.

Link Posted: 12/29/2003 1:23:46 PM EST
I don't think they'd go that far....  If they've got a bird with guns on it I'd bet it's just a Bell with some 240's or M60's in the door.  Or like you said earlier, a couple of cops with M4 sitting in the door.

DG84
Link Posted: 12/29/2003 1:26:10 PM EST
Oh my god!! Wave with a mini-gun the thought of it!!!
Link Posted: 12/29/2003 1:30:01 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/29/2003 3:22:53 PM EST by AZ-K9]
Originally Posted By doorgunner84:
what does the NYPD need a Helicopter armed with machineguns for?  They've got the 106th RQW right there that has Pavehawks with Mini-guns.....
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Yeah, and I'm sure they'd gladly send those Pavehawks out whenever the local PD asks. [rolleyes]



Link Posted: 12/29/2003 1:33:41 PM EST
Originally Posted By Hoplite:

... or did they go balls to the wall and get a longbow Apache?
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... Nope, there's a long FMS waiting list ahead of them [:D]
Link Posted: 12/29/2003 1:33:52 PM EST
hhmmm, Blue Thunder...
Link Posted: 12/29/2003 1:40:34 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/29/2003 1:40:58 PM EST by CavVet]
Originally Posted By doorgunner84:
Hell, maybe I can get a job when I get out...  what does the NYPD need a Helicopter armed with machineguns for?  They've got the 106th RQW right there that has Pavehawks with Mini-guns.....
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I [i]assume[/i] that is a .mil organization. "They" cant call them...

[url=http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-cp/comrel/factfile/Factcards/PosseComitatus.html]Posse Comitatus Act[/url]
Link Posted: 12/29/2003 1:42:34 PM EST
Originally Posted By thedave1164:
hhmmm, Blue Thunder...
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Were Blue Thunder and Airwolf made by the same company ? [BD]
Link Posted: 12/29/2003 2:01:52 PM EST
[bs2]

Sorry, I find it hard to believe...
Link Posted: 12/29/2003 2:16:23 PM EST
Originally Posted By thedave1164:
hhmmm, Blue Thunder...
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ha! ya beat me to it!
I was thinking the same thing.
Link Posted: 12/29/2003 2:29:10 PM EST
Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
That's a nice pic to the right of the article.

Yummy.
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Silly me.  I went looking for a helicopter.  BTW, I'd hit it like a freight train!
Link Posted: 12/29/2003 2:30:07 PM EST
Open doors on helicopter.
Have NYPD ESU lean out with automatic weapons.


Presto, instant "NYPD helicopter, armed with machine guns"

Link Posted: 12/29/2003 2:36:33 PM EST
:Men in Black mode: It was swamp gas, there is nothing to see here move along citizens. Look at this.. FLASH!

Link Posted: 1/1/2004 3:20:07 PM EST
[img]http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20031231/capt.nyr10612310316.new_years_security_nyr106.jpg[/img]
[b]Coast Guard officer Brett Patterson, of Jacksonville, Fla., holds a M-240 machine gun aboard a helicopter during a patrol around the Statue of Liberty in New York Harbor Tuesday, Dec. 30, 2003. The homeland security patrol flights are responses to Mayor Michael Bloomberg's request for national support during the increased terror alert threat issued by the Department of Homeland Security. (AP Photo/USCG, Mike Hvozda) [/b]

[img]http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20031231/capt.sge.sjq79.311203155940.photo01.default-413x248.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 1/1/2004 3:34:14 PM EST
"POSSE COMITATUS ACT" (18 USC 1385): A Reconstruction Era criminal law proscribing use of Army (later, Air Force) to "execute the laws" except where expressly authorized by Constitution or Congress. Limit on use of military for civilian law enforcement also applies to Navy by regulation. Dec '81 additional laws were enacted (codified 10 USC 371-78) clarifying permissible military assistance to civilian law enforcement agencies--including the Coast Guard--especially in combating drug smuggling into the United States. Posse Comitatus clarifications emphasize supportive and technical assistance (e.g., use of facilities, vessels, aircraft, intelligence, tech aid, surveillance, etc.) while generally prohibiting direct participation of DoD personnel in law enforcement (e.g., search, seizure, and arrests). For example, Coast Guard Law Enforcement Detachments (LEDETS) serve aboard Navy vessels and perform the actual boardings of interdicted suspect drug smuggling vessels and, if needed, arrest their crews). Positive results have been realized especially from Navy ship/aircraft involvement.
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Thats a thin line at face value imo without reading the parameters of 10 USC 371-78 (which I am not finding like that)

However, that same .mil link reads the following;

[url=http://www4.law.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/htm_hl?DB=uscode14&STEMMER=en&WORDS=14+141+&COLOUR=Red&STYLE=s&URL=/uscode/14/141.html#muscat_highlighter_first_match] 14 USC 141[/url] - Coast Guard cooperation with Federal/State agencies-
14 USC 143/19 USC 1401(i) - Certain Coast Guard personnel also deemed "Officers of the Customs".
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Seems like the Coast Guard has the blessing from Congress to be used, despite Posse Comitatus! [V]
Link Posted: 1/1/2004 3:39:56 PM EST
Q for the door gunner - " [i][blue]How do you shoot women & children?[/i][/blue]


Answer - " [i][blue]It's easy.   You just don't lead them as much.[/i][/blue]
Link Posted: 1/1/2004 4:36:32 PM EST
Originally Posted By CavVet:
"POSSE COMITATUS ACT" (18 USC 1385): A Reconstruction Era criminal law proscribing use of Army (later, Air Force) to "execute the laws" except where expressly authorized by Constitution or Congress. Limit on use of military for civilian law enforcement also applies to Navy by regulation. Dec '81 additional laws were enacted (codified 10 USC 371-78) clarifying permissible military assistance to civilian law enforcement agencies--including the Coast Guard--especially in combating drug smuggling into the United States. Posse Comitatus clarifications emphasize supportive and technical assistance (e.g., use of facilities, vessels, aircraft, intelligence, tech aid, surveillance, etc.) while generally prohibiting direct participation of DoD personnel in law enforcement (e.g., search, seizure, and arrests). For example, Coast Guard Law Enforcement Detachments (LEDETS) serve aboard Navy vessels and perform the actual boardings of interdicted suspect drug smuggling vessels and, if needed, arrest their crews). Positive results have been realized especially from Navy ship/aircraft involvement.
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Thats a thin line at face value imo without reading the parameters of 10 USC 371-78 (which I am not finding like that)

However, that same .mil link reads the following;

[url=http://www4.law.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/htm_hl?DB=uscode14&STEMMER=en&WORDS=14+141+&COLOUR=Red&STYLE=s&URL=/uscode/14/141.html#muscat_highlighter_first_match] 14 USC 141[/url] - Coast Guard cooperation with Federal/State agencies-
14 USC 143/19 USC 1401(i) - Certain Coast Guard personnel also deemed "Officers of the Customs".
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Seems like the Coast Guard has the blessing from Congress to be used, despite Posse Comitatus! [V]
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I'm not quite sure what your point is. The USCG is not military, except when called in time of war. They are a federal law enforcement agency. They were when they were in DOT, and they are now in DHLS. It's been this way since George Washington commissioned some ships to stop smuggling prior to the actual formation of the USCG.
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