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Posted: 9/4/2015 2:57:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2015 10:44:48 PM EDT by Extorris]
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A gun-toting Brooklyn bandit was shot, wounded and busted early Friday after a wild gunfight with cops where dozens of bullets flew — and only one found its mark, police said.

Jerrol Harris, 27, was hospitalized with a single gunshot to the calf after a running gun battle ignited when he blasted a Brooklyn man while trying to rob the victim’s SUV, police said.

A half-dozen police officers fired roughly 70 shots at Harris, who squeezed off 11 rounds from a stolen gun in return before his arrest in Bushwick.

No cops were wounded in the shootout with Harris, whose criminal past included a rap sheet dating to 2003 with arrests in Louisiana and New York.

The fleeing suspect was nabbed by cops in part because of his bright red pants, police said.
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Update: News now says 84 shots.
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Yay Glock Perfection and NY safe action 12# pulls
Link Posted: 9/4/2015 3:00:09 PM EDT
Did a newspaper really write that the guy "blasted" someone?  
Link Posted: 9/4/2015 3:02:07 PM EDT
80lb triggers and zero practice, no surprise there
Link Posted: 9/4/2015 3:02:27 PM EDT
At least no bystanders were hit
Link Posted: 9/4/2015 3:02:48 PM EDT
I heard those guys really put on an exhibition at pistol matches.
Link Posted: 9/4/2015 3:05:51 PM EDT
Oh well.
Link Posted: 9/4/2015 3:08:46 PM EDT
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No dogs harmed.....? I am calling BS on the story.

Where did the other 69 go?
Link Posted: 9/4/2015 3:10:17 PM EDT
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Lol, first thing that caught my eye, too.
Link Posted: 9/4/2015 3:14:25 PM EDT
At least the anti-cop nut jobs will be happy that the cops finally shot a perp in the leg rather than center mass.
Link Posted: 9/4/2015 3:15:25 PM EDT
Might wanna call out the precinct and have them walk the route, shoulder to shoulder...with that many rounds, gotta be some downed bystanders.    
Link Posted: 9/4/2015 3:15:28 PM EDT
Extorris-

was it really that bad in NYC that non of the officers trained with a handgun?
whats the deal with their lack of shooting skills?
Link Posted: 9/4/2015 3:15:59 PM EDT
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Today's journalists are not much more than mediocre high school students.

A.W.D.
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Originally Posted By LibertyUberAlles:
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Ben Carson will be happy.
Link Posted: 9/4/2015 3:16:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By OKnativeson:
Whats the deal with their lack of shooting skills?
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Lack of training.
I was talking with one of our LEOs here from Texas and he gets more mandatory firearms training after the academy in a 3 month period than I got in 18+ years.
Link Posted: 9/4/2015 3:16:52 PM EDT
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Hey, thats the NYPD Marksman Team of The Year you're talking about. Show some respect.
Link Posted: 9/4/2015 3:17:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Extorris:


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A gun-toting Brooklyn bandit was shot, wounded and busted early Friday after a wild gunfight with cops where dozens of bullets flew — and only one found its mark, police said.



Jerrol Harris, 27, was hospitalized with a single gunshot to the calf after a running gun battle ignited when he blasted a Brooklyn man while trying to rob the victim’s SUV, police said.



A half-dozen police officers fired roughly 70 shots at Harris, who squeezed off 11 rounds from a stolen gun in return before his arrest in Bushwick.



No cops were wounded in the shootout with Harris, whose criminal past included a rap sheet dating to 2003 with arrests in Louisiana and New York.



The fleeing suspect was nabbed by cops in part because of his bright red pants, police said.
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#outshotby11yearold

 
Link Posted: 9/4/2015 3:18:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Wiz-of-Awd:


Today's journalists are not much more than mediocre high school students.

A.W.D.
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Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:
Did a newspaper really write that the guy "blasted" someone?  


Today's journalists are not much more than mediocre high school students.

A.W.D.

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#outshotby11yearold  
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Originally Posted By Diesel_Maximus_2992:
Originally Posted By Extorris:
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A gun-toting Brooklyn bandit was shot, wounded and busted early Friday after a wild gunfight with cops where dozens of bullets flew — and only one found its mark, police said.

Jerrol Harris, 27, was hospitalized with a single gunshot to the calf after a running gun battle ignited when he blasted a Brooklyn man while trying to rob the victim’s SUV, police said.

A half-dozen police officers fired roughly 70 shots at Harris, who squeezed off 11 rounds from a stolen gun in return before his arrest in Bushwick.

No cops were wounded in the shootout with Harris, whose criminal past included a rap sheet dating to 2003 with arrests in Louisiana and New York.

The fleeing suspect was nabbed by cops in part because of his bright red pants, police said.
#outshotby11yearold  


#ohsnap
Link Posted: 9/4/2015 3:20:47 PM EDT
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This.  I read that and said WTF?

Glad nobody else was hit, sounds like NYPD needs to spend a bit more time qualifying their guys though.  That article sounded more like a Vietnam firefight than a Police incident.
Link Posted: 9/4/2015 3:20:50 PM EDT

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Surprised the term "roscoe" wasn't used.

 
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"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster by your side kid"
H. Solo, Captain
Link Posted: 9/4/2015 3:21:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mech4matsnova:
Glad nobody else was hit, sounds like NYPD needs to spend a bit more time qualifying their guys though.
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Qualifying is not training.
Link Posted: 9/4/2015 3:22:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Extorris:


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A gun-toting Brooklyn bandit was shot, wounded and busted early Friday after a wild gunfight with cops where dozens of bullets flew — and only one found its mark, police said.



Jerrol Harris, 27, was hospitalized with a single gunshot to the calf after a running gun battle ignited when he blasted a Brooklyn man while trying to rob the victim’s SUV, police said.



A half-dozen police officers fired roughly 70 shots at Harris, who squeezed off 11 rounds from a stolen gun in return before his arrest in Bushwick.



No cops were wounded in the shootout with Harris, whose criminal past included a rap sheet dating to 2003 with arrests in Louisiana and New York.



The fleeing suspect was nabbed by cops in part because of his bright red pants, police said.
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If the NYPD had missed the skel it would be 100% (0 hits out of 'roughly' 81).  As it is its a 1.2% hit rate.
Link Posted: 9/4/2015 3:22:54 PM EDT
That trigger is a bitch.
Link Posted: 9/4/2015 3:23:13 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Extorris:

Lack of training.
I was talking with one of our LEOs here from Texas and he gets more mandatory firearms training after the academy in a 3 month period than I got in 18+ years.
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Originally Posted By Extorris:
Originally Posted By OKnativeson:
Whats the deal with their lack of shooting skills?

Lack of training.
I was talking with one of our LEOs here from Texas and he gets more mandatory firearms training after the academy in a 3 month period than I got in 18+ years.

For the largest police force in the country (correct?), that's pretty messed up.
Link Posted: 9/4/2015 3:23:45 PM EDT
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New York daily news isn't a real newspaper, just a big napkin with some bright pictures and a few simple but dramatic words printed on it.





 
Link Posted: 9/4/2015 3:25:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ARBarsh:

For the largest police force in the country (correct?), that's pretty messed up.
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Originally Posted By ARBarsh:
Originally Posted By Extorris:
Originally Posted By OKnativeson:
Whats the deal with their lack of shooting skills?

Lack of training.
I was talking with one of our LEOs here from Texas and he gets more mandatory firearms training after the academy in a 3 month period than I got in 18+ years.

For the largest police force in the country (correct?), that's pretty messed up.

His bosses want to pay for it, theirs don't
Link Posted: 9/4/2015 3:26:58 PM EDT
That's gotta be a record.


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Originally Posted By flynhghr2001:
At least no bystanders were hit
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Shocking!
Link Posted: 9/4/2015 3:28:11 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Extorris:

His bosses want to pay for it, theirs don't
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Originally Posted By Extorris:
Originally Posted By ARBarsh:
Originally Posted By Extorris:
Originally Posted By OKnativeson:
Whats the deal with their lack of shooting skills?

Lack of training.
I was talking with one of our LEOs here from Texas and he gets more mandatory firearms training after the academy in a 3 month period than I got in 18+ years.

For the largest police force in the country (correct?), that's pretty messed up.

His bosses want to pay for it, theirs don't

Get their email addresses and forward them link to this thread
Link Posted: 9/4/2015 3:28:16 PM EDT

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His bosses want to pay for it, theirs don't
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Originally Posted By ARBarsh:


Originally Posted By Extorris:


Originally Posted By OKnativeson:

Whats the deal with their lack of shooting skills?


Lack of training.

I was talking with one of our LEOs here from Texas and he gets more mandatory firearms training after the academy in a 3 month period than I got in 18+ years.


For the largest police force in the country (correct?), that's pretty messed up.


His bosses want to pay for it, theirs don't
Would I be correct in saying its probably cheaper just to settle with bystanders/their families that are shot than to actually ensure NYPD officers are proficient with their guns?

 
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Link Posted: 9/4/2015 3:28:51 PM EDT
A 12# trigger pull has to be a bitch to aim decently with. Do the ESU guys get different guns with more normal trigger pulls or is everyone issued the same thing?
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Originally Posted By ZootTX:
Would I be correct in saying its probably cheaper just to settle with bystanders/their families that are shot than to actually ensure NYPD officers are proficient with their guns?  
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I'm sure they've had someone crunch the numbers. Even if they wanted to pay for it they don't have the facilities to handle the amount of people that would be scheduled for training. They barely have room now between requals, special unit's training, and academy recruit training.
Link Posted: 9/4/2015 3:31:30 PM EDT
Are we sure it wasn't a ricochet?  Did he actually get directly hit?

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Originally Posted By KennyW1983:
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No idea, maybe one of them will chime in and answer.
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Originally Posted By Extorris:

Qualifying is not training.
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Originally Posted By mech4matsnova:
Glad nobody else was hit, sounds like NYPD needs to spend a bit more time qualifying their guys though.

Qualifying is not training.


You get most of your firearms training in the academy, correct?  I know the difference between training and qualifying, but I have a question:

In your years there, how often did you have to qualify?

Link Posted: 9/4/2015 3:32:41 PM EDT
There should be a law against this sort of behavior
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Your funny and original....I like you.  
Link Posted: 9/4/2015 3:33:21 PM EDT
I wonder if they accounted for where all the rounds went, probably not..



'Two plainclothes cops and two officers from the 83rd Precinct were treated for tinnitus, ringing of the ears, at Wyckoff Heights Medical Center, officials said.

Two cops from the 81st Precinct were treated for tinnitus at Kings County Hospital.'     There is no treatment for tinnitus, just compensation...

Link Posted: 9/4/2015 3:33:27 PM EDT
Only Imperial Stormtroopers could be so precise.
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Originally Posted By ZootTX:



Would I be correct in saying its probably cheaper just to settle with bystanders/their families that are shot than to actually ensure NYPD officers are proficient with their guns?  
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As I said in another thread, it would be both financially and logistically impossible to train the NYPD to the level of proficiency that any knowledgeable person would accept as "reasonable".


 




It simply can't be done.


 
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Let me guess, the perp was wearing a red shirt?
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They should have done in 7, so says Andy.  Because, no one needs that amount.
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Originally Posted By mech4matsnova:
You get most of your firearms training in the academy, correct?  I know the difference between training and qualifying, but I have a question:
In your years there, how often did you have to qualify?
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I got all of my "training" in the academy. Requal was 50 rounds twice a year.
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Originally Posted By ARBarsh:

For the largest police force in the country (correct?), that's pretty messed up.
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Originally Posted By ARBarsh:
Originally Posted By Extorris:
Originally Posted By OKnativeson:
Whats the deal with their lack of shooting skills?

Lack of training.
I was talking with one of our LEOs here from Texas and he gets more mandatory firearms training after the academy in a 3 month period than I got in 18+ years.

For the largest police force in the country (correct?), that's pretty messed up.



What is there? 34,000 cops in NYC? A thousand rounds a year per for training would be 34 million rounds in the budget. I totally understand why even though it's a shame. Not only that, if they ordered 34 million rounds, the tin foil hat brigade would flip.
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Originally Posted By IcarusY625:
I wonder if they accounted for where all the rounds went, probably not..

'Two plainclothes cops and two officers from the 83rd Precinct were treated for tinnitus, ringing of the ears, at Wyckoff Heights Medical Center, officials said.
Two cops from the 81st Precinct were treated for tinnitus at Kings County Hospital.'     There is no treatment for tinnitus, just compensation...
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LOD, tax free.
Link Posted: 9/4/2015 3:35:40 PM EDT
Over the years I went shooting with about a half dozen nypd officers. Most were bad or terrible shots the best one was just alright definitely not good.

It doesn't surprise me.
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