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Link Posted: 8/22/2016 8:11:31 PM EDT
The steering wheel radio controls in the f350 we drive everyday for work has issues all the time, no way in fucking hell am I ever trusting a car to drive itself if a manufacterer can't make simple shit like that work 100% reliable every time no matter what.
Link Posted: 8/22/2016 8:16:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By lostnswv:


Driven 100s of thousands of miles and never killed anyone behind the wheel. People trying to sell these robot cars can not make that claim about robot cars.

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Originally Posted By sixbulletssays:
Originally Posted By lostnswv:
Originally Posted By desmando:
Originally Posted By MonkeyFist:
So the makers of fucking video cards believe they can do cars.

Hmmm.

The processors in the video cards are very good at this type of work.


So it can control my vehicles turning, braking, acceleratiing, and deal with dickhead, dumbasses, children chasing balls, and any number of other emergencies?
Sadly, better than you most likely :\


Driven 100s of thousands of miles and never killed anyone behind the wheel. People trying to sell these robot cars can not make that claim about robot cars.


LOL

People said the same shit about seat belts, ABS, air bags, collision-avoidance systems, etc.

Every new piece of safety tech brings out the old "I'm better than any of this fancy-schmancy technology!" argument.
Link Posted: 8/22/2016 8:23:04 PM EDT
Ah yes, the future!

A bunch of boring little electric cubes driving their fat slobbish passengers to and fro in perfect synchronized harmony.

Sounds like hell to me.

Link Posted: 8/22/2016 8:24:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:
Bad ass.

Can't fucking wait for auto-pilot cars. Taking naps on road trips. Or watching movies. Or reading books and magazines.
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Yup. The sooner the better. Can't wait for all the crying from highway bandits and traffic courts.
Link Posted: 8/22/2016 8:28:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dan45678:

lol are you a trucker or something? You seem really butt hurt about this.
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would suck to be a truck driver, 3.5 million americans are going on the dole in the next decade


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Link Posted: 8/22/2016 8:35:27 PM EDT
If they think they are all set after 100 hours, they haven't really tested any contingencies at all.

Only one camera? Break the lens with a truck recap tread doing 80 and see what happens. Have a kid hit it with an egg. Etc.
Link Posted: 8/22/2016 8:38:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By lostnswv:


So it can control my vehicles turning, braking, acceleratiing, and deal with dickhead, dumbasses, children chasing balls, and any number of other emergencies?
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Originally Posted By lostnswv:
Originally Posted By desmando:
Originally Posted By MonkeyFist:
So the makers of fucking video cards believe they can do cars.

Hmmm.

The processors in the video cards are very good at this type of work.


So it can control my vehicles turning, braking, acceleratiing, and deal with dickhead, dumbasses, children chasing balls, and any number of other emergencies?


Yes actually better than a regular CPU.
Link Posted: 8/22/2016 8:40:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By lostnswv:


So it can control my vehicles turning, braking, acceleratiing, and deal with dickhead, dumbasses, children chasing balls, and any number of other emergencies?
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Originally Posted By lostnswv:
Originally Posted By desmando:
Originally Posted By MonkeyFist:
So the makers of fucking video cards believe they can do cars.

Hmmm.

The processors in the video cards are very good at this type of work.


So it can control my vehicles turning, braking, acceleratiing, and deal with dickhead, dumbasses, children chasing balls, and any number of other emergencies?
If it wasn't for the collision detection technology in my Chrysler 300, I would have killed a lady two days ago. I couldn't see her, but the car did.
Link Posted: 8/22/2016 8:40:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Mossberg:
If they think they are all set after 100 hours, they haven't really tested any contingencies at all.

Only one camera? Break the lens with a truck recap tread doing 80 and see what happens. Have a kid hit it with an egg. Etc.
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The cameras are typically behind windshield glass. How well do human drivers typically respond to a retread going into them?

Link Posted: 8/22/2016 8:42:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By BillofRights:



It's a lie. Or an exaggeration from a nerd who has never seen bad conditions.

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Originally Posted By Cucumbermonkey:
If they're right about the all weather conditions, that's pretty impressive.



It's a lie. Or an exaggeration from a nerd who has never seen bad conditions.







I'm not believing it can function in a snow storm.
Link Posted: 8/22/2016 8:44:31 PM EDT
" Cope with all weather conditions "

That's funny.

I have Rear wheel drive ice racer, I wanna see a machine " Cope With "
Link Posted: 8/22/2016 8:44:42 PM EDT
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I'm not believing it can function in a snow storm.
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Originally Posted By BillofRights:
Originally Posted By Cucumbermonkey:
If they're right about the all weather conditions, that's pretty impressive.



It's a lie. Or an exaggeration from a nerd who has never seen bad conditions.







I'm not believing it can function in a snow storm.


Probably works better than a Southerner.

Link Posted: 8/22/2016 8:47:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By MrFuzzybunny:






I'm not believing it can function in a snow storm above 7 mph.
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Originally Posted By MrFuzzybunny:
Originally Posted By BillofRights:
Originally Posted By Cucumbermonkey:
If they're right about the all weather conditions, that's pretty impressive.



It's a lie. Or an exaggeration from a nerd who has never seen bad conditions.







I'm not believing it can function in a snow storm above 7 mph.

Link Posted: 8/22/2016 8:48:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Top_Secret:


The cameras are typically behind windshield glass. How well do human drivers typically respond to a retread going into them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84M3ghUKlLk
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Originally Posted By Top_Secret:
Originally Posted By Mossberg:
If they think they are all set after 100 hours, they haven't really tested any contingencies at all.

Only one camera? Break the lens with a truck recap tread doing 80 and see what happens. Have a kid hit it with an egg. Etc.


The cameras are typically behind windshield glass. How well do human drivers typically respond to a retread going into them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84M3ghUKlLk


Humans can duck when they see a retread coming at them. The camera can only attempt to make the 4,000+ lb car move. Neat video though. You can see very clearly that it didn't anticipate the second pedestrian entering the crosswalk.
Link Posted: 8/22/2016 8:53:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By lostnswv:


So it can control my vehicles turning, braking, acceleratiing, and deal with dickhead, dumbasses, children chasing balls, and any number of other emergencies?
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Originally Posted By lostnswv:
Originally Posted By desmando:
Originally Posted By MonkeyFist:
So the makers of fucking video cards believe they can do cars.

Hmmm.

The processors in the video cards are very good at this type of work.


So it can control my vehicles turning, braking, acceleratiing, and deal with dickhead, dumbasses, children chasing balls, and any number of other emergencies?

Link Posted: 8/22/2016 8:58:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Top_Secret:


Probably works better than a Southerner.

https://localtvkstu.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/s030898453-300.jpg
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Originally Posted By Top_Secret:
Originally Posted By MrFuzzybunny:
Originally Posted By BillofRights:
Originally Posted By Cucumbermonkey:
If they're right about the all weather conditions, that's pretty impressive.



It's a lie. Or an exaggeration from a nerd who has never seen bad conditions.




I'm not believing it can function in a snow storm.


Probably works better than a Southerner.

https://localtvkstu.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/s030898453-300.jpg




Lol, forgot about that pic and the shops.
Link Posted: 8/22/2016 9:00:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By lukelog925:

Why not, to a computer, what's the difference between a real life and a video game, it's just processing data. Real life is the ultimate video game.
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Originally Posted By lukelog925:
Originally Posted By MonkeyFist:
So the makers of fucking video cards believe they can do cars.

Hmmm.

Why not, to a computer, what's the difference between a real life and a video game, it's just processing data. Real life is the ultimate video game.

Link Posted: 8/22/2016 9:05:25 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By lostnswv:


So it can control my vehicles turning, braking, acceleratiing, and deal with dickhead, dumbasses, children chasing balls, and any number of other emergencies?
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Originally Posted By lostnswv:
Originally Posted By desmando:
Originally Posted By MonkeyFist:
So the makers of fucking video cards believe they can do cars.

Hmmm.

The processors in the video cards are very good at this type of work.


So it can control my vehicles turning, braking, acceleratiing, and deal with dickhead, dumbasses, children chasing balls, and any number of other emergencies?


They deal with input of thousands, or tens of thousands of items, then do very complex math on them. 30-100 times per second.

Driving would actually be leaving most of their potential unused.

They can also "learn" horrendously faster than a human, by doing the outrageous amount of processing needed for machine learning.

The tough part is getting the software completely reliable.

Of course, if self driving cars killed, say, 3000 people per year, that would be a 90% reduction over human driving.
Link Posted: 8/22/2016 9:10:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By desmando:

The processors in the video cards are very good at this type of work.
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Originally Posted By desmando:
Originally Posted By MonkeyFist:
So the makers of fucking video cards believe they can do cars.

Hmmm.

The processors in the video cards are very good at this type of work.


Ain't found me one damn bitcoin though!
Link Posted: 8/22/2016 9:15:35 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 9mmmac:


Ain't found me one damn bitcoin though!
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Originally Posted By 9mmmac:
Originally Posted By desmando:
Originally Posted By MonkeyFist:
So the makers of fucking video cards believe they can do cars.

Hmmm.

The processors in the video cards are very good at this type of work.


Ain't found me one damn bitcoin though!
Me either

Link Posted: 8/22/2016 9:22:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Top_Secret:


Probably works better than a Southerner.

https://localtvkstu.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/s030898453-300.jpg
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Originally Posted By Top_Secret:
Originally Posted By MrFuzzybunny:
Originally Posted By BillofRights:
Originally Posted By Cucumbermonkey:
If they're right about the all weather conditions, that's pretty impressive.



It's a lie. Or an exaggeration from a nerd who has never seen bad conditions.





I'm not believing it can function in a snow storm.


Probably works better than a Southerner.

https://localtvkstu.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/s030898453-300.jpg


Southern Ice is like Northern Rain


Link Posted: 8/22/2016 9:26:39 PM EDT
All weather conditions including the ones that cover up the cameras/sensors?

Yeah, full of shitsky.

Segway tard: "They'll build cities around this invention...."
Link Posted: 8/22/2016 10:58:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dan45678:


lol are you a trucker or something? You seem really butt hurt about this.
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Are you aware that there are people in this world that have a severe medical condition which causes them to be that way?
Link Posted: 8/22/2016 11:08:01 PM EDT
Let's see how good it does on an episode of "Ice Road Truckers".
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I wonder if this technology, when mature and safe, will allow flying cars to finally be more than just a novelty.

Link Posted: 8/22/2016 11:16:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Demosthenes99:
Self driving cars can't come fast enough for those of us living in Houston.

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If you don't like the way we drive here, then you're more than welcome to go back to wherever you came from...


Link Posted: 8/22/2016 11:18:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By NathanJK:
The other day I sat at a light...it turned green...and then red, and only one person made it through before it changed. I was the only one who honked, and I did so at the end of the cycle....we were ALL looking at our phones while sitting there. I just happened to get bored and look up in time to catch the last bit o' green. There were probably 10 cars, it was a 2 lane road.

Yeah, we need self driving cars for sure .
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Further proof of my theory that technology is dumbing down the driving populace.
Link Posted: 8/22/2016 11:38:06 PM EDT
Happy path.
What happens when a cop is redirecting traffic in the middle of a driving lane, a car is broken down, complete white out with six inches of snow covering the road and shoulders, pot hole six inches deep by one square foot, flood washes out a section of road, furniture in the middle of the road, ... Just curious.
Link Posted: 8/22/2016 11:42:41 PM EDT
I believe the autonomous car idea is a pipe dream for various reasons. At best we could get something that essentially operated on 'tracks' on main roads with only other 'self driving' cars for company, with assisted driving similar to what we have now for use on the side roads.

The human brain has so much going on behind the scenes in order to operate a car on public roads that I just don't see it being feasible. The significance of perfecting the AI to make a fully functional autonomous car would alter society in a huge way. The original goal of driverless cars would seem petty when all was said and done.
Link Posted: 8/22/2016 11:45:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By NathanJK:
The other day I sat at a light...it turned green...and then red, and only one person made it through before it changed. I was the only one who honked, and I did so at the end of the cycle....we were ALL looking at our phones while sitting there. I just happened to get bored and look up in time to catch the last bit o' green. There were probably 10 cars, it was a 2 lane road.

Yeah, we need self driving cars for sure .
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No, people like you and the other 9 require that crutch.

The rest of us can handle traffic signals just fine.
Link Posted: 8/23/2016 12:11:16 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 2W0X1:


would suck to be a truck driver, 3.5 million americans are going on the dole in the next decade

https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/1*FAOTYaCoYpUhjiAe3sjofA.png
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Originally Posted By 2W0X1:
Originally Posted By dan45678:

lol are you a trucker or something? You seem really butt hurt about this.


would suck to be a truck driver, 3.5 million americans are going on the dole in the next decade

https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/1*FAOTYaCoYpUhjiAe3sjofA.png
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lol at the optimism. Gonna be a longer time than that.
Link Posted: 8/23/2016 12:24:01 AM EDT
At least NVIDIA's SkyNet will be preoccupied dicking around all day in DOTA 2.
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Originally Posted By MonkeyFist:
So the makers of fucking video cards believe they can do cars.

Hmmm.
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Umm I'm pretty sure those video cards have processors that are more advanced than any Intel processor. Nevermind the fact that Nvidia produces specialists and the chips for the most powerful supercomputers in the world

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There are days during which an autonomous vehicle could climb my driveway....And then we have winter.
Link Posted: 8/23/2016 2:05:57 AM EDT
I work in a highly automated industry with machinery that costs 10+ million dollars and they stop working all the time for stupid reasons. Sometimes computers just stop working. The AI is communicating with the brakes. Great. What if the comm stops for no reason. Guess what, it happens all the time in my industry. But instead of a 250k$ product, you have a human life on the line.
Link Posted: 8/23/2016 2:10:42 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By AnticitizenOne:
No, people like you and the other 9 require that crutch.

The rest of us can handle traffic signals just fine.
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Originally Posted By NathanJK:
The other day I sat at a light...it turned green...and then red, and only one person made it through before it changed. I was the only one who honked, and I did so at the end of the cycle....we were ALL looking at our phones while sitting there. I just happened to get bored and look up in time to catch the last bit o' green. There were probably 10 cars, it was a 2 lane road.

Yeah, we need self driving cars for sure .
No, people like you and the other 9 require that crutch.

The rest of us can handle traffic signals just fine.


The problem will only get worse as younger generations start driving. The good drivers will age out.
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Originally Posted By Wingnut116ACW:

It isn't a question of whether it will run over kids. It will. The question is whether it will do so at a lesser rate than the average human. Time will tell.
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There is a certain amount of run-over-children that one might consider to be an acceptable trade off when you start considering other negative aspects of self-driving vehicles.

Especially if the kids are getting run over because they're idiots.


I'll add that anyone expecting to see anything out of Google that is capable of making life-or-death decisions is out of their fucking minds. It can and will be done successfully... but by someone else.
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Will I be able to overclock it to make it go faster?
Link Posted: 8/23/2016 3:49:59 AM EDT
Let me know when it can dodge snowdrifts while overtaking slower traffic on a 2-lane road.
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No, but the next driver update will steer you into a brick walls and customer support will blame it on you.
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Originally Posted By rasanders22:
I work in a highly automated industry with machinery that costs 10+ million dollars and they stop working all the time for stupid reasons. Sometimes computers just stop working. The AI is communicating with the brakes. Great. What if the comm stops for no reason. Guess what, it happens all the time in my industry. But instead of a 250k$ product, you have a human life on the line.
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Yup, and every single fuckup that involves injury or death will result not in a lawsuit aimed at the driver or occupants, but at the software maker. Big, expensive ones. Lawyers will get their dick hard at the thought of it.

That's going to be an entirely new paradigm, and no company is going to withstand that kind of lawsuit barrage. Every thread about this I bring it up, but no one even remotely has a grown-up answer to liability. We can't even get liability right for life & death medical care - but people expect it'll sort itself out for some cars? In 10 years?

El oh fucking el, the naivete of some people.
Link Posted: 8/23/2016 8:20:53 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Dana1972:
Cool but can it react when some drunk Mexican swerves into its lane?
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If the drunk Mexican had let his car doing the driving, he wouldn't have swerved into the lane to begin with... That being said, yes, collision avoidance will be a key feature of self-driving cars when they go prime time if it isn't there already.
Link Posted: 8/23/2016 8:42:55 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By MonkeyFist:
So the makers of fucking video cards believe they can do cars.

Hmmm.
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Notwithstanding the legal issues with driverless cars, can you imagine any better choice to work on them than one of the most important and bleeding edge hardware companies in the world?
Link Posted: 8/23/2016 8:48:30 AM EDT
I used to work with GPU clusters doing some pretty heavy spatial analysis. They can do some impressive things when given the right task.

I'd be interested in seeing the optical system they use. I'd assume they are using some sort of LiDAR (probably phased continuous wave) and multispectral overlay. Either way GPUs excel at this type of data/algorithm processing.

Would I trust my child's life to it? That's a different question.
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Originally Posted By Cobalt-60:
I used to work with GPU clusters doing some pretty heavy spatial analysis. They can do some impressive things when given the right task.

I'd be interested in seeing the optical system they use. I'd assume they are using some sort of LiDAR (probably phased continuous wave) and multispectral overlay. Either way GPUs excel at this type of data/algorithm processing.

Would I trust my child's life to it? That's a different question.
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Nope. Just one 200x66 capture array, aka 1 low res CCT camera, one extra set on either side to pick up FOV shift. GPUs were just used for the Net training off of time stamped "meatbag" driver and steering logging. 10 hz sampling btw.... Once the gains were tuned, offloaded onto a regular ole computer for execution. Hell, after you've done your training execution can be done on an Arduino. It's not like its "thinking" after that.

Section 5.2 tells you everything you need to know about how applicable to "real world" this is. AKA overfit like a motherfucker. That's why you only use unsupervised learning for part of your architecture, not all of it. But GD aint reading no papers.


I've done parallelized KNN training before - but not on a GPU. To me that's by far the most significant info.


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Took a second look. I'm slow some times... Read through the paper abit slower this time. This isn't a 9 layer KNN. Shunting one of those entirely onto a GPU would be impressive.

It's a regular 4 layer and their "network" is just regular extraction convolutions prior to that. AKA - standard procedure for all image conditioning forever and always. But it was worded in a way as to imply otherwise.

This isn't even fucking news. I was doing this shit a decade ago. Any CPU can do this. Anyone with matlab can type nnet and do damn near the exact same thing.


Motherfucking tech blogs. Internet is godamned cancer.
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