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Posted: 9/11/2013 9:32:41 AM EDT
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The National Security Agency routinely shares raw intelligence data with Israel without first sifting it to remove information about US citizens, a top-secret document provided to the Guardian by whistleblower Edward Snowden reveals.
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The disclosure that the NSA agreed to provide raw intelligence data to a foreign country contrasts with assurances from the Obama administration that there are rigorous safeguards to protect the privacy of US citizens caught in the dragnet. The intelligence community calls this process "minimization", but the memorandum makes clear that the information shared with the Israelis would be in its pre-minimized state.

The deal was reached in principle in March 2009, according to the undated memorandum, which lays out the ground rules for the intelligence sharing. The five-page memorandum, termed an agreement between the US and Israeli intelligence agencies "pertaining to the protection of US persons", repeatedly stresses the constitutional rights of Americans to privacy and the need for Israeli intelligence staff to respect these rights.

But this is undermined by the disclosure that Israel is allowed to receive "raw Sigint" – signal intelligence. The memorandum says: "Raw Sigint includes, but is not limited to, unevaluated and unminimized transcripts, gists, facsimiles, telex, voice and Digital Network Intelligence metadata and content." According to the agreement, the intelligence being shared would not be filtered in advance by NSA analysts to remove US communications. "NSA routinely sends ISNU [the Israeli Sigint National Unit] minimized and unminimized raw collection", it says.

Although the memorandum is explicit in saying the material had to be handled in accordance with US law, and that the Israelis agreed not to deliberately target Americans identified in the data, these rules are not backed up by legal obligations. "This agreement is not intended to create any legally enforceable rights and shall not be construed to be either an international agreement or a legally binding instrument according to international law," the document says.

In a statement to the Guardian, an NSA spokesperson did not deny that personal data about Americans was included in raw intelligence data shared with the Israelis.
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Notably, a much stricter rule was set for US government communications found in the raw intelligence. The Israelis were required to "destroy upon recognition" any communication "that is either to or from an official of the US government". Such communications included those of "officials of the executive branch (including the White House, cabinet departments, and independent agencies), the US House of Representatives and Senate (member and staff) and the US federal court system (including, but not limited to, the supreme court)".

It is not clear whether any communications involving members of US Congress or the federal courts have been included in the raw data provided by the NSA, nor is it clear how or why the NSA would be in possession of such communications. In 2009, however, the New York Times reported on "the agency's attempt to wiretap a member of Congress, without court approval, on an overseas trip".
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The National Security Agency routinely shares raw intelligence data with Israel without first sifting it to remove information about US citizens, a top-secret document provided to the Guardian by whistleblower Edward Snowden reveals.
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The disclosure that the NSA agreed to provide raw intelligence data to a foreign country contrasts with assurances from the Obama administration that there are rigorous safeguards to protect the privacy of US citizens caught in the dragnet. The intelligence community calls this process "minimization", but the memorandum makes clear that the information shared with the Israelis would be in its pre-minimized state.

The deal was reached in principle in March 2009, according to the undated memorandum, which lays out the ground rules for the intelligence sharing. The five-page memorandum, termed an agreement between the US and Israeli intelligence agencies "pertaining to the protection of US persons", repeatedly stresses the constitutional rights of Americans to privacy and the need for Israeli intelligence staff to respect these rights.

But this is undermined by the disclosure that Israel is allowed to receive "raw Sigint" – signal intelligence. The memorandum says: "Raw Sigint includes, but is not limited to, unevaluated and unminimized transcripts, gists, facsimiles, telex, voice and Digital Network Intelligence metadata and content." According to the agreement, the intelligence being shared would not be filtered in advance by NSA analysts to remove US communications. "NSA routinely sends ISNU [the Israeli Sigint National Unit] minimized and unminimized raw collection", it says.

Although the memorandum is explicit in saying the material had to be handled in accordance with US law, and that the Israelis agreed not to deliberately target Americans identified in the data, these rules are not backed up by legal obligations. "This agreement is not intended to create any legally enforceable rights and shall not be construed to be either an international agreement or a legally binding instrument according to international law," the document says.

In a statement to the Guardian, an NSA spokesperson did not deny that personal data about Americans was included in raw intelligence data shared with the Israelis.
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Notably, a much stricter rule was set for US government communications found in the raw intelligence. The Israelis were required to "destroy upon recognition" any communication "that is either to or from an official of the US government". Such communications included those of "officials of the executive branch (including the White House, cabinet departments, and independent agencies), the US House of Representatives and Senate (member and staff) and the US federal court system (including, but not limited to, the supreme court)".

It is not clear whether any communications involving members of US Congress or the federal courts have been included in the raw data provided by the NSA, nor is it clear how or why the NSA would be in possession of such communications. In 2009, however, the New York Times reported on "the agency's attempt to wiretap a member of Congress, without court approval, on an overseas trip".
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Interesting.   ARFCOM's totalitarian state boot lickers told me the content is not captured.
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 9:34:29 AM EDT
That is not kosher
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Link Posted: 9/11/2013 9:35:36 AM EDT
The rabbit hole goes really deep on this shit.

It seems like a perfectly easy way for NSA to bypass FISA oversight, just had the data off to someone else and have them query it.

I have no doubts that the same deal WRT data sharing is in effect for the UK and some other NATO countries.
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 9:37:51 AM EDT

Those electronic chains we wear are starting to get very heavy.
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Link Posted: 9/11/2013 9:41:46 AM EDT
I guess Israel will now know exactly how many of us have Googled for "Women of the IDF".
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The National Security Agency routinely shares raw intelligence data with Israel without first sifting it to remove information about US citizens, a top-secret document provided to the Guardian by whistleblower Edward Snowden reveals.




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The disclosure that the NSA agreed to provide raw intelligence data to a foreign country contrasts with assurances from the Obama administration that there are rigorous safeguards to protect the privacy of US citizens caught in the dragnet. The intelligence community calls this process "minimization", but the memorandum makes clear that the information shared with the Israelis would be in its pre-minimized state.
The deal was reached in principle in March 2009, according to the undated memorandum, which lays out the ground rules for the intelligence sharing. The five-page memorandum, termed an agreement between the US and Israeli intelligence agencies "pertaining to the protection of US persons", repeatedly stresses the constitutional rights of Americans to privacy and the need for Israeli intelligence staff to respect these rights.
But this is undermined by the disclosure that Israel is allowed to receive "raw Sigint" – signal intelligence. The memorandum says: "Raw Sigint includes, but is not limited to, unevaluated and unminimized transcripts, gists, facsimiles, telex, voice and Digital Network Intelligence metadata and content." According to the agreement, the intelligence being shared would not be filtered in advance by NSA analysts to remove US communications. "NSA routinely sends ISNU [the Israeli Sigint National Unit] minimized and unminimized raw collection", it says.
Although the memorandum is explicit in saying the material had to be handled in accordance with US law, and that the Israelis agreed not to deliberately target Americans identified in the data, these rules are not backed up by legal obligations. "This agreement is not intended to create any legally enforceable rights and shall not be construed to be either an international agreement or a legally binding instrument according to international law," the document says.
In a statement to the Guardian, an NSA spokesperson did not deny that personal data about Americans was included in raw intelligence data shared with the Israelis.




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Notably, a much stricter rule was set for US government communications found in the raw intelligence. The Israelis were required to "destroy upon recognition" any communication "that is either to or from an official of the US government". Such communications included those of "officials of the executive branch (including the White House, cabinet departments, and independent agencies), the US House of Representatives and Senate (member and staff) and the US federal court system (including, but not limited to, the supreme court)".
It is not clear whether any communications involving members of US Congress or the federal courts have been included in the raw data provided by the NSA, nor is it clear how or why the NSA would be in possession of such communications. In 2009, however, the New York Times reported on "the agency's attempt to wiretap a member of Congress, without court approval, on an overseas trip".




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Interesting.   ARFCOM's totalitarian state boot lickers told me the content is not captured.

 
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fuck the NSA and fuck Israel for asking for the data.
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The National Security Agency routinely shares raw intelligence data with Israel without first sifting it to remove information about US citizens, a top-secret document provided to the Guardian by whistleblower Edward Snowden reveals.

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The disclosure that the NSA agreed to provide raw intelligence data to a foreign country contrasts with assurances from the Obama administration that there are rigorous safeguards to protect the privacy of US citizens caught in the dragnet. The intelligence community calls this process "minimization", but the memorandum makes clear that the information shared with the Israelis would be in its pre-minimized state.



The deal was reached in principle in March 2009, according to the undated memorandum, which lays out the ground rules for the intelligence sharing. The five-page memorandum, termed an agreement between the US and Israeli intelligence agencies "pertaining to the protection of US persons", repeatedly stresses the constitutional rights of Americans to privacy and the need for Israeli intelligence staff to respect these rights.



But this is undermined by the disclosure that Israel is allowed to receive "raw Sigint" – signal intelligence. The memorandum says: "Raw Sigint includes, but is not limited to, unevaluated and unminimized transcripts, gists, facsimiles, telex, voice and Digital Network Intelligence metadata and content." According to the agreement, the intelligence being shared would not be filtered in advance by NSA analysts to remove US communications. "NSA routinely sends ISNU [the Israeli Sigint National Unit] minimized and unminimized raw collection", it says.



Although the memorandum is explicit in saying the material had to be handled in accordance with US law, and that the Israelis agreed not to deliberately target Americans identified in the data, these rules are not backed up by legal obligations. "This agreement is not intended to create any legally enforceable rights and shall not be construed to be either an international agreement or a legally binding instrument according to international law," the document says.



In a statement to the Guardian, an NSA spokesperson did not deny that personal data about Americans was included in raw intelligence data shared with the Israelis.

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Notably, a much stricter rule was set for US government communications found in the raw intelligence. The Israelis were required to "destroy upon recognition" any communication "that is either to or from an official of the US government". Such communications included those of "officials of the executive branch (including the White House, cabinet departments, and independent agencies), the US House of Representatives and Senate (member and staff) and the US federal court system (including, but not limited to, the supreme court)".



It is not clear whether any communications involving members of US Congress or the federal courts have been included in the raw data provided by the NSA, nor is it clear how or why the NSA would be in possession of such communications. In 2009, however, the New York Times reported on "the agency's attempt to wiretap a member of Congress, without court approval, on an overseas trip".

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Interesting.   ARFCOM's totalitarian state boot lickers told me the content is not captured.
Thats because they are full of shit.  

 
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 9:51:58 AM EDT
Anyone else remember the antivirus company from Israel that was giving our information to the Israeli government around 10 years back or so? Kind of makes me wonder if that wasn't by request of our government now.
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 9:55:31 AM EDT
Is anyone actually surprised by the depths at which the government violates the constitution?

And they tell us the terrorists are the threat?

TXL
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 9:55:59 AM EDT
It doesn't take too much of a broad reading of the Exective Orders and other directives governing U.S. intelligence collection to conclude that information on U.S. persons collected by another nation may not activate the normal protections.  We've got a long-standing, deep relationship with multiple nations that cooperate in intelligence gathering (Five Eyes, Echelon).  

EO 12333 states that U.S. intel agencies are not supposed to collect, retain or disseminate information on U.S. persons (subject to certain exceptions).  However, that EO does authorize the NSA to conduct "foreign cryptologic liaison relationships, with liaison for intelligence purposes conducted in accordance with policies formulated by the Director of Central Intelligence".

Do you think the NSA is going to be of the opinion that it's NOT allowed to access the information held by our allies?  It doesn't seem to be forbidden by the terms of the EOs and directives (the unclassified ones at least).

Also, take a look here.

I'm not defending any of this.  I'm just stating that the system has been established by multiple administrations to allow just such information sharing.  Apparently, the Constitution is for suckers.  
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To paraphrase (badly): Some people refuse to hear the jackboots until they are directly under them.
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 9:59:33 AM EDT
The fucking NSA is out of control. It needs to be shut the fuck down. For example, how many Boston Bombers did the NSA catch before they bombed the shit out of the Marathon in Boston?

ETA: There is no fucking reason that the NSA has to Spy on us the way they do. What the fuck is this, 1936 Germany, Really?  

Fuck the NSA

FBHO
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Boston Bombers were not a threat to gov interests.
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I'm only amazed that people here keep supporting what the government is doing.
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Fuck the NSA



FBHO




Boston Bombers were not a threat to gov interests.
My opinion is that small attacks like Boston were probably allowed to help push the statist's agenda and win them sympathy with voters .



The greater good and all that slop



 
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 10:25:11 AM EDT
ISRAEL

IT IS SPELLED ISRAEL

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST WHY CANT PEOPLE SPELL ISRAEL????
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 10:31:40 AM EDT
ARFCOM members will be getting unsolicited calls from female IMF hotties now that Israel has all our personal data.
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 10:54:32 AM EDT
Wonder how much then comes back to Morris Dees and the Southern Poverty Law Center.
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IT IS SPELLED ISRAEL

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This
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Notably, a much stricter rule was set for US government communications found in the raw intelligence. The Israelis were required to "destroy upon recognition" any communication "that is either to or from an official of the US government". Such communications included those of "officials of the executive branch (including the White House, cabinet departments, and independent agencies), the US House of Representatives and Senate (member and staff) and the US federal court system (including, but not limited to, the supreme court)".
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Yeah, boy, they'll get right on that.

Government of the morons, by the morons, for the morons. We got it.

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arfcom will not give up its bacon.
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 11:15:43 AM EDT
I think that somebody is joshing us.

I have been told in no uncertain terms, here, that the .gov is not mis-using the information, and that the .gov will not spy on citizens, only terrorists.


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I guess Israel will now know exactly how many of us have Googled for "Women of the IDF".


lol but it does remind me of stories were we would hand of suspected terrorist to friendly nations to interrogate since their rules on interrogation were not so strict.


Secret deal places no legal limits on use of data by Israelis





[NSA] Oh so we cant read this data? I wonder if Isreal can read it for us and let us know what they think. We didnt read it we were told about it. [/NSA]
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 11:18:11 AM EDT
Israel is our friend, no big deal.
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The fucking NSA is out of control. It needs to be shut the fuck down. For example, how many Boston Bombers did the NSA catch before they bombed the shit out of the Marathon in Boston?

Fuck the NSA

FBHO


Boston Bombers were not a threat to gov interests.
My opinion is that small attacks like Boston were probably allowed to help push the statist's agenda and win them sympathy with voters .

The greater good and all that slop
 


Can't let America keep thinking its safe now....

...Actually, I don't think they are that nefarious.  Some politicians I'm positive are willing to kill kids and even their own grandmas to get an agenda passed, though.
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That shit is real.

 
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...Actually, I don't think they are that nefarious.  Some politicians I'm positive are willing to kill kids and even their own grandmas to get an agenda passed, though.
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The fucking NSA is out of control. It needs to be shut the fuck down. For example, how many Boston Bombers did the NSA catch before they bombed the shit out of the Marathon in Boston?

Fuck the NSA

FBHO


Boston Bombers were not a threat to gov interests.
My opinion is that small attacks like Boston were probably allowed to help push the statist's agenda and win them sympathy with voters .

The greater good and all that slop
 


Can't let America keep thinking its safe now....

...Actually, I don't think they are that nefarious.  Some politicians I'm positive are willing to kill kids and even their own grandmas to get an agenda passed, though.


I don't believe they are that nefarious.  Greed and personal self interest grows government.

I believe that no matter how much power they take from the people........incompetence will own the day.

Incompetent big or incompetent small..........this is why I desire a small government.
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 1:20:18 PM EDT
Why the heck Israel?

Canada, the UK, Australia, and New Zealand are our friends. We share lots of intelligence with them. Israel is just an ally of ours in the middle east, one who has fucked us over plenty of times in the past. We're apparently giving them everything?

In another top-secret document seen by the Guardian, dated 2008, a senior NSA official points out that Israel aggressively spies on the US. "On the one hand, the Israelis are extraordinarily good Sigint partners for us, but on the other, they target us to learn our positions on Middle East problems," the official says. "A NIE [National Intelligence Estimate] ranked them as the third most aggressive intelligence service against the US."

Later in the document, the official is quoted as saying: "One of NSA's biggest threats is actually from friendly intelligence services, like Israel. There are parameters on what NSA shares with them, but the exchange is so robust, we sometimes share more than we intended."
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I can't count the number of ways a foreign country with near-unlimited access to a data mining program like the NSA's could exploit it for their own gain, especially in business deals.
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I believe such MOUs would be standard for ANY nation with whom we conduct tactical level bilateral, overseas SIGINT collection.  

If we partner with the Brits to target a Taliban commander's communications in Afghanistan, we cannot know in advance whether he will call someone who turns out to be a "US Person."  We can assume that if it is discovered that the person with whom the Taliban commander was speaking turns out to be a US Person or a UK Subject, that we have agreements in place to protect the identities of that individual.  US Law requires this.

Note that the agreement with Israel specified direct communication with the target, not any "hops."  This document is not about giving them access to any US databases (I can't imagine how that would be possible).

At least that's my interpretation of the document.  Did I read that correctly?


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I believe such MOUs would be standard for ANY nation with whom we conduct tactical level bilateral, overseas SIGINT collection.  

If we partner with the Brits to target a Taliban commander's communications in Afghanistan, we cannot know in advance whether he will call someone who turns out to be a "US Person."  We can assume that if it is discovered that the person with whom the Taliban commander was speaking turns out to be a US Person or a UK Subject, that we have agreements in place to protect the identities of that individual.  US Law requires this.

Note that the agreement with Israel specified direct communication with the target, not any "hops."  This document is not about giving them access to any US databases (I can't imagine how that would be possible).

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Pg 3 Section 2:
It applies to both electronic and manual acquisition, including follow-on queries of stored communications.

No statement about where those communications would be stored or if they would only be communications that ISNU would store themselves.

Pg 3 Section 5:
Ensure that any files containing the identities of US persons withheld from dissemination are retained for no more than one year.

Why are they retaining them at all like it says in Pg 3 section 7:
Destroy upon recognition any communication...that is either to or from an official of the US Government.

Shows me who they think really deserves privacy.
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It applies to both electronic and manual acquisition, including follow-on queries of stored communications.

No statement about where those communications would be stored or if they would only be communications that ISNU would store themselves.
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It applies to both electronic and manual acquisition, including follow-on queries of stored communications.

No statement about where those communications would be stored or if they would only be communications that ISNU would store themselves.
If it was our stored stuff, I believe it would be minimized, given that it is from a primary target.


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Ensure that any files containing the identities of US persons withheld from dissemination are retained for no more than one year.

Why are they retaining them at all...
Because it is the overseas collection of a primary, foreign target.  The info is of value.
like it says in Pg 3 section 7:
Destroy upon recognition any communication...that is either to or from an official of the US Government.

Shows me who they think really deserves privacy.


Think about why a Terrorist (overseas) who is a primary target, would be in direct contact with a US official....  Think HUMINT
("Ari, why is the Cultural Attache at the US Embassy in Amman speaking to our target?")   Hmmm.....




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each group that has data can use it nefariously, sell it, give it away or have it stolen by other groups who can exploit it, leave it open or have it stolen .. Again and again..



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For instance?  If Israel has collected SIGINT on a Palestinian or Hamas or Hizb'allah leader,....

...who do they sell it to to make a profit?  The Underpants Gnomes?
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Well I guess that explains some of the Israel lobby's power over US politics. It helps when you have dirt on everyone.
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This. Our own gov is the threat, always has been.
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What in the fuck?
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You say that like it's a bad thing.

Also kinda explains the Iranian's computer problems a little bit
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It's for your protection. Dereka durka 911.

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For instance?  If Israel has collected SIGINT on a Palestinian or Hamas or Hizb'allah leader,....

...who do they sell it to to make a profit?  The Underpants Gnomes?

I wish I could muster more than mild disbelief that you are still defending this.
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Will this open me up for more Kosher Deli mail order catalogs?
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 4:40:52 PM EDT
Not cool.

But I have to say that I would trust Israel with my personal data more than I would my own government...
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The fucking NSA is out of control. It needs to be shut the fuck down. For example, how many Boston Bombers did the NSA catch before they bombed the shit out of the Marathon in Boston?

Fuck the NSA

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Boston Bombers were not a threat to gov interests.
My opinion is that small attacks like Boston were probably allowed to help push the statist's agenda and win them sympathy with voters .

The greater good and all that slop
 


In context with your comment and your avatar, I was wondering if the message above your avatar was referring to "operation" Northwoods, or something else?
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I wish I could muster more than mild disbelief that you are still defending this.
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each group that has data can use it nefariously, sell it, give it away or have it stolen by other groups who can exploit it, leave it open or have it stolen .. Again and again..



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For instance?  If Israel has collected SIGINT on a Palestinian or Hamas or Hizb'allah leader,....

...who do they sell it to to make a profit?  The Underpants Gnomes?

I wish I could muster more than mild disbelief that you are still defending this.


I'm not defending anything (aside from the reason to protect US Government people that get collected).  I'm just reading it, trying to understand it, and trying to answer questions like the one I just asked?

The document linked via the OP describes an agreement that covers IF the Israelis terrorist targets are in direct contact with a US Person.

Have I described it in a way that is in any way inaccurate?
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