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Posted: 8/11/2011 5:55:44 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 5:59:49 PM EDT
I learned over a year ago that the NRA helps anyone that helps them! I do not have anything for the NRA!
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 6:03:17 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 6:03:42 PM EDT
The NRA has a "support the incumbent" policy. So if you are running for office, it doesn't matter how big of a 2nd Amendment supporter you are, if your opponent has been at least luke-warm on the subject, the NRA will send out a jillion of those orange cards supporting your opponent.

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Link Posted: 8/11/2011 6:05:00 PM EDT
Why are you surprised? The NRA is a single-issue lobbying group. If a candidate has a strong history of 2nd Amendment support, the NRA will back them regardless of party.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 6:05:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By GTwannabe:
Why are you surprised? The NRA is a single-issue lobbying group. If a candidate has a strong history of 2nd Amendment support, the NRA will back them regardless of party.


I'm not surprised.

West Virginia Democrats are not California Democrats
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 6:10:02 PM EDT
Its not the National Republican Association. Or the National Tea Party Association. Its the National RifleAssociation. If an incumbent Democrat supports the Second Amendment the NRA will support them. Why is this so hard to understand? The NRA doesn't care about the budget, abortion, unions, gay marriage, urban renewal, the community reinvestment act, condoms for Cambodians, none of it. Nor should they.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 6:10:36 PM EDT
The NRA rated Rick Larsen (D-Washington) a B-.

The good
Voted YES on prohibiting product misuse lawsuits on gun manufacturers.
Voted YES on prohibiting suing gunmakers & sellers for gun misuse.
Voted YES on national cross-state standard for concealed carry.

The bad
Voted YES to prevent unauthorized firearm use with "smart gun" technology.

He's more pro gun than some of the "republicans" in Washington State.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 6:12:52 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Ameshawki:
Its not the National Republican Association. Or the National Tea Party Association. Its the National RifleAssociation. If an incumbent Democrat supports the Second Amendment the NRA will support them. Why is this so hard to understand? The NRA doesn't care about the budget, abortion, unions, gay marriage, urban renewal, the community reinvestment act, condoms for Cambodians, none of it. Nor should they.


QFT!
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 6:13:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By GTwannabe:
Why are you surprised? The NRA is a single-issue lobbying group. If a candidate has a strong history of 2nd Amendment support, the NRA will back them regardless of party.


Link Posted: 8/11/2011 6:14:44 PM EDT
The NRA will cut off it's nose to spite their face. They claim to be a single issue organization? Well in my book the Democrat party is anti 2nd amendment no matter what some politicians in their party claim.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 6:18:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
The NRA will cut off it's nose to spite their face. They claim to be a single issue organization? Well in my book the Democrat party is anti 2nd amendment no matter what some politicians in their party claim.


wrong, why did Obama NOT go for an AWB? Not because a bunch of Republicans sent him a strongly worded letter, but because 22 Democrat Congressmen did.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 6:21:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By waitingonthe4thman:
I learned over a year ago that the NRA helps anyone that helps them! I do not have anything for the NRA!


There are many pro gun Democrats. The NRA is a gun rights organization. I would vote for a Democrat that was pro gun before I would vote for a Republican that was anti gun. What the hell is wrong with that?
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 6:21:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By sum-rifle:
Originally Posted By waitingonthe4thman:
I learned over a year ago that the NRA helps anyone that helps them! I do not have anything for the NRA!


There are many pro gun Democrats. The NRA is a gun rights organization. I would vote for a Democrat that was pro gun before I would vote for a Republican that was anti gun. What the hell is wrong with that?


There are very few pro gun Democrat politicians anymore

Link Posted: 8/11/2011 6:27:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Jack_T:
The NRA has a "support the incumbent" policy. So if you are running for office, it doesn't matter how big of a 2nd Amendment supporter you are, if your opponent has been at least luke-warm on the subject, the NRA will send out a jillion of those orange cards supporting your opponent.

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Not exactly true. If you are dumb enough not to send in your answers to the questionnaire they send out and have no voting record. (because you are just trying to get in) and the incumbent has a pro gun voting record yes the NRA will support the person who has the pro gun voting record over the one with no voting record.

And it really is not just a blanket "The NRA". There is (or should be an "NRA Members Council" in your city or County. If you do not have one you can start one and be the founding member. You can invite your pro gun friends to join. Then YOU and your NRA Members Council will have a lot of say in who the NRA endorses in your area. If you have a pro gun candidate you can make sure he or she gets a questionnaire and returns it. You can make recommendations on who should be endorsed.

So bottom line if there is no Members Council in your area or there is and you are not part of it quit your NRA bashing bitchin.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 6:30:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By CRC:
Originally Posted By GTwannabe:
Why are you surprised? The NRA is a single-issue lobbying group. If a candidate has a strong history of 2nd Amendment support, the NRA will back them regardless of party.


I'm not surprised.

West Virginia Democrats are not California Democrats


Exactly.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 6:31:36 PM EDT
The NRA is a single issue group....If Stalin was the candidate and said free guns for everyone the NRA would back him.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 6:32:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
The NRA will cut off it's nose to spite their face. They claim to be a single issue organization? Well in my book the Democrat party is anti 2nd amendment no matter what some politicians in their party claim.


Many many Democrats are anti gun. Just like many, many Republicans are anti gun.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 6:33:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By CRC:
Originally Posted By sum-rifle:
Originally Posted By waitingonthe4thman:
I learned over a year ago that the NRA helps anyone that helps them! I do not have anything for the NRA!


There are many pro gun Democrats. The NRA is a gun rights organization. I would vote for a Democrat that was pro gun before I would vote for a Republican that was anti gun. What the hell is wrong with that?


There are very few pro gun Democrat politicians anymore



I said Democrats, not Democrat politicians.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 6:34:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By postpostban:
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
The NRA will cut off it's nose to spite their face. They claim to be a single issue organization? Well in my book the Democrat party is anti 2nd amendment no matter what some politicians in their party claim.


wrong, why did Obama NOT go for an AWB? Not because a bunch of Republicans sent him a strongly worded letter, but because 22 Democrat Congressmen did.


This. The fact is that we, as gun owners, are winning the argument. Many leftist Deomocrats would ban guns in a heart beat. But many more centrist Democrats have been convinced, or at the least, convinced that the issue is a loser for them.

My neighbor is a Democrat (albeit a fairly conservative one) and he just bought his first AR, after oogling mine for a few years. :)
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 6:34:33 PM EDT
If the NRA was strictly one party they wouldn't be an effective lobbyist group in a two party system now would they?

Link Posted: 8/11/2011 6:35:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Ameshawki:
Its not the National Republican Association. Or the National Tea Party Association. Its the National RifleAssociation. If an incumbent Democrat supports the Second Amendment the NRA will support them. Why is this so hard to understand? The NRA doesn't care about the budget, abortion, unions, gay marriage, urban renewal, the community reinvestment act, condoms for Cambodians, none of it. Nor should they.


+1
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 6:36:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By sum-rifle:
Originally Posted By CRC:
Originally Posted By GTwannabe:
Why are you surprised? The NRA is a single-issue lobbying group. If a candidate has a strong history of 2nd Amendment support, the NRA will back them regardless of party.


I'm not surprised.

West Virginia Democrats are not California Democrats


Exactly.


Wrong! Manchin voted against the repeal of Obamacare, which is the most anti-gun bill of our generation. And yes, that includes the AWB!
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 6:36:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By GTwannabe:

Why are you surprised? The NRA is a single-issue lobbying group. If a candidate has a strong history of 2nd Amendment support, the NRA will back them regardless of party.

This.


Link Posted: 8/11/2011 6:37:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/11/2011 6:40:57 PM EDT by hotbiggun42]
Originally Posted By postpostban:
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
The NRA will cut off it's nose to spite their face. They claim to be a single issue organization? Well in my book the Democrat party is anti 2nd amendment no matter what some politicians in their party claim.


wrong, why did Obama NOT go for an AWB? Not because a bunch of Republicans sent him a strongly worded letter, but because 22 Democrat Congressmen did.


obama isnt stupid he knows the 2nd Amendment issue will ultimatley be determined by the Supreme Ct. Both obama and Rick Larsen as well as other democrats endorsed by the NRA supported the very anti 2nd amendment Supreme Ct nominee Elena Kagan. To refuse to see the impact that the Supreme Ct has on the 2nd A is just stupidity. IMO
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 6:41:30 PM EDT
Originally Posted By sum-rifle:
Originally Posted By CRC:
Originally Posted By sum-rifle:
Originally Posted By waitingonthe4thman:
I learned over a year ago that the NRA helps anyone that helps them! I do not have anything for the NRA!


There are many pro gun Democrats. The NRA is a gun rights organization. I would vote for a Democrat that was pro gun before I would vote for a Republican that was anti gun. What the hell is wrong with that?


There are very few pro gun Democrat politicians anymore



I said Democrats, not Democrat politicians.


Noted
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 6:45:19 PM EDT
In a system, city, and country filled with vipers, liars, thieves, and hypocrites I find it refreshing that the NRA takes a principled stand for a single issue.

If you want NFA and BATFE to go away you'll just have to vote democrat and sign up for all the programs you can, cause they ain't going away until the .gov goes into a tailspin and has to cut spending everywhere to fight off fires and riots.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 6:47:38 PM EDT
I have a Democrat state house representative

He not only voted FOR the concealed carry law but was a co-sponsor

and this is in ILLINOIS

He bucks the democrat line on fiscal issues too.

I realize that's state and not federal, but still...not all D's are totally bad

NRA is a single issue organization though
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 6:53:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By CRC:
Originally Posted By sum-rifle:
Originally Posted By waitingonthe4thman:
I learned over a year ago that the NRA helps anyone that helps them! I do not have anything for the NRA!


There are many pro gun Democrats. The NRA is a gun rights organization. I would vote for a Democrat that was pro gun before I would vote for a Republican that was anti gun. What the hell is wrong with that?


There are very few pro gun Democrat politicians anymore



The sheriff of Travis county(which contains Austin) here in Texas is a democrat, and always gets my vote because he will sign on any class 3 paperwork, no problem at all.

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Link Posted: 8/11/2011 6:56:20 PM EDT
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
Originally Posted By postpostban:
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
The NRA will cut off it's nose to spite their face. They claim to be a single issue organization? Well in my book the Democrat party is anti 2nd amendment no matter what some politicians in their party claim.


wrong, why did Obama NOT go for an AWB? Not because a bunch of Republicans sent him a strongly worded letter, but because 22 Democrat Congressmen did.


obama isnt stupid he knows the 2nd Amendment issue will ultimatley be determined by the Supreme Ct. Both obama and Rick Larsen as well as other democrats endorsed by the NRA supported the very anti 2nd amendment Supreme Ct nominee Elena Kagan. To refuse to see the impact that the Supreme Ct has on the 2nd A is just stupidity. IMO


And to suggest that the NRA should support people based on their political party, as opposed to based solely on their stance on guns is idiotic.
You would be sending the message to Democrats that they will not get NRA support, no matter how pro gun they are... Thereby taking away any incentive for any democrat to be pro-gun.
Their job is to sway antigunners to the pro-gun side.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 6:58:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/11/2011 6:58:52 PM EDT by hotbiggun42]
Originally Posted By madmedic:
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
Originally Posted By postpostban:
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
The NRA will cut off it's nose to spite their face. They claim to be a single issue organization? Well in my book the Democrat party is anti 2nd amendment no matter what some politicians in their party claim.


wrong, why did Obama NOT go for an AWB? Not because a bunch of Republicans sent him a strongly worded letter, but because 22 Democrat Congressmen did.


obama isnt stupid he knows the 2nd Amendment issue will ultimatley be determined by the Supreme Ct. Both obama and Rick Larsen as well as other democrats endorsed by the NRA supported the very anti 2nd amendment Supreme Ct nominee Elena Kagan. To refuse to see the impact that the Supreme Ct has on the 2nd A is just stupidity. IMO


And to suggest that the NRA should support people based on their political party, as opposed to based solely on their stance on guns is idiotic.
You would be sending the message to Democrats that they will not get NRA support, no matter how pro gun they are... Thereby taking away any incentive for any democrat to be pro-gun.
Their job is to sway antigunners to the pro-gun side.


I hear what you are saying and you are not the only American who would rather be lied to than told the harsh reality of the real world.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 7:01:39 PM EDT
And that's the way it shoudl be.

If the NRA becomes a tool of the Republican party, then Dems who might support them will have no reason to vote with them.

Also, it is good to have supporters in both parties. If the Republicans took the NRA endorsement for granted, they will peel off on lots of gun issues to move to the "reasonable" gun control center for their own re-election, knowing that the NRA has nowhere else to go.

Not unlike the situation for African Americans and the Democrat party. The Dems don't have to do much for them, and don't.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 7:04:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By CRC:
Originally Posted By sum-rifle:
Originally Posted By waitingonthe4thman:
I learned over a year ago that the NRA helps anyone that helps them! I do not have anything for the NRA!


There are many pro gun Democrats. The NRA is a gun rights organization. I would vote for a Democrat that was pro gun before I would vote for a Republican that was anti gun. What the hell is wrong with that?


There are very few pro gun Democrat politicians anymore



Pretty sure the only federal politician I've ever heard make a statement against the NFA was a Democrat from Montana or one of those states.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 8:57:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
Originally Posted By madmedic:
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
Originally Posted By postpostban:
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
The NRA will cut off it's nose to spite their face. They claim to be a single issue organization? Well in my book the Democrat party is anti 2nd amendment no matter what some politicians in their party claim.


wrong, why did Obama NOT go for an AWB? Not because a bunch of Republicans sent him a strongly worded letter, but because 22 Democrat Congressmen did.


obama isnt stupid he knows the 2nd Amendment issue will ultimatley be determined by the Supreme Ct. Both obama and Rick Larsen as well as other democrats endorsed by the NRA supported the very anti 2nd amendment Supreme Ct nominee Elena Kagan. To refuse to see the impact that the Supreme Ct has on the 2nd A is just stupidity. IMO


And to suggest that the NRA should support people based on their political party, as opposed to based solely on their stance on guns is idiotic.
You would be sending the message to Democrats that they will not get NRA support, no matter how pro gun they are... Thereby taking away any incentive for any democrat to be pro-gun.
Their job is to sway antigunners to the pro-gun side.


I hear what you are saying and you are not the only American who would rather be lied to than told the harsh reality of the real world.


Lied to about what, exactly?
No, the NRA should not support people from ANY party who endorse SCOTUS nominees like Kagan.
Those who did support her should certainly lose the NRA's support.
But, to throw away the pro-gun votes of other Democrats based on non-gun related politics like abortion, gay rights, entitlements, etc... would render the NRA a completely irrelevent lobbying organization.
Believe me...I despise most Democrat politicians... But the NRA can not afford to have that attitude.
The harsh reality of the real world is that not all Republicans are pro-gun, and not all Democrats are Anti...
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 9:00:20 PM EDT

It's a single issue PAC.

What did you expect?
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 9:01:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By CRC:
Originally Posted By GTwannabe:
Why are you surprised? The NRA is a single-issue lobbying group. If a candidate has a strong history of 2nd Amendment support, the NRA will back them regardless of party.


I'm not surprised.

West Virginia Democrats are not California Democrats


West Virginia Democrats are not California Republicans!
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 9:03:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
The NRA will cut off it's nose to spite their face. They claim to be a single issue organization? Well in my book the Democrat party is anti 2nd amendment no matter what some politicians in their party claim.


Western (not West coast) Democrats can be more conservative than eastern Republicans
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 9:07:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By wingnutx:

Originally Posted By GTwannabe:

Why are you surprised? The NRA is a single-issue lobbying group. If a candidate has a strong history of 2nd Amendment support, the NRA will back them regardless of party.

This.



It's a tough concept to understand when you breath exclusively through your mouth.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 9:09:12 PM EDT
These threads always go places...
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 9:10:15 PM EDT
Around here a lot of our Democrats are more conservative that the Republicans. I have voted for our state rep in the last three elections who happens to be a (D). He has also voted against every anti gun bill and in favor of every pro gun bill since he has been in office. The last Republican who ran against him supported an assault weapons ban and ban on high cap magazines. Funny thing though is according to many here I'm a traitor for not pulling the Republican line (Just mention how you will not vote for pro AWB Romney in the general to see what I mean). I have always voted Democrat for county sheriff as well. Not that I feel party affiliation bears much importance in that position but he has always done a dam fine job and the only (R) that ever runs against him is a known dirt bag.

Voting straight down the party line is a moronic pursuit of the brain dead.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 9:12:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By CRC:
Originally Posted By sum-rifle:
Originally Posted By waitingonthe4thman:
I learned over a year ago that the NRA helps anyone that helps them! I do not have anything for the NRA!


There are many pro gun Democrats. The NRA is a gun rights organization. I would vote for a Democrat that was pro gun before I would vote for a Republican that was anti gun. What the hell is wrong with that?


There are very few pro gun Democrat politicians anymore



Southern Illinois Democrats are often strongly pro gun. An anti 2a stance down here will keep you out of office.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 9:13:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By fiver:

Originally Posted By wingnutx:

Originally Posted By GTwannabe:

Why are you surprised? The NRA is a single-issue lobbying group. If a candidate has a strong history of 2nd Amendment support, the NRA will back them regardless of party.

This.



It's a tough concept to understand when you breath exclusively through your mouth.

My sinuses are stuffed up
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