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Posted: 9/21/2004 3:12:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/21/2004 3:34:33 PM EST by motown_steve]
Some of this you may have already heard, some of it you may not have heard yet. All of it is in my opinion the most important information for this board. All of this information comes from material that I recieved in the mail today from the NRA.

As you probably already know (since there was another thread about it), Wayne LaPierre will be debating Rebecca Peters (the head of IANSA, UN's top gun grabber) on the issue of gun control in the United States. The event will be on InDemand, and there will be an online vote afterwards, with the results being sent to the US Senate.

As you may not already know, (and as I was COMPLETELY surprised to learn) the intent is to influence a vote in the US Senate on the ratification of a United Nations treaty that ban private firearms ownership. According to the information that I recieved from the NRA, if ratified this treat would go into effect in July of 2006!

As you probably are also already aware, SCOTUS (Supreme Court of the United States) has already ruled that international treaty is supreme and takes precedence even over the US Constitution! The United Nations could concieveably erase the second amendment without even a vote by the full congress (only the Senate is tasked with ratifying international treaties)!

Here are my questions:

- Has anyone else seen this information from the NRA?

- Does anyone have any specific, detailed information on the proposed UN treaty that they are referring to?

- Could the sky actually be falling this time?


ETA - Here is a quote from the letter they sent me (you will probably be seeing one soon as well):

"The fact is, as you read this letter, more than 500 organizations around the world -- with help from the U.N. and American politicians -- are working night and day to ban your guns.

And they plan to achieve the first critical step toward that goal through an international treaty outlawing firearms to be enacted by the United Nations in July of 2006.

This U.N. Treaty -- the first step on the gun-ban agenda before gun confiscation -- is a time-bomb relentlessly ticking underneath you Second Amendment rights if America elects a President willing to sign the treaty and a Senate willing to ratify it."
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:14:32 PM EST
LET THE SKY FALL!
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:14:51 PM EST
... Good!

... Too much later and I'm afaid I'd be too old to get some trigger time!

Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:15:29 PM EST
"from my cold, dead hands"
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:16:14 PM EST
You seem to forget how many millions of gun owners there are in the US.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:16:18 PM EST
that would suck
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:16:21 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/21/2004 3:16:38 PM EST by Zippy_The_Wonderdog]
The NRA will always use scare tactics, though not completely unwarranted, to help generate more funding from its members.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:16:25 PM EST
I should be a citizen by then and in the unorganized militia.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:16:50 PM EST
UN resolutions have no legal effect.

They can't do jack.

But the NRA is a "NGO" at the UN.

CRC
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:17:42 PM EST
Of course we get Kerry as predsident and he will agree to any UN arms treaty.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:17:56 PM EST

Originally Posted By MDC85:
You seem to forget how many millions of gun owners there are in the US.



I have not, but I have not looked forward to any type of "event" either!

Prepare for war, pray for peace!
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:18:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/21/2004 3:18:44 PM EST by ar50troll]
They gotta get em from me first...

What guns. I lost them in a flood officer...
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:19:19 PM EST
Get ready for the "We need your money" letters fromt he NRA.
Another marketing ploy.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:19:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By Winston_Wolf:
... Good!

... Too much later and I'm afaid I'd be too old to get some trigger time!


+1,000
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:19:48 PM EST
If they want them so bad let them try to get them from me. I may die but I promise I will take Blue Helmets and JBT's with me.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:20:12 PM EST
Won't happen that way
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:20:22 PM EST
The chance of THAT happening is somewhere between zero and "ain't gonna happen". But if it should, then bring it on, I'll turn my weapons in... Bullets first.

It would be the quickest way to restore the Constitution.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:20:43 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/21/2004 3:21:18 PM EST by Triumph955i]

Originally Posted By KBaker:

Originally Posted By Winston_Wolf:
... Good!

... Too much later and I'm afaid I'd be too old to get some trigger time!


+1,000




damn,,

still laughin after 5 minutes

i concur.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:20:44 PM EST
The UN has tried to pass language that could be interpreted as banning civilian gun possession.

CRC
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:23:25 PM EST
Not gonna happen HERE
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:23:39 PM EST

Originally Posted By KBaker:

Originally Posted By Winston_Wolf:
... Good!

... Too much later and I'm afaid I'd be too old to get some trigger time!


+1,000



You know, the older I get the more I feel like this. I'm *SO* Goddamned sick and tired of watching the left nibble away at this nation. I know in my gut that any sort of "shooting war" is going to be bloody and ugly in the extreme but I can't help but think that it's a walk in the park compared to the suffering that will happen if the socialists win.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:24:33 PM EST
I've said it before and I'll say it again:

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FUCK THE UN!!!!!
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:25:08 PM EST
They can have all my guns, but they have to take the bullets first.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:26:24 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/21/2004 3:27:32 PM EST by 1776]

Originally Posted By Winston_Wolf:
... Good!

... Too much later and I'm afaid I'd be too old to get some trigger time!





OH PLEASE GOD LET IT BE TRUE!

BRING IT ON MOTHER FUCKERS! THE SOONER THE BETTER!
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:26:39 PM EST
The UN don't even have the balls to deal with scumbag dictators in shitty little third world countries who seek to develop WMD's. So the thought of them taking away my right to own a gun just doesn't scare me. Fuck the UN. Ill do like Iran did and tell them to go fuck themselves.

-CH
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:27:18 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:28:37 PM EST
Let them come. Attempting to disarm the American people will prove most dangerous.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:29:40 PM EST
Sweet, free Sigs when the UN shows up?
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:29:43 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:38:11 PM EST
even if they pass it the UN ain't gonna do shit about it
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:40:48 PM EST

Originally Posted By 223DEVIL:
even if they pass it the UN ain't gonna do shit about it



Wouldn't American law enforcement be given UN Inspectors and then tasked with enforcement?
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:41:46 PM EST
The UN? Those cowards are afraid of their own shadow.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:42:38 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/21/2004 3:44:07 PM EST by EX11B]
MOLON LABE
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:43:58 PM EST
They can have mine anytime. Hot, empty, and with blood on it.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:48:11 PM EST
Tinfoil hats and blue helmets.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:49:09 PM EST

Originally Posted By rock71:
Tinfoil hats and blue helmets.



Sounds like something from MXC.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:49:19 PM EST
My Brother in law is a laywer, and I have had this discussion with him. The Constitution is subordinate to NOTHING. No treaty will ever take priority over the constitution and the 2nd amendment, unless the constitution is amended to get rid of the 2nd. The chances of this ever happening are slim to none. Look how hard a time they had trying to renew the assault weapons ban, and look what happened in 1994 when they enacted it.

This is why it is important to vote people into office who support the 2nd.

So calm down. Nothing like that is going to happen as long as we stay vigilant.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:49:27 PM EST
It will never happen.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:51:16 PM EST
even if this gets to the senate, I wish the senator or senators that do vote for it good luck because their gonna need it.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:51:18 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:52:09 PM EST

Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
I have but one word to add:



WOLVERINES!!!



CJ



Wouldn`t it be "Blue Dawn" in this case?
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:53:07 PM EST

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

As you probably are also already aware, SCOTUS (Supreme Court of the United States) has already ruled that international treaty is supreme and takes precedence even over the US Constitution!








For a general introduction, see rwyouth.com/article.php?article=134 Deride the source as you will. Just pull the cases. It is beyond silliness to suggest that a Constitutional provision approved by majorities in the House, Senate and 3/4 of the state legislatures can be undone by the President and 51 senators.

Link Posted: 9/21/2004 4:06:15 PM EST
With the "right combination"...read that "wrong"...of politicians in DC this would be approved with zero problems...Kerry, Cliton and Co. included.

The UN would love to try and disarm us...Hell, they ARE a collection of "scumbag dictators in shitty litte third world countries" by and large! Socialism is the new world order and most nations in the world today embrace it in some form or other...GB included (sorry Andy, but it's true!) Those who do not, embrace dictatorships of one sort or the other. We are all that is left...ALL.

As so exquisitely put by others here before me...

FUCK THE U.N.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 4:10:47 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 4:14:14 PM EST
Nothing to be concerned over! The Fed.gov has never kept a single treaty with anyone! Ask any Indian (Native American). Not even with Forign Nations also.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 4:15:45 PM EST
Nothing to be concerned over! The Fed.gov has never kept a single treaty with anyone! Ask any Indian (Native American). Not even with Forign Nations also.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 4:19:59 PM EST
Come and take them you UN pussies.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 4:20:57 PM EST
Start raising hogs, we'll need lots of them to eat up that much food.

Link Posted: 9/21/2004 4:25:25 PM EST
An endless free supply of fullauto assault rifles in NATO calibers.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 4:28:10 PM EST
Hmmm... I just got my this month's First Freedom (the monthly NRA public policy journal) and I didn't not see a mention of that in there... although there was a great article about Kerry, the UN, and Soro's unifed front to disarm us (which we all know)...there was nothing alarmist in there.

The AWB was the last gun ban. Never again. As long we keep driving more CCW states and gun ownership increases, we will keep our rights.

Let the UN come.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 4:28:15 PM EST
You don't boil a frog that way!

You can't just throw it into boiling water, the frog will immediately jump out of the kettle.

<­BR>

Nope, you first put the frog into a kettle of cool water, then you slowly start to turn up the heat until finally you have him at a full rolling boil. Sort of like starting with a NFA Act, then move on to an AWB, etc.
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