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Posted: 7/2/2010 10:11:09 PM EDT
NRA Now Leans Toward Endorsing Harry Reid?! Over Pro-Gun Republican?! WTF?!?!


NRA Now Leans Toward Endorsing Harry Reid


Posted by Erick Erickson  

Thursday, July 1st at 8:00AM EDT

Multiple sources tell me the National Rifle Association is planning to endorse liberal Harry Reid against pro-gun champion Sharron Angle.

Two weeks ago, I told you about the carveout the NRA received in exchange for their support for the DISCLOSE ACT deal.

Then this week, RedState broke the story of the “gag order” the NRA issued to members of its Board on the Kagan nomination.

Now, I’m getting credible reports that the NRA is leaning toward endorsing Harry Reid, even though the NRA is finally saying it will score a vote on Kagan — something that was not a sure thing.

Why would they do this? Why would they go out of their way to protect a Senator who has demonstrated a repeated hostility to the Second Amendment in his votes and his leadership?

Well, I thought perhaps the NRA carveout in the DISCLOSE Act might be the answer. But, there is more. It turns out, Reid secured a $61 million earmark for a gun range in Clark County, Nevada.

NRA members were recently treated to a three-page spread in the American Rifleman about a visit to Nevada by Wayne LaPierre and Chris Cox to “thank” Reid for the earmark. The article even includes a cliché picture of Reid cutting a ribbon with a gigantic pair of scissors. (Every good porker has his own giant pair of gold earmark scissors.) More here.

Here is a video of the event from Reid’s youtube site.

At 3:25, you can hear LaPierre touting Reid’s record on guns saying, “I also want to thank you, Senator, for your support every day for the Second Amendment and for the rights of American gun owners. “

The American Rifleman article also commends Reid’s Second Amendment record noting, “His dedication to this project is just one of the ways Sen. Reid has demonstrated his support for gun owners and the Second Amendment.”

Well, that’s all very nice. What politician representing a pro-gun red state wouldn’t want Wayne LaPierre to come out for a personal photo op at their earmark ribbon cutting.

But, here is the problem. Reid has not supported the Second Amendment “every day.” Or ever.

Reid has a lifetime rating of “F” from Gun Owners of America (who Ron Paul once called “the only no-compromise gun lobby in Washington”). GOA is actively supporting the 100% pro-gun Republican nominee, Sharron Angle, in her campaign to unseat Harry Reid.

But if you don’t believe GOA, see for yourself below the fold. Then call (800) 392-VOTE (8683) before it is too late and make the NRA knows they’d be betraying second amendment voters by endorsing Harry Reid.

Below are just a few of the votes that demonstrate Reid’s longstanding hostility to guns and the Second Amendment. Not included in this list is the long list of consistent and active support for anti-gun nominees to the Federal Judiciary and to high level cabinet posts. The reason I did not include anti-gun nominees is because he supported every last one of them.

June 28, 1991. Vote No. 115. Voted for a 5 day waiting period for handgun purchases.

October 21, 1993. Vote 325. Voted to eliminate the Army Civilian Marksmanship Program. Only the most fringe anti-gun Senators voted for the amendment.

November 19, 1993. Vote 385. Allow states to impose waiting periods over and above the 5 days waiting period required under the Brady Bill.

November 19, 1993. Vote 386. Voted to eliminate he 5-year sunset in the Brady Bill.

November 19, 1993. Vote 387. Voted to close off debate on the Brady Bill.

November 19, 1993. Vote 390. Voted to close off debate on the Brady Bill.

November 20, 1993. Vote 394. Voted for the Brady Bill, which imposed a 5-business-day waiting period before purchasing a handgun.

August 25, 1994. Vote 294. Voted to close off debate on the Clinton Crime Bill, which contained the ban on so-called “assault weapons.”

August 25, 1994. Vote 295. Voted for the Clinton Crime Bill, which contained the ban on so-called “assault weapons.”

April 17, 1996. Vote 64. Voted to expand the statute of limitations for paperwork violations in National Firearms Act from 3 years to 5 years.

June 27, 1996. Vote 178. Voting to destroy 176,000 M-1 Garand rifles from World War II, and 150 million rounds of 30 caliber ammunition, rather than giving them to the Federal Civilian Marksmanship program.

September 12, 1996. Vote 287. Voted to spend $21.5 million for a study on putting “taggants” in black and smokeless gunpowder.

September 12, 1996. Vote 290. Voted to make it a Federal crime to possess a gun within 1,000 yards of a school.

May 12, 1999. Vote 111. Voted to give the Treasury Department expansive new authority to regulate and keep records on gun shows and their participants, and criminalize many intrastate firearms transactions.

May 13, 1999. Vote 116. Voted to ban the importation of ammunition clips that can hold more than 10 rounds.

May 14, 1999. Vote 119. Voted to criminalize internet advertisements to sell legal firearms in a legal manner.

May 18, 1999. Vote 122. Voted to for Mandatory triggerlocks.

May 20, 1999. Vote 133. Voted to create new Federal regulation of pawn shops handling of guns.

May 20, 1999. Vote 134. Voted to give the Treasury Department expansive new authority to regulate and keep records on gun shows and their participants, and criminalize many intrastate firearms transactions. The vote was 50-50, with Vice President Gore casting the tie-breaking vote.

May 20, 1999. Vote 140. Voted for the Clinton Juvenile Justice bill, which contained a package of gun control measures.

July 29, 1999. Vote 224. Voted to close debate on the Clinton Juvenile Justice bill, which contained a package of gun control measures.

February 2, 2000. Vote 4. Voted to make firearms manufacturers and distributors’ debts nondischargeable in bankruptcy if they were sued because they unknowingly sold guns to individuals who used the gun in a crime. 68 Senators voted against Reid’s position, including 17 Democrats including Bryan of Nevada.

March 2, 2000. Vote 27. Voted to say that school violence was due to the fact that Congress “failed to pass reasonable, common-sense gun control measures” and call for new gun ownership restrictions on the anniversary of the Columbine shootings.

March 2, 2000. Vote 28. Voted to say that school violence was due to the fact that Congress “failed to pass reasonable, common-sense gun control measures” and call for new gun ownership restrictions on the anniversary of the Columbine shootings (reconsideration of vote 27).

March 2, 2000. Vote 32. Voted to use Federal taxpayer funds to hand out anti-gun literature in schools and to run anti-gun public service announcements.

April 6, 2000. Vote 64. Voted for a gun control package including new onerous restrictions on gun shows.

April 7, 2000. Vote 74. Voted against an amendment to provide for the enforcement of existing gun laws in lieu of new burdensome gun control mandates.

May 16, 2000. Vote 100. Voted to commend the participants of the so-called “Million Mom March” for their demand for more Federal restrictions on firearms ownership, and to urge the passage of strict gun control measures.

May 17, 2000. Vote 102. Vote to overturn the ruling of the chair that the Daschle amendment (commending the participants of the so-called “Million Mom March” for their demand for more Federal restrictions on firearms ownership, and to urge the passage of strict gun control measures) was out of order.

May 17, 2000. Vote 103. Voted against an amendment stating “the right of each law-abiding United States citizen to own a firearm for any legitimate purpose, including self-defense or recreation, should not be infringed.”

May 17, 2000. Vote 104. Voted for an amendment commending the participants of the so-called “Million Mom March” for their demand for more Federal restrictions on firearms ownership, and to urge the passage of strict gun control measures.

February 26, 2004. Vote 17. Voted for mandatory triggerlocks.

March 2, 2004. Vote 25. Voted for Federal regulation of gun shows.

July 28, 2005. Vote 207. Voted for mandatory triggerlocks.

March 5, 2009. Vote 83. Voted against a ban on the United Nations imposing taxes on American citizens after France and other world leaders proposed a global tax on firearms

Link Posted: 7/4/2010 7:09:00 AM EDT
There is alot of backdoor dealings going on between the NRA and the democrats

SC ruling in exchange for a Kagen nomination......
Link Posted: 7/10/2010 12:42:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/10/2010 12:42:33 PM EDT by Bushmaster1984]
I'm mixed about reid......he is Obama's troll in the senate...but his gun record is decent and no anti-gun bills have hit the senate in a long time...schumer and feinsteins silence on gun control in the last few years has been refreshing
I still would like to see Sharon Angle win the race......but it would make schumer majority leader

I guess from the news coverage sharon is the new Palin??? fun for the leftist wackos to call her a wackjob for supporting the constitution...go figure
I know that sexist POS Queef Oralmann attacks her nightly
Link Posted: 7/10/2010 9:48:16 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Bushmaster1984:
I'm mixed about reid......he is Obama's troll in the senate...but his gun record is decent and no anti-gun bills have hit the senate in a long time...schumer and feinsteins silence on gun control in the last few years has been refreshing
I still would like to see Sharon Angle win the race......but it would make schumer majority leader

I guess from the news coverage sharon is the new Palin??? fun for the leftist wackos to call her a wackjob for supporting the constitution...go figure
I know that sexist POS Queef Oralmann attacks her nightly


I'm not that mixed.  Reid has a long standing, decent stand on the 2nd.  It's not perfect, but I do love how people shout about his veto on a NATO tax on guns...  NATO doesn't work like that, nor does our tax policy.  By gum, though, it sure does sound scary.

Angle is an unknown commodity.  She tells people she doesn't have to answer questions because she isn't "owned".  The positions she does stake out are fairly extreme and more in line with what I'm starting to view as an American version of Sharia law.  She's unpredictable, undocumented and while that may seem refreshing, it should be terrifying.

Part of what excites me about the movement in Conservative circles with these smaller candidates is that it shakes things up.  What worries me is that people listen to them say "I love the Constitution" and don't demand anything beyond that.  What happens when the lobbyists start to circle when they need money to keep that seat for the 2nd go round?
Link Posted: 7/11/2010 4:23:15 AM EDT
I will say that I had heard Harry was pro 2a, and allways kinda shrugged it off, but when I saw him in American rifleman with Lapierre at a range HE had secured .gov funding for, it shocked me.
Link Posted: 7/11/2010 6:09:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/11/2010 6:13:40 AM EDT by DonofKalifornia]
Please understand this, at this point the NRA HAS NOT, HAS NOT endorsed anyone in the Nevada Senate race. This is bullshit put out by groups like goa, and other NRA haters. The NRA has ranked both Angle and Reid on both their voting record and their position on firearm issues. The NRA may endorse up to 2 weeks before the election, maybe even later, or may not endorse at all.

Do not believe anything this asshole Erick Erickson puts out, he works for CNN, as a phony conservative.
Link Posted: 7/11/2010 7:26:37 AM EDT
I am with the NRA whether they endorse reid or not, without NRA Clinton, schumer and feinstein would have gutted the 2A long ago...lib gun banners fear the NRA, and thats the way I like it
Link Posted: 7/11/2010 8:26:20 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Bushmaster1984:
I am with the NRA whether they endorse reid or not, without NRA Clinton, schumer and feinstein would have gutted the 2A long ago...lib gun banners fear the NRA, and thats the way I like it


But here's what bothers me...  The NRA should have taken a stand by now.  They are clearly waiting for poll numbers to come in before siding with a candidate.  So, rather than side with a candidate that has a good pro-2A record, they are sitting on the sideline.  Sharron Angle has shown, repeatedly, that she is against personal freedoms.  Want a gun?  Great.  Want to watch an adult film or drink a beer?  Nope.  She's on record as opposing those.

I remember porn over a 2400 baud modem.  You don't want to live in that world.  <shudder>

But more importantly, because she's only supporting personal freedoms she feels are worthy, right now, what happens when she's up for reelection?  She's seemingly pro-gun now, but what happens when the PAC that is anti-beer, anti-porn and anti-gun starts handing her money?  She continues to mouth the "Loves the Constitution" line long enough to get reelected, then starts throwing votes to her money masters.

You can say "Nu-uh, that's just a hypothetical situation, she'd never do that", but since she refuses to stand up and answer questions, you can't know that.

Man the f*ck up NRA and back a candidate that you know will work with you.  You've compromised before.  I doubt a lot of people recall you working with your supposed *Arch-Nemesis* the ACLU after Waco and Ruby Ridge.  Do something good for the country, not just your goddamn coffers.
Link Posted: 7/11/2010 12:13:33 PM EDT
I'm gonna have to some searches on Sharon Angle...I know BSNBC has been assaulting her pretty hard...so I assumed she was GTG, but if she refuses to answer questions that is an issue.  
R
Link Posted: 7/11/2010 12:36:14 PM EDT
In my book:    The NRA is on thin ice for putting the likes of Reid in my monthly subscription American Hunter.   Sure he may be pro 2A  and good for the local gun range, but can't we see what he and Pelosi have passed the last couple of years?!  Are you kidding me?!  The socialism is stifling and the NRA should know that Reid is bad ju ju.

If they go any further, they will lose my family and friends as members forever...if they have not already.

Link Posted: 7/11/2010 1:11:18 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Levi24:
In my book:    The NRA is on thin ice for putting the likes of Reid in my monthly subscription American Hunter.   Sure he may be pro 2A  and good for the local gun range, but can't we see what he and Pelosi have passed the last couple of years?!  Are you kidding me?!  The socialism is stifling and the NRA should know that Reid is bad ju ju.

If they go any further, they will lose my family and friends as members forever...if they have not already.



Dude, the NRA is about gun rights and only gun rights. It's people like YOU who I blame every time an anti-gun bill passes.
Link Posted: 7/11/2010 3:29:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DonofKalifornia:
Originally Posted By Levi24:
In my book:    The NRA is on thin ice for putting the likes of Reid in my monthly subscription American Hunter.   Sure he may be pro 2A  and good for the local gun range, but can't we see what he and Pelosi have passed the last couple of years?!  Are you kidding me?!  The socialism is stifling and the NRA should know that Reid is bad ju ju.

If they go any further, they will lose my family and friends as members forever...if they have not already.



Dude, the NRA is about gun rights and only gun rights. It's people like YOU who I blame every time an anti-gun bill passes.


First of all Mr All Caps......this aint Kalifornia and I aint your surfin buddy (dude).      Second...our gun rights will not be in place if the leftist agenda passes, tis a package deal.
Link Posted: 7/11/2010 7:05:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Bushmaster1984:
I'm gonna have to some searches on Sharon Angle...I know BSNBC has been assaulting her pretty hard...so I assumed she was GTG, but if she refuses to answer questions that is an issue.  
R


I know this might be flame worthy, so feel free to do so in a PM to keep the thread clean but here are some highlights:

This is a lot of talking points with no meaning.  What I'm most disturbed about is her call to open insurrection:

http://www.8newsnow.com/global/story.asp?s=12670353

Here's a followup with the local affiliate discussing the lack of dialog:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/us/politics/29angle.html

Here's one that I find personally reprehensible, but YMMV:

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/07/08/quote_of_the_day.html

In the end, however, she seems evasive and unstable and (I dislike this kind of thought) willing to sacrifice anyone to what she thinks is right.  If she's willing to put the screws, emotionally and physically, to rape victims, I would be concerned about any group.  Who does she decide she dictates policy to next?

Don't we have enough of that?
Link Posted: 7/11/2010 7:16:18 PM EDT
While the NRA has done some decent things, I still believe that organization to be "controlled opposition."
Link Posted: 7/11/2010 7:47:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SIPCAT-C:
While the NRA has done some decent things, I still believe that organization to be "controlled opposition."


So, as "Controlled Opposition", could you list what wrong/right they do?  

I fully admit that I was on board and in line with GoA.  They seemed like the right team...  Young, new, aggressive and dogged.  But as I started to really read their handouts and press releases, I started to realize that they were pretty much like teenagers.  Sure, they're loud about the right things, but they have zero, none, nada, zilch in the way of knowing how to make those things work.

We're still a young nation, and we're in a newly dark place, but we're still a functioning republic with a system in place to change things.  GoA is too busy pushing the agenda of those small minded monster who demand we "Vote from the rooftops" before we have another go-round at voting where we should be...  The ballot and soap boxes.

It's far too early to be a seditionist, but GoA and their ilk are already making t-shirts and beer koozies.
Link Posted: 7/16/2010 9:47:45 PM EDT
It's only fair to compare GOA and NRA by using the metric of legislative and judicial accomplishements.

Here are a few of the things that NRA has accomplished in the last few years:

The Heller case (yes, I know that they weren't originally on board)
The McDonald case (yes, I know that there were some additional issues with that, too)
CCW in Nat'l Parks
Guns on Amtrak
Death of the AWB
Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (this one was a biggie)
Defeated Prop H (handgun ban) in San Francisco

Obviously this isn't a comprehensive list and I'm a little more focused on my region (CA) than on other parts of the country.

Here's a comprehensive list of GOA's legal and legislative accomplishments:

.

See the difference?

It's easy to "never compromise" if no one listens to you.

Harry Reid isn't my favorite Senator, either. However, as far as 2A is concerned he's a much better choice as majority leader than Charles Schumer. At this point in time, it's a pipe dream to think that the Rs are going to take control of the Senate. As long as the Dems are in charge, we need the senior senator to kill anti-2A bills before they're born.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 10:49:32 AM EDT



Originally Posted By jdberger:




Harry Reid isn't my favorite Senator, either. However, as far as 2A is concerned he's a much better choice as majority leader than Charles Schumer. At this point in time, it's a pipe dream to think that the Rs are going to take control of the Senate. As long as the Dems are in charge, we need the senior senator to kill anti-2A bills before they're born.


This.  We're much better off with pro gun Reid as majority leader than rabidly anti gun Schumer or Durbin.



The combination of removing Harry Reid while leaving the Dems in control of the senate is a disaster for gun owners.



And once again, the NRA is playing chess and arf is demanding they play checkers.



 
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