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Posted: 9/9/2005 9:45:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2005 9:49:24 AM EDT by ar15bubba]
He said (on CNN) there were 2 attempted rapes, and those individuals were arrested. I thought it was a rape-fest...WTF? He was stationed at the Superdome.

What else have we been lied to about the actions of those taking refuge in the Superdome and the conditions they lived through.

Link Posted: 9/9/2005 9:48:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2005 10:23:01 AM EDT by dpmmn]
I think 99.9% of the murder victims are really strom related drowning victims myself
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 9:49:12 AM EDT
How do you know you're not being lied to now?
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 9:51:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2005 9:52:39 AM EDT by ar15bubba]

Originally Posted By ARKAN_the_Tiger:
How do you know you're not being lied to now?



He seemed like a credible individual. I cant say for sure who is lying. But reporters were talking about no food, or water at the superdome, while reporting in front of piles of food and water packages at the Superdome!
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 9:51:15 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 9:53:44 AM EDT
[IdiAmin]They were all killed in a bus accident[/IdiAmin]
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 9:54:34 AM EDT
After Columbine, they had to inspect all the student bags & lockers. They didn't find any drugs.
The guy is spinning. All the luxury boxes were broken into, you can bet rapes and murders occured.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 9:55:19 AM EDT
I guess the convention center was just fluke.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 9:56:19 AM EDT
There is an introduction his wife must be tired of.


Family reunion....

Hi, how are you?.....this is my husband, he is the chief of sex crimes.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 9:59:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:
'There were no, repeat, no rapes at the Superdome....and the door-to-door gun consication will continue.'

That's all I heard.

Eric The(Revolutionary)Hun



yup...
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 10:01:02 AM EDT
Didn't that guy used to work for the government of Iraq as a spokesman?
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 10:01:09 AM EDT


'There were no, repeat, no rapes at the Superdome...'
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 10:02:00 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 10:03:48 AM EDT
We may found out that we were lied to again and that things were not as bad as we were led to believe.

However, remember that all of these people have been removed from the city, exams were not done, police reports not filed and the police dept is a shambles in any event. Only time will tell.

I always try to remind myself though, that people lie all the time. I have often made the mistaken assumption that otheres are as honest as I am.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 10:06:39 AM EDT
maybe it depends on your definition of 'superdome'......



Link Posted: 9/9/2005 10:07:02 AM EDT
The police never had enough control there to know what the hell was going on. If 30-40 people ended up dead there, you can damn well bet there was rapes that took place. I don't believe a word of that fellow's statement.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 10:07:27 AM EDT
We may found out that we were lied to again and that things were not as bad as we were led to believe.

However, remember that all of these people have been removed from the city, exams were not done, police reports not filed and the police dept is a shambles in any event. Only time will tell.

I always try to remind myself though, that people lie all the time. I have often made the mistaken assumption that otheres are as honest as I am.




The NOLA PD was the worst, and most corrupt of any large city force. I don't trust them fer shit. They made Detroit's PD look good.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 10:08:19 AM EDT
Yep, the media machine is at work again.

Soon, all the terrible things you heard about what happened in NO will be "tinfoil" and/or totally forgotten by the vast majority of the sheep in this country.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 10:13:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By NewbHunter:
Yep, the media machine is at work again.

Soon, all the terrible things you heard about what happened in NO will be "tinfoil" and/or totally forgotten by the vast majority of the sheep in this country.



At the same time, the reports of rapes and murders came from what sources? I don't recall any media outlets saying they saw it actually happening, but just that they heard it was going on. In reality, rapes and murders would have meant better ratings, so why wouldn't they have wanted it to happen? I think the gangbang rape fest in the Superdome was overblown, unsubstantiated gossip.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 10:16:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ar15bubba:

Originally Posted By ARKAN_the_Tiger:
How do you know you're not being lied to now?



He seemed like a credible individual. I cant say for sure who is lying. But reporters were talking about no food, or water at the superdome, while reporting in front of piles of food and water packages at the Superdome!



The best politicians liars are.

Link Posted: 9/9/2005 10:17:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By jquillen1985:

Originally Posted By NewbHunter:
Yep, the media machine is at work again.

Soon, all the terrible things you heard about what happened in NO will be "tinfoil" and/or totally forgotten by the vast majority of the sheep in this country.



At the same time, the reports of rapes and murders came from what sources? I don't recall any media outlets saying they saw it actually happening, but just that they heard it was going on. In reality, rapes and murders would have meant better ratings, so why wouldn't they have wanted it to happen? I think the gangbang rape fest in the Superdome was overblown, unsubstantiated gossip.








How many rapes do you think get caught on tape, anyway?
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 10:18:07 AM EDT
dpmmn,

WTF is a victom??
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 10:20:54 AM EDT
Oh, so all of the sudden we are to believe the doom and gloomers that give us the Iraq War coverage. They are the same people you know.

Link Posted: 9/9/2005 10:22:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2005 10:23:37 AM EDT by dpmmn]

Originally Posted By jmzd4:
dpmmn,

WTF is a victim??




I typo'ed


and fixed it
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 10:23:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2005 10:26:22 AM EDT by uncle_frank]
Oh, so all of the sudden we are to believe the doom and gloomers that give us the Iraq War coverage. They are the same people you know.




It's a tough choice on who has the most credibility. A NOLA Police official, or the media.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 10:24:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By uncle_frank:
Oh, so all of the sudden we are to believe the doom and gloomers that give us the Iraq War coverage. They are the same people you know.




It if a tough choice on who has the most credibility. A NOLA Police official, or the media.



So true.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 10:28:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By uncle_frank:
Oh, so all of the sudden we are to believe the doom and gloomers that give us the Iraq War coverage. They are the same people you know.




It if a tough choice on who has the most credibility. A NOLA Police official, or the media.



+ 1

But what's he going to say? "There were several rapes, we have no suspects, our witnesses are spread out all over USA now, and the police line up would be like 10,000 young black men from inside the Superdome..."
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 10:28:53 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 10:31:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2005 10:33:22 AM EDT by Drakich]

Originally Posted By jquillen1985:

Originally Posted By NewbHunter:
Yep, the media machine is at work again.

Soon, all the terrible things you heard about what happened in NO will be "tinfoil" and/or totally forgotten by the vast majority of the sheep in this country.



At the same time, the reports of rapes and murders came from what sources? I don't recall any media outlets saying they saw it actually happening, but just that they heard it was going on. In reality, rapes and murders would have meant better ratings, so why wouldn't they have wanted it to happen? I think the gangbang rape fest in the Superdome was overblown, unsubstantiated gossip.



Well, I can think of a couple of reasons why the media might spike the story.

1. It's a sensitive subject that might prejudice weak minded Americans against folks of a certain skin color.

2. Anything certain members of people belonging to certain racial categories do while under duress is understandable given the oppression they have to endure on a daily basis. When the lights go out, it's understandable that people from lower socio-economic classes and racial minorities loot and riot. We're talking about oppression man, people's chance to get back at the system.

^^^ That is the way large segments of the media thinks, at least.

* * *

Reading eyewitness accounts from the Superdome, particularly from the British tourists, it's pretty clear the place was a madhouse. We know for a fact that murders occurred. It doesn't take a great leap of faith to believe that the rape stories are credible.

Also consider that the reports (eyewitness reports) from the Convention Center make the Superdome seem like the Garden of Eden in comparison. Girls were definitely raped and murdered there (and gang raped).

Of course the shit is ultimately going to be "unsubstantiated". There was no security presence at the Convention Center. There was no security presence INSIDE the Superdome. Everyone has been bused out to the four corners of the country, offender and victim alike. "Ma'am, could you please describe your attacker" "Uh, he was black. About 20 years old". Yeah, that's going to get an arrest and a conviction when the offender could be in any one of 20 states by now, as well as any witnesses, there's no neighborhood left to get tips from, and any forensic evidence is made insignificant by the more important dead bodies all around.

Link Posted: 9/9/2005 10:40:58 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
The police never had enough control there to know what the hell was going on. If 30-40 people ended up dead there, you can damn well bet there was rapes that took place. I don't believe a word of that fellow's statement.



Yup. Assuming the information about the 30 - 40 mutilated corpses is factual I find it astonishingly disingenuous for this guy to claim that no rapes occurred there, particularly when authorities were clearly unable to stop the murders from taking place. Are we to believe all of those corpses have already been autopsied and this guy has verified that none of them were victims of sexual assault? Are we also to believe he knows for a fact that no one inside was raped but survived and simply has not yet come forward.

Come on.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 10:48:00 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 11:20:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By COZ_45:

The rapes were an exagerration.



so they were jsut smacked on the ass a few times and fondled??
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 11:59:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2005 12:00:39 PM EDT by ar15bubba]

Originally Posted By torstin:

Originally Posted By COZ_45:

The rapes were an exagerration.



so they were jsut smacked on the ass a few times and fondled??



Maybe it was just the liberal mainstream media using finding a way of exploiting their "slaves" in order to make things seems as bad as possible for Bush.

[COCDislaimer]When I say slaves I mean that the dems are riding the back of the poor to stay in power [/COC Dislaimer]
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 12:43:07 PM EDT
Let's see.

The victims are dead and the suspect and victims fled town and are scattered all over the country.

Who's going to dispute what he says?
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 12:57:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Merrell:
www.iraqwarveterans.org/images/iraq/free/cards/baghdad-bob.jpg

'There were no, repeat, no rapes at the Superdome...'



Ok you fucker, now you owe me a keyboard!
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 12:59:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By COZ_45:
I've got team members in NO right this second and our company is La. based.

The rapes were an exagerration.



The British girls were at the very least fondled...I would trust a British student over just about anyone down in NO...
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 1:18:02 PM EDT
Yeah right.....read this account of what happened in the SuperDome.

In the two main refugee centers, however—the Superdome and the Convention Center—too many people witnessed the degeneracy for it to be ignored. The first refugees had arrived at the Superdome the day before the hurricane, on Sunday, August 28th. The last finally left the stadium on Saturday, Sept, 3, so some people may have spent nearly a week in what, after the toilets began to overflow, became known as the Sewerdome.

Preparation for refugees was pitifully inadequate. By day, as many as 25,000 people sweltered in temperatures that rose into the 100s. Whatever order had been established soon melted away, and the stadium reverted to the jungle. Young men robbed and raped with impunity. Occasional gunshots panicked the crowd. At least one man committed suicide by sailing off a high deck and splattering onto the playing field. Bodies of the murdered, and of infants and the elderly who died of heat exhaustion began to accumulate. Six babies were born in the stadium. Charles Womack, a 30-year-old roofer, said he saw one man beaten to death, and was, himself beaten with a pipe. Crack addicts—who had brought their most valuable possession with them—smoked openly and fought over drugs.

A group of about 30 British students were among the very small number of whites in the stadium, where they spent four harrowing days. Jamie Trout, 22, an economics major, wrote that the scene “was like something out of Lord of the Flies,” with “people shouting racial abuse about us being white.” One night, word came that the power was failing, and that there was only ten minutes’ worth of gas for the generators. Zoe Smith, 21, from Hull, said they all feared for their lives: “All us girls sat in the middle while the boys sat on the outside, with chairs as protection,” she said. “We were absolutely terrified, the situation had descended into chaos, people were very hostile and the living conditions were horrendous.” She sad that even during the day, “when we offered to help with the cleaning, the locals gave us abuse.”

Mr. Trout said the National Guard finally recognized how dangerous the threat was from blacks, and moved the British under guard to the basketball area, which was safer. “The army warned us to keep our bags close to us and to grip them tight,” he said, as they were escorted out. Twenty-year-old Jane Wheeldon credited one man in particular, Sgt. Garland Ogden, with getting the Britons safely out. “He went against a lot of rules to get us moved,” she said.
Looters with bags of clothing.

Australian tourists stuck in the Superdome had the same experience. Bud Hopes, a 32-year-old man from Kangaroo Point, Brisbane, took control and may have saved many lives. As the stadium reverted to anarchy he realized whites were in danger, and gathered tourists together for safety. “There were 65 of us altogether so we were able to look after each other, especially the girls who were being grabbed and threatened,” said Mr. Hopes. They organized escorts for women who had to go to the toilet or for food, and set up a roster of men to stand guard while others slept. “We sat through the night just watching each other, not knowing if we would be alive in the morning,” Mr. Hopes said. “Ninety-eight percent of the people around the world are good,” he said; “in that place 98 per cent of the people were bad.”

John McNeil of Coorparoo in Brisbane tells what happened to their group, too, heard the lights were about to go out: “I looked at Bud [Hopes] and said, ‘That will be the end of us.’ The gangs had already eyed us off. If the lights had gone out we would have been in deep trouble. We were sitting there praying for a miracle and the lights stayed on.” Mr. Hopes said the Australians owed their lives to a National Guardsman who broke the rules and got whites out to a medical center past seething crowds of blacks.

Peter McNeil of Brisbane told the Australian AP that his son John was one of the 65 who managed to get out. The blacks were reportedly so hostile “they would stab you as soon as look at you.” “He’s never been so scared in his life,” explained Mr. McNeil. “He just said they had to get out of the dark. Otherwise, another night, he said, they would have been gone.” No American newspaper wrote about what these white tourists had gone through.

When guardsmen began to show up in force on Sept. 1 and take control, some blacks met them with cheers, but others shouted obscenities at them. Capt. John Pollard of the Texas Air Force National Guard said 20,000 people were in the dome when the evacuation began, but thousands more appeared from surrounding areas when word got out that there were buses leaving town. Soldiers held their M-16s and grenade-launchers ready, and kept a sharp eye out for snipers.

That same day, when it was time to board buses for Houston, soldiers had trouble controlling the crowd. People at the back of the mob crushed the people in front against barricades the soldiers put up to contain the crowd. Many people continued to yell obscenities whenever they saw a patrol go by. Some were afraid of losing their place in line and defecated where they stood. The Army Times reported that Sgt. 1st Class Ron Dixon of the Oklahoma National Guard had recently come home from Afghanistan. He said he was struck by the fact Afghanis wanted to help themselves, but that the people of New Orleans only wanted others to help them.
Refugees at the Superdome.

By the evening of Sept. 3, the Superdome was finally evacuated, but the state-of-the-art stadium was a reeking cavern of filth, human waste, and an unknown number of corpses. It, too, had been looted of everything not bolted down. Janice Singleton was working at the stadium when the storm hit. She said she was robbed of everything she had, including her shoes. As for the building: “They tore that dome apart,” she said sadly. “They tore it down. They taking everything out of there they can take.”

If anything, conditions were worse at the Convention Center. Although on high ground not far from the stadium, it had not been designated as a shelter. It was, however, beyond reach of the high water, and soon some 20,000 people were huddled in its cavernous halls. There were no supplies or staff, and for several days neither FEMA nor the National Guard seems to have known anyone was there.

Armed gangs took control, and occasional gunshots caused panic. There was no power, and at night the center was plunged into complete darkness. Degeneracy struck almost immediately, with rapes, robbery, and murder. Terrible shrieking tore through the night, but no one could see or dared to move. When Police Chief Eddie Compass heard what was happening, he sent a squad of 88 officers to investigate. They were overwhelmed by superior forces and retreated, leaving thousands to the mercy of criminals.

It was not until Sept. 2—four days after the hurricane—that a force of 1,000 National Guardsmen finally took over from the armed gangs. “Had we gone in with a lesser force we may have been challenged, innocents may have been caught in a fight between the guard and military police and those who did not want to be processed or apprehended,” explained Lieutenant-General Blum.

Sitting with her daughter and other relatives, Trolkyn Joseph, 37, told a reporter that men had wandered the center at night raping and murdering children. She said she found a dead 14-year old girl at 5 a.m. on Friday morning, four hours after the girl went missing. “She was raped for four hours until she was dead,” Miss Joseph said through tears. “Another child, a seven-year old boy, was found raped and murdered in the kitchen freezer last night.”

Africa Brumfield, 32, explained that women were in particular fear: “There is rapes going on here. Women cannot go to the bathroom without men. They are raping them and slitting their throats.” Donald Anderson, 43, was at the convention center with his wife who was six months pregnant: “We circled the chairs like wagons because at night there are stampedes,” he said. “We had to survive.”

The very few whites in the crowd were terrified. Eighty-year-old Selma Valenti, who was with her husband, said blacks threatened to kill them on Thursday, Sept. 1. “They hated us. Four young black men told us the buses were going to come last night and pick up the elderly so they were going to kill us,” she said, sobbing. Presumably, the blacks wanted to take their places on the buses.

The center was not entirely without a form of rough justice. A National Guardsman reported that a man who had raped and killed a young girl in the bathroom was caught by the crowd—which beat him to death.

At one time there were as many as seven or eight corpses in front of the center, some of them with blood streaming from bullet wounds. Inside, there was an emergency morgue, but a National Guardsman refused to let a Reuters photographer in to take pictures. “We’re not letting anyone in there anymore,” he said. “If you want to take pictures of dead bodies, go to Iraq.” By Saturday, Sept. 3, the center was mostly cleared of the living. Refugees pulled shirts over their noses trying to block out the smell as they walked past rotting bodies.
The evacuation begins.

By the weekend, there were an estimated 50,000 soldiers and federal rescue workers in the city, but even the massive presence did not bring calm. On Sunday, Sept. 4, contractors working for the US Army Corps of Engineers came under fire. Their police escort returned fire, in what became a running gun battle. Deputy Police Chief W.J. Riley said police killed four of the attackers.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 1:29:01 PM EDT
As usual, most folks just believe what they want to believe.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 1:40:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By uncle_frank:
Oh, so all of the sudden we are to believe the doom and gloomers that give us the Iraq War coverage. They are the same people you know.




It's a tough choice on who has the most credibility. A NOLA Police official, or the media.



I think I'd take Dan Rather's word over a NOLa cop
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 1:49:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By COZ_45:
I've got team members in NO right this second and our company is La. based.

The rapes were an exagerration.




Good to know...

Link Posted: 9/9/2005 1:59:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2005 1:59:35 PM EDT by Lazer80]

Originally Posted By arowneragain:
maybe it depends on your definition of 'superdome'......



parallel.park.org/UnitedStates/bill-portrait.gif



that was a pretty good 1..
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 2:13:25 PM EDT
My wife told me that on Oprah's special on NO's the other day several people there said they sere raping young girls that went to womens bathroom.And that there were several people smoking crack,fights etc at super dome.

Considering the looting and general mayhem outside you can just iagine what it like on the inside.I guess the Pr rep is going to tell us no one was shooting at helicopters etc.

He is full of shit.PR stands for "trying to sugar coat a shit sandwich"
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 2:16:44 PM EDT
I bet if you compare the period of time Katrina was around, crime in NO was down dramatically vice the crap we are being fed. How many rapes and murders were occuring in NO on any given day.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 2:20:33 PM EDT
Remember the rumor and gossip mill is running full strength. Ask how many folks that claim it happened if they saw it (whatever it is), or just heard about it from someone else.

Bet ya everyone just heard about it.

It being boats being snuck in to rescue only the white folks, rapes at the super dome, armed hijackings of army convoys, etc etc.

More likely is fewer real incidents, and lots of overblown exaggerations of real events.

Link Posted: 9/9/2005 2:22:01 PM EDT
Well, according to the people I deal with every day at our shlter, there were rapes. And I believe them. I have heard such horror stories!
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