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Posted: 1/8/2005 7:57:36 PM EDT

I asked this in another thread, but I thought it would get more discussion as its own topic.

This may be a dumb question, but is it possible to access the NFA registry? I see so much speculation on this forum about what may or may not exist and in what quantity. Surely there is a list somewhere. Who has access to it? Only the ATF?

Obviously, we don't have any business knowing who has what and where, but I don't see what harm could come of knowing what all is out there. Maybe I'm missing something.

Posted: 1/8/2005 7:58:39 PM EDT

[#1]

I've been wondering this exact same thing. I don't want to know who owns what -- just curious about how many of what is out there.

Posted: 1/8/2005 7:59:13 PM EDT

[#2]

Your local popo station should tell you what NFA weapons they own.

If not sue them. They are a public agency.

CRC

Posted: 1/8/2005 8:01:15 PM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:
Your local popo station should tell you what NFA weapons they own.

If not sue them. They are a public agency.

CRC

I was thinking more along the lines of transferrable pieces in civilian hands.

Posted: 1/8/2005 8:02:12 PM EDT

[#4]

No, it is not possible to access the NFA registry. Registration forms are considered confidential tax documents and aren't released to the public. Besides, the registry is in such a mess do you really think the BATF would open it up to the public even if they could

Posted: 1/8/2005 8:02:50 PM EDT

[#5]

Sorry boys, those are tax records.

EDIT: Beat by 38 seconds

Posted: 1/8/2005 8:03:21 PM EDT

[#6]

There was an article that someone posted here about the number of machine guns in this country. They had the exact number of registered MG, and they even knew which state had the most (oddly enough, I think it was CA).

They know who has what and how many of each there are in circulation.

Posted: 1/8/2005 8:04:35 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
There was an article that someone posted here about the number of machine guns in this country. They had the exact number of registered MG, and they even knew which state had the most (oddly enough, I think it was CA).

They know who has what and how many of each there are in circulation.

BATF released those figures. Not that the registry is accurate....

Posted: 1/8/2005 8:05:07 PM EDT

[#8]

Yes but your local Sheriff Dept or PD should be able to tell you yes we have "x of MP-5s for the ERT Team, ect."

CRC

Posted: 1/8/2005 8:06:29 PM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
No, it is not possible to access the NFA registry. Registration forms are considered confidential tax documents and aren't released to the public. Besides, the registry is in such a mess do you really think the BATF would open it up to the public even if they could

Of course the details of who owns what should be confidential, but I just don't see the harm in simply knowing what all is transferrable.

What makes the registry messy? Is it just typical .gov paperwork and record-keeping practices?

Posted: 1/8/2005 8:10:24 PM EDT

[#10]

This is not a straight answer, but a rant. For years (and perhaps even today) BATFE agents engaged in systematic fraud and perjury by testifying in court in NFA cases that the registry was complete (and that Mr. Jones's MG wasn't on the registry and was therefore illegally possessed) despite the fact that every single person who so testified knew that the registry has always been incomplete and that there have always been an unknown number of MGs out there, for which the owners held papers, which were not listed in the NFA registry. I hope that each of those bastards and the lawyers who instructed them will die a sudden, violent and painful death, and that God will subject each of them to everlasting torment.

Posted: 1/8/2005 8:11:07 PM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:
Quoted:
No, it is not possible to access the NFA registry. Registration forms are considered confidential tax documents and aren't released to the public. Besides, the registry is in such a mess do you really think the BATF would open it up to the public even if they could

Of course the details of who owns what should be confidential, but I just don't see the harm in simply knowing what all is transferrable.

What makes the registry messy? Is it just typical .gov paperwork and record-keeping practices?

There are tons of instances where machinegun dealers have been inventoried by the BATF and the records didn't match up. Guns that had been long sold were still shown by the BATF to be in inventory, or guns in inventory were never shown to have been transferred.

This happens to individuals on occasion as well which is why it is so important to keep your original documents as proof that you have a legally registered weapon.

Posted: 1/8/2005 8:14:40 PM EDT

[#12]

There are tons of instances where machinegun dealers have been inventoried by the BATF and the records didn't match up. Guns that had been long sold were still shown by the BATF to be in inventory, or guns in inventory were never shown to have been transferred.

This happens to individuals on occasion as well which is why it is so important to keep your original documents as proof that you have a legally registered weapon.

I wasn't aware of that. Pretty scary to think about having an NFA weapon and not having all your ducks in a row.

Posted: 1/8/2005 8:19:59 PM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:

There are tons of instances where machinegun dealers have been inventoried by the BATF and the records didn't match up. Guns that had been long sold were still shown by the BATF to be in inventory, or guns in inventory were never shown to have been transferred.

This happens to individuals on occasion as well which is why it is so important to keep your original documents as proof that you have a legally registered weapon.

I wasn't aware of that. Pretty scary to think about having an NFA weapon and not having all your ducks in a row.

If you want more info go to ]www.subguns.com

You'll find the most knowledgeble individuals on NFA laws there as well as some pretty good stories. Ask any question and you'll have the correct answer in just a few minutes.

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