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Posted: 10/8/2014 7:11:30 AM EDT
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The NFA sends out alot of junkmail and calls wanting money all the time.
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Posted: 10/8/2014 7:11:52 AM EDT
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Worthy goals and you have to start somewhere. However, I'll be long dead before those goals are fully realized. 
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Posted: 10/8/2014 7:13:32 AM EDT
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Very worthwhile goals and I'd be in for a membership if I see that this is the real deal.
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Posted: 10/8/2014 7:20:49 AM EDT
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Thanks. Followed, and status update shared. Hoping they grow into more than a Facebook page...
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Posted: 10/8/2014 7:28:19 AM EDT
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Who is it?
What is their experience? What is their access? |
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Posted: 10/8/2014 7:31:50 AM EDT
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Their goals sound good. I'll be keeping an eye on them.
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Posted: 10/8/2014 7:34:42 AM EDT
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Who is it? What is their experience? What is their access? This. |
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Posted: 10/8/2014 7:47:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who is it? What is their experience? What is their access? These are my questions, I support the ice, but do they actually have access. The American Suppressor Association has been bale to have some meetings, but we haven't seen much.
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Posted: 10/8/2014 8:10:00 AM EDT
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Who is it? What is their experience? What is their access? Stop being logical when people are getting their feels on! |
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Posted: 10/8/2014 8:11:58 AM EDT
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Who is it? What is their experience? What is their access? ATF 
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Posted: 10/8/2014 8:22:12 AM EDT
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Who is it? What is their experience? What is their access? Stop being logical when people are getting their feels on! I only have so much money. There are so many huxsters out there I want to know my money is doing good for the 2A and not for some dude on facebook. Nothing personal. |
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Posted: 10/8/2014 10:30:29 AM EDT
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I only have so much money. There are so many huxsters out there I want to know my money is doing good for the 2A and not for some dude on facebook. Nothing personal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Who is it? What is their experience? What is their access? Stop being logical when people are getting their feels on! I only have so much money. There are so many huxsters out there I want to know my money is doing good for the 2A and not for some dude on facebook. Nothing personal. Especially considering OP is a FOB with 44 posts. Color me skeptical. 
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Posted: 10/8/2014 1:55:22 PM EDT
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Especially considering OP is a FOB with 44 posts. Color me skeptical. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Who is it? What is their experience? What is their access? Stop being logical when people are getting their feels on! I only have so much money. There are so many huxsters out there I want to know my money is doing good for the 2A and not for some dude on facebook. Nothing personal. Especially considering OP is a FOB with 44 posts. Color me skeptical. Did any of you bother to Google the organization, or does your curiosity/skepticism begin and end with a one-page ARFCOM thread? The NFA Freedom Alliance is run by Todd Rathner, an NRA board member who serves on the NRA's Legislative Affairs Committee. Besides having lobbied for the National Rifle Association and the Arizona State Rifle and Pistol Association, he previously served as the chief lobbyist for the American Suppressor Association and currently serves as the chief lobbyist for Knife Rights. Here is the website: http://www.NFAFA.org Todd is a friend, and I can assure you that he has as much access as anyone in the business and is the furthest thing from a huckster. |
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Posted: 10/8/2014 2:00:59 PM EDT
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Did any of you bother to Google the organization, or does your curiosity/skepticism begin and end with a one-page ARFCOM thread? The NFA Freedom Alliance is run by Todd Rathner, an NRA board member who serves on the NRA's Legislative Affairs Committee. Besides having lobbied for the National Rifle Association and the Arizona State Rifle and Pistol Association, he previously served as the chief lobbyist for the American Suppressor Association and currently serves as the chief lobbyist for Knife Rights. Here is the website: http://www.NFAFA.org Todd is a friend, and I can assure you that he has as much access as anyone in the business and is the furthest thing from a huckster. See how easy that was. YOu just answered all three of my questions. Now, as chief lobbyist of the American Suppressor Association, what were his notable accomplishments? Your assurances are noted, but they are guys like Dudley and the incessantly fund raising GOA NHSA, etc etc etc. out there promising much, asking for more, and contributing little. |
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Posted: 10/8/2014 2:10:17 PM EDT
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See how easy that was. YOu just answered all three of my questions. Now, as chief lobbyist of the American Suppressor Association, what were his notable accomplishments? Your assurances are noted, but they are guys like Dudley and the incessantly fund raising GOA NHSA, etc etc etc. out there promising much, asking for more, and contributing little. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Did any of you bother to Google the organization, or does your curiosity/skepticism begin and end with a one-page ARFCOM thread? The NFA Freedom Alliance is run by Todd Rathner, an NRA board member who serves on the NRA's Legislative Affairs Committee. Besides having lobbied for the National Rifle Association and the Arizona State Rifle and Pistol Association, he previously served as the chief lobbyist for the American Suppressor Association and currently serves as the chief lobbyist for Knife Rights. Here is the website: http://www.NFAFA.org Todd is a friend, and I can assure you that he has as much access as anyone in the business and is the furthest thing from a huckster. See how easy that was. YOu just answered all three of my questions. Now, as chief lobbyist of the American Suppressor Association, what were his notable accomplishments? Your assurances are noted, but they are guys like Dudley and the incessantly fund raising GOA NHSA, etc etc etc. out there promising much, asking for more, and contributing little. I would also like to know more. |
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Posted: 10/8/2014 2:13:58 PM EDT
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I'll bet that this outfit won't have a guy like Joaquin Jackson on it's board of directors... Ever, much less consistently helping him win re-election.
It looks like a good organization to look deeper into and support if they prove to be legitimate and are what they appear to be. Look for a lot of NRA only guys to rabidly work against them. Work to support these types of forward thinking groups while voting in every NRA BOD election to purge the Joaquin Jacksons and all others like him.
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Posted: 10/8/2014 2:39:44 PM EDT
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I'll bet that this outfit won't have a guy like Joaquin Jackson on it's board of directors... Ever, much less consistently helping him win re-election. It looks like a good organization to look deeper into and support if they prove to be legitimate and are what they appear to be. Look for a lot of NRA only guys to rabidly work against them. Work to support these types of forward thinking groups while voting in every NRA BOD election to purge the Joaquin Jacksons and all others like him. Wait. Isn't this organization from someone deeply involved with the NRA? Aren't we all on the same team here? |
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Posted: 10/8/2014 2:45:33 PM EDT
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NFAFA Mission: The NFAFA will be the strongest direct action/lobbying organization working at the state and federal level to ease restrictions on the ownership, manufacture, sale, and use of items regulated by the National Firearms Act (NFA). Goals: • Introduce and enact “Shall Certify” legislation in the remaining 43 states, where it is not yet law. • Identify states where NFA items are illegal and “defense to prosecution” (DTP) is the only protection for NFA owners . • Work to repeal and replace “DTP” with statutes that affirmatively protect ownership of NFA weapons. • Identify states that do not allow hunting with suppressors and enact legislation to allow such activities. • Remove state-level prohibitions against the possession of NFA items. • Work closely with the ATF’s NFA Branch to improve the forms approval process, including optimizing the “e-filing” system. • Work closely with the ATF’s NFA Branch to expedite the Form 3 process. • Work with the U.S. Congress to eventually eliminate the Form 3 Process. • Work with the U.S. Congress to eventually eliminate CLEO certification. • Work with Congress to repeal the “Hughes Amendment.” • Work with Congress to remove silencers, short-barreled rifles, and short-barreled shotguns from NFA regulatory control. What do you think? https://www.facebook.com/NFAFreedomAlliance You have my attention. |
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Posted: 10/8/2014 2:46:53 PM EDT
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Worthy goals and you have to start somewhere. However, I'll be long dead before those goals are fully realized. This
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Posted: 10/8/2014 2:50:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/8/2014 2:53:51 PM EDT
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See how easy that was. YOu just answered all three of my questions. Now, as chief lobbyist of the American Suppressor Association, what were his notable accomplishments? Your assurances are noted, but they are guys like Dudley and the incessantly fund raising GOA NHSA, etc etc etc. out there promising much, asking for more, and contributing little. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Did any of you bother to Google the organization, or does your curiosity/skepticism begin and end with a one-page ARFCOM thread? The NFA Freedom Alliance is run by Todd Rathner, an NRA board member who serves on the NRA's Legislative Affairs Committee. Besides having lobbied for the National Rifle Association and the Arizona State Rifle and Pistol Association, he previously served as the chief lobbyist for the American Suppressor Association and currently serves as the chief lobbyist for Knife Rights. Here is the website: http://www.NFAFA.org Todd is a friend, and I can assure you that he has as much access as anyone in the business and is the furthest thing from a huckster. See how easy that was. YOu just answered all three of my questions. Now, as chief lobbyist of the American Suppressor Association, what were his notable accomplishments? Your assurances are noted, but they are guys like Dudley and the incessantly fund raising GOA NHSA, etc etc etc. out there promising much, asking for more, and contributing little. Rathner's most notable accomplishments as chief lobbyist for the ASA: • Drafted, filed, and enacted laws permitting hunting with suppressors, in at least four states. • Developed the concept of CLEO “Shall Certify” legislation and worked to pass it in five states. • Represented the American Silencer Association and its members in meetings with the BATFE, regarding the efile system, proposed federal regulation 41P, and other issues. |
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Posted: 10/8/2014 2:55:31 PM EDT
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Rathner's other notable accomplishments:
• Strengthened and improved Arizona’s firearms preemption law, which repealed dozens of local gun control ordinances and prohibits new local ordinances from being enacted. • Served as one of the chief architects of Arizona’s Constitutional Carry law, which removed the requirement that a citizen obtain a license before carrying a gun for self defense. • Introduced, passed, and enacted Knife Law Preemption in seven states, thereby, repealing local knife laws and preventing new ones from being enacted. • Repealed the ban on switchblade knives and knives exceeding an arbitrary length, in seven states. • Drafted and helped to enact numerous laws allowing shooters to utilize public and private lands and protecting public shooting ranges from closure. • Assisted in the drafting and introduction of the Knife Owners Protection Act, which is still pending before the United States Congress. • Assisted in drafting policies to allow hunters to travel with firearms as checked baggage, in the wake of the 9/11 tragedy. • Defeated anti-Second Amendment proposals in numerous states. • Has appeared on various programs on Fox News, National Public Radio, Huffpost Live, and many local television and radio outlets. • Has been featured as an expert on Second Amendment lobbying, in The New York Times, The Arizona Republic, The Huffington Post, and many others. |
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Posted: 10/8/2014 3:03:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait. Isn't this organization from someone deeply involved with the NRA? Aren't we all on the same team here? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'll bet that this outfit won't have a guy like Joaquin Jackson on it's board of directors... Ever, much less consistently helping him win re-election. It looks like a good organization to look deeper into and support if they prove to be legitimate and are what they appear to be. Look for a lot of NRA only guys to rabidly work against them. Work to support these types of forward thinking groups while voting in every NRA BOD election to purge the Joaquin Jacksons and all others like him. Wait. Isn't this organization from someone deeply involved with the NRA? Aren't we all on the same team here? Joaquin Jackson is a cunt.
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Posted: 10/8/2014 3:06:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait. Isn't this organization from someone deeply involved with the NRA? Aren't we all on the same team here? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'll bet that this outfit won't have a guy like Joaquin Jackson on it's board of directors... Ever, much less consistently helping him win re-election. It looks like a good organization to look deeper into and support if they prove to be legitimate and are what they appear to be. Look for a lot of NRA only guys to rabidly work against them. Work to support these types of forward thinking groups while voting in every NRA BOD election to purge the Joaquin Jacksons and all others like him. Wait. Isn't this organization from someone deeply involved with the NRA? Aren't we all on the same team here? Yes. He appears to be doing something outside of the NRA confines that the NRA dabbles in but doesn't get too serious about. He seems to have seen a need for alternative action and is doing something about it. That should be encouraged, IMO. I also suggest that the NRA needs some fixing from within, as my comment to vote every BOD election should indicate. Are you ok with Joaquin Jackson being re-elected every time he is eligible to do so? Why do I hear so little about that from those who defend the NRA, even from those who are voting members? I advocate that folks be voting NRA members to improve it, while at the same time encouraging the efforts of those who see the narrow view of the NRA as an opportunity to attack the tougher issues that they seem to avoid through other organizations. Sending the NRA money as a yearly member and not voting or being informed is a foolish endeavor that is proven by the likes of JJ. Blind support is the best way to ensure those who should not be in the NRA leadership continue to be there. |
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Posted: 10/8/2014 3:08:42 PM EDT
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• Work with Congress to repeal the “Hughes Amendment.” • Work with Congress to remove silencers, short-barreled rifles, and short-barreled shotguns from NFA regulatory control. This. |
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Posted: 10/8/2014 3:10:58 PM EDT
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Damn... I read that as NRA Freedom Alliance and thought this actually had a chance at some traction. Never gonna happen. But if it does, I'll be the first to say I supported it. (Just like the NRA likes to do when other gun groups score a victory
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Posted: 10/8/2014 3:12:02 PM EDT
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Tagged for more info.
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Posted: 10/8/2014 3:17:38 PM EDT
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Rathner's most notable accomplishments as chief lobbyist for the ASA: • Drafted, filed, and enacted laws permitting hunting with suppressors, in at least four states. • Developed the concept of CLEO “Shall Certify” legislation and worked to pass it in five states. • Represented the American Silencer Association and its members in meetings with the BATFE, regarding the efile system, proposed federal regulation 41P, and other issues. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Did any of you bother to Google the organization, or does your curiosity/skepticism begin and end with a one-page ARFCOM thread? The NFA Freedom Alliance is run by Todd Rathner, an NRA board member who serves on the NRA's Legislative Affairs Committee. Besides having lobbied for the National Rifle Association and the Arizona State Rifle and Pistol Association, he previously served as the chief lobbyist for the American Suppressor Association and currently serves as the chief lobbyist for Knife Rights. Here is the website: http://www.NFAFA.org Todd is a friend, and I can assure you that he has as much access as anyone in the business and is the furthest thing from a huckster. See how easy that was. YOu just answered all three of my questions. Now, as chief lobbyist of the American Suppressor Association, what were his notable accomplishments? Your assurances are noted, but they are guys like Dudley and the incessantly fund raising GOA NHSA, etc etc etc. out there promising much, asking for more, and contributing little. Rathner's most notable accomplishments as chief lobbyist for the ASA: • Drafted, filed, and enacted laws permitting hunting with suppressors, in at least four states. • Developed the concept of CLEO “Shall Certify” legislation and worked to pass it in five states. • Represented the American Silencer Association and its members in meetings with the BATFE, regarding the efile system, proposed federal regulation 41P, and other issues. Wait..., what? |
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Posted: 10/8/2014 3:26:41 PM EDT
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Is this an attempt to promote a business you have a personal affiliation with through a personal account?
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Posted: 10/8/2014 3:33:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/8/2014 4:09:38 PM EDT
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Is this an attempt to promote a business you have a personal affiliation with through a personal account?
What do you mean by "personal affiliation?" As I explained, my personal affiliation is that Todd Rathner is a friend. If you're asking if I have any personal stake in or professional affiliation with the group, I did some pro bono proofreading of the literature and website copy Todd prepared prior to launching the group, and if/when the group becomes large enough to need professional writing/copy editing services, I may add them to my client list, but I'm not in the habit of defending every upstart company or organization that has the potential to someday be a client. I'm defending the group because Todd is a friend and because I believe in what he is trying to accomplish. I understand that, in the wake of groups like NAGR, the gun rights community is skeptical about upstart groups, but it doesn't help the larger cause if we approach every upstart organization with the view that there must be some sort of conspiracy or ulterior motive behind its founding. Look at the group's leaders (are they capable?), the group's message (is it credible?), and the group's tactics (are they proven effective?)--that should provide you with 99% of the information you need. |
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Posted: 10/8/2014 4:11:55 PM EDT
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Rathner's most notable accomplishments as chief lobbyist for the ASA: • Drafted, filed, and enacted laws permitting hunting with suppressors, in at least four states. • Developed the concept of CLEO “Shall Certify” legislation and worked to pass it in five states. • Represented the American Silencer Association and its members in meetings with the BATFE, regarding the efile system, proposed federal regulation 41P, and other issues. Wait..., what? I think you're misreading that. Todd represented ASA in meetings with the BATFE regarding proposed federal regulation 41P. |
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Posted: 10/8/2014 5:33:04 PM EDT
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I think you're misreading that. Todd represented ASA in meetings with the BATFE regarding proposed federal regulation 41P. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rathner's most notable accomplishments as chief lobbyist for the ASA: • Drafted, filed, and enacted laws permitting hunting with suppressors, in at least four states. • Developed the concept of CLEO “Shall Certify” legislation and worked to pass it in five states. • Represented the American Silencer Association and its members in meetings with the BATFE, regarding the efile system, proposed federal regulation 41P, and other issues. Wait..., what? I think you're misreading that. Todd represented ASA in meetings with the BATFE regarding proposed federal regulation 41P. Hello Guys! Yes Douva is correct. Before I resigned from the ASA, I was present at meetings representing the ASA regarding "proposed federal regulation 41P". I am here to answer ANY questions you have about the NFAFA and if you should join or not. Fire away! BTW, because of this thread my full bio will be posted on the NFAFA website asap. I should have launched with it but I didn't want it to be about me. But now I realize that before anyone will contribute they want to know who is running things. Todd Rathner |
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Posted: 10/8/2014 5:55:03 PM EDT
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Hello Guys! Yes Douva is correct. Before I resigned from the ASA, I was present at meetings representing the ASA regarding "proposed federal regulation 41P". I am here to answer ANY questions you have about the NFAFA and if you should join or not. Fire away! BTW, because of this thread my full bio will be posted on the NFAFA website asap. I should have launched with it but I didn't want it to be about me. But now I realize that before anyone will contribute they want to know who is running things. Todd Rathner Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rathner's most notable accomplishments as chief lobbyist for the ASA: • Drafted, filed, and enacted laws permitting hunting with suppressors, in at least four states. • Developed the concept of CLEO “Shall Certify” legislation and worked to pass it in five states. • Represented the American Silencer Association and its members in meetings with the BATFE, regarding the efile system, proposed federal regulation 41P, and other issues. Wait..., what? I think you're misreading that. Todd represented ASA in meetings with the BATFE regarding proposed federal regulation 41P. Hello Guys! Yes Douva is correct. Before I resigned from the ASA, I was present at meetings representing the ASA regarding "proposed federal regulation 41P". I am here to answer ANY questions you have about the NFAFA and if you should join or not. Fire away! BTW, because of this thread my full bio will be posted on the NFAFA website asap. I should have launched with it but I didn't want it to be about me. But now I realize that before anyone will contribute they want to know who is running things. Todd Rathner Appreciate you showing up. 41P is a big issue. BLUF Why do you think you will be successful? Would lobbying the NRA to get involved be more useful then setting up a new organization? Lots of people have passion. |
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Posted: 10/8/2014 6:08:08 PM EDT
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Hello Guys! Yes Douva is correct. Before I resigned from the ASA, I was present at meetings representing the ASA regarding "proposed federal regulation 41P". I am here to answer ANY questions you have about the NFAFA and if you should join or not. Fire away! BTW, because of this thread my full bio will be posted on the NFAFA website asap. I should have launched with it but I didn't want it to be about me. But now I realize that before anyone will contribute they want to know who is running things. Todd Rathner Thanks for stopping by to introduce yourself. I'm personally very excited to see the formation of a group specifically targeting the NFA. This is exactly the sort of action I've been wanting to see from the NRA (and GOA and SAF and Heller Foundation), but obviously they've left a void that your group is now stepping in to fill. I'd like to hear what you think about getting SBRs/SBSs off the NFA. It seems like it would be easier than supressors, since it's just an arbitrary barrel length being regulated instead of an actual type of firearm or firearm accessory. And things like AR pistols, especially with the Sig brace, show what a ridiculous and ineffective rule it is. Plus I think there would be far less opposition to SBRs being made legal, since most people have no idea what that even is, where the liberals would come out of the woodwork screaming about blood in the streets if those deadly Hollywood "silencers" were suddenly available in hardware stores. |
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Posted: 10/8/2014 6:33:11 PM EDT
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Rathner's most notable accomplishments as chief lobbyist for the ASA: • Drafted, filed, and enacted laws permitting hunting with suppressors, in at least four states. • Developed the concept of CLEO “Shall Certify” legislation and worked to pass it in five states. • Represented the American Silencer Association and its members in meetings with the BATFE, regarding the efile system, proposed federal regulation 41P, and other issues. Wait..., what? I think you're misreading that. Todd represented ASA in meetings with the BATFE regarding proposed federal regulation 41P. Ok, i see it now... "proposed" as an adjective, not as a verb. Thanks for the clear-up. |
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Posted: 10/8/2014 6:46:20 PM EDT
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Questions:
1- do you plan to only pursue action legislatively, or also through the courts? 2- if one does not want to join, but would rather donate to support your efforts, how can it be done? 3- if one wants a 1-year membership, but would also like to purchase the patch, how to do that? 4- how do you plan to give members the ability to keep the organization accountable for use of funds? |
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Posted: 10/8/2014 6:48:21 PM EDT
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Pricing a one year top tier membership at several times the cost of most other gun organizations lifetime membership cost seems foolish.
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Posted: 10/8/2014 6:50:34 PM EDT
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The removal of any item from NFA regulation is going to be a function of being ready to RECOGNIZE and exploit an opportunity when it presents itself. If we have no NFA specific organization and suddenly end up with a friendly senate and president then we have to rely upon other 2A orgs to get it done. Now if we have a strong and vital, NFA focused org ready to fight the fight when the opportunity presents itself, we will be more likely to be successful.
I don't want to blow blue sky and sunshine at you...the chance of getting these things removed from the NFA TODAY are nearly ZERO. But we have to have a vision and be prepared to be proactive instead of reactive. In the meantime there is a ton of stuff that we need to do at the state level to help NFA owners. From "shall certify" legislation to repealing and replacing the very dangerous "defense to prosecution" laws in TX, OK, TN and other states. I have the strategy, the plan, and even have some bills drafted...I just need the "fuel" in the tank to get it done! Todd |
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Posted: 10/8/2014 6:55:37 PM EDT
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Pricing a one year top tier membership at several times the cost of most other gun organizations lifetime membership cost seems foolish. Other than the NRA no other gun organization has full time lobbyists. For me to travel to lobby for you it costs roughly $3,000 per trip. You must realize that when a legislature holds a hearing I get about 2-3 days notice. That means I cannot get discounted air, car, or room rates. I have to go when called. With a $300 million a year budget that is peanuts for the NRA. So they can afford to have members at $25 a year. If I am going to actually accomplish the goals of the organization I need to be able to be in the capitols doing the job. I am not like other orgs who I won't name, who is simply a fundraising machine making a living off of $25 donations while sitting in an office in Colorado. NFAFA is a different kind of animal. Todd |
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Posted: 10/8/2014 6:59:04 PM EDT
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Other than the NRA no other gun organization has full time lobbyists. For me to travel to lobby for you it costs roughly $3,000 per trip. You must realize that when a legislature holds a hearing I get about 2-3 days notice. That means I cannot get discounted air, car, or room rates. I have to go when called. With a $300 million a year budget that is peanuts for the NRA. So they can afford to have members at $25 a year. If I am going to actually accomplish the goals of the organization I need to be able to be in the capitols doing the job. I am not like other orgs who I won't name, who is simply a fundraising machine making a living off of $25 donations while sitting in an office in Colorado. NFAFA is a different kind of animal. Todd Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pricing a one year top tier membership at several times the cost of most other gun organizations lifetime membership cost seems foolish. Other than the NRA no other gun organization has full time lobbyists. For me to travel to lobby for you it costs roughly $3,000 per trip. You must realize that when a legislature holds a hearing I get about 2-3 days notice. That means I cannot get discounted air, car, or room rates. I have to go when called. With a $300 million a year budget that is peanuts for the NRA. So they can afford to have members at $25 a year. If I am going to actually accomplish the goals of the organization I need to be able to be in the capitols doing the job. I am not like other orgs who I won't name, who is simply a fundraising machine making a living off of $25 donations while sitting in an office in Colorado. NFAFA is a different kind of animal. Todd Go read the post 86 machine gun thread. Look at the level of support out there. Go look at Obamas 08 campaign funding. It is better to have 1000 people kicking in 100 (or monthly recurring) than 20 people kick in 5k each. |
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Posted: 10/8/2014 6:59:38 PM EDT
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I think it is a wonderful idea. However, many people who already own Class 3 weapons, know that the current limited supply makes the firearms they own more valuable. As a result, they don't want any new Class 3 weapons available to everyone else, because then the value of their investment will go down. Not all owners of Class 3 weapons feel that way, but there are quite a few with the "I have mine, screw everyone else" attitude.
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Posted: 10/8/2014 7:09:17 PM EDT
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1) I am a lobbyist, so legislation is my stock in trade. If, over time a litigation strategy becomes viable we could pursue that. I have relationships with the best 2A atty's in the US like David Kopel. But legislation will be my primary focus.
2) I can take a non-member donation over the phone or check by mail. contact info is available at: www.nfafa.org 3) I would make an exception on a patch if you join for a year at $50 if you email me. I don't want to make a blanket offer that gets spread all over the place. todd (at) nfafa (dot) org 4) As a 501(c) 4 organization we are required to provide our 990 to anyone who asks for it. You will also see me ricocheting from state to state if you follow me on FB. I will post alerts on every bill I am actively working on and you will know what is going on. |
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Posted: 10/8/2014 7:10:40 PM EDT
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I think it is a wonderful idea. However, many people who already own Class 3 weapons, know that the current limited supply makes the firearms they own more valuable. As a result, they don't want any new Class 3 weapons available to everyone else, because then the value of their investment will go down. Not all owners of Class 3 weapons feel that way, but there are quite a few with the "I have mine, screw everyone else" attitude. That is true. I am not one of them. I own a ton of suppressors but no MG's....yet |
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Posted: 10/8/2014 7:15:16 PM EDT
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Why not do this through the NRA? They're established, have a reputation, volunteers, etc. If you're already a board member, work through that avenue and bring the NRA into the fight against the NFA. Starting another organization up nearly from scratch is going to consume a lot of time and resources.
Also, how many NRA board members does this make on Arf? Tom King, DirectAction... who else? |
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Posted: 10/8/2014 7:15:51 PM EDT
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Go read the post 86 machine gun thread. Look at the level of support out there. Go look at Obamas 08 campaign funding. It is better to have 1000 people kicking in 100 (or monthly recurring) than 20 people kick in 5k each. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pricing a one year top tier membership at several times the cost of most other gun organizations lifetime membership cost seems foolish. Other than the NRA no other gun organization has full time lobbyists. For me to travel to lobby for you it costs roughly $3,000 per trip. You must realize that when a legislature holds a hearing I get about 2-3 days notice. That means I cannot get discounted air, car, or room rates. I have to go when called. With a $300 million a year budget that is peanuts for the NRA. So they can afford to have members at $25 a year. If I am going to actually accomplish the goals of the organization I need to be able to be in the capitols doing the job. I am not like other orgs who I won't name, who is simply a fundraising machine making a living off of $25 donations while sitting in an office in Colorado. NFAFA is a different kind of animal. Todd Go read the post 86 machine gun thread. Look at the level of support out there. Go look at Obamas 08 campaign funding. It is better to have 1000 people kicking in 100 (or monthly recurring) than 20 people kick in 5k each. Well you can join at the $50 level. I am not excluding anyone. A $50 member is just as much a member as any other level. With the $50 level available I'm not sure what the issue is. |
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Posted: 10/8/2014 7:19:03 PM EDT
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Why not do this through the NRA? They're established, have a reputation, volunteers, etc. If you're already a board member, work through that avenue and bring the NRA into the fight against the NFA. Starting another organization up nearly from scratch is going to consume a lot of time and resources. Also, how many NRA board members does this make on Arf? Tom King, DirectAction... who else? It is a matter of focus. By having an NFA dedicated org it helps to maintain focus on the issue. The NRA's plate is absolutely FULL with gun issues, this issue needs focus. |
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Posted: 10/8/2014 7:23:00 PM EDT
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I think I will be successful because I have BEEN successful already. I have a verifiable track record. I don't think any other organization has NFA issues like 41P as a focus, We need that focus.
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Posted: 10/8/2014 7:32:53 PM EDT
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Well you can join at the $50 level. I am not excluding anyone. A $50 member is just as much a member as any other level. With the $50 level available I'm not sure what the issue is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pricing a one year top tier membership at several times the cost of most other gun organizations lifetime membership cost seems foolish. Other than the NRA no other gun organization has full time lobbyists. For me to travel to lobby for you it costs roughly $3,000 per trip. You must realize that when a legislature holds a hearing I get about 2-3 days notice. That means I cannot get discounted air, car, or room rates. I have to go when called. With a $300 million a year budget that is peanuts for the NRA. So they can afford to have members at $25 a year. If I am going to actually accomplish the goals of the organization I need to be able to be in the capitols doing the job. I am not like other orgs who I won't name, who is simply a fundraising machine making a living off of $25 donations while sitting in an office in Colorado. NFAFA is a different kind of animal. Todd Go read the post 86 machine gun thread. Look at the level of support out there. Go look at Obamas 08 campaign funding. It is better to have 1000 people kicking in 100 (or monthly recurring) than 20 people kick in 5k each. Well you can join at the $50 level. I am not excluding anyone. A $50 member is just as much a member as any other level. With the $50 level available I'm not sure what the issue is.
If you had any idea how important this subject is to me, or how much I am willing to give in both time and money to see the NFA, and every law and legal decision based upon it, burned to the ground, you would realize that my advice was not a matter of trying to negotiate a lower price. I'm willing to dig deep to fight, but making an anti NFA organization priced such that it is as expensive as buying an overpriced FNC sear really defeats the purpose. The people that are willing to drop $3000 per year on lobbying are already flush with all of the NFA toys they want. Fighting the NFA is about bringing freedom back to every American, as that freedom was secured in blood by our forefathers and those that stole it from us did the entire nation an injustice. Perhaps we just have different objectives. I want to drive a stake through the heart of the NFA and shake the very foundation of modern gun control laws. I don't just want to lobby to remove Tennessee's affirmative defense laws or get another state legislature to allow their citizens to hunt with suppressors. I'm tired of compromise, and I'm tired of trying to beg for a little of what we once had. I want a full on direct assault on the NFA. If that means Tennesseans have to mobilize to fix our laws immediately thereafter, so be it - cut off the head of the beast and the body will die. |
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Posted: 10/8/2014 7:37:18 PM EDT
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I hope this works better than the NFATCA did
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