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Posted: 8/5/2013 9:23:54 AM EDT
I just called today to check on a Form 1. The woman on the phone said if I sent an application in today, it would take 12 months. She said they currently have 46,000 applications backlogged. She said applications received back in January 2013 will take 9 months.
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 9:24:35 AM EDT
I'm sure the e-forms will speed this up.
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 9:24:53 AM EDT
That is ridiculous.
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 9:25:14 AM EDT
Boy, it sure is a good thing they are making speeding up the process such a priority.  
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 9:25:53 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/5/2013 9:25:59 AM EDT
They should have some way to have it instantly approved............
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Link Posted: 8/5/2013 9:27:48 AM EDT
What is 46000 x $200?



That will pay for some Bonuses...
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 9:27:55 AM EDT
It is a joke. The paper work could all be handled at the LGS. My last can took from Jan 3/13 to July 1/13 and was in my hand on July 9th.
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As they have explained the process they don't really do anything more than the instant background check you get with any other firearm purchase that uses the instant check.  Yet somehow they are unable to efficiently process these even though there's a $200 check stapled to it.

If you paid a guy 5% of the fee to get it processed he'd get the backlog cleared in a month and be waiting for the new flood of near instant NFA applications.  The fact that this isn't done let's everyone know what the real goal is.
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A Right does not require a permission slip.

 
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There's that too.  And the fact that the tax is $3,500 inflation adjusted.  The design and the implementation make the goal clear.
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 9:33:52 AM EDT
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So happy I got my stamp when I did, keep in mind I sent it in November, pending in December. Received in June.
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 9:37:31 AM EDT
The whole process is a joke that needs to go away.
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 9:39:41 AM EDT
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I'm sure that the Obama administration will use that additional revenue to hire more NFA examiners.
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The stamp tax money goes into the general fund, not to the ATF and certainly not to NFA Branch.
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Pretty damn hard when there are only nine examiners for the entire nation.

 
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 9:41:08 AM EDT
Also, this is not surprising.

With the influx of recent applications, that's about where I'd expect to see it.
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 9:41:54 AM EDT
I sent in a Form 1 April 14, 2013 and delivered April 22, 2013.

It went pending JULY 5TH!!!! Almost 3 MONTHS FROM mailing...complete BS!
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I agree, but we know that is not going to happen.
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 9:43:02 AM EDT
My Oct and Nov Forms were reviewed in less than six months time. One was delayed though due to a mental fart of mine.
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Especially even when you have to pay a $200 tax. Having to pay $200 it should be instant.



 
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that is a big part of the problem..
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 9:44:55 AM EDT
If they're a year backlogged then that is the cue for everyone to backlog them some more.  Put them in the situation of being backlogged two years because it's the only way to get the public's attention.  The federal control system feeds off complacency, so they manage the complacency level of the public.  If 100,000 voting americans are told to wait two years for some measly form, that's something even mindless pro NFA congressidiots can't ignore.
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$9.2M in NFA taxes for what.....maybe 12 months worth of applications?
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 9:47:18 AM EDT
If there is no legal requirement (is there) for the ATF to process these in any particular timetable, what is to prevent them from slowing down even further? At what point is legal action due to the delay possible?
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 9:47:48 AM EDT
talk about an antiquated system. no reason this cannot be done in 24 hours or less.
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 9:48:06 AM EDT
Screw the Unconstitutional NFA and to hell with all the shits who support it.
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ATF has testified before Congress that it takes six months to process the forms and Congress was A-OK with that timeline.
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You think the current administration (and Senate for that matter) gives a shit about getting machineguns and suppressors to commoners more quickly?
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....And yet they hire 16,000 new IRS agents for OBAMACARE.  
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ATF has testified before Congress that it takes six months to process the forms and Congress was A-OK with that timeline.


So, if it is now a year, we assume Congress would be A-OK with that as well? What about two years...
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So, if it is now a year, we assume Congress would be A-OK with that as well? What about two years...
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ATF has testified before Congress that it takes six months to process the forms and Congress was A-OK with that timeline.


So, if it is now a year, we assume Congress would be A-OK with that as well? What about two years...


I'm sure they would be.

Look, I hate the NFA.  Hate it.  But it's doing exactly what it was setup to do: discourage people from buying/making NFA items.  Congress is not going to be up in arms because I can't get a suppressor in less than a year.  The courts aren't going to give a damn.  And no politician is going to go out and state in front of his constituents that he wants to make it easier and faster for people to get machineguns.  So we're pretty fucked.

I have quite a few NFA items and the wait times won't stop me, but they will definitely stop newcomers.
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 9:52:44 AM EDT
Newly made suppressors is whats probably slowing the system down.
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If they're a year backlogged then that is the cue for everyone to backlog them some more.  Put them in the situation of being backlogged two years because it's the only way to get the public's attention.  The federal control system feeds off complacency, so they manage the complacency level of the public.  If 100,000 voting americans are told to wait two years for some measly form, that's something even mindless pro NFA congressidiots can't ignore.


You think the current administration (and Senate for that matter) gives a shit about getting machineguns and suppressors to commoners more quickly?


Obviously most of the federal system doesn't want regular citizens owning "unapproved" property, but a two year wait time would get it on the nightly national news.  This is about publicly establishing the atf as what it is, a cabal designed to stop/prevent/reduce civilian gun ownership.  Most of the public still thinks the atf is "legitimate law enforcement."
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Obviously most of the federal system doesn't want regular citizens owning "unapproved" property, but a two year wait time would get it on the nightly national news.  This is about publicly establishing the atf as what it is, a cabal designed to stop/prevent/reduce civilian gun ownership.  Most of the public still thinks the atf is "legitimate law enforcement."
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Yeah, right. I'm sure a major network will do a segment on the horrible injustice of people having to wait longer to get their machineguns and suppressors, etc. The media always feels sorry for us about this kind of thing.

Get real, man. I agree with you and everyone else that the wait times are ridiculous, but nobody in the mainstream media will even give it a second look.
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Money goes into the general treasury. That is why they are so behind...nothing has been done to hasten the procedure.
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 10:03:15 AM EDT
I remember my first form 4 took 30days mail box to mail box.. damn times have changed
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 10:03:26 AM EDT
They should have a shorter process for those already in the system.
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 10:03:45 AM EDT
THEY don't care.  I suspect that someone on high is deliberately ignoring the increasing backlog.  These after all are deadly machine guns, silencers, and short-barreled rifles.  You think this administration wants people to have this stuff?  
Link Posted: 8/5/2013 10:05:24 AM EDT
Well, then some of you that have paperwork pending start filing lawsuits!
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If they're a year backlogged then that is the cue for everyone to backlog them some more.  Put them in the situation of being backlogged two years because it's the only way to get the public's attention.  The federal control system feeds off complacency, so they manage the complacency level of the public.  If 100,000 voting americans are told to wait two years for some measly form, that's something even mindless pro NFA congressidiots can't ignore.
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With CNN/MSNBC catering to soccer moms, any pro-NFA legislation is toxic.

"Oh the huge manatee, some extremist legislators want to legalize the fast PURCHASE OF A SILENCER."
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Obviously most of the federal system doesn't want regular citizens owning "unapproved" property, but a two year wait time would get it on the nightly national news.  This is about publicly establishing the atf as what it is, a cabal designed to stop/prevent/reduce civilian gun ownership.  Most of the public still thinks the atf is "legitimate law enforcement."
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Go home, Pat - you're drunk.



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Yeah, right. I'm sure a major network will do a segment on the horrible injustice of people having to wait longer to get their machineguns and suppressors, etc. The media always feels sorry for us about this kind of thing.

Get real, man. I agree with you and everyone else that the wait times are ridiculous, but nobody in the mainstream media will even give it a second look.
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Obviously most of the federal system doesn't want regular citizens owning "unapproved" property, but a two year wait time would get it on the nightly national news.  This is about publicly establishing the atf as what it is, a cabal designed to stop/prevent/reduce civilian gun ownership.  Most of the public still thinks the atf is "legitimate law enforcement."




Yeah, right. I'm sure a major network will do a segment on the horrible injustice of people having to wait longer to get their machineguns and suppressors, etc. The media always feels sorry for us about this kind of thing.

Get real, man. I agree with you and everyone else that the wait times are ridiculous, but nobody in the mainstream media will even give it a second look.


I didn't say the media would feel sorry for us, only that it would get on the nightly news.  It would start with some smaller network, maybe get picked up by fox news, then at some point one of our half dozen decent congressmen introduces legislation or an amendment to must pass legislation that DOES get it on the national news.
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