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Posted: 8/18/2017 3:47:47 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/18/2017 3:52:47 PM EST by goloud]
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/08/18/nfa-process-modernized/



Without rule changes, regulation amendments, politicians or legislation, a partnership between the U.S. government and a small private industry group has dramatically changed the process in which National Firearms Act (NFA) controlled items are transferred between individuals and entities. There is now a system in place within the BATFE’s NFA DIvision, that will allow nearly everyone who files a Form 4 to transfer controlled items, such as silencers, a genuine chance at receiving approved forms in a few short months. Alongside the ATF, three silencer industry stalwarts spearheaded the best modernization of the registry in 83 years: Dead Air Armament, GEMTECH and Silencer Shop.
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Link Posted: 8/18/2017 3:48:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/18/2017 5:48:27 PM EST by Ventilator]
Wake me when the wait times are less than a month.

ETA: Not trying to be an ungrateful asshole, but it fucking flies in the face of common sense that a NCIC instant background check can be done right at the gun counter and we have to wait months to a year to get checked for a fucking suppresor.  I'm glad somebody is leaning forward and trying to do something positive with a fucking shitty system and it sounds as though this might drop wait times to less than two months if I'm doing my math correctly.
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 4:14:20 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Ventilator:
Wake me when the wait times are less than a month.
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Ungrateful.

That's bad ass of the three companies. Get shit done!
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 4:14:31 PM EST
I support this sentiment, and wake me when the wait time is 30 days or less.
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 4:16:22 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 4:16:51 PM EST
LMFAO.

I guess those of us that have submitted Form4s and are just 5 months in out of a 12+ month wait... are going to get beat by people ordering new suppressors later this month.
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 4:17:13 PM EST
They should have a system were you can upload your photograph and it prints off on the form. This saves me no time.
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Link Posted: 8/18/2017 4:19:01 PM EST
So how long until the backlog is cleaned out and we actually have a 3-4 month wait?
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 4:19:16 PM EST
A small step in the right direction. Repeal the NFA and Hughes.
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 4:20:53 PM EST
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Link Posted: 8/18/2017 4:21:39 PM EST
Originally Posted By goloud:
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/08/18/nfa-process-modernized/

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/83570/IMG_1654_JPG-283769.jpg

Without rule changes, regulation amendments, politicians or legislation, a partnership between the U.S. government and a small private industry group has dramatically changed the process in which National Firearms Act (NFA) controlled items are transferred between individuals and entities. There is now a system in place within the BATFE’s NFA DIvision, that will allow nearly everyone who files a Form 4 to transfer controlled items, such as silencers, a genuine chance at receiving approved forms in a few short months. Alongside the ATF, three silencer industry stalwarts spearheaded the best modernization of the registry in 83 years: Dead Air Armament, GEMTECH and Silencer Shop.
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There's a reason I got in on the Maxim 9 when I did.

I used Silencer Shop's kiosk to buy a SilencerCo product and it was seriously the most streamlined NFA purchase I've ever made.
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 4:21:56 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Kevv:
So how long until the backlog is cleaned out and we actually have a 3-4 month wait?
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The backlog is expected to clear within the next 2 to 3 months at the current approval rate.
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 4:23:36 PM EST
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Originally Posted By jnk556:


My form 4 came back today on a oct 21 pending. 293 days. It has dropped big in the past few weeks, and is going downhill big time.
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This.

My Hybrid purchase was right at a year.

My GM45 was well under a year.

My Maxim9 seems to be going really fast.
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 4:24:28 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Johnson184:
LMFAO.

I guess those of us that have submitted Form4s and are just 5 months in out of a 12+ month wait... are going to get beat by people ordering new suppressors later this month.
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That's now this works. Their form will process faster, but only after yours is processed.
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 4:24:33 PM EST
Some of you dudes would be pissed if you got a blowjob because you'd rather get pussy.

Jesus Christ, be fucking happy about something for once in your miserable lives. This is a good thing, regardless of the fact that it's not going to magically process a giant stack of paperwork, in the future you'll have a more convenient experience.
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 4:24:41 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ncthorn1623:
The backlog is expected to clear within the next 2 to 3 months at the current approval rate.
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Originally Posted By Kevv:
So how long until the backlog is cleaned out and we actually have a 3-4 month wait?
The backlog is expected to clear within the next 2 to 3 months at the current approval rate.
That's awesome!

Perhaps its time I start the NFA game. What about SBR wait times, are those coming down as well?
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 4:25:56 PM EST
do they offer a form 1 generator?

it seems like a simple enough modification....I suppose they dont want to encourage anyone to build their own silencer, and lose sales, but paperwork isn't people's barrier to doing that.
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 4:27:13 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Kevv:
That's awesome!

Perhaps its time I start the NFA game. What about SBR wait times, are those coming down as well?
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Originally Posted By Kevv:
Originally Posted By ncthorn1623:
Originally Posted By Kevv:
So how long until the backlog is cleaned out and we actually have a 3-4 month wait?
The backlog is expected to clear within the next 2 to 3 months at the current approval rate.
That's awesome!

Perhaps its time I start the NFA game. What about SBR wait times, are those coming down as well?
Wait times across the board are coming down and drastically. Also, the ATF receives around 1/4th as many Forms 1 as they do Forms 4.
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 4:28:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ncthorn1623:
Wait times across the board are coming down and drastically. Also, the ATF receives around 1/4th as many Forms 1 as they do Forms 4.
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Originally Posted By ncthorn1623:
Originally Posted By Kevv:
Originally Posted By ncthorn1623:
Originally Posted By Kevv:
So how long until the backlog is cleaned out and we actually have a 3-4 month wait?
The backlog is expected to clear within the next 2 to 3 months at the current approval rate.
That's awesome!

Perhaps its time I start the NFA game. What about SBR wait times, are those coming down as well?
Wait times across the board are coming down and drastically. Also, the ATF receives around 1/4th as many Forms 1 as they do Forms 4.
Thx for the info! Time to start a stamp collection
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 4:34:21 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ncthorn1623:
Wait times across the board are coming down and drastically. Also, the ATF receives around 1/4th as many Forms 1 as they do Forms 4.
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Originally Posted By ncthorn1623:
Originally Posted By Kevv:
Originally Posted By ncthorn1623:
Originally Posted By Kevv:
So how long until the backlog is cleaned out and we actually have a 3-4 month wait?
The backlog is expected to clear within the next 2 to 3 months at the current approval rate.
That's awesome!

Perhaps its time I start the NFA game. What about SBR wait times, are those coming down as well?
Wait times across the board are coming down and drastically. Also, the ATF receives around 1/4th as many Forms 1 as they do Forms 4.
Moar This.

Look at NFATracker.com and follow the trend line. It seems to be dropping precipitously.

Currently people are getting F4 to Individual from November and the trend line is down.

If you submitted a F4 to Individual in May, my estimate is you'll have it within ~150 days.

After that things might stabilize, might go down, might go up, might go away. (Fuck I hope) Submissions are *WAY* down now after the rule change screwing trusts.
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 4:34:49 PM EST
Is this those kiosk things, or something different? 
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 4:34:53 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Ventilator:
Wake me when the wait times are less than a month.
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In 2006 I got two cans and a SBS back in around three weeks. Too back its 2017, but good on them for getting things started in the right direction.
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 4:38:37 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Wolverine1776:
Is this those kiosk things, or something different? 
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The kiosks help facilitate this in terms of getting your prints and such, but this announcement applies to the barcode system developed by Silencer Shop and adopted by the ATF that allows any dealer to fill out Forms 4 on Silencer Shop's site and print them. The printed version has a barcode that the ATF can simply scan to auto-fill your information in their system.
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 4:40:35 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ncthorn1623:


Wait times across the board are coming down and drastically. Also, the ATF receives around 1/4th as many Forms 1 as they do Forms 4.
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Why do you say these things?

Why do you hate my wallet?
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 4:41:01 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Ventilator:
Wake me when the wait times are less than a month walking out the door.
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Link Posted: 8/18/2017 4:43:26 PM EST
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The first can I bought about 15 years ago before the big demand took 91 days
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 4:44:19 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Ventilator:
Wake me when the wait times are less than a monththey are cash and carry.
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Link Posted: 8/18/2017 4:45:34 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ncthorn1623:
The kiosks help facilitate this in terms of getting your prints and such, but this announcement applies to the barcode system developed by Silencer Shop and adopted by the ATF that allows any dealer to fill out Forms 4 on Silencer Shop's site and print them. The printed version has a barcode that the ATF can simply scan to auto-fill your information in their system.
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Originally Posted By ncthorn1623:
Originally Posted By Wolverine1776:
Is this those kiosk things, or something different? 
The kiosks help facilitate this in terms of getting your prints and such, but this announcement applies to the barcode system developed by Silencer Shop and adopted by the ATF that allows any dealer to fill out Forms 4 on Silencer Shop's site and print them. The printed version has a barcode that the ATF can simply scan to auto-fill your information in their system.
Interesting. I need to start buying some. 
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 4:46:05 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/18/2017 4:46:45 PM EST by David4327]
Good, I picked up two suppressor this week that were purchased from SS. It took 18 months for me receive my stamps. I made 3 calls to the ATF and sent an email two weeks ago. My stamps mailed directly to me, so suspect my original stamps were lost in the mail.
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 4:46:22 PM EST
Quote from the article.
"Want some more good news? Starting on July 11, 2017, all Form 4s from Silencer Shop were imprinted with the new barcode, meaning if you purchased a silencer in the last 30 days, chances are your forms have been “upgraded” and are in line for expedited processing as we speak."

I purchased from SS at the end of June and end of July. Both were submitted in August. My applications have the barcode and I was wondering why it was there. I hope this works as well as they planned. It will drastically cut down on our wait time.
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 4:46:35 PM EST
I wonder what the number of months will truly be.
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 4:47:08 PM EST
I hope there is a stream line for form1s' also. I want to do another SBR.
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 4:47:51 PM EST
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Originally Posted By superdav:
The first can I bought about 15 years ago before the big demand took 91 days
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Originally Posted By Ventilator:
Wake me when the wait times are less than a month.
The first can I bought about 15 years ago before the big demand took 91 days
I think my first can took 41 days.
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 4:50:13 PM EST
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The first can I bought about 15 years ago before the big demand took 91 days
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Originally Posted By Ventilator:
Wake me when the wait times are less than a month.
The first can I bought about 15 years ago before the big demand took 91 days
My form 1 suppressor and sbr in '07 took 59 and 61 days mail box to mail box and the 59 days included a round trip mailing of the application from WV to TX to make a correction.
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Pretty cool, why the fuck can't the gov't have gotten this done on their own? Are they that inept and blind to the inefficiencies in their process? Typical gov't, just imagine the waste in all other areas of the .gov, wasting our goddamn tax dollars....
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 4:57:21 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 44-40pro:
I support this sentiment, and wake me when the wait time is 30 days or less.
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I got my one and only can in about 4 weeks and the was over the Christmas and New Years holiday. That was back on '06...
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 5:02:37 PM EST
I waiting with baited breath for the HPA to pass.
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 5:03:05 PM EST
I remember hearing a lot of crap in the industry against silencer shop.  Seems their process was being accused of causing the efile system to go down due to excessive volume.  That said, got all but 2 of mine from them.
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 5:03:25 PM EST
Does anyone know if this applies to form 1's? I heard that you can now do form 1's on the kiosk, but is it the same system?
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 5:04:42 PM EST
I applaud these companies for coming up with solutions to problem created by the .gov.

I also look forward to the day when these solutions are unnecessary.
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 5:06:12 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Ventilator:
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It was less than a month in the 70's I saw a 70's dated form 4 recently and it was under 3 weeks. No computers and all.
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 5:25:26 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Johnson184:
LMFAO.

I guess those of us that have submitted Form4s and are just 5 months in out of a 12+ month wait... are going to get beat by people ordering new suppressors later this month.
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That sucks for us, I have 3 in NFA jail and going on month 4-5
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 5:33:47 PM EST
Just purchased a Dead Air Mask, Wolf 9SD, and Sandman-K this week. Also filed a form 1. They all had QR Code boxy thing.

Would be great if I can pick them all up on the same trip.
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 5:37:15 PM EST
Thats pretty cool. Probably not that exciting to people like me with apps already in the stack but going forward it should cut time at least a little bit.
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 5:41:44 PM EST
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Originally Posted By jnk556:
My form 4 came back today on a oct 21 pending. 293 days. It has dropped big in the past few weeks, and is going downhill big time.
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You have to consider the fact that there was a huge 'bump in the road' last June/July when the rule change took effect. They probably got more filings in a month than they'd received in the previous two years combined. 

Silencer Shop's website figures this bar code thing will reduce approval time by 30 to 50%. That's a good thing, but I'd rather see the HPA passed and ratified...or the entire NFA scrapped. 
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 5:42:45 PM EST
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Originally Posted By whiskerz:
It was less than a month in the 70's I saw a 70's dated form 4 recently and it was under 3 weeks. No computers and all.
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Originally Posted By whiskerz:
Originally Posted By Ventilator:
Wake me when the wait times are less than a month.
It was less than a month in the 70's I saw a 70's dated form 4 recently and it was under 3 weeks. No computers and all.
Yeah but how many people in the 70's knew silencers were legal, much less knew the process of actually getting one? 
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 5:44:36 PM EST
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