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Posted: 11/18/2008 8:52:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/18/2008 9:03:33 PM EDT by FACTS]
How fucked up is this. Every 12 days, my perscription cost 2.75 times the cost of gold.

3 grams of the medication is over $350. I go thru it about every 2 weeks. It is perscribed to over 30% of the population in the united states at one time or another.

With insurance of a regular office job I pay $35 about every 2 weeks.

How in the hell does this seem logical?

(for reference, gold is about $44.99 per gram as of last saturday.)
http://www.apmex.com/Product/46774/1_gram_9999_Fine_Gold_Bar___Credit_Suisse_Statue_of_Liberty.aspx




Link Posted: 11/18/2008 8:54:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/18/2008 8:54:37 PM EDT by GUNSFORHIRE]
Damn Cocaine has went through the roof!...

I didnt think that Obama has anything against a little snort here and there?

Panic Coke!
Link Posted: 11/18/2008 8:56:17 PM EDT
Originally Posted By GUNSFORHIRE:
Damn Cocaine has went through the roof!...

I didnt think that Obama has anything against a little snort here and there?

Panic Coke!


Last time I checked coke was $50 per gram.

Link Posted: 11/18/2008 8:56:40 PM EDT
wtf is it?
Link Posted: 11/18/2008 9:05:18 PM EDT
Originally Posted By kevinb120:
wtf is it?


It's 2.75 times the price of gold is what it is.
Link Posted: 11/18/2008 9:07:15 PM EDT
Viagra?
Link Posted: 11/18/2008 9:09:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By kevinb120:
wtf is it?


+1

Eric  
Link Posted: 11/18/2008 9:09:05 PM EDT
well...gold wont cure your illness...
Link Posted: 11/18/2008 9:10:41 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/18/2008 9:11:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/18/2008 9:26:15 PM EDT by MMcCall]
Originally Posted By ALPHAGHOST:
well...gold wont cure your illness...


Lead would.

ETA: SNARKY SMILEY IMPLIED. I HAVE EXPENSIVE PRESCRIPTIONS TOO.
Link Posted: 11/18/2008 9:11:44 PM EDT
There was a time when black pepper cost more than gold, supply/demand.

I am curious what drug 30% of the country is on that costs that much that you're taking 200mg a day of... nothing comes to mind.
Link Posted: 11/18/2008 9:11:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/18/2008 9:12:07 PM EDT by Primos]
You? On prescription meds?  No.
Link Posted: 11/18/2008 9:12:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By FACTS:
Originally Posted By kevinb120:
wtf is it?


It's 2.75 times the price of gold is what it is.


Viagra isn't that expensive, man...
Link Posted: 11/18/2008 9:12:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By FACTS:
3 grams of the medication is over $350.

I was temporarily on a med that was twice that price about a year and a half ago  Each daily injection was about half the cost of a nice AR

Link Posted: 11/18/2008 9:14:54 PM EDT
Originally Posted By MMcCall:
Originally Posted By ALPHAGHOST:
well...gold wont cure your illness...


Lead would.


Link Posted: 11/18/2008 9:17:24 PM EDT
one med I have a scrip for (Enbrel, 2x a week) is $3000 a month. It's 0.97 mL per dose, You do the math.
Link Posted: 11/18/2008 11:41:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ALPHAGHOST:
well...gold wont cure your illness...



Neither will the medicine. Do your homework.

It may make him feel better and or live longer though. Cure....doubtful.

The old saying of "medicine is the only profession that works to destroy it's own existence" is just that....old.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 12:50:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/19/2008 1:05:22 AM EDT by Jack_Of_Some_Trades]
My father's in-home hemodialysis that I run for him usually runs $35-50,000 per month billed to Kaiser.  They send him a courtesy notice showing that that is what they paid.  I assume it includes all of the supplies, Epogen and monthly visit to the kidney doctor.

edit:  The Epogen looks like it runs about $160/10,000units retail per online pricing..  Thats 1ml and he uses 2 ml per week.  So he's at about $300 per week, $1200 a month in just EPO.  I have no clue where the rest of that $35,000 is going.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 1:20:46 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Jack_Of_Some_Trades:
My father's in-home hemodialysis that I run for him usually runs $35-50,000 per month billed to Kaiser.  They send him a courtesy notice showing that that is what they paid.  I assume it includes all of the supplies, Epogen and monthly visit to the kidney doctor.

edit:  The Epogen looks like it runs about $160/10,000units retail per online pricing..  Thats 1ml and he uses 2 ml per week.  So he's at about $300 per week, $1200 a month in just EPO.  I have no clue where the rest of that $35,000 is going.



Follow the $ trail - or don't, it'll probably make you sick.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 1:25:18 AM EDT
Speaking of expensive meds, I just found out through a friend how much valtrex costs! Guess herpes isn't only permanant, but expensive as hell to boot!

IT'S NOT ME lol.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 1:28:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/19/2008 1:46:00 AM EDT by Jack_Of_Some_Trades]
Originally Posted By shrikefan:
Originally Posted By Jack_Of_Some_Trades:
My father's in-home hemodialysis that I run for him usually runs $35-50,000 per month billed to Kaiser.  They send him a courtesy notice showing that that is what they paid.  I assume it includes all of the supplies, Epogen and monthly visit to the kidney doctor.

edit:  The Epogen looks like it runs about $160/10,000units retail per online pricing..  Thats 1ml and he uses 2 ml per week.  So he's at about $300 per week, $1200 a month in just EPO.  I have no clue where the rest of that $35,000 is going.



Follow the $ trail - or don't, it'll probably make you sick.

exactly.  I've heard that the medi-care reimbursement for dialysis treatment is like $150-175 per treatment, which the the price that the clinics try to get their costs below, and at 20 treatments a month, thats only another $3000 or so.

I've heard that the kidney doctors are making money by the bushell running the local clinic.  It changes names every couple years as one doctor sells it or leases to another.  Then, a couple years later, the new owner has made his money, and sells/leases it off to the next doctor.

edit:  And its not even like they are paying a tech to run the treatment, I'm doing it all at home.  All they do is supply the supplies, medicines, do monthly lab tests on blood I draw, and then he meets with the doc to go over the results.
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 2:54:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/20/2008 2:55:38 PM EDT by FACTS]
well


Link Posted: 11/20/2008 2:57:50 PM EDT
Originally Posted By FACTS:
well




saw that before you edited, was a good idea to delete it

Link Posted: 11/20/2008 2:59:42 PM EDT
Living with serious medical conditions is expensive.
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 3:00:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By fossil_fuel:
Originally Posted By FACTS:
well




saw that before you edited, was a good idea to delete it



It's about suppression?
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 3:11:30 PM EDT
Gold doesn't need R&D for development.
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 4:14:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DragoMuseveni:
Living with serious medical conditions is expensive.

If you don't have insurance, you won't have to worry very long.

Link Posted: 11/20/2008 4:26:10 PM EDT
im in pharmacy school right now and the reason certain meds are expensive is due to the amount of money it costs to develop it and generally if it is nearly the only drug that would do (example, amoxicillin is cheap as dirt but is a weak antibiotic, levaquin is expensive as heck, but extremely potent). if you saw the numbers on developing a drug and getting it approved by the fda youd understand. it takes a good ten years usually, and only 1% of all drugs researched ever makes it to market. usually it costs around a billion dollars to produce a new drug, obviously depending on the type and dangers associated. companies that make the drug have around 7 years before someone else can make it, so they charge your left arm for it until that time.
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 4:52:10 PM EDT
Originally Posted By tmckay2:
im in pharmacy school right now and the reason certain meds are expensive is due to the amount of money it costs to develop it and generally if it is nearly the only drug that would do (example, amoxicillin is cheap as dirt but is a weak antibiotic, levaquin is expensive as heck, but extremely potent). if you saw the numbers on developing a drug and getting it approved by the fda youd understand. it takes a good ten years usually, and only 1% of all drugs researched ever makes it to market. usually it costs around a billion dollars to produce a new drug, obviously depending on the type and dangers associated. companies that make the drug have around 7 years before someone else can make it, so they charge your left arm for it until that time.



Me to on the pharmacy school thing.  And you're right for the most part.  I wouldn't be saying amoxicillin is weak vs Levaquin persay, they just have a different spectrum of action and and different MIC's etc.  I guess it all depends on your frame of reference.  Ha, here I am talking like I know something...I'm just average, and they say you only learn like 30% of what you will know from school...   Thank God we exist to counteract the drug reps though.  So, if you're paying attention to this thread, when do you graduate?


Mainly, the question to the OP is, how much is a few more years of life worth?  Gold will not extend your life, the medicine, statistically, will, or at least improve the quality of life.  There's always exceptions though, like you get an allergic reaction and you die.
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 6:08:06 PM EDT
Originally Posted By scrum:
Gold doesn't need R&D for development.


+1

It takes a lot of smart, highly educated people, who have gone to school for decades and amassed ridiculous debt, and a lot of expensive medical equipment to figure out how to make those drugs.

Just wait until Obama socializes medicine and there is no incentive for someone to spend 15 years in college/med school. Medical technology will stop.
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 6:11:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Rabon:
Originally Posted By DragoMuseveni:
Living with serious medical conditions is expensive.

If you don't have insurance, you won't have to worry very long.





How the fuck can you even post a smiley after saying that?

That's just weird dood.
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 6:13:00 PM EDT
During a work-related trip I was visiting a pharmacy where I was informed (casual conversation) that a single tube of a certain drug (nothing specific, but I recall it being used for pediatric cardiac care) cost approximately $17,000 to produce. It had to be perhaps, 30 mg.
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 6:16:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/20/2008 6:18:12 PM EDT by Curare]
Hopefully you won't be on the med for too long.

My guesses, without violating your OPSEC:

P-––––––e
C-––––-a

Am I close?
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 6:17:15 PM EDT
Are you ever going to name the drug? Saying "it costs more than gold" is pretty meaningless.

Originally Posted By Fletchette:

Just wait until Obama socializes medicine and there is no incentive for someone to spend 15 years in college/med school. Medical technology will stop.


I'm in medical school right now...if the medical field here goes (even further) socialist by the time I'm a practicing physician, I'm thinking about going to Mexico to cater to medical tourists. Because there sure will be a lot of those, if the situation here comes to that

I'm aiming for anesthesiology. I'm only a second-year student right now so I still have a long ways to go, but I want a specialty that I can use anywhere, and I think that one fits the bill.
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 6:18:21 PM EDT
i get enbrel from the .gov.


mmm the tit tastes delicious.
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 6:20:23 PM EDT
Frozen snake venom from the Echis Coloratus (carpet viper) is $3400 a gram.

Supply and demand at the finest.

Yes I had to google it.  

Joe
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 6:23:40 PM EDT
I can't think of any off the top of my head, but a while back I did some looking for some really expensive meds.

Looks like Cystic Fibrosis is about the worst thing you can have. Not only do you not live past 35, it's the most expensive stuff on the planet it seems.  
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 6:40:42 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TurdyDingo:
I can't think of any off the top of my head, but a while back I did some looking for some really expensive meds.

Looks like Cystic Fibrosis is about the worst thing you can have. Not only do you not live past 35, it's the most expensive stuff on the planet it seems.  


Having a rare enzymatic disorder like MPS, just one medication, will run (off the top of my head) over $250,000/year.

Hemophilia is not cheap either.

Depending on the cancer with supportive therapy (just the meds) can easily run > $100k/year.

Medication is expensive and (hate to sound harsh) but that's capitalism. Did you expect them to give it away? (scratch that-many companies do have some sort of patient assistance programs)

Link Posted: 11/20/2008 6:55:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/20/2008 6:56:13 PM EDT by TurdyDingo]
Originally Posted By Hamel:
Originally Posted By TurdyDingo:
I can't think of any off the top of my head, but a while back I did some looking for some really expensive meds.

Looks like Cystic Fibrosis is about the worst thing you can have. Not only do you not live past 35, it's the most expensive stuff on the planet it seems.  


Having a rare enzymatic disorder like MPS, just one medication, will run (off the top of my head) over $250,000/year.

Hemophilia is not cheap either.

Depending on the cancer with supportive therapy (just the meds) can easily run > $100k/year.

Medication is expensive and (hate to sound harsh) but that's capitalism. Did you expect them to give it away? (scratch that-many companies do have some sort of patient assistance programs)



Yeah, when you're talking drugs that only a few hundred people in the world need, gets expensive. I certainly understand the capitalism, and is the reason there is insurance or social programs by the makers like you mentioned.

Holy monkey fucking a football. In regards to the MPS med

ELAPRASE therapy will cost approximately $300,000 - $500,000 per plan participant
per year depending upon the plan participant’s weight. The average wholesale price
(AWP) of a single use vial of ELAPRASE is $3,285. For a plan participant weighing
20 kg, this results in a projected cost of approximately $6,570 per week
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 7:06:02 PM EDT
FACTS you should run a phone sex line in your spare time.  Iirc you have a sultry voice.
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 7:07:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/20/2008 7:17:59 PM EDT by GarandM1]
Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
Viagra?


No, that's only about $13 per 50 mg pill.

And worth every penny, BTW.  

ETA:  Come to think of it, on a per ounce basis Viagra is even more expensive than gold.

There's about 600 50 mg Viagra pills in an ounce, so at $13.00 a pop that comes out to an astounding $7,800 per ounce.  

As I said earlier, worth every penny.  
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 7:08:38 PM EDT
FWIW gold has been used as a treatment for rheumatoid arthritis for quite some time.
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 9:28:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Masha:
FACTS you should run a phone sex line in your spare time.  Iirc you have a sultry voice.



Don't get me started.

Maybe I'LL start some sort of "guess the medical problem"

I am still appreciate the folks that havent exactly given up the real ends.
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 9:42:59 PM EDT
Originally Posted By FACTS:
Originally Posted By Masha:
FACTS you should run a phone sex line in your spare time.  Iirc you have a sultry voice.



Don't get me started.

Maybe I'LL start some sort of "guess the medical problem"

I am still appreciate the folks that havent exactly given up the real ends.


Hey FACTS,
There are all sorts of programs to help people pay for meds w/o insurance.
Call the Patient assistance line for the drug manufacturer and tell them you can't afford it w/o insurance.  They make you jump through hoops, but just download some tax forms and write less than $11,000 per year and you can get your meds...
Don't be afraid!

Link Posted: 11/20/2008 10:01:57 PM EDT
Yea, Viagra is pretty expensive.

Seriously, my mom had one that was $6300 for a month.  Can you top that?
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 10:05:56 PM EDT
Originally Posted By FACTS:
Originally Posted By GUNSFORHIRE:
Damn Cocaine has went through the roof!...

I didnt think that Obama has anything against a little snort here and there?

Panic Coke!


Last time I checked coke was $50 per gram.




you've been getting had

But on topic , there ain't no money in cures . Cures only get used once , the real money is in treatment.
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 10:34:36 PM EDT
My mother had a blood thinner that was $1600/month.  My dad's union only had a $1000/yr max Rx benefit (FU Roofers' Union).   Anyhow, she did a bunch of research online, applied for a program by the mfg, and got it for free the last few months of her life.   Now that program was quite the blessing.  Can't remember which Rx Mfg it was.
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 10:45:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By scrum:
Gold doesn't need R&D for development.




^^

Link Posted: 11/20/2008 10:45:29 PM EDT
I have given a drug that cost $1 / microgram for a total cost of about a $100,000 infusion.

First one to guess wins ten internets!
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 10:49:42 PM EDT
Good thing the US spends more per capita on health care per capita than most other countries, including those with socialized medicine yet things are still retarded.
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 10:50:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/20/2008 10:50:11 PM EDT by DLoken]
Originally Posted By Mr_Psmith:
I have given a drug that cost $1 / microgram for a total cost of about a $100,000 infusion.

First one to guess wins ten internets!


Some sort of radioactive medicine with a really short half life?
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