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Posted: 3/24/2006 2:07:26 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 2:09:41 PM EDT
lies.

the BATFE are nothing but JBT. your story is rejected
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 2:10:09 PM EDT
So some times they are nice and some times they kill women and children....

hmmm...I don't like those odds.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 2:11:24 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 2:11:43 PM EDT
Just because something happens once, doesn't mean it is the norm.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 2:15:43 PM EDT
So entertaining.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 2:16:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/24/2006 2:24:45 PM EDT by blacklisted]
So I guess I'm supposed to magically start liking the ATF. I'm sure many of them were nice guys. By some accounts, the nazis were nice guys too, at least when they weren't commiting genocide.

I don't buy the whole "they were just doing their jobs" argument.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 2:18:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Napoleon_Tanerite:
lies.

the BATFE are nothing but JBT. your story is rejected



+1 IMHO
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 2:18:50 PM EDT
People shooting!!!

[ATFE]Lets hope someone didn't dot an i or cross a t.[/ATFE]



Link Posted: 3/24/2006 2:24:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By shotar:

No dogs were killed, buildings burned, or charges trumped up. They were nothing but professional and courteous to everyone. That is all.



That's probably because you didn't bring that vicious dog of yours...
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 2:25:23 PM EDT
I doubt Shoot-n-Scoot will ever be able to post a thread with that title.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 2:27:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Carhlr:

Originally Posted By Napoleon_Tanerite:
lies.

the BATFE are nothing but JBT. your story is rejected



+1 IMHO



i was just being sarcastic. i'm willing to bet the majority of ATF encounters are like shotar's. unfortunately, there are ones like Shoot-N-Scoot's also
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 2:27:10 PM EDT

When ATFE showed up, they were armed with M16s, full body armor


Sounds like a pleasant experience.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 2:28:24 PM EDT
Maybe the fact that it was 30 to 3 and everyone had machineguns had something to do with them being nice.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 2:28:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By shotar:
It was a couple years ago at a local full / semi auto shoot. Someone called ATF because of the hours of full auto fire that sounded like thunder. Many arfcommers including me were there. When ATFE showed up, they were armed with M16s, full body armor and I think there were 3 of them plus a uniformed deputy. There were about 30 or so shooters present. The ATFE guys asked everyone to step back from the weapons but did not ask anyone to remove their sidearms. They checked a few guys paperwork and found everything in order. They said, " Cool Toys ", thanked us for our cooperation and were asked if they would like to stay and shoot with us. They declined siting being on duty and not being allowed to have fun on the taxpayer's time. We resumed shooting and they left.

No dogs were killed, buildings burned, or charges trumped up. They were nothing but professional and courteous to everyone. That is all.



when its 4 against 30, i would be nice too!
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 2:31:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/24/2006 2:31:38 PM EDT by muddydog]

why did ATF respond at all to a county issue...
did your deputy call for ATF backup???
or did the bat phone ring...automatically at the report of full auto gunfire.

being checked for legal activities...is bunk.

i would gather this was out of the ordinary for their response..
when i have seen any LEO in action involving a "gun"..its usually kind of comical..
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 2:31:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheFreepster:
Maybe the fact that it was 30 to 3 and everyone had machineguns had something to do with them being nice.



Link Posted: 3/24/2006 2:33:31 PM EDT

I don't buy the whole "they were just doing their jobs" argument.


I do! Their job is to remove the rights of Americans and kill them if they make any noise about it.

Link Posted: 3/24/2006 2:34:48 PM EDT
I'll never understand what "probable cause" they have to investigate "Fully automatic" fire when someone calls it in.

There are tens of THOUSANDS of LEGALLY registered machineguns in CIVILIAN hands. Investigating the report of "automatic gunfire" is akin to someone calling the ATFE and saying, "Yeah I just bought some smokes and booze from the 7-Eleven, they should be checked out cause they might not have their license/taxes in order". Where's the body armor and boots then?

It's shit. Plain and simple. Just cause it isn't moist and smelly to you, doesn't change the fact that it's shit to me.

Sly
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 2:38:31 PM EDT
WOW great experience, where do I send them the fruit basket?
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 2:44:53 PM EDT
I think, like Chef, he's gone over to



The Dark Side
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 2:56:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Napoleon_Tanerite:

Originally Posted By Carhlr:

Originally Posted By Napoleon_Tanerite:
lies.

the BATFE are nothing but JBT. your story is rejected



+1 IMHO



i was just being sarcastic. i'm willing to bet the majority of ATF encounters are like shotar's. unfortunately, there are ones like Shoot-N-Scoot's also




I had the same thing happen to me except there were say 10 or so Sheriff deuptys with them. they never asked us to put our weapons down. we were bump firing and that was the reason for the call. they called out an Armour(spell check) and tore all of our ar's down and found m-16 carriers and m16 hammers. Kinda made a big deal out-a that took names and said they would be in contact, it's been 2 years and still waiting. They all left except for the Armour(spell check) turned out to be pretty cool guy he couldn't believe the rate of fire when we were bumping. They made us shoot every ar 1 trigger pull and he had on hearing protection kneeling right there making sure it wasn't full auto. By the time he left he was showing us his bauckup rig on his ankle a samll glock. I told him if he wanted to learn how to shoot he could come back anytime.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 3:00:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tactical_Jew:

When ATFE showed up, they were armed with M16s, full body armor


Sounds like a pleasant experience.



And why in a state that its legal to own machine guns would they show up armed to the teeth, asuuming that sombody is not legit?

Do they show up at liquer store if they hear a minor was sold a bottle, armed like this?


Link Posted: 3/24/2006 3:02:26 PM EDT
So someone calls hearing hours of full-auto fire and they send 4 LEO's?
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 3:02:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/24/2006 3:03:39 PM EDT by thedoctors308]
That's a nice story.

Link Posted: 3/24/2006 3:05:13 PM EDT

You know, if more Arfcommers and like-minded people would apply to be ATF agents, and climb the chain of command at the ATF, the end result would be beneficial to everyone.

There's 90,000 registered members on this site. Surely at least 3% of us are looking for jobs. That's 2700 potential ATF agents right there.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 3:05:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KS_Physicist:
You know, if more Arfcommers and like-minded people would apply to be ATF agents, and climb the chain of command at the ATF, the end result would be beneficial to everyone.

There's 90,000 registered members on this site. Surely at least 3% of us are looking for jobs. That's 2700 potential ATF agents right there.

It would start that way but sooner or later they would brain wash you.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 3:07:26 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 3:08:36 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 3:09:48 PM EDT
ATF Agents are the real heros.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 3:10:20 PM EDT
Given that in the United States, sustained full-auto fire does not establish probable cause - or even a reasonable suspicion - of illegal conduct, BATFE's mere presence and inquiry were an affront to the rule of law and a waste of time. It's as if the DEA sent a team in body armor with automatic rifles to check outgoing carts at the grocery store because of reports of sales of "a leafy green substance," thanking the good citizens for their cooperation in allowing the inspection of their parsley, spinach, and collards.

BATFE is a way of providing dangerous but ultimately useless employment to a mixed bag of nice guys and Nazi cocksuckers.

Link Posted: 3/24/2006 3:12:24 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 3:12:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Napoleon_Tanerite:
lies.

the BATFE are nothing but JBT. your story is rejected



Hey Napoleon!

Didn't you just get married a week or two ago? Can't you think of anything that might be more fun than this sort of mindless blather?

I know, I know, don't feed the trolls.

Link Posted: 3/24/2006 3:19:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By shotar:

Originally Posted By FLAL1A:
Given that in the United States, sustained full-auto fire does not establish probable cause - or even a reasonable suspicion - of illegal conduct, BATFE's mere presence and inquiry were an affront to the rule of law and a waste of time. It's as if the DEA sent a team in body armor with automatic rifles to check outgoing carts at the grocery store because of reports of sales of "a leafy green substance," thanking the good citizens for their cooperation in allowing the inspection of their parsley, spinach, and collards.

BATFE is a way of providing dangerous but ultimately useless employment to a mixed bag of nice guys and Nazi cocksuckers.




Coulda been alot worse. They could have sent lawyers.



OK, now that I will agree with you on.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 3:25:35 PM EDT
Was all a setup, a Psyop mission to try and lull us all into liking them
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 3:26:34 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 3:30:33 PM EDT
Sure, and those same guys went out and bullied small time FFLs into giving up their FFLs during the Clinton administration.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 3:43:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By shotar:

Originally Posted By FLAL1A:
Given that in the United States, sustained full-auto fire does not establish probable cause - or even a reasonable suspicion - of illegal conduct, BATFE's mere presence and inquiry were an affront to the rule of law and a waste of time. It's as if the DEA sent a team in body armor with automatic rifles to check outgoing carts at the grocery store because of reports of sales of "a leafy green substance," thanking the good citizens for their cooperation in allowing the inspection of their parsley, spinach, and collards.

BATFE is a way of providing dangerous but ultimately useless employment to a mixed bag of nice guys and Nazi cocksuckers.




Coulda been alot worse. They could have sent lawyers.



Hey, I resemble that remark!

In that case, the lawyers would have sent you a cease and desist letter first. Then they would have obtained a writ of possession and had the sheriff serve it on you, confiscating your guns. They would have your guns sold and the proceeds applied to their exhorbitant fee. They would have accomplished all this via cell phone from the 9th hole at the local golf course.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 3:47:04 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 3:50:17 PM EDT
Bahhh! You socialists are all expert at propaganda and indoctrination.

And knock it off with the Jedi Mind tricks.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 3:52:26 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 3:52:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By shotar:
It was a couple years ago at a local full / semi auto shoot. Someone called ATF because of the hours of full auto fire that sounded like thunder. Many arfcommers including me were there. When ATFE showed up, they were armed with M16s, full body armor and I think there were 3 of them plus a uniformed deputy. There were about 30 or so shooters present. The ATFE guys asked everyone to step back from the weapons but did not ask anyone to remove their sidearms. They checked a few guys paperwork and found everything in order. They said, " Cool Toys ", thanked us for our cooperation and were asked if they would like to stay and shoot with us. They declined siting being on duty and not being allowed to have fun on the taxpayer's time. We resumed shooting and they left.

No dogs were killed, buildings burned, or charges trumped up. They were nothing but professional and courteous to everyone. That is all.




and somehow I just don't care. What they stand for is enough for me to hate them. Hitler was nice to non-jewish german white protestants too.... I guess he's an ok guy then, right?
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 3:54:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By shotar:

Originally Posted By drjarhead:
Bahhh! You socialists are all expert at propaganda and indoctrination.

And knock it off with the Jedi Mind tricks.



[obiwan] These are not the feds you're looking for[/obiwan]




[clone] These are not the feds we're looking for. [/clone]
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 3:56:10 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 4:14:32 PM EDT
When my friends and I have an Automatic-Weapons Shoot, we first schedule that day with the particular private range where the FUN will be held.
Secondly, we must have proof of an insurance policy that will render the club non-liable etc, etc,.
Prior to the shoot, a sign is placed at the gate to the range stating that it is closed for a private function.
And, lastly, a call is made to the County Emergency Operations Center to expect calls of Automatic-Weapons being fired.
That being said, sometimes the lokel-yokels show up to scope things out and wish they had some of the weaponry that myself and friends have; Have never been asked for copies of tax stamps etc.
I think they are saddened by the fact that an "Private Citizen" is much better Armed!
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 4:28:09 PM EDT
The only experience I've had with an agent went like this...


I was in a local gunshop talking to the owner who I know well. He was acting weird and said ATF was going through his 4473's looking at several and photocopying them. MINE included.

Knowing I had done nothing wrong, I asked the agent what he needed my paperwork for...
He said it was just routine and not to worry.
I said I wasn't worried, and he'd find nothing because I'm squeaky-clean and have nothing to hide.

His reply was: "Oh... I'm sure we can find something."

I was speechless, and just walked out of the store.

Fucking JERK.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 5:51:09 PM EDT
Heres one-

I was shooting at the public range outside of Tallahassee and an ATF agent was there shooting on the pistol side. She was cool UNTIL we brought out our AR's, then she started in with the BS-

"Civilians" dont need those, Why do you have those, They are just rapid fire baby killing bullet hoses, Those should be confiscated, etc; etc; etc;

She shoulda taken her ass to Pat Thomas and shot at the LEO range


Friendly my ass
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 10:42:32 PM EDT
they called out an Armour(spell check)

"Armorer"
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 10:50:17 PM EDT
Yeah, they're great guys.




That's the crimescene photo of the .45 the ATF says the guy in pic 1 shot himself with.

Link Posted: 3/24/2006 10:53:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Spade:
Yeah, they're great guys.

www.worldnetdaily.com/images/taft_body.JPG
www.worldnetdaily.com/images/taft_gun2.JPG

That's the crimescene photo of the .45 the ATF says the guy in pic 1 shot himself with.




Am I missing something here?
The hammer on that piece is down.
Link Posted: 3/24/2006 10:57:47 PM EDT
They can't all be bad...

I worked a sting with 3 of them in a sporting goods store I was a manager at. One of them was a major "gun guy."

I am as suspicious as the next free American, but not every single one of them can be bad...
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