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Posted: 4/17/2007 12:03:51 PM EDT
I live in a nice community in a new upscale apartment building that has an approval list to get in and is somewhat affordable. The property has its own maintenance man that mows my lawn and waters my flowers, very nice place to live with nice people. From what I understand the land-lord comes around every year to inspect the apartments to make sure they are clean and check the fire alarms. My apartment has yet to be inspected being I’ve only lived here for around 7 months now.

So around 9:00 this morning I am awoken to a loud “ATF Like” banging at my front door, it pissed me off but I just ignored it and went back to sleep figuring it was one of my friends wanting to play my new PS3

So I close my eyes and about that time I hear my storm-door slam shut but again I ignore it pull the covers over my face and close my eyes.

A minute or two goes by when I hear two male voices outside my door followed by what sounds like someone inserting a key into my door and opening it, I jump out of bed grab my G21 and head for the living room only to find my land-lord and some random guy stranding in the door-way looking in, when I confronted him he said “O I didn’t think anyone was home, I was just going to show my brother-in-law how nice the apartments are inside”.  


So now I’m highly upset and want to move, I didn’t like what happened today at all,  what would you guys do?
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:08:27 PM EDT
[#1]
Move.


ETA:  Buy a house, I don't have to worry about a landlord....
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:08:55 PM EDT
[#2]
Change the locks.  Thats what I did when I lived in an apartment.  They have maintenance/bug control guys that go in and spray every apartment.  I can do my own treatment and don't trust anyone hardly.  They were pissed but they got over it.

Bill3508
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:08:58 PM EDT
[#3]
Nothing.  He has every right to enter your apartment, at least in my state.

He knocked first, assumed you weren't home, and let himself in. Nothing illegal about that, so long as he had just cause to enter.

If there was a fire, and he let himself in to put it out, would you still be upset?

Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:09:13 PM EDT
[#4]
What did they think of you confronting them at low-ready ?
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:09:51 PM EDT
[#5]
shoot
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:10:43 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
Move.


ETA:  Buy a house, I don't have to worry about a landlord....


+1 I wouldn't want to live there.
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:11:41 PM EDT
[#7]
That would piss me off too, if you like the place though, change the locks and call it good.  


Quoted:
What did they think of you confronting them at low-ready ?


Yeah, did you jump out screaming "DIE MFER DIE MFER DIE?"  

Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:11:42 PM EDT
[#8]
Here in Texas, that would be a blatant violation of the lease agreement, on the landlord's part.  They cannot just go into any unit they want to.  

They have to leave notice beforehand for any scheduled inspections or maintenance, or have to have consent otherwise before entering.  After entering, they have to leave written notice of when they were there, and why they were there.

I would have covered him with my weapon and then told him in no uncertain terms that he violated the lease agreement, and to GTFO.  
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:11:58 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
Nothing.  He has every right to enter your apartment, at least in my state.

He knocked first, assumed you weren't home, and let himself in. Nothing illegal about that, so long as he had just cause to enter.

If there was a fire, and he let himself in to put it out, would you still be upset?



They have the right to enter apartments for maintenance and emergencies, not to show their brother in law the apartments.

Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:12:39 PM EDT
[#10]
When I worked as a maintanence guy at my friends dads building we never entered a apt without permission unless there was a major problem
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:13:04 PM EDT
[#11]
I believe in some states, the landlord has to get permission to enter the residence.  Otherwise, it's no differnet than a burglar.
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:13:17 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Nothing.  He has every right to enter your apartment, at least in my state.

He knocked first, assumed you weren't home, and let himself in. Nothing illegal about that, so long as he had just cause to enter.

If there was a fire, and he let himself in to put it out, would you still be upset?



They have the right to enter apartments for maintenance and emergencies, not to show their brother in law the apartments.



check the lease.  It might have something built in to this effect:

Under the law, your lease can include a clause requiring you to provide a landlord with reasonable access to your apartment for the following reasons:

to inspect the apartment
to make repairs
to show the apartment to prospective purchasers, mortgagees, or tenants

If it's in the lease as such, he does not have to get your permission.
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:14:19 PM EDT
[#13]
I know where I am you need at least 24 hour notice from management before they are allowed to enter.
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:15:05 PM EDT
[#14]
Demand a renter's deadbolt.  Basically, you get the throw lever on the inside, but there's no keyhole on the outside, its just a blank plate.  It can only be engaged when someone's home and cant be locked/unlocked from the outside.

Or use a chain or the other similar locking devices.

Kharn
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:15:51 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
Nothing.  He has every right to enter your apartment, at least in my state.

He knocked first, assumed you weren't home, and let himself in. Nothing illegal about that, so long as he had just cause to enter.

If there was a fire, and he let himself in to put it out, would you still be upset?



Are you sure???

I thought in most states a landlord could NOT enter your house.

I can only speak about my own state though. In my state it IS illegal for the landlord to do what the OP describes. Here the landlord has to notify the tennant 24 hours in advance that he is coming over with the intention of coming inside AND the tennant has the right to be there. If the tennant is not going to be there the landlord can NOT come inside.

If I was asleep in my bed and I heard that shit I'd call the police...sure I may get evicted for some bullshit excuse after that but I will NOT submit to that shit.
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:16:39 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
I know where I am you need at least 24 hour notice from management before they are allowed to enter.


Mine is 48, and I live on base.
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:17:55 PM EDT
[#17]
My future landlord let us into a place without the owners permission. I didn't really think too much of it at the time. Granted, the tennant actually wasn't around, but in hindsight it was really odd.

I really wouldn't want to wake up to random people and a landlord in my living room, and I would likely have drawn on them as well. I don't see that it's grounds to move if you like the place. Just tell your landlord that you'd prefer that he doesn't enter your place in the future without prior notification as you like privacy. If he does it again, or has a problem with notifying you, then get the heck out.
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:19:20 PM EDT
[#18]
24 hours in Ohio. You can enter w/o notice in an emergency if you provide notice at earliest convience after the fact (like if a 3rd fllor apartment is flooding the units below it).
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:19:46 PM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Nothing.  He has every right to enter your apartment, at least in my state.

He knocked first, assumed you weren't home, and let himself in. Nothing illegal about that, so long as he had just cause to enter.

If there was a fire, and he let himself in to put it out, would you still be upset?



They have the right to enter apartments for maintenance and emergencies, not to show their brother in law the apartments.



check the lease.  It might have something built in to this effect:

Under the law, your lease can include a clause requiring you to provide a landlord with reasonable access to your apartment for the following reasons:

to inspect the apartment
to make repairs
to show the apartment to prospective purchasers, mortgagees, or tenants

If it's in the lease as such, he does not have to get your permission.


While I know what you are saying, and I managed an apartment complex before, showing how nice the apartment is to his brother in law is not covered in the items you stated. If he had stated he was there to inspect the apartment it would have been fine. What he did was wrong and if I had done something like that I would have been fired.

Landlords need access to the property, but they cannot just frivolously enter a dwelling.
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:21:59 PM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:
I live in a nice community in a new upscale apartment building that has an approval list to get in and is somewhat affordable. The property has its own maintenance man that mows my lawn and waters my flowers, very nice place to live with nice people. From what I understand the land-lord comes around every year to inspect the apartments to make sure they are clean and check the fire alarms. My apartment has yet to be inspected being I’ve only lived here for around 7 months now.

So around 9:00 this morning I am awoken to a loud “ATF Like” banging at my front door, it pissed me off but I just ignored it and went back to sleep figuring it was one of my friends wanting to play my new PS3

So I close my eyes and about that time I hear my storm-door slam shut but again I ignore it pull the covers over my face and close my eyes.

A minute or two goes by when I hear two male voices outside my door followed by what sounds like someone inserting a key into my door and opening it, I jump out of bed grab my G21 and head for the living room only to find my land-lord and some random guy stranding in the door-way looking in, when I confronted him he said “O I didn’t think anyone was home, I was just going to show my brother-in-law how nice the apartments are inside”.  


So now I’m highly upset and want to move, I didn’t like what happened today at all,  what would you guys do?


That's how burglaries start. Time to move.
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:22:10 PM EDT
[#21]
Deadbolt! NOW!
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:22:48 PM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Nothing.  He has every right to enter your apartment, at least in my state.

He knocked first, assumed you weren't home, and let himself in. Nothing illegal about that, so long as he had just cause to enter.

If there was a fire, and he let himself in to put it out, would you still be upset?



They have the right to enter apartments for maintenance and emergencies, not to show their brother in law the apartments.



check the lease.  It might have something built in to this effect:

Under the law, your lease can include a clause requiring you to provide a landlord with reasonable access to your apartment for the following reasons:

to inspect the apartment
to make repairs
to show the apartment to prospective purchasers, mortgagees, or tenants

If it's in the lease as such, he does not have to get your permission.


Its not. He told us that if he needs to inspect our apartment he would notify us first and make sure we were present during the inspection, he failed to do both and nearly took a hollow point for it, I would call the police but being we are in such a nice community I think I'll lit it slide this time
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:27:01 PM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:
Move.


ETA:  Buy a house, I don't have to worry about a landlord....


roger that


i have been living in apts since fresh yr of college

i hate them

random check ins

maintenance lets them selves in at will, happened all the time when i was at work

worthless neighbors, shit breaks all the time

i get my own house in 1 month
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:28:26 PM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:
What did they think of you confronting them at low-ready ?


I stayed up against the wall incase I had to exchange rounds with someone, I kept my gun at my side the entire time, I don't think they seen it
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:30:29 PM EDT
[#25]
Something like that happened tp me twenty years ago when I was renting an APT.

I had a problem with the stove and told the Land Lord about it and then came home the next day to find my front door open and some maintenence dude takin' a piss in "My" bathroom.

It upset me that someone could just open-up "My" front door anytime they decided to since I was just renting THEIR property so I went out and bought my first "House" (A 1959 10X50 mobile home) for $1,200.

It needed a little work but, the lot fee was about 1/3 of what I'd been paying in rent AND I was the only one with a key to the front door.

It's funny but, one of my best memories from that place was the morning after the first night I spent in it.  I got up to take a piss and, while I'm standing there doin' my business it struck me that THAT was MY Toilet, I OWNED it (I'd never owned a toilet before see).  It was "Almost" as good as getting that first drivers license or turning 21 lol

I can't even imagine renting now  There's been alot of houses (Real houses) since then and the thought of paying-off some other guy's mortgage......

Look around a little Rosenrot and see what you can find in your area on a land sales contract (Owner selling).  Chances are it AIN'T gonna be a palace but, it'll be YOURS and, you can get into alot of them for surprizingly little $$$ up front.
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:31:23 PM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:
Change the locks.  Thats what I did when I lived in an apartment.  They have maintenance/bug control guys that go in and spray every apartment.  I can do my own treatment and don't trust anyone hardly.  They were pissed but they got over it.

Bill3508


i did the same thing when my idiotic land lord did not care that he gave master keys to everyone in his 3 unit apartment building....
he was not too happy when his key did not work
i did not care as i was within the legal right
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:35:03 PM EDT
[#27]
I'm banking all of my money right now in order to buy a new home and some land, I still have about two years left of this apartment BS, I'm just debating rather I should stay here for those two years or rent somewhere else.


I wonder if I would have been justified to use deadly force in this situation?
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:35:45 PM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:


So now I’m highly upset and want to move, I didn’t like what happened today at all,  what would you guys do?



wtf are you serious?    Landlords own the property, you rent it from them.  He has every right to come in.  Ideally he should call you a few days in advance to say "hey on weds i'm bringing someone over to see the appt"  - but knocking multiple times is more than sufficient on his part.  

what about when your lease is ending?  If  you are not renewing, do you really expect him to not advertise the space until after you move out, and have months of no one renting?  If you owned a property, wouldnt you want to have the next guy lined up?  of course you would.   i fyou were looking for an apartment say, starting june 1st . The few places open have tenants until the end of may.  So do you ask to see the apartment now and look at various locations or just take one without seeing it?

you obviously want to see an apartment before you sign a lease.  he did nothing wrong and you are freaking out over pretty much nothing


If he barged in without nocking that would be a big issue.  Ideally he should have opened hte door a crack and called out "hey Rosenrot, are you home? I'm showing the apartment"  -

I rent and dont like the idea of my appt staff going into my room, but its not that big of a deal
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:36:25 PM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:
I'm banking all of my money right now in order to buy a new home and some land, I still have about two years left of this apartment BS, I'm just debating rather I should stay here for those two years or rent somewhere else.


I wonder if I would have been justified to use deadly force in this situation?


HAHA! That's probably VERY debateable but I wouldn't be surprised...especially considering they woke you up.


ETA:I hope you were kidding
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:36:28 PM EDT
[#30]

Quoted:
He knocked first, assumed you weren't home, and let himself in. Nothing illegal about that, so long as he had just cause to enter.

Go back and read his post again
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:39:23 PM EDT
[#31]

Quoted:

Quoted:


So now I’m highly upset and want to move, I didn’t like what happened today at all,  what would you guys do?



wtf are you serious?    Landlords own the property, you rent it from them.  He has every right to come in.  Ideally he should call you a few days in advance to say "hey on weds i'm bringing someone over to see the appt"  - but knocking multiple times is more than sufficient on his part.  

what about when your lease is ending?  If  you are not renewing, do you really expect him to not advertise the space until after you move out, and have months of no one renting?  If you owned a property, wouldnt you want to have the next guy lined up?  of course you would.   i fyou were looking for an apartment say, starting june 1st . The few places open have tenants until the end of may.  So do you ask to see the apartment now and look at various locations or just take one without seeing it?

you obviously want to see an apartment before you sign a lease.  he did nothing wrong and you are freaking out over pretty much nothing


What the fuck ever. Most states have ruled that the person living there has the rights not the person leasing it and the person living on the premises has to be given notice before letting the landlord in and has the right to be present to keep an eye on the landlord. I have never let my landlord in with making him follow the 24 hour rule our state has and without being here to walk around with him. He owns the note but this is MY house.
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:40:37 PM EDT
[#32]

Quoted:
I'm banking all of my money right now in order to buy a new home and some land, I still have about two years left of this apartment BS, I'm just debating rather I should stay here for those two years or rent somewhere else.


I wonder if I would have been justified to use deadly force in this situation?


Under what possible rationale?  "I ignored the banging on my door until I heard a key in the lock, saw it was my landlord, and shot him."  Well, that would take care of your rental problem for the next 25 years or so.

Next time, get your lazy ass out of bed and answer the door.  
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:42:41 PM EDT
[#33]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I'm banking all of my money right now in order to buy a new home and some land, I still have about two years left of this apartment BS, I'm just debating rather I should stay here for those two years or rent somewhere else.


I wonder if I would have been justified to use deadly force in this situation?


Under what possible rationale?  "I ignored the banging on my door until I heard a key in the lock, saw it was my landlord, and shot him."  Well, that would take care of your rental problem for the next 25 years or so.

Next time, get your lazy ass out of bed and answer the door.  



+1, EXACTLY.  think about it.

The best solution: read your lease to make sure there's no clause in there.  if there isnt, call your landlord, and tell him to please give you notice.  problem solved, no drama, no shooting people... and no having to haul all your stuff somewhere else
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:43:59 PM EDT
[#34]
That sounds pretty illegal.  At least it is here.
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:46:58 PM EDT
[#35]

Quoted:
I wonder if I would have been justified to use deadly force in this situation?



Are you for real?
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:48:02 PM EDT
[#36]
You are entitled to Quite Use and Enjoyment of your Apartment.

If you look at your lease you'll no doubt notice a clause that allows the landlord to enter upon reasonable notice or 24 hour notice.  Most states have statutes that require such a period after notice is given for a landlord to enter unless there is an emergency (broken pipe for example).  

Souds like you are a college student and if that is correct you may want tolook into whether your school has a legal aid department.  Inform them of your landlord's violation and your desire to claim a breach of the lease agreement and move out.  

This is pretty common with college apartments, because they feel that you will not put the effort in to do anything or wont be able to afford to do anything.

Check the criminal statutes by going to your State Legislature website where most allow you to do a search. If he violated the statute and violated the lease agreement you may even have grounds for a criminal complaint and could call the police.
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:48:03 PM EDT
[#37]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I'm banking all of my money right now in order to buy a new home and some land, I still have about two years left of this apartment BS, I'm just debating rather I should stay here for those two years or rent somewhere else.


I wonder if I would have been justified to use deadly force in this situation?


Under what possible rationale?  "I ignored the banging on my door until I heard a key in the lock, saw it was my landlord, and shot him."  Well, that would take care of your rental problem for the next 25 years or so.

Next time, get your lazy ass out of bed and answer the door.  


No I seen two men standing in my doorway with black jackets on one wearing a black hat and glasses, I didn't see it was my landlord until he opened his mouth, aside from me working 13  hours a day and having a 8 month old that keeps me up all night I'd say I have a pretty good damn reason to stay in bed genius
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:52:10 PM EDT
[#38]
Why not report the intrusion to the police.  If the landlord broke the law, regardless of what your lease says, then he broke the law.  If not the police will tell you the landlord was in the clear.  At least it is on record there was an intrusion so if the "brother-in-law" was casing your place there will be an eyebrow raised if anything is missing.  

What was the landlord's reaction to having a pistol pointed at him?  Seems he knew he made a mistake, or got caught this time, and didn't seem upset that he had a firearm in his face.  

What state do you live in?
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:57:22 PM EDT
[#39]
Is your dog okay?



Link Posted: 4/17/2007 12:58:43 PM EDT
[#40]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
I'm banking all of my money right now in order to buy a new home and some land, I still have about two years left of this apartment BS, I'm just debating rather I should stay here for those two years or rent somewhere else.


I wonder if I would have been justified to use deadly force in this situation?


Under what possible rationale?  "I ignored the banging on my door until I heard a key in the lock, saw it was my landlord, and shot him."  Well, that would take care of your rental problem for the next 25 years or so.

Next time, get your lazy ass out of bed and answer the door.  


No I seen two men standing in my doorway with black jackets on one wearing a black hat and glasses, I didn't see it was my landlord until he opened his mouth, aside from me working 13  hours a day and having a 8 month old that keeps me up all night I'd say I have a pretty good damn reason to stay in bed genius


So now you have a baby in the house and you ignore people banging on your door?

I think you're the genius, sparky.  Given your previous posts, though, none of this surprises me.
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 1:03:58 PM EDT
[#41]
You could do what I did when I pulled a 9 mm on my First Sergeant under similar circumstances during a dorm room ispection.  Apologize profusely!

The only thing that saved my ass was that he didn't knock first, and I was a shift worker and he knew it.  Firearms were forbidden in the Dorms, but he let me slide because in his words "I screwed up and at least you didn't shoot me".
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 1:09:57 PM EDT
[#42]
+1
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 1:13:50 PM EDT
[#43]
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 1:15:25 PM EDT
[#44]

Quoted:
That's how burglaries start. Time to move.

Dave would know about appartment robberies.

I'd try to do the deadbolt or change the locks if you know it's not against the rules of your lease.
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 1:23:51 PM EDT
[#45]
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 1:34:52 PM EDT
[#46]

Quoted:
Nothing.  He has every right to enter your apartment, at least in my state.

He knocked first, assumed you weren't home, and let himself in. Nothing illegal about that, so long as he had just cause to enter.

If there was a fire, and he let himself in to put it out, would you still be upset?



No right to show it to a buddy.

TXL
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 1:45:59 PM EDT
[#47]
Move end of conversation.
I rented a house once and woke on a saturday to my landloard and his wife having tea in my kitchen. What freaked me out was them saying what? Are you going to sleep all day? WTF?
When I moved out and asked for the deposit and unused rent portion the were shocked that I was upset with them walking in. I suggested they read the tennants rights before re-renting the home.
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 2:53:37 PM EDT
[#48]
MOVE.
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 3:01:23 PM EDT
[#49]

Quoted:

A minute or two goes by when I hear two male voices outside my door followed by what sounds like someone inserting a key into my door and opening it, I jump out of bed grab my G21 and head for the living room only to find my land-lord and some random guy stranding in the door-way looking in, when I confronted him he said “O I didn’t think anyone was home, I was just going to show my brother-in-law how nice the apartments are inside”.


So, was this the apartment manager, or some "random guy"?

landlords can not just "let themselves in" to show someone how nice the places are.  This is an invasion of your privacy.

If he's an agent of the owner, I'd be writing an angry letter to the owner and hopefully get this jackass fired.

I'd also file a police report... if stuff turns up missing in the near future, let the cops be able to see that this guy is in the habit of letting himself and his brother-in-law into apartments they think are currently unoccupied.
Link Posted: 4/17/2007 3:02:50 PM EDT
[#50]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Nothing.  He has every right to enter your apartment, at least in my state.

He knocked first, assumed you weren't home, and let himself in. Nothing illegal about that, so long as he had just cause to enter.

If there was a fire, and he let himself in to put it out, would you still be upset?



Are you sure???

I thought in most states a landlord could NOT enter your house.

I can only speak about my own state though. In my state it IS illegal for the landlord to do what the OP describes. Here the landlord has to notify the tennant 24 hours in advance that he is coming over with the intention of coming inside AND the tennant has the right to be there. If the tennant is not going to be there the landlord can NOT come inside.

If I was asleep in my bed and I heard that shit I'd call the police...sure I may get evicted for some bullshit excuse after that but I will NOT submit to that shit.


You have several different factors, in most states there is an applicable law governing the basic rights of landlords and tenants, there is the lease agreement, and depending on the state, the lease may supercede the state laws.

So in the OPs case, he needs to know the state laws AND the lease.  In any case, the Landlord was likely out of lione.

Other than that, I think I may smell a rat here.  What ARFCOMMER has such a clean apartment the landlord would use it for an example?
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