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Posted: 5/19/2005 12:27:58 AM EDT
My friend is considering being gay. He told my sis vis MSN messenger (why he told her, nobody knows) that he has started to notice some guys. He said "woold has been pulled off my eyes", as we were brought up in a conservative, christian school. He has been talking to the guys in his French subject at uni (they are ALL gay) and they have been trying to bring him over.

He has never had a girlfriend. The only time we, his closest friends, have known of a crush he has had, was when he liked some girl who he took to the yr12 formal. She was a model but had a boyfriend and he had no chance at all. Hes bloody surrounded by girls in his uni course (finance) and at work.

He is VERY fashion/appearance/body conscious.

What can my friends and I do to try and persuade him to stay in the light side?

We have thought stuff like getting him laid or taking him to a titty bar or something to show him the joys of women.

I dont mind if he becomes gay cos hes my friend, but i would prefer it if he wasnt
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 12:30:49 AM EDT
Get him laid. That's all there really is to it.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 12:31:11 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 12:31:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By FiftyCalibre:
My friend is considering being gay. He told my sis vis MSN messenger (why he told her, nobody knows) that he has started to notice some guys. He said "woold has been pulled off my eyes", as we were brought up in a conservative, christian school. He has been talking to the guys in his French subject at uni (they are ALL gay) and they have been trying to bring him over.

He has never had a girlfriend. The only time we, his closest friends, have known of a crush he has had, was when he liked some girl who he took to the yr12 formal. She was a model but had a boyfriend and he had no chance at all. Hes bloody surrounded by girls in his uni course (finance) and at work.

He is VERY fashion/appearance/body conscious.

What can my friends and I do to try and persuade him to stay in the light side?

We have thought stuff like getting him laid or taking him to a titty bar or something to show him the joys of women.

I dont mind if he becomes gay cos hes my friend, but i would prefer it if he wasnt



Maybe he just doesn't know what he's missing .
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 12:31:27 AM EDT
Considering being gay? I really dont get it, you is or you aints.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 12:33:36 AM EDT
Thats more chics for you
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 12:33:54 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 12:35:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/19/2005 12:36:21 AM EDT by Miss_Magnum]
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 12:46:00 AM EDT
How do you consider being gay?
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 12:50:39 AM EDT
As in he thinks he might like men, and might begin to persue men. As in he thinks being gay might be the right thing for him.

Im not trying to mess with his sexuality, im trying to pull him back into the light. His gay french class friends are trying to pull him to the dark side. Is it so wrong for me to try and show him the joys of women?
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 12:56:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By FiftyCalibre:
As in he thinks he might like men, and might begin to persue men. As in he thinks being gay might be the right thing for him.

Im not trying to mess with his sexuality, im trying to pull him back into the light. His gay french class friends are trying to pull him to the dark side. Is it so wrong for me to try and show him the joys of women?



Has he already sucked a dick? If so too late
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 12:57:04 AM EDT
You can be lucky you are not ME!!! My daughter just broke the I am a Lesbian news to me. 45 years of believing in Christian ways and now I am to embrace that way of life?? I told her I can not condone that life style at this time in my life!!
What would you do??
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 1:01:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DEC:
You can be lucky you are not ME!!! My daughter just broke the I am a Lesbian news to me. 45 years of believing in Christian ways and now I am to embrace that way of life?? I told her I can not condone that life style at this time in my life!!
What would you do??



"I have no son/daughter [pick one]."
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 1:06:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DEC:
You can be lucky you are not ME!!! My daughter just broke the I am a Lesbian news to me. 45 years of believing in Christian ways and now I am to embrace that way of life?? I told her I can not condone that life style at this time in my life!!
What would you do??



Is she hot? I have nice lesbian friends. I could hook her up.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 1:10:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MallNinjaMuzzleflash:
Is she hot? I have nice lesbian friends. I could hook her up.





Get lost troll
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 1:10:41 AM EDT
If you're heterosexual, you don't ever consider being gay. The thought makes you dry heave.

If you're considering it, you're already gay and are shedding your programmed inhibitions and allowing yourself permission to be who you already are.

Just let him do what makes him happy, and don't let it bug you. Doesn't sound like he's considering it with you.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 1:11:05 AM EDT
"Considering?" I don't buy it. It's not like trying red and white wine and deciding which you like better. Either you like pie or you don't. And if you like pie, I find it highly unlikely that someone can talk you into wanting to have a sausage stuffed up your ass.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 1:11:40 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DEC:
You can be lucky you are not ME!!! My daughter just broke the I am a Lesbian news to me. 45 years of believing in Christian ways and now I am to embrace that way of life?? I told her I can not condone that life style at this time in my life!!
What would you do??



[Liberal] You're just not open-minded enough for this. Hey, maybe you should try it yourself, you know "don't knock it until you try it" and all that gay stuff. Heh, I said gay. It has a double meaning. Te-he-he. [/Liberal]

Aside from it being unnatural, a choice, disgusting, against the progression of the species, and used to be classified as a mental disease, it's really not that bad.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 1:17:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MallNinjaMuzzleflash:

Originally Posted By DEC:
You can be lucky you are not ME!!! My daughter just broke the I am a Lesbian news to me. 45 years of believing in Christian ways and now I am to embrace that way of life?? I told her I can not condone that life style at this time in my life!!
What would you do??



Is she hot? I have nice lesbian friends. I could hook her up.




Lookie at the
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 1:21:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DEC:
You can be lucky you are not ME!!! My daughter just broke the I am a Lesbian news to me. 45 years of believing in Christian ways and now I am to embrace that way of life?? I told her I can not condone that life style at this time in my life!!
What would you do??



No, you're not supposed to embrace that way of life.

You're only supposed to try to understand your daughter's motivation for telling you. Is she hitting back for childhood issues? Mad at you? Or, is she happy and just seeking some sort of understanding because she's in a stable relationship with a woman? I suspect it's more about creating some chaos at a time when her sexuality is still not completely focused. Women are different than men, and they can be all over the sexual map when they're young....for a variety of reasons.

Personally, I've dealt with alot of bisexual and lesbian girls in counseling, and most had childhood issues with the family, either alcoholism, abandonment, divorce or abuse. Not suggesting, just offering a possiblity.

What you do about your daughter's choice is your own business, but try to understand what she's going through instead of what you are. Not saying that as an attack, but as genuine advice. Understanding her motivation and drive towards her lifestyle and choices is more important than focusing on how her news affects you or your beliefs. Understanding whats going on will improve your life more than dwelling on "why me?".
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 1:23:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/19/2005 1:23:49 AM EDT by MallNinjaMuzzleflash]
"Aside from it being unnatural, a choice,"

Try to be gay.

I mean it, try really hard to be gay.

you will see that it doesn't work.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 1:26:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By swingset:
If you're heterosexual, you don't ever consider being gay. The thought makes you dry heave.

If you're considering it, you're already gay and are shedding your programmed inhibitions and allowing yourself permission to be who you already are.

Just let him do what makes him happy, and don't let it bug you. Doesn't sound like he's considering it with you.



Good point, but as a friend I dont want him to do things that he may regret later in life. Itll be hell on his parents (I dont really care for his mum cos shes a total BITCH) and his grandma.

I want to show him the goodness of women. If he sees at that and still goes to the dark side, then I wont complain at all and ill support him.


My sympathies DEC. I too am a Christian and do not embrace gayness, but I will stand by him as a friend even though I may not believe that homosexuality is correct.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 1:28:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By leelaw:
Aside from it being unnatural, a choice, disgusting, against the progression of the species, and used to be classified as a mental disease, it's really not that bad.



Two chicks making out is hot. Can't think of anything more natural.



Link Posted: 5/19/2005 1:28:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MallNinjaMuzzleflash:
"Aside from it being unnatural, a choice,"

Try to be gay.

I mean it, try really hard to be gay.

you will see that it doesn't work.



It is a choice. I know a man who was gay and later stopped becoming one because he knew that it was not what the Lord wanted. He is now married and IIRC has kids
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 1:30:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By FiftyCalibre:

Originally Posted By swingset:
If you're heterosexual, you don't ever consider being gay. The thought makes you dry heave.

If you're considering it, you're already gay and are shedding your programmed inhibitions and allowing yourself permission to be who you already are.

Just let him do what makes him happy, and don't let it bug you. Doesn't sound like he's considering it with you.



Good point, but as a friend I dont want him to do things that he may regret later in life. Itll be hell on his parents (I dont really care for his mum cos shes a total BITCH) and his grandma.

I want to show him the goodness of women. If he sees at that and still goes to the dark side, then I wont complain at all and ill support him.


My sympathies DEC. I too am a Christian and do not embrace gayness, but I will stand by him as a friend even though I may not believe that homosexuality is correct.



You can't unmake a homosexual any more than you can make a heterosexual man gay. It's his brain's wiring, chief, not some whim.

Accept it, or don't.

It's his life and the cards he was dealt (for whatever reason). He has to make his happiness as best he can. He will need friends that don't judge him. If you can't be that, then cut him loose and move on.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 1:32:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By FiftyCalibre:

Originally Posted By MallNinjaMuzzleflash:
"Aside from it being unnatural, a choice,"

Try to be gay.

I mean it, try really hard to be gay.

you will see that it doesn't work.



It is a choice. I know a man who was gay and later stopped becoming one because he knew that it was not what the Lord wanted. He is now married and IIRC has kids



So, then, conversely, you could start blowing guys and you'd be gay? In your heart?

Doesn't work that way. You are what you are, and if you force yourself into an unnatural state you may continue to do it but you are not changing your nature - only your behavior.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 1:46:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By swingset:

Originally Posted By FiftyCalibre:

Originally Posted By swingset:
If you're heterosexual, you don't ever consider being gay. The thought makes you dry heave.

If you're considering it, you're already gay and are shedding your programmed inhibitions and allowing yourself permission to be who you already are.

Just let him do what makes him happy, and don't let it bug you. Doesn't sound like he's considering it with you.



Good point, but as a friend I dont want him to do things that he may regret later in life. Itll be hell on his parents (I dont really care for his mum cos shes a total BITCH) and his grandma.

I want to show him the goodness of women. If he sees at that and still goes to the dark side, then I wont complain at all and ill support him.


My sympathies DEC. I too am a Christian and do not embrace gayness, but I will stand by him as a friend even though I may not believe that homosexuality is correct.



You can't unmake a homosexual any more than you can make a heterosexual man gay. It's his brain's wiring, chief, not some whim.

Accept it, or don't.

It's his life and the cards he was dealt (for whatever reason). He has to make his happiness as best he can. He will need friends that don't judge him. If you can't be that, then cut him loose and move on.



All i want to do is show him how good it is being straight, and if he prefers the fellas, then ill accept his decision.

Im not judging him on his sexuality. Im trying to be his friend and make sure that he is sure of himself before he does anything which he might later regret. If he found happiness in drugs then what would you expect me to do? Leave him be? Ill do what a true friend does and try and get him out of it. Bad analogy I know but as a friend I have an obligation to try and ensure he doesnt do things which he will regret later on in life.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 1:53:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By swingset:

Originally Posted By FiftyCalibre:

Originally Posted By MallNinjaMuzzleflash:
"Aside from it being unnatural, a choice,"

Try to be gay.

I mean it, try really hard to be gay.

you will see that it doesn't work.



It is a choice. I know a man who was gay and later stopped becoming one because he knew that it was not what the Lord wanted. He is now married and IIRC has kids



So, then, conversely, you could start blowing guys and you'd be gay? In your heart?

Doesn't work that way. You are what you are, and if you force yourself into an unnatural state you may continue to do it but you are not changing your nature - only your behavior.



A booklet that was given to me on sex and stuff at church states that

"a North American group called National association for the Research and Treatment of Homosexuality (NARTH) is demonstrating a very different picture to what the media feeds us. One study of people who were seeking to overcome their homosexual feelings discovered:

-The groups surveyed reported massive drops in the frequency and intensity of homosexual thoughts, in the frequency of masturbation to homosexual pornograpghy, in the frequency of homosexual activity with a partner
-Although 83% of respondents indicted they had entered therapy primarily because of homosexuality, 99% of thouse who participated in the survey now said they believed treatment to change homosexuality can be effective and valuable.

One of the other people who was surveyed stated:

"I never expected this much recovery. ...Change is extremely difficult and requires total commitment. But I have broken the terrible power that homosexuality had over me for so long. I havent felt this light and happy since I was a child. People can and do change.""

That originally came from "What some of you were", edited bu Christopher Keane
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 1:56:24 AM EDT
Whatever you do, DO NOT use any phrase that has Pooper, and Post Pics in it.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 2:12:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By FiftyCalibre:

Originally Posted By swingset:

Originally Posted By FiftyCalibre:

Originally Posted By MallNinjaMuzzleflash:
"Aside from it being unnatural, a choice,"

Try to be gay.

I mean it, try really hard to be gay.

you will see that it doesn't work.



It is a choice. I know a man who was gay and later stopped becoming one because he knew that it was not what the Lord wanted. He is now married and IIRC has kids



So, then, conversely, you could start blowing guys and you'd be gay? In your heart?

Doesn't work that way. You are what you are, and if you force yourself into an unnatural state you may continue to do it but you are not changing your nature - only your behavior.



A booklet that was given to me on sex and stuff at church states that

"a North American group called National association for the Research and Treatment of Homosexuality (NARTH) is demonstrating a very different picture to what the media feeds us. One study of people who were seeking to overcome their homosexual feelings discovered:

-The groups surveyed reported massive drops in the frequency and intensity of homosexual thoughts, in the frequency of masturbation to homosexual pornograpghy, in the frequency of homosexual activity with a partner
-Although 83% of respondents indicted they had entered therapy primarily because of homosexuality, 99% of thouse who participated in the survey now said they believed treatment to change homosexuality can be effective and valuable.

One of the other people who was surveyed stated:

"I never expected this much recovery. ...Change is extremely difficult and requires total commitment. But I have broken the terrible power that homosexuality had over me for so long. I havent felt this light and happy since I was a child. People can and do change.""

That originally came from "What some of you were", edited bu Christopher Keane



Look, if you look at this from a "I'm going to SAVE HIM FROM HIMSELF" crusade and do it with from a religious belief that what he is doing is deciding to do revolting things with guys, good fucking luck. Come back here in 5 years and tell me how great he's doing.

Just think for 2 seconds. All of his new lifestyle will invite is chaos....from his friends, from his family, from society, from a health standpoint, everything....and I'm sure he proabably knows it. Do you really think he's "choosing" to go against being heterosexual as some little adventure?

The guy is ALREADY GAY. He obviously prefers guys to girls, and that's that.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 2:25:14 AM EDT
Take him to a good Stip Club buy him a few lap dances.

Then buy him a whore, (a good hot one) and if he still don't like women beat'em stright.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 2:28:50 AM EDT
Lube up!
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 2:36:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Speedinc:
Take him to a good Stip Club buy him a few lap dances.

Then buy him a whore, (a good hot one) and if he still don't like women beat'em stright.



Nah, he's already crossed over to the dark side. You can waste your money if you want but, I think he's made his choice already.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 2:58:58 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DEC:
You can be lucky you are not ME!!! My daughter just broke the I am a Lesbian news to me. 45 years of believing in Christian ways and now I am to embrace that way of life?? I told her I can not condone that life style at this time in my life!!
What would you do??



I would move from Maine. Too many granola teen chicks who think anything non-normal is cool.
Try moving to NC or AL bible belt....
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 3:00:26 AM EDT
If he is already "noticing" guys, then your friend is already gay, no considering about it!!
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 3:01:50 AM EDT
get him one of these:


Link Posted: 5/19/2005 3:04:16 AM EDT
Have him blow you. That should teach him a thing or two.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 3:10:44 AM EDT
After he goes to sleep, club him like a baby seal.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 3:16:42 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 3:17:01 AM EDT
Folks, gay is a general term inclusive of all those who have sex with the same gender. Some people are bisexual, meaning sex with either gender is as comfortable and as natural as heterosexual sex. Bisexuals can make long term commitments with either gender. This commitment does not mean they no longer are bisexual ( gay ) only that they found someone special.

True friends who except the gay friend as is are worth their weight in gold!
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 3:18:06 AM EDT
+1000 get him laid!!!!!

The only reason he thinks he is gay is due to lack of options.

And tell him to quit hanging around faggots.

FREE
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 3:21:17 AM EDT
Sounds like you're already doing the "Love the sinner, hate the sin" thing, good luck which ever way it works out.

But I'd tend to say if he's really noticing guys that much then he's already turned...

un PC joke:

Guy walks into a bar, asks the bartender for three double shots.
Bartender: What are they for?
Guy: I just had my first blowjob
Bartender: Ah, celebrating?
Guy: Nah, trying to take away the taste.

/PHil
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 3:21:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By RustedAce:
Considering being gay? I really dont get it, you is or you aints.



No shit. If he's attracted to guys, he gay. Or bisexual. If he was really my friend and I liked him, I wouldn't care or worry about it unless he got into the harcore hedonism gay scene that spreads disease and drug abuse far and wide.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 3:31:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/19/2005 9:40:39 AM EDT by sgtar15]
You're "friend" is ill.

SGatr15
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 3:32:27 AM EDT
I agree raven, but that hardcore scene exists in the world in general. Drugs and disease are everywhere and can be spread by anyone regardless of social standing.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 3:34:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By FiftyCalibre:
My friend is considering being gay...what can I do?



Leave him be.

If you push, you may lose him as a friend as well, then any chance you may have to show him the error of his ways will be gone, along with the friendship.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 3:35:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By FiftyCalibre:
...he has started to notice some guys...He has never had a girlfriend...He is VERY fashion/appearance/body conscious...



Get a clue, he's always been gay.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 3:39:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By swingset:

Originally Posted By leelaw:
Aside from it being unnatural, a choice, disgusting, against the progression of the species, and used to be classified as a mental disease, it's really not that bad.



Two chicks making out is hot. Can't think of anything more natural.

www.torontopics.com/digital/games/britmad.jpg




Chicks making out is hot.

The typhoid trash skank Madonna is anything but.

Quit drinking Cuyahoga River water, it is bramaging your dain.


Link Posted: 5/19/2005 3:55:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By FREEFALLE6:
+1000 get him laid!!!!!

The only reason he thinks he is gay is due to lack of options.

And tell him to quit hanging around faggots.

FREE



+1001

Sounds like he hasn't tasted pie.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 3:56:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Mall-Ninja:

Originally Posted By DEC:
You can be lucky you are not ME!!! My daughter just broke the I am a Lesbian news to me. 45 years of believing in Christian ways and now I am to embrace that way of life?? I told her I can not condone that life style at this time in my life!!
What would you do??



"I have no son/daughter [pick one]."



Love your daughter even if you don't agree. I bet she loves you even if she doesn't agree totaly with you. It's ok for you to hate it, but don't hate her.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 4:01:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By FiftyCalibre:
What can my friends and I do to try and persuade him to stay in the light side?



If he is a Christian, (Which I am guessing he isn't) then you take him to scripture.

If he is not, then you are SOL.

Usually by the time a guy admits same sex attraction, they are pretty firmly in the batting order for the other team.
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