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Posted: 11/9/2012 12:34:40 PM EST
I'm hoping I can get some help on how to go about making my deck stairs more secure.

I moved into this house a little over a year ago. One of the last things to be done to it before I bought it was that the deck rails,steps, and surface were replaced. The frame stayed original. Having never had a house with a deck before, I thought everything was kosher. I have now discovered that this is not the case.
As you can see by the pics below, my stairs seem very unsafe. I think there are only 2 nails holding it to the deck and it wobbles pretty bad when you use them.
Is there anything I can do short of starting over that will help?

Oh, and that plastic decking material sucks donkey balls. Hotter than asphalt in the sun and slicker than snot when wet.


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Link Posted: 11/9/2012 12:45:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/9/2012 12:55:30 PM EST by bloodsport2885]
Get some quarter inch angle plates cut and lag bolt them to the deck and stairs on both sides of the stepboard supports. Problem solved.

To do it right you may need to take down the stairs but you won't have to start over.
Link Posted: 11/9/2012 1:29:30 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/9/2012 1:32:24 PM EST by JosephTurrisi]
Are the boards running from the porch to the ground pine or pressure treated? If they are not pressure treated they need to be replace. I would rip those stairs down and pay a builder to redo it the the right way those little blocks under each step are a sign that someone was either to cheap to do it right or didn't know what they were doing. Those side boards should have been 2x12 and had the steps cut in them so the step was supported by the stringer and not by a block nailed to them.
Link Posted: 11/9/2012 2:04:56 PM EST
Ugh... I hate seeing work like that. Whoever built that should be doing something else.

Your cheapest option is probably to buy a Simpson joist hanger or an L70 (can't really see from the pics which would work best) and install on the outside "stringer" to create a better connection to that ledger. Then, make sure the ledger is well connected to the rim joist.

On the inside stringer maybe you can block between the stringer and rim joist so that a thru-bolt could be installed, allowing the rim joist to pick up the stringer. Hard to see if there's enough overlap there to do it though.

Your wood doesn't look pressure treated and your nails are definitely not galvanized.

Your other option (besides starting over) is to add a couple posts directly under your stringers. You might also want to add an L bracket where the stringers land on the concrete, usually when we pour a landing we'll wet set some brackets for the stringers. These keep the top from sliding down and the bottom from sliding out!
Link Posted: 11/9/2012 6:47:21 PM EST
Holy shit, that all needs to go. Stacking 5/4" composite deck boards on top of acq is a clusterfuck to begin with, composite 5/4" decking is to only span 12" on center, they fucked you. The answer is start over, last year I rebuilt a deck that collasped 9ft during a weight watchers celebration party, (no bullshit). House was only 10 years old, thankfully nobody was hurt.
Link Posted: 11/9/2012 7:12:56 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/9/2012 7:13:12 PM EST by Trollslayer]
These pictures remind of a game they play over on Fine Homebuilding.com. It's called, "You're the Inspector" or "What's Wrong with this Picture"?

Step 1 - Get a sound design for your deck.

Step 2 - Build it to print and to code.

Step 3 - Provide some overhead shade so you can actually use and enjoy your deck.
Link Posted: 11/10/2012 6:29:46 PM EST
I had a feeling you guys would steer me down the right path that I didn't want to go down. Looks like I'll be working on getting a whole new set of stairs. I'm sure the railing is all wrong too. It's the same all along the top as it is on the stairs in the first pic.
I do appreciate all the feedback.
Link Posted: 11/11/2012 5:34:03 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/11/2012 5:34:51 AM EST by WildApple]
I've seen deer stands sturdier than that deck

Although, I'd prolly just throw some more nail and supports at it......
Link Posted: 11/11/2012 6:41:17 AM EST
Originally Posted By ydididothis:
last year I rebuilt a deck that collasped 9ft during a weight watchers celebration party


HAHA. I believe you may have been behind the 8 ball on that one sir
Link Posted: 11/11/2012 10:36:36 AM EST
Originally Posted By ydididothis:
Holy shit, that all needs to go. Stacking 5/4" composite deck boards on top of acq is a clusterfuck to begin with, composite 5/4" decking is to only span 12" on center, they fucked you. The answer is start over, last year I rebuilt a deck that collasped 9ft during a weight watchers celebration party, (no bullshit). House was only 10 years old, thankfully nobody was hurt.




Everything here.

Those deck boards are springy between joists, huh?
Link Posted: 11/12/2012 2:03:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/12/2012 2:04:30 PM EST by Scoobypup]
Originally Posted By Arms_Reach:



Everything here.

Those deck boards are springy between joists, huh?



The joists are 12" apart so there isn't much flex on the main deck. Since the "professional" didn't touch the original deck framing, he didn't get a chance to do it wrong.
Link Posted: 11/14/2012 4:19:18 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/14/2012 4:19:39 PM EST by slanted]
Originally Posted By DuraToTheMax:
Ugh... your nails are definitely not galvanized.


First thing that jumped out at me. Those nails will fail in a few years and cause a fall. Get some galvanized fasteners in there.

Link Posted: 11/14/2012 4:27:44 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/14/2012 4:31:22 PM EST by doc_Zox]
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 10:33:35 AM EST
Rip it all out and do it right. It will fail when it is least oportune.
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 10:49:37 AM EST
If you bought the house from someone, talk to the former owner/real estate company and indicate that the repairs weren't up to code.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 9:34:09 AM EST

Originally Posted By olivers_AR:
If you bought the house from someone, talk to the former owner/real estate company and indicate that the repairs weren't up to code.
Will not matter... they purchased the house as is. The home inspector, if there was one, should have flagged it as a safety issue prior to closing in order to be repaired.

Link Posted: 11/22/2012 1:15:28 PM EST
Op check out this website as well

http://www.strongtie.com/deckcenter/index.html?source=category
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