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Posted: 6/22/2017 8:17:43 AM EST
Special Investigator for Child Protective Services. She is only 30 days in, still training and shadowing other investigators. In this short time some of the shit she has seen is incredible.

She says a great many of the complaints followed up are BS, and they have to be very careful about overstepping their bounds with regard to parental rights. I was actually glad to hear that just because you spank your child, doesn't mean you lose your kids.

But some of the shit is bizarre. Incest, heroin shooting mom's, etc. Not a job I could do without losing my temper.
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 8:20:07 AM EST
A friend did that for a short time. Tough line of work. Hope your daughter is strong - I'd lose my shit in short order and do things that would land me in jail, some messed up "parents" out there. 
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 8:23:17 AM EST
Takes a heart of steel to do a job like that, considering the people you encounter.
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 8:25:02 AM EST
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 8:28:19 AM EST
tell her to make a changing area in her garage at home

she does not want to be wearing the same clothes home into her house that she wears on house calls at work
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 8:30:31 AM EST
Pics of daughter?
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 9:06:43 AM EST
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Originally Posted By rogueboss:
tell her to make a changing area in her garage at home

she does not want to be wearing the same clothes home into her house that she wears on house calls at work
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Good thought.
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 9:16:28 AM EST
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Originally Posted By rogueboss:
tell her to make a changing area in her garage at home

she does not want to be wearing the same clothes home into her house that she wears on house calls at work
Good thought.
100% truth, also buy some bug spray chemicals on Amazon with spray bottles to keep in car, keep hair up and sprayed with hairspray.
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 9:21:34 AM EST
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Shot job with high burnout rates.


A friend of mine is a rape crisis nurse. Some of her stories would be a NC17 movie if not full XXX if they were done true to life.

Edit; tell her to make good friends with people she works with. It's hard to decompress when you can't talk to people who understand what you see every day.
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 9:22:29 AM EST
I did that right out of college and it was the WORST job I have ever had. You see a lot but they over work you for what you get paid. Give you unreasonable work loads and take forever to pay you back for travel and food. I hope she does well but I would never recommend it to anyone. I lasted 1 year before walking out. Maybe MI is better than TX in that department.
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 9:23:52 AM EST
Watch her my friend, it can lead to depression in her life and.... who could blame them?
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 9:24:09 AM EST
Wait until one parent falsely accuses the other of something.
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 9:31:51 AM EST
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Originally Posted By rogueboss:
tell her to make a changing area in her garage at home

she does not want to be wearing the same clothes home into her house that she wears on house calls at work
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That is an excellent idea, thank you.

Yeah, quite honestly I don't know that she can handle it...we discussed it when she applied for the job. She is the mirror of my wife, both super kind, good hearts, truly want to help people. Not calloused mentally AT ALL. I think my daughter will end up doing something else down the road.

I'm being hypocritical about it as well. It is a STATE job, awesome pay, benefits, very happy for my daughter etc....and I talk shit about gubmint employees all the time. We have had that conversation as well....as in "don't become a lazy state employee". Honestly though, like LEO and Fire Departments, this is something I don't mind seeing my tax dollars spent on.
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 9:34:10 AM EST
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Originally Posted By IceStationZebra:
Watch her my friend, it can lead to depression in her life and.... who could blame them?
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Absolutely. She is young, and has NEVER seen what bad parenting looks like. I worry about her ability to remain detached.

She is doing it for the right reasons, which may be her flaw....
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 9:38:59 AM EST
While not nearly as bad, this is some of the same stuff that teachers have to deal with too. A lot of kids talk about their home life to their peers and the adults around them and some of the stories are terrible.
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 9:43:30 AM EST
Good for your daughter! The old "Lazy State Employee" comes from within the system. Employees are beat down with policy and procedure to the point where they just don't care anymore. I've been a State Employee for 24 years now. About 8 or 10 years ago we were put under another agency that loves making up BS policy and procedures. They have brought our production to a snails pace trying to get work done. Just this year, we were instructed no more purchases after June 9th since the fiscal year starts on July 1. And no new purchases until July 9th. So a 30 day hold on projects because one area of our department decided to extend their time by 3 weeks, while classes are still starting on schedule.
At some point, employees just get fed up and say fuck it.
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 9:43:52 AM EST
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That is doing gods work and the burn out rate is high
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 9:45:06 AM EST
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While not nearly as bad, this is some of the same stuff that teachers have to deal with too. A lot of kids talk about their home life to their peers and the adults around them and some of the stories are terrible.
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Thats what got her into pursuing this. She was a preschool teacher for the YMCA (a surprisingly well paying job). The freak parents she met doing that....she also had an honest to God run in with a BLM activist mom....my daughter was accused of bigotry because she allowed the BLM baby to have messy hair. Yep, that's right. My daughter was conspiring to have that child's hair messy, so that it reflected badly on BLM momma
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 9:47:58 AM EST
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Originally Posted By ScottsGT:
Good for your daughter! The old "Lazy State Employee" comes from within the system. Employees are beat down with policy and procedure to the point where they just don't care anymore. I've been a State Employee for 24 years now. About 8 or 10 years ago we were put under another agency that loves making up BS policy and procedures. They have brought our production to a snails pace trying to get work done. Just this year, we were instructed no more purchases after June 9th since the fiscal year starts on July 1. And no new purchases until July 9th. So a 30 day hold on projects because one area of our department decided to extend their time by 3 weeks, while classes are still starting on schedule.
At some point, employees just get fed up and say fuck it.
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I believe that....and my comments about "Lazy" really aren't founded by anything other than my hate of paying a tax and seeing road workers stand around. No disrespect meant to you or anyone else trying to do a good job, handicapped by a system.
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 9:53:17 AM EST
Originally Posted By TradWoodsman:
Special Investigator for Child Protective Services. She is only 30 days in, still training and shadowing other investigators. In this short time some of the shit she has seen is incredible.

She says a great many of the complaints followed up are BS, and they have to be very careful about overstepping their bounds with regard to parental rights. I was actually glad to hear that just because you spank your child, doesn't mean you lose your kids.

But some of the shit is bizarre. Incest, heroin shooting mom's, etc. Not a job I could do without losing my temper.
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In Texas, there are investigators and then there are Special Investigators. The SIs are former LEOs who still hold valid peace officer licenses. I was an investigator. I liked working with SIs and hated it too. They were kick ass interviewers and evidence collectors but it usually meant a child death or a seriously fucked up case. Glad I was only there a couple years.
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 9:54:56 AM EST
Originally Posted By TradWoodsman:

She says a great many of the complaints followed up are BS, and they have to be very careful about overstepping their bounds with regard to parental rights.
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Make damned sure she remembers this part of her training.

While a shitload of child abuse is very real, a LOT of it is bullshit.
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 9:57:54 AM EST
I work often with CPS and DSS and it can definitely be a shitshow.
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 9:59:11 AM EST
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Make damned sure she remembers this part of her training.

While a shitload of child abuse is very real, a LOT of it is bullshit.
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She says that actually MOST of what she has seen so far is made up stuff, either by an ex or a child. It sounds like her department is very wary about intruding where they should not be. Even with regards to corporal punishment. Apparently the rule sounds like "no bruise no blood it didn't happen".
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 10:11:04 AM EST
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I am sorry to tell you that she will most likely become bitter and cynical.

Seen it happen many times.
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Yup. None of any of the stuff the OPs daughter has seen or likely will ever see could shock me at this point.
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 10:13:31 AM EST
Does she have kids already?

She won't want to by the time she burns out
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 10:29:39 AM EST
Damn OP. I hope she has access to care for herself. As much as that is a really needed profession, I can't imagine how it won't take a toll.
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 10:30:43 AM EST
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Originally Posted By TradWoodsman:


I worry about her ability to remain detached.

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That could lead to very nasty problems, both personal and professional.
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 11:00:44 AM EST
How are her self-defense and situational awareness skills?

I helped with a women's self defense seminar several years ago and half the class were social workers. They had serious concerns regarding the situations their jobs put them in and several had already been in minor altercations.
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 11:12:36 AM EST
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My mother got canned for that, she was a social worker. She was happy when they let her go.
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 11:15:51 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Tactical_Spartan:
How are her self-defense and situational awareness skills?

I helped with a women's self defense seminar several years ago and half the class were social workers. They had serious concerns regarding the situations their jobs put them in and several had already been in minor altercations.
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Actually better than most girls her age. She carries a Glock 43, although she can't carry on the job. She is fit, trains, and is getting involved in some hand/hand self defense now. It is my understanding that they can request a police escort on any home visit.
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 11:21:36 AM EST
Personally, I would have a hard time doing my job. I am just a member of the community, but I am involved and a concerned citizen at my local high school, I have met more than my share of messed up parents and messed up kids. I met one grandmother who has to raise a 16 y/o kid whose parents are in prison for drug violations. No fun at. I wish your daughter well.
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 11:28:18 AM EST
I never liked that part of LE work.

Those folks are truly blessed to deal with that aspect of humanity on a constant basis.

Insist that she find someone to talk to. In the unfortunate circumstance when something happens, and she believes she should have seen it. She is going to beat herself up badly over it.
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 11:30:57 AM EST
As a foster parent, please tell her she's doing a great thing.

Given the back stories from some of the kids we've received...I can't imagine what she sees.
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 11:37:47 AM EST
She will be going into shitty houses in shitty neighborhoods at night sometimes.  

Hopefully she is armed. 
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 11:41:03 AM EST
I know a foster mother who got ratted out by her kid for serving fresh green beans for dinner!
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 11:50:16 AM EST
My mom did that job on an Indian reservation. She didn't do it very long for many reasons.
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 11:55:44 AM EST
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Originally Posted By rogueboss:
tell her to make a changing area in her garage at home

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Good idea.

My wife works for the county and they're spraying for bedbugs in one building. I would suspect the risk increases quite a bit if you go directly to the source.
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 11:56:04 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Quintin:
God bless her. Keep an eye on her and be there for her, OP - she's probably gonna see some of the worst humanity has to offer. 
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She is indeed...
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 12:07:18 PM EST
Originally Posted By TradWoodsman:
Special Investigator for Child Protective Services. She is only 30 days in, still training and shadowing other investigators. In this short time some of the shit she has seen is incredible.
She says a great many of the complaints followed up are BS, and they have to be very careful about overstepping their bounds with regard to parental rights. I was actually glad to hear that just because you spank your child, doesn't mean you lose your kids.
But some of the shit is bizarre. Incest, heroin shooting mom's, etc. Not a job I could do without losing my temper.
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Oh, I guess she turns over criminal activity to the local police if such activity is discovered.
I was a cop for a couple of years. Didn't see anything super awful when it came to kids in real life, other than what we learned and saw in police academy.

Oddly enough, crimes against children seems to be on the rise nationally.  Parents starving their children, keeping them in cages, etc., it's nuts.
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 12:08:47 PM EST
I'm going through fostering training now, and some of the stories i hear from the social workers is crazy, but yeah you are not losing your kids for spanking them.
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 12:09:45 PM EST
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Actually better than most girls her age. She carries a Glock 43, although she can't carry on the job. She is fit, trains, and is getting involved in some hand/hand self defense now. It is my understanding that they can request a police escort on any home visit.
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She's a Special Investigator and they aren't allowed to be armed? That's a crock. Anyone in that kind of situation needs to be armed.

Thank her for taking on the responsibility, but I'm with the others here. I'm pop a cork and be in jail. The stupidity of some of the stuff that I see go on in my own realm of knowledge is ridiculous.
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 12:11:21 PM EST
That's an important job to have good employees performing. I've met some really good ones. But I've seen at least one really bad one.
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 12:11:52 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Tactical_Spartan:
How are her self-defense and situational awareness skills?

I helped with a women's self defense seminar several years ago and half the class were social workers. They had serious concerns regarding the situations their jobs put them in and several had already been in minor altercations.
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I'd be very concerned.  Dealing with junkies and maternal instincts together is quite dangerous.  Not a job I would do. 
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 12:40:20 PM EST
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I'd be very concerned.  Dealing with junkies and maternal instincts together is quite dangerous.  Not a job I would do. 
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Originally Posted By Tactical_Spartan:
How are her self-defense and situational awareness skills?

I helped with a women's self defense seminar several years ago and half the class were social workers. They had serious concerns regarding the situations their jobs put them in and several had already been in minor altercations.
I'd be very concerned.  Dealing with junkies and maternal instincts together is quite dangerous.  Not a job I would do. 
They don't have maternal instincts. All about the drugs, in which case you are more likely to be confronted with lying and manipulation. I don't think it's dangerous. Just dealing with the scum of society. Just like being a prosecutor or a criminal defense lawyer.
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 12:51:46 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TradWoodsman:



Actually better than most girls her age. She carries a Glock 43, although she can't carry on the job. She is fit, trains, and is getting involved in some hand/hand self defense now. It is my understanding that they can request a police escort on any home visit.
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That's good she has some training up front. The women I worked with would utilize LEO when they knew they were going into a dangerous situation, but was impractical to have them around all the time.

She should be aware that a lot of the homes/apartments she goes into may have multiple adults living at the same residence, not just the parents and kids. Some of those adults will be in other rooms she has no line of sight or control of.
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 12:53:54 PM EST
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Originally Posted By placedesjardins:
Oh, I guess she turns over criminal activity to the local police if such activity is discovered.
I was a cop for a couple of years. Didn't see anything super awful when it came to kids in real life, other than what we learned and saw in police academy.

Oddly enough, crimes against children seems to be on the rise nationally.  Parents starving their children, keeping them in cages, etc., it's nuts.
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Is it really? Or is the reporting and publicity much higher now than 25-50-100 years ago?  I've heard plenty of stories from older members here about suffering child abuse (IMHO, the my dad whipped me with a belt stories usually cross that line). 
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 2:23:55 PM EST
OP, get your daughter familiar with http://www.freerangekids.com/ philosophy to balance out some things which shouldn't be considered criminal.
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 2:31:25 PM EST
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Originally Posted By rogueboss:
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THIS


17 years as a probation officer or Forensic Death Investigator and half my coworkers are social work degrees.

They develop a very thick skin.
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 3:28:52 PM EST
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If you think incest and heroin (or any drug use) among other parents qualifies as "bizarre," be thankful you have lived such a sheltered life.


Edit: My response isn't intended to be a criticism of you or your opinions, just an observation. I hope your daughter does well, enjoys the work (as such is possible), and isn't too proud to admit when she hits burn-out mode.
Link Posted: 6/22/2017 9:18:48 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TradWoodsman:


I believe that....and my comments about "Lazy" really aren't founded by anything other than my hate of paying a tax and seeing road workers stand around. No disrespect meant to you or anyone else trying to do a good job, handicapped by a system.
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No problem! What you don't understand, is somewhere some jackass made up a policy where X amount of employees are required to lean on a shovel during certain hours. Govt. red tape. It really exists within more than outside.
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