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Posted: 9/26/2002 6:53:39 PM EDT
My wife was out tonight getting groceries. She came home a wreck and told me what had happpened. She was in line at the store and this long-haired guy kept hitting on her and asking really strange questions. She knew something was up. She got out to her car and got in and all of a sudden he pulls his van in (backwards with his driver's side so close that she can't even open her door if she had too.) He rolls his window down and tries to reach in her window. She had her phone ready but by this time she just punches it and goes over the curb and tears up the front end of her car. ( Its not to bad...but screw the car.) What the f**k is going on out here today? Why can't the state of Michigan hurry up with ccw permits...man I am still shook up.
Link Posted: 9/26/2002 6:58:54 PM EDT
That sucks.
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Link Posted: 9/26/2002 7:00:37 PM EDT
Its a dangerous world out there. It pays to be prepared[;)]
Link Posted: 9/26/2002 7:02:45 PM EDT
They can't issue CCW's, if they did that, mr. long haired scumbag would just have taken the weapon and used it against her, plus she would have been 43 times more likely to shoot herself with it. [rolleyes] Too bad. Buy her the hottest mace you can find. It's better than nothing.
Link Posted: 9/26/2002 7:09:03 PM EDT
Illinois will probably never allow CCW with the politics of Chicago domineering the state. I don't know about MI law but IL law allows you to transport a pistol if you 1) have a valid FOID 2) have the firearm unloaded and 3) have it in a case Simple enough, get a plastic quick open case and stick it under the seat. Keep a magazine in a secure but accessible place. Even if you don't have time to grab the mag, waving a gun in someone's face will often get their attention. Although, I suppose you could inadvertently escalate the situation and then you're not prepared if you're not loaded- well, it's a thought anyway. I bought my girl two things of mace :) one for the purse and the other for the keychain.
Link Posted: 9/26/2002 7:23:55 PM EDT
Damn straight. I just wish my GF had the common sense to carry.
Originally Posted By ilikelegs: Why wait ? Have her carry one anyway.
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Link Posted: 9/26/2002 7:27:49 PM EDT
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I'm just glad to hear your wife's okay and had the sense to get the hell out of there. I hope if there's a next time she'll be armed and blow the fucker's head off!
Link Posted: 9/26/2002 7:32:33 PM EDT
Glad she made it through unharmed. Hopefully the next time that scum will pick on someone who is carrying. I hope they blow his eyeballs thru the back of his head.
Link Posted: 9/26/2002 7:35:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/26/2002 7:37:16 PM EDT by usma89]
Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. Hope your wife is o.k., might be some time for some real self defense courses i.e. krav maga type stuff
Link Posted: 9/26/2002 7:37:37 PM EDT
what city? if it's mine, i'll keep an eye out when i'm driving "the crown vic". thank god your wife is home safe with you. those fucking scum bags!! [pissed] [uzi] [shotgun] [pissed]
Link Posted: 9/26/2002 7:41:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Glock31: Buy her the hottest mace you can find. It's better than nothing.
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Exactly. Get some of that "Grizzly bear mace" [pyro]I'm sure it'd work[devil]
Link Posted: 9/26/2002 7:45:31 PM EDT
Damn dirty criminal! I would love administering an ASP shampoo to that scumbag!
Link Posted: 9/26/2002 7:46:26 PM EDT
Are you in Wayne County? Their ignorance is going to get someone killed.
Link Posted: 9/26/2002 7:48:57 PM EDT
I'm glad she's ok, the car is fixable. Tell her she did the right thing and make sure to give her extra smooches tonight.
Link Posted: 9/26/2002 7:52:47 PM EDT
A well trained dog woulda taken his arm off had he stuck it in the window...Im guessing a dog would have convinced him to choose different prey.......
Link Posted: 9/26/2002 7:57:20 PM EDT
I'm glad your wife is okay. I know your state does not allow ccw, the state of New Mexico does not allow it yet either. I still carry concealed except where it would be a felony to do so (schools,federal buildings etc) other wise it's just a misdemeanor if caught. My feeling is I will risk the misdemeanor charge to protect my family and my self. My wife will ocasionally ccw also. It's better to be judged by twelve than carried by six...
Link Posted: 9/26/2002 7:58:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/27/2002 11:58:19 AM EDT by deadeye47]
Originally Posted By legalese77: Illinois will probably never allow CCW with the politics of Chicago domineering the state. I don't know about MI law but IL law allows you to transport a pistol if you 1) have a valid FOID 2) have the firearm unloaded and 3) have it in a case Simple enough, get a plastic quick open case and stick it under the seat. Keep a magazine in a secure but accessible place. Even if you don't have time to grab the mag, waving a gun in someone's face will often get their attention. Although, I suppose you could inadvertently escalate the situation and then you're not prepared if you're not loaded- well, it's a thought anyway. I bought my girl two things of mace :) one for the purse and the other for the keychain.
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What a joke! In a case (with latches) thats under the seat with all the other crap that ends up there and then root around in the glove compartment,under the other seat,in between the seat,in the door panel,above the visor and where ever else looking for the mag, Then insert the mag the correct way and chamber a round (if its racked correctly)all while under the shear panic and terror of someone who just smashed in the window or yanked the door open! hahahaha Edited because I had several adult beverages when I wrote this.......Thank God his wife is ok and not another statistic and sorry my comment sounded cold.
Link Posted: 9/26/2002 8:04:55 PM EDT
What's more important - your wife's life or obeying some unconstitutional law? You & she have a choice - the Jews didn't. Don't let her pay the ultimate price; she's got a right to defend herself. Get her a gun, train her how to use it, and how to be discreet when carrying it. Regardless of how small, her chances in court are better than at the morgue. Besides, a private purchase (unregistered) draws the explanation - I took it away from him and defended myself!
Link Posted: 9/26/2002 8:18:33 PM EDT
Glad your wife got away only shaken up.......[left]F*ck a permit; get her a gun, and teach her how to use it![/left][left]Saturday, I'm going with a guy from work to help him pick a gun for his wife for much the same reason (only it was a co-worker of hers, and she didn't get off so lightly).
Link Posted: 9/26/2002 8:25:54 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/26/2002 9:00:28 PM EDT
I'm glad your wife wasn't afraid to punch it out of there, car be damned. Good girl! Now get her some pepper spray, and hope that CCW comes your way soon. Shame, there could've been one less criminal in the world.
Link Posted: 9/26/2002 9:23:43 PM EDT
Glad to hear she's OK. I can't beleive this shit! I Just read thru the cali .50 ban??? I can't imagine living somewhere that its illegal to ccw. I think its complete BS that you need a permit, but that's everywhere that I know of. Perhaps I can call my state congressfolks about that. Perhaps Alabama can be the ANTI-FORNIA.... Anyways glad she's OK, to those worried about legality...Go ahead and carry, put the prescribed case under the seat of the car! They won't know it didn't come from the "secured box"
Link Posted: 9/26/2002 9:46:39 PM EDT
There was a guy at the shop today picking up a small 9mm at his girlfriend's request.
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Link Posted: 9/26/2002 10:40:12 PM EDT
WTF in an FOID???
Link Posted: 9/26/2002 10:49:54 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/27/2002 5:16:36 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/27/2002 5:24:53 AM EDT
Did the cops do anything??? what did they say?
Link Posted: 9/27/2002 5:39:01 AM EDT
Thank God and her presence of mind that she's ok. That said, Move to Indiana! We can shoot back here.
Link Posted: 9/27/2002 5:43:09 AM EDT
Quetico. I am 120 west of you, then. Davenport, IA.
Link Posted: 9/27/2002 5:45:55 AM EDT
Dude, sorry to hear about the wife, glad she is okay. If you don't want her carrying, how about training with a nightstick or baton. He sticks his arm in the window, and it comes out with several broken bones. Shouldn't be too hard to find him after that.
Link Posted: 9/27/2002 5:47:57 AM EDT
Sure gald to hear your wife got away okay. I fully support CC and have one myself. But let's consider a few facts. The guy grabbed towards her window. Suppose she had a gun and shot him like some of the guys suggest. What would have happened then? The police would have arrested her, you would have had to hire an evil lawyer, and you would have spent thousands of dollars to beat the charges (hopefully successfully). Instead, she quickly drove away. She was safe, no great harm done, and she spent the night at home instead of jail. Even if she had had pepper spray, would she have been better to hang around (even for a few seconds) to get it, use it on him, and then leave? Or was the time better spent leaving as quickly as possible? Don't misunderstand, I am as big a supporter of carrying a firearm for protection as they get. But getting safely away without the hassel of hiring a lawyer should always be the preferred scenerio. Using a gun should be the very last. Your wife was doing the very best thing she could do. She is a very brave lady.
Link Posted: 9/27/2002 5:49:31 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/27/2002 6:03:58 AM EDT
hairspray. lighter. works every time.
Link Posted: 9/27/2002 6:04:26 AM EDT
MI laws on CCWs have changed. The law now is a "SHALL ISSUE" meaning the state has to prove you are unfit for the permit. The law used to be "MAY ISSUE" meaning you had to prove you needed to carry. Getting a CCW in MI is much easier. Although, it still takes roughly 4-6 months in Wayne county to get the process completed. The best part of this law change was listening to all the liberal democrats scream about "blood running in the streets." Crime has actually gone down a bit I think. -Fuji
Link Posted: 9/27/2002 6:18:34 AM EDT
Your wife did the correct thing. I have taught my wife to do the same thing at cash machines, in traffic anywere someone tries to get into the car.Try to speed off over curbs hit other cars. At the cash machine she goes to she knows to try to wipe the wall with the guy. We car buy another car, she will heal from a hitting another car. This is the same thing I will do in alot of cases. The best thing is to get distants between you and the threat. Then draw your weapon.
Link Posted: 9/27/2002 6:40:34 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Quetico: I'm 40 miles west of Shitcago. Always looking for a shootin buddy. Maybe I can join you down there for an outing sometime. Ranges up here are dropping like flies (Fox Valley, etc.)and I'm looking for some new alternatives to Buffalo Rock in Ottawa. Thanks.
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If you ever get down to the Quincy area, give me a holler... In fact, I think we'll be going to Pasa Park tomorrow for a bit of sighting in!
Link Posted: 9/27/2002 10:23:49 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By u-baddog: Your wife did the correct thing. I have taught my wife to do the same thing at cash machines, in traffic anywere someone tries to get into the car.Try to speed off over curbs hit other cars. At the cash machine she goes to she knows to try to wipe the wall with the guy. We car buy another car, she will heal from a hitting another car. This is the same thing I will do in alot of cases. The best thing is to get distants between you and the threat. Then draw your weapon.
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I can agree with that point. If she can get the hell away by all means haul ass. But if I'm in such a position...I'd at least hold the weapon on the guy until the cops can arrive if it's possible. His fault if he makes a sudden movement and gets a face full of 45... I'd tell her that if someones freaks her out in a store or anything to wait and wonder around near the front of the store until they've left, and if she's really affrain, ask the manager if they will escort her out. It sucks that we live in such a society thee days, but I generally tell her she shoudln't be going out by herself after dark anywyas, and we live in Alabama. I couldn't imagine living in places like Chicago or Philli. That guy deserves should be shot, several times. There is no excuse for terrifying a woman like that. I don't know what others think, but if I feel threatened, and someone has broken into the house, commiting armed robbery, etc... I say empty the fuckin magazine. I've heard it was better if they died cuz then they coudln't sue ya... But I feel that way out of responsibility. I know if someone commits a violent crime these days, they don't spend any time in prison....and if someone breaks into the house and I don't kill them I'd be worried he'd come back when they turm him loose next month...if that long. Not to mention the other crimes that will surely be commited. I think it'd mess with my head for a few days, but ultimately I'd come to the realization that the world is more safe without this thug in it. If the law'd do it's job it woudln't be necessary... AS for the FOID, I've never heard that a whole state had this????? GOD DAMNED COMMUNIST ASS MUTHERFUCKERS>>>>DIE GO TO HELL AND DIE!!!!!!! I was realy trying to think of something else it couldda been, guess I was just in denial. You did say state right??? Everyone in the State????? WTF I knew there were places that were this way but not a whole friggin state...
Link Posted: 9/27/2002 10:47:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/27/2002 10:52:27 AM EDT by legalese77]
Deadeye 47: It's a lot better than nothing or a stretch in county and total revocation of gun rights. Some people don't make a trashcan of their car so don't have to worry about stuff under the seat. I practice, and have identified appropriate locations for storage and have no trouble freeing my firearm in case the need arises. Although I have never had to do it under fire, I can't imagine it's a whole lot harder than pulling it from the glove box or somewhere. I'm glad I could make you laugh. Quetico 1) I apologize for any implication that IL gun laws are lax or forward thinking or enlightened. I intended none 2) I was referring only to state laws. Of course your local municipality or home rule unit may have laws which vary and are applicable. I don't believe I mentioned any specific jurisdictions other than the State of Illinois. 3) As to threatening someone with a firearm, yes it is ordinarily a felony. I would think that the common-law defense of necessity would be available, however, in the appropriate circumstances. The reasonable (objective) belief that you are threatened with great bodily harm or death would almost certainly be sufficient. 4) Please cite me to authority that a weapon must be inaccessible or only transported for particular purposes. 720 ILCS 5/24-1 is the Illinois unlawful use of firearms statute. Please note (a)(4)(i),(ii), and (iii) Here is the link: http://www.legis.state.il.us/ilcs/ch720/ch720act5articles/ch720act5Sub40.htm There are 3 exceptions applying to the transport of a weapon in a car. While one of these exceptions is inaccessability you will note that the disjunctive "or" is used rather than the conjunctive "and." That means that you need meet only 1 of the exceptions. One of the exceptions reads as follows: "are unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card" The language "other container" should be noted. It need not be only for the purpose of transporting guns home from the shop or to the range. I find no statute or case that limits the purpose for transport or requires inaccessability in addition to any exception under 720 ILCS 5/24-1(a)(4). I would ask that in the future, if you wish to impugn my credibility that you please cite with specificity any authority that you are relying on. I would also ask that on this matter you provide me with a citation to any authority supporting your position. P.S. Anyone looking for a good source of legal resources should access www.findlaw.com. The site is provided free of charge. Although perhaps not the best search engine it has a broad variety of legal resources and is quite useful.
Link Posted: 9/27/2002 11:03:07 AM EDT
Quetico: Incidentally, while stun guns are not "prohibited" they are covered by 720 ILCS 5/24-1 as well. Paragraph (2) reads: (a)A person commits the offense of unlawful use of weapons when he knowingly: 2) Carries or possesses with intent to use the same unlawfully against another, a dagger, dirk, billy, dangerous knife,razor, stiletto, broken bottle or other piece of glass, stun gun... It is also governed by paragraph (4) and is subject to PRECISELY the same regulations that the transportation of a firearm is with respect to a vehicle: (4) Carries or possesses in any vehicle or concealed on or about his person except when on his land or in his own abode or fixed place of business any pistol, revolver, stun gun or taser or other firearm, except that this subsection (a) (4) does not apply to or affect transportation of weapons that meet one of the following conditions:[exceptions listed]. Note again that the disjunctive "or" means that paragraph (4) applies to either concealed carry (which has a broad definition) OR possession in a vehicle. If I am mistaken, again, I would request a citation to valid authority for your position.
Link Posted: 9/27/2002 11:36:19 AM EDT
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BIGn: A potion of the IL FOID law is as follows: (a)(1) No person may acquire or possess any firearm within this State without having in his or her possession a Firearm Owner's Identification Card previously issued in his or her name by the Department of State Police under the provisions of this Act. (2) No person may acquire or possess firearm ammunition within this State without having in his or her possession a Firearm Owner's Identification Card previously issued in his or her name by the Department of State Police under the provisions of this Act (430 ILCS 65/2) It is true that there are a number of exceptions to the FOID requirement but none are very broad. Essentially, one must have a FOID for ammunition or firearm possession/purchase in Illiois, The FOID is a document that is issued by the Illinois State Police and requires the filling out of a form verifying that you are not a felon, etc., a $5 fee and a recent photograph cut down to fit in the little square on the form. The photo needs to be a head and shoulders photo much like a driver's license photo. You are then issued a FOID with a number and it is laminated with your photo, address, height, weight, hair and eye color. A valid foid is also required for firearm transport in a vehicle pursuant to 720 ILCS 5/24-1(a)(4)(iii) as described in my initial post(unlawful use of weapons statute). P.S. While it is true that if you kill someone that it is harder to prove that you are liable for their death, it is UNTRUE that you cannot be sued. Those with standing may have their own claims for loss of consortium, etc. (essentially meaning their family can sue you in certain cases). Apart from separate claims, the representative of their estate can sue you on the deceased person's behalf in most states. Again, while liability is MORE DIFFICULT (certainly not impossible) to prove, you can still be sued.
Link Posted: 9/28/2002 4:07:38 AM EDT
I work in hell. The city of St Louis, Mo. Concealed weapons are completely illegal there. There is a gang war kicking up again in the 'hood. Carjackings, murders etc. are up again this year. Not me of course but I have heard of others practice that old leftist tactic of "civil disobedience" I seem to remember something about nobody is obligated to obey illegal laws. I am sure there are a illegally carried guns being carried by law-abiding citizens where I work. Hmm, would be easier to post this if anonymous post were permitted. GaryM "Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get you"
Link Posted: 9/28/2002 5:01:40 AM EDT
I don't know guys, but just because all of our problems look like nails, doesn't mean the best tool is always a hammer. In the situation she was in, a 2500 pound car trumps whatever weapon she could have been carrying, I don't know how old she is, but in times of stress, we *all* revert to our training, how long was she driving a car? How much training has she had (experience?) Compared to how much range time she has had. Car wins in this situatiion every, single time. Why should she have to hang around to use the mace? Why should she have to try to find a magazine hidden in a locked box in the trunk? Why try to extend an ASP inside a car? Punch the gas and let physics do the rest. Of course if you are all wanting her to neutralize the bad guy, she could have used the weapon of choice (her car) and totally immobilized the bad guy, she might have even been able to kill him if he needed killing, but most of all she was able to survive a potentially dangerous situation, with the tools provided here. Much Kudos. Think about it guys.
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Link Posted: 9/28/2002 5:54:38 AM EDT
FUGI is right. It is quite easy to get a CCW in MI now, just need a firearms safety course (around 8 hours worth) and no criminal or mental record. They made it easier to obtain a CCW but they put alot of restrictions on where you can carry, it's still better than most states though. And by the way - ILLINOIS BLOWS!! I lived there for 30 years before I had the good sense to leave. It will be the KALI of the midwest very soon. Good Luck.
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Actually I think you did intend to impugn my credibility Quetico. You opened your post with a remark about my handle and my inadequate/incomplete knowledge of Illinois law on the subject. That suggests a criticism of me for speaking erroneously on a subject when in fact I was correct. As to the criticism about felony assault with a deadly weapon and unlawful use of a weapon by removing it from the case and brandishing it, I believe I addressed that in my last post. No, of course you can't threaten people with a gun for no reason. I imagine that such an act would be a felony anywhere in this country. However, if you are threatened with great bodily injury (a beating, sexual assault, someone else with a gun, etc.) or death, then you have a right to use deadly force to defend yourself. In such a case, the brandishing of a firearm would not be a felony but would be justified self-defense under the law. I hope that you're not suggesting that there are not appropriate circumstances for using deadly force to defend yourself. That would undermine one of the more persuasuve (IMHO) arguments for CCW or gun possession in general. Tell me, why should it make a difference where you exercise the right of self-defense? Would you argue that it's okay to draw a firearm on someone who has kicked down the front door to your home and attacked you but not someone who has attacked you while you are in your vehicle? It wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to premise the right of self-defense merely on your location. No, it is obvious that you can't draw on someone because they look at you funny, took your parking space, caused a traffic accident, etc. However, it is quite clear that under appropriate circumstances, it is no violation of the law to brandish your firearm for your (or your family's protection). The defense of those other than you or your family may also be a legitimate reason but the contours of that privilege are somewhat complicated and deadely force should be exercised only under the most extreme of circumstances. Of course, as noted by earlier posters, the best solution is to get away as quickly as possible. Barring escape, however, you are privileged to exercise self-defense in appropriate circumstances. As for "beating" the point "to death." I should think that you would not have minded. And thank you for your overly gracious apology for publicly criticizing me on my correct explication of the law. I thought you had inquired of beekeeper how you could check out that particular law. Findlaw is a terrific resource for just that. In any case, I was insulted at the allegation that, essentially, I didn't know what I was talking about and I wanted to make it quite clear that I did. Furthermore, I was not sure what you meant about stun guns not being "prohibited" I wanted to make sure you were aware of the carry laws relating to stun guns and the fact that such laws essentially mimic those relating to the carrying of firearms. Your brief comment regarding stun guns could have led some to believe that stun guns may be carried in Illinois with impunity. Just to make it clear to anyone who thought otherwise. I was not suggesting that the woman involved in the initial incident discussed by this post should have necessarily pointed a gun at or shot at the individual intimidating her. Intimidation, of course, is no reason to threaten (or use) deadly force. However, the poster expressed his concenrn about CCW permits. I was merely pointing out, that in Illinois, although we don't have CCW, a firearm can be carried in the car in the event that it is needed, contrary to what most people mistakenly believe is the case in the absence of a CCW law. I don't recall at any time suggesting that, in this particular case, that it would have necessarily been appropriate to produce a weapon. Also please note that I didn't mean for the phrase wave it in their face literally but merely as an expression. Because I thought it was implied that you would only produce the gun when appropriate under the law, no, I don't feel silly. No, I don't think you're right, Quetico. The only thing that I have learned from this thread is that one cannot post here without, in detail, explaining that which one would ordinarily think is understood, without being blasted. For instance, I could never have imagined that anyone of ordinary intelligence would have understood my post as advocating the brandishing of a firearm any time one feels like it, or for that matter, any time except when NECESSARY. Unfortunately explaining every little detail makes for incredibly long and boring posts which are a tremendous pain to type.
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1) No backpedaling. I did MEAN brandish, point, accost, assault etc. (though not necessarily "wave" in the literal sense) Also, if you can read, I never said that I didn't say (or type) "wave" But you apparently are either having a team of monkeys read for you or are reading selectively or perhaps just speak english as only a second language. I said that I didn't MEAN "wave" in the LITERAL sense. But yes, if you can read this, I did mean brandish or whatever other similar verb you would like to insert. 2) What felony from having ammunition accessible? Can't you read? You can have both the weapon and ammo accessible as long as the weapon is unloaded and in a case. Once you take the firearm out, that would ordinarily be a crime UNLESS you have a self defense claim. Is that so hard to understand? Did you not read my last post at all? 3) You absolutely touched a nerve. You flat out accused me of giving misinformation when you were the one who was misinformed. 4) I have given no advice at any time. I have at no time used the words "i advise" nor have I actively encouraged any person to take any specific action. I have done nothing more than to state the law on a subject. What any person does with the information I have provided is entirely up to them and I assume no liability for any person's actions. 5) You can brandish (and use with intent to cause severe bodily harm) all you want, when you have legal justification to do so. Your remark in your last post indicates that you yourself would do just that. In no case have I ever suggested that one can assault another with a deadly weapon without adequate legal justification. That should have been clear from the past several posts. I have done no backpedaling and ignored no issue raised. 6) Don't talk to me about ignoring issues when you yourself have done nothing but lamely attack me with what you apparently consider to be your rapier wit and oh-so-subtle sarcasm and have yet to be responsive in any meaningful way to much of what I have posted. 7) NOW you don't want to get into a pissing contest? Well you certainly have changed your tune. Instead of taking an informative or correctional tone in your first post, you took an offensive stance and in a less than polite manner attacked me and what you perceived to be my misinformation. When you were corrected you couldn't have the decency to stand corrected but could only thank me for "beating the issue to death" There's that razor sharp wit and brilliant sarcasm of yours again. 8) I suppose you'll accuse me of being an english teacher now but just in case you aren't the exalted genius that you believe yourself to be, the word "peddle" means roughly "to sell." I believe you were looking for the word "pedal" as in "backpedal." If I were an attorney, and I were giving advice I would 1) expect to be paid and 2) not dole out advice on a message board where some clarity is lost and where it is not easy to be careful with words for whatever reason (like only taking 3 minutes to post a little blurb about a commonly misunderstood IL law as I did, or the fact that this little box is so small that editing and formatting is somewhat difficult) and 3) also avoid doing so because it is apparent that there is a great capacity for other visitors to the board to misunderstand and to fail to read carefully. 4) probably be smart enough not to waste my time trying to inform people on this board (such as you who obviously already know everything and are as wise as the day is long) for free when I could make money doing it
Link Posted: 9/28/2002 8:39:29 PM EDT
Originally Posted By hielo: I don't know guys, but just because all of our problems look like nails, doesn't mean the best tool is always a hammer.
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First off, I'm glad your wife is all right. It sounds like she acted wisely in a dangerous situation. Yeah, what he said. A 2500lb car with 150hp often beats a 124grain bullet at 1100fps. That's not to say that you shouldn't carry a gun, but the gun may not be the best solution for every self-defense problem. Just imagine, he sticks his arm through the window, and she guns it, leading to many broken bones or possibly a missing arm. That's probably easier to defend then blowing him away. Here in FL, for deadly force in self-defense, you are generally supposed to retreat before you shoot, or at least show reason why you could not retreat. Thus, driving away would be the best choice. That said, there's no point making this thread a debate on state gun laws, esp. in states other then the one where this happened!
Link Posted: 9/28/2002 10:12:58 PM EDT
I am overwhelmed by your retort once again.
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