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Posted: 2/13/2011 1:43:49 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/13/2011 2:12:33 PM EST by metroplex]
Here's my opt out story:

DTW airport (Detroit Metro), usually they have 3-4 lanes running simultaneously. Today, for some odd reason they had only 1 lane open. At first, they had 2 metal detectors then they shut them down after playing around with them. As a result, they forced EVERYONE to go through the millimeter wave full body scanner. As far as I can tell, I was the only one to opt out within that window of 15-30 minutes. They took their sweet time to get to me though.

I had to go to a separate lane while everyone else got scanned (100% rate). I asked the guy to wear a new pair of gloves and they were not happy campers. He told me to get my things and stand in front of everyone to get patted down. I wasn't in a hurry and stayed neutral/calm throughout the process.

If you didn't have a lack of faith in our homeland security, you will once you encounter the TSA.I even heard other passengers pointing at me and laughing as they walked by during the pat down.

ETA:

MS PAINT!



Only one access point was open, but they let us put our stuff through the X-Ray machines in two rows.
Link Posted: 2/13/2011 1:47:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/13/2011 1:47:59 PM EST by gaspain]
its NOT millimeter wave. Those are not deployed at all. Those machines are X-RAY.
Link Posted: 2/13/2011 1:48:25 PM EST
CSB.
Link Posted: 2/13/2011 1:48:59 PM EST
Take a bunch of viagra before you go next time
Link Posted: 2/13/2011 1:51:43 PM EST
Originally Posted By gaspain:
its NOT millimeter wave. Those are not deployed at all. Those machines are X-RAY.


Actually, some of the machines are millimeter wave. But most are X-Ray.
Link Posted: 2/13/2011 1:52:43 PM EST
Those who laughed at you didn't mind getting zapped. Guess who's smart and who's dumb?
Link Posted: 2/13/2011 1:53:42 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/13/2011 1:56:15 PM EST by metroplex]
I don't know exactly what type of tech they're using, the sign says mm wave, but I just see that it spins around you to scan. I don't want any type of radiation being focused on my skin/body, especially X-Rays unless it is a medical procedure.

I am flying only because it is TDY and is part of my job. I am contemplating driving the next time as long as it is within 10-12 hours.

Yeah, I was wondering about those people that were laughing - was it smarter to get zapped and succumb to a stupid senseless security policy? I balked when they prevented our family from seeing us off at the gate, then they made us take our shoes off. I guess it is somehow funny to them that we're being encouraged/forced to get a full body X-ray before each flight.
Link Posted: 2/13/2011 1:57:03 PM EST
Originally Posted By c0t0d0s0:
Originally Posted By gaspain:
its NOT millimeter wave. Those are not deployed at all. Those machines are X-RAY.


Actually, some of the machines are millimeter wave. But most are X-Ray.


Yep, it depends on the airport. The millimeter wave machine uses non-ionizing radiation (the non-cancer radiation).
Link Posted: 2/13/2011 1:59:01 PM EST
Originally Posted By Billybob2002:
Originally Posted By c0t0d0s0:
Originally Posted By gaspain:
its NOT millimeter wave. Those are not deployed at all. Those machines are X-RAY.


Actually, some of the machines are millimeter wave. But most are X-Ray.


Yep, it depends on the airport. The millimeter wave machine uses non-ionizing radiation (the non-cancer radiation).


Yep, all it does is unzip your DNA. Much safer.
Link Posted: 2/13/2011 2:04:24 PM EST
Must have MS paint, or BS
Link Posted: 2/13/2011 2:12:10 PM EST
Originally Posted By 4v50:
Those who laughed at you didn't mind getting zapped. Guess who's smart and who's dumb?


Lots of Jews smiled as they got on the cattle cars too.....
Link Posted: 2/13/2011 2:13:38 PM EST
wow they were using the MM machine (spinning type), first Ive heard of it being used outside of testing.
Link Posted: 2/13/2011 2:18:46 PM EST
Originally Posted By TheOtherDave:
Originally Posted By 4v50:
Those who laughed at you didn't mind getting zapped. Guess who's smart and who's dumb?


Lots of Jews smiled as they got on the cattle cars too.....

Speaking of jews, do all those stars represent concentration camps in your MS Paint???
Link Posted: 2/13/2011 2:20:57 PM EST
Originally Posted By c0t0d0s0:
Originally Posted By Billybob2002:
Originally Posted By c0t0d0s0:
Originally Posted By gaspain:
its NOT millimeter wave. Those are not deployed at all. Those machines are X-RAY.


Actually, some of the machines are millimeter wave. But most are X-Ray.


Yep, it depends on the airport. The millimeter wave machine uses non-ionizing radiation (the non-cancer radiation).


Yep, all it does is unzip your DNA. Much safer.


Terahertz is different from millimeter. Unless you got proof that millimeter does in fact unzip DNA.

Link Posted: 2/13/2011 2:21:55 PM EST

Originally Posted By Razoreye:
Originally Posted By TheOtherDave:
Originally Posted By 4v50:
Those who laughed at you didn't mind getting zapped. Guess who's smart and who's dumb?


Lots of Jews smiled as they got on the cattle cars too.....

Speaking of jews, do all those stars represent concentration camps in your MS Paint???

Those stars represent the full body scanning machines. When the person steps in , they are told to keep their arms up like they're surrendering to the Gestapo, then the machine starts to spin around you and does its thing. They were making everyone go through it and they shut down all the other machines and metal detectors.
Link Posted: 2/13/2011 2:23:58 PM EST
Originally Posted By Billybob2002:
Originally Posted By c0t0d0s0:
Originally Posted By Billybob2002:
Originally Posted By c0t0d0s0:
Originally Posted By gaspain:
its NOT millimeter wave. Those are not deployed at all. Those machines are X-RAY.


Actually, some of the machines are millimeter wave. But most are X-Ray.


Yep, it depends on the airport. The millimeter wave machine uses non-ionizing radiation (the non-cancer radiation).


Yep, all it does is unzip your DNA. Much safer.


Terahertz is different from millimeter. Unless you got proof that millimeter does in fact unzip DNA.



NIH says that DNA impact can begin at 80gHz.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9285537
Link Posted: 2/13/2011 2:25:52 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/13/2011 2:26:12 PM EST by bcsoeod]
new glove request FTMFW!
Link Posted: 2/13/2011 2:34:37 PM EST
I figured you were alluding to that. I'm surprised they got one for each line. I think there's one per gate at LAS.

Originally Posted By metroplex:

Originally Posted By Razoreye:
Originally Posted By TheOtherDave:
Originally Posted By 4v50:
Those who laughed at you didn't mind getting zapped. Guess who's smart and who's dumb?


Lots of Jews smiled as they got on the cattle cars too.....

Speaking of jews, do all those stars represent concentration camps in your MS Paint???

Those stars represent the full body scanning machines. When the person steps in , they are told to keep their arms up like they're surrendering to the Gestapo, then the machine starts to spin around you and does its thing. They were making everyone go through it and they shut down all the other machines and metal detectors.


Link Posted: 2/13/2011 2:43:07 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/13/2011 2:45:21 PM EST by Billybob2002]
Originally Posted By c0t0d0s0:
Originally Posted By Billybob2002:
Originally Posted By c0t0d0s0:
Originally Posted By Billybob2002:
Originally Posted By c0t0d0s0:
Originally Posted By gaspain:
its NOT millimeter wave. Those are not deployed at all. Those machines are X-RAY.


Actually, some of the machines are millimeter wave. But most are X-Ray.


Yep, it depends on the airport. The millimeter wave machine uses non-ionizing radiation (the non-cancer radiation).


Yep, all it does is unzip your DNA. Much safer.


Terahertz is different from millimeter. Unless you got proof that millimeter does in fact unzip DNA.



NIH says that DNA impact can begin at 80gHz.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9285537


And what is the frequency for the machine? Wired.com says it operates between 24-30 GHz.

http://www.wired.co.uk/magazine/archive/2010/06/start/how-the-provision-naked-airport-scanner-works

It seems the manufacture site is having issues.
Link Posted: 2/13/2011 2:45:31 PM EST
Originally Posted By metroplex:

Originally Posted By Razoreye:
Originally Posted By TheOtherDave:
Originally Posted By 4v50:
Those who laughed at you didn't mind getting zapped. Guess who's smart and who's dumb?


Lots of Jews smiled as they got on the cattle cars too.....

Speaking of jews, do all those stars represent concentration camps in your MS Paint???

Those stars represent the full body scanning machines. When the person steps in , they are told to keep their arms up like they're surrendering to the Gestapo, then the machine starts to spin around you and does its thing. They were making everyone go through it and they shut down all the other machines and metal detectors.


They should have swastiks on them, then.

Better yet, maybe the cresent thing.

Link Posted: 2/13/2011 2:46:17 PM EST
I've been traveling the last three weeks. During that time I've had 2 xrays, 1 mmw, and 3 metal detector (magnetometer?).

My thought is that since the mob has gone back to sleep, the tsa will work hard on upgrading the whole system to xray/mmw only and ditch the old stuff asap.


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Link Posted: 2/13/2011 2:46:34 PM EST
Originally Posted By metroplex:
Here's my opt out story:

DTW airport (Detroit Metro), usually they have 3-4 lanes running simultaneously. Today, for some odd reason they had only 1 lane open. At first, they had 2 metal detectors then they shut them down after playing around with them. As a result, they forced EVERYONE to go through the millimeter wave full body scanner. As far as I can tell, I was the only one to opt out within that window of 15-30 minutes. They took their sweet time to get to me though.

I had to go to a separate lane while everyone else got scanned (100% rate). I asked the guy to wear a new pair of gloves and they were not happy campers. He told me to get my things and stand in front of everyone to get patted down. I wasn't in a hurry and stayed neutral/calm throughout the process.

If you didn't have a lack of faith in our homeland security, you will once you encounter the TSA.I even heard other passengers pointing at me and laughing as they walked by during the pat down.

ETA:

MS PAINT!

http://i325.photobucket.com/albums/k395/fusionvic/DTW.jpg

Only one access point was open, but they let us put our stuff through the X-Ray machines in two rows.


Did you know that 1 out of 30-50 people who PASS the scanners have to get a full body patdown?
Link Posted: 2/13/2011 2:53:24 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/13/2011 3:01:32 PM EST by c0t0d0s0]
Originally Posted By Billybob2002:
Originally Posted By c0t0d0s0:
Originally Posted By Billybob2002:
Originally Posted By c0t0d0s0:
Originally Posted By Billybob2002:
Originally Posted By c0t0d0s0:
Originally Posted By gaspain:
its NOT millimeter wave. Those are not deployed at all. Those machines are X-RAY.


Actually, some of the machines are millimeter wave. But most are X-Ray.


Yep, it depends on the airport. The millimeter wave machine uses non-ionizing radiation (the non-cancer radiation).


Yep, all it does is unzip your DNA. Much safer.


Terahertz is different from millimeter. Unless you got proof that millimeter does in fact unzip DNA.



NIH says that DNA impact can begin at 80gHz.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9285537


And what is the frequency for the machine? Wired.com says it operates between 24-30 GHz.

http://www.wired.co.uk/magazine/archive/2010/06/start/how-the-provision-naked-airport-scanner-works

It seems the manufacture site is having issues.


seems to me to be close enough that they should have gone through something like FDA trials sothat we would know they were safe then.
And, since L-3 doesn't even list the ProVision scanner on their website it is hard to verify what freq it runs at.
Link Posted: 2/13/2011 3:05:38 PM EST
I think it seems rather convenient the FDA trials, safety testing, and other important specifications aren't readily available as they are manufactured by major Defense contractors and deployed rapidly by DHS/TSA.
Link Posted: 2/13/2011 3:09:32 PM EST
Originally Posted By c0t0d0s0:
Originally Posted By Billybob2002:
Originally Posted By c0t0d0s0:
Originally Posted By Billybob2002:
Originally Posted By c0t0d0s0:
Originally Posted By Billybob2002:
Originally Posted By c0t0d0s0:
Originally Posted By gaspain:
its NOT millimeter wave. Those are not deployed at all. Those machines are X-RAY.


Actually, some of the machines are millimeter wave. But most are X-Ray.


Yep, it depends on the airport. The millimeter wave machine uses non-ionizing radiation (the non-cancer radiation).


Yep, all it does is unzip your DNA. Much safer.


Terahertz is different from millimeter. Unless you got proof that millimeter does in fact unzip DNA.



NIH says that DNA impact can begin at 80gHz.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9285537


And what is the frequency for the machine? Wired.com says it operates between 24-30 GHz.

http://www.wired.co.uk/magazine/archive/2010/06/start/how-the-provision-naked-airport-scanner-works

It seems the manufacture site is having issues.


seems to me to be close enough that they should have gone through something like FDA trials sothat we would know they were safe then.
And, since L-3 doesn't even list the ProVision scanner on their website it is hard to verify what freq it runs at.


o rly?

http://www.l-3com.com/products-services/productservice.aspx?id=866&type=d
Link Posted: 2/13/2011 3:13:49 PM EST
Originally Posted By 7Six2Fifty4R:
Originally Posted By c0t0d0s0:
Originally Posted By Billybob2002:
Originally Posted By c0t0d0s0:
Originally Posted By Billybob2002:
Originally Posted By c0t0d0s0:
Originally Posted By Billybob2002:
Originally Posted By c0t0d0s0:
Originally Posted By gaspain:
its NOT millimeter wave. Those are not deployed at all. Those machines are X-RAY.


Actually, some of the machines are millimeter wave. But most are X-Ray.


Yep, it depends on the airport. The millimeter wave machine uses non-ionizing radiation (the non-cancer radiation).


Yep, all it does is unzip your DNA. Much safer.


Terahertz is different from millimeter. Unless you got proof that millimeter does in fact unzip DNA.



NIH says that DNA impact can begin at 80gHz.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9285537


And what is the frequency for the machine? Wired.com says it operates between 24-30 GHz.

http://www.wired.co.uk/magazine/archive/2010/06/start/how-the-provision-naked-airport-scanner-works

It seems the manufacture site is having issues.


seems to me to be close enough that they should have gone through something like FDA trials sothat we would know they were safe then.
And, since L-3 doesn't even list the ProVision scanner on their website it is hard to verify what freq it runs at.


o rly?

http://www.l-3com.com/products-services/productservice.aspx?id=866&type=d


Thank you. I searched their product listing for ProVision and MMW and didn't see anything. So, since you are so good at finding things, could you point out where L-3 says what frequency the scanner operates at?
Link Posted: 2/13/2011 3:18:47 PM EST
http://www.sds.l-3com.com/pdf/ProVision_FactSheet_Aug2010.pdf
http://www.sds.l-3com.com/aboutsds/inquiries.htm


nope cant find that specifically... so yeah. i did try but meh. also ive never seen the xray ones; just the millimeter wave ones.

Link Posted: 2/13/2011 3:25:16 PM EST
Sheeple will laugh untill they figure out they are coralled and the end is near. Then they will panic , piss themselves and die like cattle.
Link Posted: 2/13/2011 3:27:30 PM EST
Originally Posted By Razoreye:
I figured you were alluding to that. I'm surprised they got one for each line. I think there's one per gate at LAS.

Dearbornistan is just down the street, just sayin'
Link Posted: 2/13/2011 3:27:30 PM EST
I opted out once. Pretty much the same thing happened. I spent a few minutes waiting and frankly the TSA agents seemed
to be a bit unprepared for someone actually opting out.

I had another trip to take just over a week ago. This time, metal detector and no problems. Due to time constraints I'd decided
that taking the scanner would have been OK if it had been my choice. I just didn't have enough time left to board the plane for
me to take the risk.


CJ
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 2:26:35 AM EST
It looks like my suspicions are correct, TSA wasn't telling the truth about the radiation:

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/03/tsa-radiation-test-bungling/
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 3:01:11 AM EST
I recall a time when the Germans laughed at their Jewish citizens while being prodded and beaten.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 3:27:36 AM EST






Link Posted: 3/16/2011 3:30:34 AM EST
Reason 9075 why I'm never flying.
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