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Posted: 1/21/2010 8:25:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Blitz_308]
Many of you have asked me some great questions concerning the incident I was in last October (2009) and expressed interest in the whole story.  Well, after talking to the prosecuting attorney, I was told that for interviews and such, just stick to the facts, so here goes...This is a long read so bear with me please.
Back story:  Several friends and I meet on Tues nights at the office of a few lawyers here in town for the purpose of social interaction, maybe have a couple drinks, a good cigar and good conversation.  I had missed the last couple meetings leading up to the one on Oct. 13 but promised the guy who organized the group that I would be showing up for this one.  Well, I forgot and was watching TV while the wife was helping one of my sons with a science project on electricity and circuits.  They couldn't get the thing to work so I got volunteered to go to Wal-Mart to get a new light bulb and battery.
On the way to Wal-Mart, I realized/remembered that I had removed my gun/holster earlier that day to go to the gym at lunch time and laid it on my desk.  I debated with myself for a minute about whether or not to spend the extra 10 minutes to run down to the office to arm myself against the masses there at 9:30 at night.  Common sense prevailed and I made the extra stop and was on my way.  (Crucial turning point #1 of the night)
I got to Wally World and had just collected my items when the cell phone rang.  For whatever reason, the first thing that popped in my head was "Oh shit, this is Tues night and I bet it's my buddy calling me to see where I'm at.  It turned out that it was my wife who told me that they had gotten the current bulb and battery to work and that I didn't need to bring new ones home.  I told her about having forgotten my promise to join up with the Tues night guys and checked with her to make sure it was ok if I just headed on over there.  She was fine with it and so I put my stuff back and headed over to the buddy's office.
When I got to the lawyer's office, there were five of my friends outside having a drink, enjoying their cigars and talking in the carport area on the left side of the building.  I said hi to them and asked where Brian was.  They said he was inside in his office, so I went in and we bull shitted for the next half hour or so.  We decided that we should probably go back out and join the rest of the guys and headed out the door.
We were out there for maybe a minute when a guy walked up to our group after appearing from around the corner of the building (not uncommon to have the neighbors come by and chat as there are also houses and apartments in this area) wearing a hooded sweatshirt with the hood up and drawn tight and a scarf or balaclava covering everything but his eyes.  Not too uncommon, as it was rather cold and rainy that night.  What was uncommon was that he was holding a stainless steel revolver at his side.  At first I thought it was a joke that one of the guys had set up.  I asked "Can we help you?"  I can't remember exactly what he said as he raised the revolver up and pointed it at the group of us, except for him telling us to drop whatever we had in our hands and something along the lines of "this is a robbery."  He told us that we were going inside and that if any of us made a move, he would shoot us.  I was the last person to walk up the two steps of the side door into the conference room and evidently wasn't moving fast enough for him.  He put the muzzle in my back and was pushing me forward telling me to hurry up.  In my infinite wisdom, I turned my head toward him and told him to quit shoving me, that I couldn't go any faster than the guy in front of me.  In my head, almost like a mantra, there was an alarm going off saying "This is why you carry, this is why you carry this is why you carry."
Once we were inside, he told us to get on the floor face down, on the other side of the conference table.  When he made us lay down, I picked the point farthest away from him, hoping to buy some time before he got to me. Once he had us down, he instructed us to take out our wallets, watches, jewelry, etc. He was distracted for just a couple seconds when he was getting one of our guys up to carry the plastic bag. Under the guise of getting my wallet out, I very carefully, while watching him the whole time, removed the 1911 from the IWB holster and hid it under my chest.  He was keeping a close watch on us almost the entire time and always had the revolver either on someone or pointed directly at someone.  I was watching for it and I really did not have an earlier opportunity for a shot without risking my friends' lives further or creating a hostage situation, which I would have been ill equipped to handle.
For whatever reason, maybe because I mouthed off to him earlier, I don't know, but he only collected from one or two people before walking back to where I was.  He saw that I did not have a wallet or anything waiting for him and while standing over me, pulled my leather jacket and shirt up to take my wallet from my back pocket.  That is when he found my Milt Sparks IWB holster, now devoid of a firearm.  He said something to the effect of "Well well well, what do we have here?  Where's the gun?"  I told him I didn't have it on me.  He repeated the question and said that I wouldn't have a holster if there was no gun.  I swore that I didn't have it on me and that I'd left it in my vehicle since I might have a drink or two while I was there.  He didn't believe me and told me to get up.  He decided to assist me by grabbing onto my jacket with his left hand and pull me up.  As I pushed myself up as well, I slid my hands under my chest to grab my pistol.
When he pulled me up, he was at my 5 O'clock position. I was still trying to keep him from seeing my gun until I was able to turn into him, so when I came up, I basically had my right hand (holding the pistol) tight to my stomach/chest with the muzzle pointed in the direction of my left shoulder. I don't know why I did that, except to conceal it and maybe so he couldn't take it away from me. I started turning to my right, into him, flipping the safety at some point along the way. He either saw the gun or heard the safety click as I had turned into him enough for him to be at my 3 O'clock and shoved his revolver inside my open jacket against my stomach and fired the first round. Luckily, his angle was off and it only grazed my stomach. Unluckily, I had my left hand tucked against my left side and the round passed through my palm and out the base of my thumb at my wrist.
I continued turning toward him while lowering my pistol to return fire, which evidently put the right hand directly in the line of fire as he squeezed off another round. I can only assume that my hand blocked the shot from hitting my stomach or chest as we were practically face to face at that point. It took me just a second to recover and he started retreating toward the door, backing away from me and shooting. I got two shots off as he was backing away, both missing him. I had the little problem with the next round not going off, thinking I had a jam, I ducked behind the table to clear the gun and yelled for everyone to stay down.  I looked down and saw how bad my hands were as I cleared the round out, and stood back up to continue fire. (Looking back on it, I think I realized that I wasn't getting a good grip due to the screwed up hand and neglected to engage the grip safety)  He had his back to the door by now and we exchanged a couple more shots (which is when I scored my hit and near miss) until his revolver hit on spent rounds. I will NEVER forget that. There were three clicks. He realized he was out of ammo and was out the door before I could get another shot off. Even in the heat of the moment, I did not attempt to shoot him in the back or pursue him.
I don't know how I retained the gun after being hit in the strong hand, just as I don't know how I made my hands work to clear the round. I just did. It was a combination of adrenaline, survival instinct and the grace of God.  I was completely on automatic. The threat was still there and I couldn't stop until it was gone. One of the other guys finally jumped up after the BG went out the door and locked it so he couldn't reload and come back in. I remember seeing him lock the door and finally sat down on the floor, laid my gun down and started looking at the blood pouring out of my hands. A few of the other guys came over to help me and apply pressure to the wounds while another called 911. I made them repeat to me a few times that everyone else was ok and that no one else had been hit. One of the guys that had been there, told me that it was almost scary how lucid and calm that I stayed the entire time while we waited for the ambulance to arrive.  It was also discovered at this time that I'd been shot right above my left pectoral muscle.  I don't even recall when that happened.
I'm probably repeating myself from the other posts I've made, in saying this, but it was very surreal and real all rolled into one at the same time. In reality, the whole exchange from the first shot probably didn't last more than 30-40 seconds. I'm only saying that long because of the time I took clearing the chamber. It may have still been less than that. From start to finish, meaning when the guy showed up outside to the time when he left took almost exactly 7 minutes.
There you have it.  If you've got questions, I'll do my best to answer them.  I didn't post this to be a look at me or I'm a bad ass or anything else.  I just thought that if anyone could benefit in even the smallest way from my incident and possibly help, then I would like to turn a shitty encounter into a positive thing.
God Bless you all and thank you so much for the support that you've shown me and my family since this first happened.  I couldn't ask for a better group of people to call my extended family and friends.
ETA Link to original thread with pics, etc.  http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=984615
Links to pics for those without archive abilities per request.







7-21-10 Edit.  I guess I should put updates here, as well when I bump this so people don't have to go looking for them.  

Council status hearing occurred on 7-6-10 and the trial has been set for 9-13-10.

Also found out from one of the other people there that they heard me flip safety as I was drawing/hiding the gun under me.
8/19/10 Update.  Received subpoena for court on 9/13/2010.
9/9/10 Update.  Trial postponed/continued AGAIN until 12/13/10.
11-27-10 Update.  Another postponement for the trial.  Now 1-10-11.  Sigh....
1-11-11 Update - Criminal Trial over today.  
1st Degree Assault - GUILTY
1st Degree Robbery - GUILTY
1st Degree Armed Criminal Action - GUILTY

Unlawful Possession of a Firearm (Felon in Possession) - GUILTY
It took the jury less than an hour of deliberation (and that included their time to eat lunch) to bring back a Guilty verdict on all four counts.  Huge weight lifted off my shoulders.
The defense has 25 days to appeal the trial on technicalities and at that time (assuming the request is denied) a sentencing hearing will be set.  Looks like approximately 45 days from now.
4-18-11 Update.  Sentencing hearing set for morning of May 4.
5-4-11 Update  

First count- Life (30) years

Second count - 25 years

Third count - 10 years

Fourth count - 10 years

75 years total and here's the thing, the sentences are to run CONSECUTIVELY.  

Happy 5 year anniversary to me.  


Still working on getting bad guy's revolver.

Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:29:55 PM EDT
Thanks for sharing...Im pleased you are still alive to share the experience
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:30:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: orangelo] [#2]

I'm never going anywhere without my CCW now. All it takes is 7 minutes for some evil SOB to ruin/end your life.

Did they catch the scumbag? How bad did you hit him?
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:32:40 PM EDT


i was hoping you were going to type out an AAR on this

Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:33:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By orangelo:

I'm never going anywhere without my CCW now. All it takes is 7 minutes for some evil SOB to ruin/end your life.

Did they catch the scumbag? How bad did you hit him?

Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:33:12 PM EDT
Hmmm..... I've wondered about a 1911 style grip safety being an issue in case if a hand injury....

Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:34:35 PM EDT
Damn, glad you are ok.  Thanks for sharing that.
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:37:00 PM EDT
thanks for sharing.
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:37:14 PM EDT
God was looking out for you that night.

Glad you and your friends are alive.  How are the hands healing?
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:37:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1911SFOREVER] [#9]
A lot to learn from this incident.

1.  Carry your weapon.  End of discussion.

2.  That blazing fast drawstroke we all practice may not be game winner we think.  The surreptitous "unholstering" the defender used in this instance while the criminal was otherwise distracted allowed him to employ his weapon to advantage.  We also need to perform this act from something less than our perfectly rehearsed firing line stance.

3.  The defender used deception to advantage.  He provided a plausible explanation for having an empty holster and gave the POS a moment's doubt...which was enough.

4.  Few practice shooting with one hand....fewer still practice reducing malfunctions that way.

5.  It's always easy to say when you'll "Fo"...right up until someone is threatening your friends with a weapon.

6.  The defender kept a clear head throughout and DID NOT QUIT!

Excellent report on a very manly piece of work.  The defender put into practice nearly all of Cooper's "Principles of Self Defense".

Well done,stud!
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:37:17 PM EDT
Originally Posted By orangelo:

I'm never going anywhere without my CCW now. All it takes is 7 minutes for some evil SOB to ruin/end your life.

Did they catch the scumbag? How bad did you hit him?

This would lead me to believe that they did

Well, after talking to the prosecuting attorney
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:37:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Blitz_308:
 I didn't post this to be a look at me or I'm a bad ass or anything else.

Intentions notwithstanding, you performed very admirably, and I'd consider you to be a certified badass
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:37:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By GrahamD:
Hmmm..... I've wondered about a 1911 style grip safety being an issue in case if a hand injury....

Glock 19.
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:37:56 PM EDT
Glad you are recovering, good job under pressure.
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:38:18 PM EDT
Thanks for sharing. How is your recovery coming along?
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:38:53 PM EDT
Thanks for sharing, glad you are here.
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:39:22 PM EDT
I can't imagine waiting to the point that your holster is discovered. But I wasn't there.
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:39:37 PM EDT
Thank you for taking the time to share.   It might help everyone realise that shit can go bad anytime really fast and you need to always be ready.
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:40:14 PM EDT
Nice!  I only wish you would have had the chance to plug him square in the chest before he shot you.
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:40:15 PM EDT
I've followed your other two threads and just wanted to say that I'm glad you made the choice to not be a victim.  Good job on surviving.
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:40:54 PM EDT
Thanks for sharing.
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:41:39 PM EDT
Just reading your account of events made my adreniline rush a bit as I recalled my similar (but WAY less dangerous encounter). Glad your OK, and I hope you recover well, both physically and psychologically (I had trouble sleeping for the first month or so, but my bad guy lived across the street, so YMMV...).
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:42:44 PM EDT
Quick question - Do you think a martial arts gun defense training would have helped at all in your scenario?
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:43:02 PM EDT
wow very cool, thanks for sharing!

+1 on knowing status of bad guy
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:43:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: G-lock] [#24]
So was the bad guy caught, prosecuted or expired??
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:43:30 PM EDT
Glad you're still here to tell the story brother.  Well done!
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:43:52 PM EDT

hope you are getting better!
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:45:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Trumpet:
Originally Posted By orangelo:

I'm never going anywhere without my CCW now. All it takes is 7 minutes for some evil SOB to ruin/end your life.

Did they catch the scumbag? How bad did you hit him?

Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:45:13 PM EDT
Good read.  I'm glad you came out of it alive.  I'll restrain from armchair QBing since you were the one who had to deal with it and not I.  A good lesson for us all.
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:45:57 PM EDT
When was this and how are you doing?
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:45:57 PM EDT
Thank you for the AAR. It is very good information for all CCW holders to be aware of, especially how it relates to training and the specific issue here with the 1911 grip safety and a wounded hand. You did good.
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:47:42 PM EDT
Thanks for sharing your story.
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:48:02 PM EDT

Hard to imagine performing much better than you did.

I'm glad you are around to tell the story, one that I think holds lessons for us all.
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:48:57 PM EDT
Glad you're ok. Next time, would you wait again or just pull your pistol out whenever you saw another gun?

Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:49:26 PM EDT
Do you feel that since your hand was injured to the point that it hindered your ability to depress the beavertail safety that you are second guessing carrying a 1911 or a gun with a grip safety?

I know you've Monday morning QB'd the incident to death but, is there any point where you believe that you could have done something different that would have resulted in a more favorable outcome or something that you've learned from this experience that would have lead you to doing something different?
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:50:19 PM EDT
Good job.  Thank you for sharing your story.
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:50:52 PM EDT
Wow, thank you for posting this.
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:51:39 PM EDT
Wow.  I'm glad you made it out alive.
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:51:58 PM EDT
God bless, im glad you came through alright.
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:52:43 PM EDT
Hopefully you're making a speedy recovery!
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:52:53 PM EDT
Holy shit. Did they ever catch the guy?
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:53:13 PM EDT
Wow..If you had thrown your wallet or watch out in his demands you might have had him dead right there..

It sounds like a sticky situation and I am glad you got out of it alive..as for the fucker I hope he loses his hand and
gets raped in prison for the rest of his days..

Take it easy and get well soon!
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:53:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AddictedToGuns] [#42]
Wow. First off. Good job man. You def. saved lives. Second off. How are you healing up? Third off. I learned a lot from reading that. You were shot multiple times, yet you were able to stay in the fight! TRAIN TRAIN TRAIN. Hats off to you! Best of luck!!!
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:54:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: odontia32m] [#43]
The wife and I prayed for you when your Brother posted this.  How is your hand and is he in jail.

I have to ask was his Mom on TV with a community organizer saying he was a good Christian boy?  

I always carry and this is why.  His intent may never be known if he intended to kill all of you.

Thank you for sharing.
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:55:36 PM EDT
This is why we carry.  God bless the 2nd Amendment.
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:55:40 PM EDT
Originally Posted By GUNSFORHIRE:
Wow..If you had thrown your wallet or watch out in his demands you might have had him dead right there..


I would have misdirected with the watch or wallet and drawn.   This is not to say or hint anything toward the OP, I just know myself and that's when I woulda gone for it.
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:57:19 PM EDT

I cant wait to get my CCW

Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:58:11 PM EDT
I may be alittle superstitous but, never change your plans once you make them. I've found that somehow everytime I change the plans for the night, something goes wrong.

I'm glad you are still alive.

Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:58:41 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Blitz_308:
Many of you have asked me some great questions concerning the incident I was in last October and expressed interest in the whole story.  Well, after talking to the prosecuting attorney, I was told that for interviews and such, just stick to the facts, so here goes...This is a long read so bear with me please.


I'm glad you are okay and none of your friends were hurt and thank you for sharing your story.
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:58:53 PM EDT
You = Sheepdog.

Too bad it couldn't have been like, "yo homey, is that my briefcase?"
Link Posted: 1/21/2010 8:59:25 PM EDT
IN on one.
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