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Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:17:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By IH1026:

I grew up on raw milk.. because that's what we had.  Landlords sold their cows and we had to buy pasteurized milk and we all got sick from it.  
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Basically this. As a kid in Switzerland we drank raw milk. Came stateside to pasteurized milk we all could not handle it
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:19:44 PM EDT
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Do you think a high percentage of people on this forum shot themselves by accident? Drinking raw milk is a known risk that cannot be mitigated by training. Unless you see a sick animal, you cannot tell if the milk is contaminated or not.
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What illnesses are spread by raw milk ?

This is your chance to sell me on not drinking milk(I pretty much only use it in cereal and in my coffee sometimes)

Is yogurt and butter made from the raw milk dangerous as well?
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:26:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bat15:


Did I say to ban raw milk?

People don’t get sick from eating foods with a lot of sugar in them. Eating too much may make them fat and lead to other medical issues. Eating candy, cake etc in moderation does not make you sick. About 20 years ago, some companies wanted to add a surcharge to health insurance if you were grossly overweight. At the time it was not allowed but I think it should be allowed just like a smoking surcharge.
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What is your vested interest in what foods someone else consumes and why do you feel entitled to have a say in the matter?  The op had absolutely NO request from you nor anyone else for an opinion on if you thought it was a good idea.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:27:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DFARM:

What illnesses are spread by raw milk ?

This is your chance to sell me on not drinking milk(I pretty much only use it in cereal and in my coffee sometimes)

Is yogurt and butter made from the raw milk dangerous as well?
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Originally Posted By DFARM:
Originally Posted By Bat15:


Do you think a high percentage of people on this forum shot themselves by accident? Drinking raw milk is a known risk that cannot be mitigated by training. Unless you see a sick animal, you cannot tell if the milk is contaminated or not.

What illnesses are spread by raw milk ?

This is your chance to sell me on not drinking milk(I pretty much only use it in cereal and in my coffee sometimes)

Is yogurt and butter made from the raw milk dangerous as well?


Not if they are made from pasteurized milk.

Why pasteurize milk?



Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:27:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By wakeboarder:
Raw milk is drank by hippies and communists
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no
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:28:02 PM EDT
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PM me your address and I'll send you some of my feces.  Just mix it with 1st world milk to create "raw milk".

I just ask that you cover shipping.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:29:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bat15:


Do you think a high percentage of people on this forum shot themselves by accident? Drinking raw milk is a known risk that cannot be mitigated by training. Unless you see a sick animal, you cannot tell if the milk is contaminated or not.
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Versus those who've been sickened or killed by drinking raw milk? Probably. You don't exactly have to shoot yourself. Go to the range and some random asshole who doesn't understand the meaning of muzzle discipline puts a bullet in you? That could have easily been prevented if you just listened to your doctor and didn't own firearms. Then you wouldn't have went to the range to get shot. I don't think it's liberal propaganda that people who own firearms have a higher likelihood of getting shot. It's just a fact of life we accept and assume that insurance will pay for it should the worst happen.

A choice you willingly make knowing others may pay for it is a choice you willingly make. What do percentages even have to do with it? Is a 5% chance of me having to pay for your injury better than a 25% chance? Why am I having to pay for it at all?

You can just as well take a nice safe office job, stay home at all other times, have your shopping delivered directly to your door and anything you chose to do beyond that is a risk you willingly accept to pay for in full.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:30:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TAG_Match:


What is your vested interest in what foods someone else consumes and why do you feel entitled to have a say in the matter?  The op had absolutely NO request from you nor anyone else for an opinion on if you thought it was a good idea.
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Originally Posted By Bat15:


Did I say to ban raw milk?

People don’t get sick from eating foods with a lot of sugar in them. Eating too much may make them fat and lead to other medical issues. Eating candy, cake etc in moderation does not make you sick. About 20 years ago, some companies wanted to add a surcharge to health insurance if you were grossly overweight. At the time it was not allowed but I think it should be allowed just like a smoking surcharge.


What is your vested interest in what foods someone else consumes and why do you feel entitled to have a say in the matter?  The op had absolutely NO request from you nor anyone else for an opinion on if you thought it was a good idea.


I already said I don’t care what he does. I just don’t want to pay for his reckless behavior. My vested interest is saving my money. If you want to pay for treating illnesses caused by poor sanitary practices, that is fine with me.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:31:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bat15:




People who are grossly fat because of overeating and or lack of exercise should pay higher premiums. Health insurance for people over 65 was more expensive. The higher cost was addressed with Medicare. I guess you think older people should be punished because they are old.
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No, I don’t think you should be punished because you’re old.  I don’t give a fuck if you are fat, unvaccinated, or drink raw milk.  Because it’s none of my business and I’m not an overbearing faggot that feels the need to tell someone what they should eat or drink.  Nor do I have any use for prescribing my self imposed economic consequences on them for having a different opinion than I.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:35:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TAG_Match:


Cheese making and cream for starters.  Make you some butter with regular milk.  But I understand why you insist on the Homo D.
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Originally Posted By Ranxerox911:
What magical properties does unpasteurized milk possess?


Cheese making and cream for starters.  Make you some butter with regular milk.  But I understand why you insist on the Homo D.

What kind of dumbass prick doesn't know the difference between pasteurization and homogenization?
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:35:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bat15:




People who are grossly fat because of overeating and or lack of exercise should pay higher premiums. Health insurance for people over 65 was more expensive. The higher cost was addressed with Medicare. I guess you think older people should be punished because they are old.
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So you are going to complain about not wanting to cover other peoples medical expenses and advocate for Medicare in the same thread?
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:36:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Panta_Rei:


Might be surprised how many 2A BAMFer don't look or think like you.
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Yeah we have all seen freefallret's post retirement hippy pics. It is sad.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:38:54 PM EDT
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Raw milk was all I had the 1st 21 years of my life. All good.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:43:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Riply21:
So you are going to complain about not wanting to cover other peoples medical expenses and advocate for Medicare in the same thread?
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Originally Posted By Riply21:
Originally Posted By Bat15:




People who are grossly fat because of overeating and or lack of exercise should pay higher premiums. Health insurance for people over 65 was more expensive. The higher cost was addressed with Medicare. I guess you think older people should be punished because they are old.
So you are going to complain about not wanting to cover other peoples medical expenses and advocate for Medicare in the same thread?


Is English your native language? Being overweight because of overeating and lack of exercise is a behavioral problem. Everyone gets older u til they die. Most people in decent health don’t kill themselves when they become xx years old. Can you see the difference?
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:43:35 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Ranxerox911:

What kind of dumbass prick doesn't know the difference between pasteurization and homogenization?
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I absolutely know the difference, but I have never seen a carton of pasteurized raw milk fortified with vitamin D in a grocery store, have you?  How would you prefer I differentiate a jig of milk in a store vs a bucket of milk fresh off the titt for you in the future?
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:44:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By wakeboarder:
Raw milk is drank by hippies and communists
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lol. City boy.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:45:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JoinDatePostCount:


Oh your trolling is just getting sad and lazy

STEP THAT SHIT UP
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Originally Posted By JoinDatePostCount:
Originally Posted By wakeboarder:
Raw milk is drank by hippies and communists


Oh your trolling is just getting sad and lazy

STEP THAT SHIT UP

I disagree

His simple statement has set off a shitload of posters in this thread
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:47:39 PM EDT
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When I was a kid we drank whole milk, unprocessed, unhomogenized, all the cream on top.

Man, I couldn’t wait for my chances to get that delicious store bought milk with no clots or chunks.

Delicious.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:47:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bat15:


Is English your native language? Being overweight because of overeating and lack of exercise is a behavioral problem. Everyone gets older u til they die. Most people in decent health don't kill themselves when they become xx years old. Can you see the difference?
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How much socialism is ok? If their healthcare cost to much they should have raised children to assist them with the cost in their waning years.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:48:07 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bat15:


I already said I don’t care what he does. I just don’t want to pay for his reckless behavior. My vested interest is saving my money. If you want to pay for treating illnesses caused by poor sanitary practices, that is fine with me.
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I don’t care for having to pay for monkey pox or AIDS treatments.  So get back to me when the faggot surcharges start piling up on the Medicare statements.  Hypothetically of course.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:49:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By wakeboarder:
Raw milk is drank by hippies and communists
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“I’m from the government and I’m here to help.”
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:52:36 PM EDT
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Never had a problem with raw milk.  The milk pitcher in the fridge was filled from the bulk tank.

As long as the farm has good milking procedures, clean equipment properly and chill the milk, there isn't a problem.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:56:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By tcfla:
Never had a problem with raw milk.  The milk pitcher in the fridge was filled from the bulk tank.

As long as the farm has good milking procedures, clean equipment properly and chill the milk, there isn't a problem.
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Noooooo there is no way that higher sanitization standards that became commonplace the same time as pasteurization could have any affect
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:57:49 PM EDT
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I’d definitely buy raw milk from a small farm if I knew the farmers and how they operated. In today’s commercialized farming world, I wouldn’t touch it unless I’ve been on the farm myself
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 10:00:20 PM EDT
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None of what you just posted is at all true.  You should feel bad and the world should mock you.
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No fucking way I'm drinking raw milk.

It's pasteurized for a reason it can kill you. Hell dairies have data that calf heath improved when fed waste milk that was pasteurized on farm in small batch pasteurized.



None of what you just posted is at all true.  You should feel bad and the world should mock you.



What?  Dairies do indeed use a pasteurizers to improve calf health. Raw milk could kill you but most modern dairies are so clean that is highly unlikely that raw milk will kill you.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 10:00:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By xd675:

If people want to sell it they should be able too.

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worth repeating
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 10:01:00 PM EDT
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The 87th Tender Tummies Brigade have all reported for doody in this thread.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 10:03:02 PM EDT
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Just started making cheese. Can't get raw milk in Ohio.
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You can if you know the right people but you are right not legal for sale.  You can do this

"raw milk can be obtained for personal use through cow-share or herd-share programs. These programs allow individuals to own a share of a cow or herd and receive a portion of the milk produced."
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 10:07:12 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Riply21:
Noooooo there is no way that higher sanitization standards that became commonplace the same time as pasteurization could have any affect
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Originally Posted By Riply21:
Originally Posted By tcfla:
Never had a problem with raw milk.  The milk pitcher in the fridge was filled from the bulk tank.

As long as the farm has good milking procedures, clean equipment properly and chill the milk, there isn't a problem.
Noooooo there is no way that higher sanitization standards that became commonplace the same time as pasteurization could have any affect


I know, right?
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 10:07:21 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By fttam:

I disagree

His simple statement has set off a shitload of posters in this thread
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Originally Posted By fttam:
Originally Posted By JoinDatePostCount:
Originally Posted By wakeboarder:
Raw milk is drank by hippies and communists

Oh your trolling is just getting sad and lazy

STEP THAT SHIT UP

I disagree

His simple statement has set off a shitload of posters in this thread

wakeboarder's comment isn't incorrect, rather it's an incomplete list.  Hippies and Communists probably do drink raw milk, but so do a lot of other people.  Drinking raw milk isn't evidence that a person is of any particular lifestyle or political belief system.

California is one of a handful of states where you can walk into a retail store and buy raw milk and raw milk products off the shelf (just like New Hampshire).  In my area you can buy it at hippie places like Jimbo's, Whole Foods, or Windmill Farms.  I don't think Trader Joe's sells it.  We can also buy it directly from farms, feed it to animals, etc. like most states.  The Raw Milk Movement is strong here, but I don't personally know anyone who uses it.



Originally Posted By tcfla:

...As long as the farm has good milking procedures, clean equipment properly and chill the milk, there isn't a problem.

I think this is the most intelligent comment so far in the thread.

Link Posted: 5/15/2024 10:15:09 PM EDT
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Doesn't matter to me--I haven't drunk milk in 25 years, ever since I figured out as a teenager that it was causing all my acne.

Never served milk to my kids, even as babies. The most beneficial part of milk is the fat--just eat butter, cheese, etc. and skip all the sugar in milk.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 10:15:25 PM EDT
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Spent enough time on the family dairy farm when I was kid to know there’s no way i hell I’m drinking unpasteurized milk.
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Originally Posted By California_Kid:

I'm curious about that too, but it appears to be Serious Business(TM) for some people.
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Originally Posted By Ranxerox911:
What magical properties does unpasteurized milk possess?

I'm curious about that too, but it appears to be Serious Business(TM) for some people.


Because someone told them not to.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 10:17:57 PM EDT
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Inject raw milk and pick up every heavy thing in sight. Repeatedly.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 10:21:03 PM EDT
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and I am neither a hippie or communist.

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Exactly what hippie or communist would say!
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 10:21:15 PM EDT
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we use to do milk cultures for several small raw milk (goat and cow) dairies.

all of them stopped coming to us because every one of their cultures grew up the nastiest E. Coli and Enterobacter's possible.

imagine E. Coli and Enterobacter Chia Pets.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 10:24:41 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Fulcrum-5:

Exactly what hippie or communist would say!
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Originally Posted By DFARM:

and I am neither a hippie or communist.

Exactly what hippie or communist would say!

A foreign agent.  A real American hippie or communist would have said "...I am neither a hippie NOR a communist."
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 10:26:50 PM EDT
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Has your local farm lost a customer?
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Originally Posted By Fulcrum-5:




Exactly what hippie or communist would say!
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Damnit. I thought for sure I'd convince everyone
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 10:36:36 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bat15:


We pasteurize milk to prevent disease. Do you think our ancestors decided to pasteurized milk on a whim?

Why we pasteurized milk.


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I was shocked to read that article.  144 people hospitalized over 20 years.  Seven per year.

...that has to be the least convincing statistic I've ever heard.

I'm not even a raw milk person.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 10:42:05 PM EDT
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My grandfather was a dairy farmer before pasteurization. Also my great-grandfather.  Raw milk didn't kill them.  My father preferred it and would buy it whenever he could in the 1960s and 1970s.  I currently visit a dairy once a week to pick up a couple of gallons.  The .gov restricts the number of cows raw dairies here are allowed to have so there is a long waiting list of those that want to buy raw milk. If I remember correctly the number of cows allowed is six.

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Link Posted: 5/15/2024 10:51:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By PlaysWithAtoms:


I was shocked to read that article.  144 people hospitalized over 20 years.  Seven per year.

...that has to be the least convincing statistic I've ever heard.

I'm not even a raw milk person.
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Originally Posted By PlaysWithAtoms:
Originally Posted By Bat15:


We pasteurize milk to prevent disease. Do you think our ancestors decided to pasteurized milk on a whim?

Why we pasteurized milk.




I was shocked to read that article.  144 people hospitalized over 20 years.  Seven per year.

...that has to be the least convincing statistic I've ever heard.

I'm not even a raw milk person.


How many people do you think are drinking raw milk? The article said raw milk can make you sick but a healthy person will most likely recover at home. Blue Bell had to close one of their plants because of listeria which is usually mild in a healthy person. They did a lot of work cleaning and changing their procedures. Today they are used as an example of how to run an ice cream plant.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 10:54:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DFARM:

What illnesses are spread by raw milk ?

This is your chance to sell me on not drinking milk(I pretty much only use it in cereal and in my coffee sometimes)

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Campylobacter

Salmonella

Pathogenic E. coli infection

Tuberculosis

I'm of the opinion that people should be allowed to purchase and consume raw milk if they wish.  The market and the courts will eventually sort it out.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 10:58:08 PM EDT
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Campylobacter

Salmonella

Pathogenic E. coli infection

Tuberculosis

I'm of the opinion that people should be allowed to purchase and consume raw milk if they wish.  The market and the courts will eventually sort it out.
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Those can all be spread dozens of ways milk just happened to be the medium in those cases
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Those can all be spread dozens of ways milk just happened to be the medium in those cases
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Originally Posted By GarandM1:
Campylobacter

Salmonella

Pathogenic E. coli infection

Tuberculosis

I'm of the opinion that people should be allowed to purchase and consume raw milk if they wish.  The market and the courts will eventually sort it out.
Those can all be spread dozens of ways milk just happened to be the medium in those cases
Well, yeah.  They can also be spread by eating raw ground beef or undercooked chicken or eggs.

The point in this thread is they aren't spread by pasteurized milk.
Link Posted: 5/16/2024 12:15:00 AM EDT
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Milk is the best possible medium to grow bacteria that thier is.
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so did your mom
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I was shocked to read that article.  144 people hospitalized over 20 years.  Seven per year.

...that has to be the least convincing statistic I've ever heard.

I'm not even a raw milk person.
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And this:

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The first commercial pasteurization process was developed in Germany in 1882, and pasteurization helped to reduce the rate of milkborne infectious diseases in infants. The U.S. infant mortality rate dropped from 125.1 per thousand in 1891 to 15.8 in 1925.
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