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Posted: 4/21/2002 8:04:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/21/2002 8:09:01 PM EDT by The_Macallan]
[u]ARAB/ISLAMIC NOBEL WINNERS[/u]: [b]19.6% of the World's Population is Muslim - 1.2 billion Muslims have produced...[/b] Literature 1957 Albert Camus 1988 - Najib Mahfooz 1988. Peace 1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat 1994 - Yaser Arafat Chemistry 1990 Elias James Corey 1999 - Ahmed Zewail Medicine 1960 Peter Brian Medawar 1998 Ferid Mourad [b]End of Muslim Nobel Prize Winners.[/b] - - - continued - - -
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- - - continued - - - [u]JEWISH NOBEL WINNERS[/u]: [b]0.2% of the World's Population is Jewish - 14.1 Million Jews have produced...[/b] Literature 1910 - Paul Heyse 1927 - Henri Bergson 1958 - Boris Pasternak 1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon 1966 - Nelly Sachs 1976 - Saul Bellow 1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer 1981 - Elias Canetti 1987 - Joseph Brodsky 1991 - Nadine Gordimer Peace 1911 - Alfred Fried 1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser 1968 - Rene Cassin 1973 - Henry Kissinger 1978 - Menachem Begin 1986 - Elie Wiesel 1994 - Shimon Peres 1994 - Yitzhak Rabin Chemistry 1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer 1906 - Henri Moissan 1910 - Otto Wallach 1915 - Richard Willstaetter 1918 - Fritz Haber 1943 - George Charles de Hevesy 1961 - Melvin Calvin 1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz 1972 - William Howard Stein 1977 - Ilya Prigogine 1979 - Herbert Charles Brown 1980 - Paul Berg 1980 - Walter Gilbert 1981 - Roald Hoffmann 1982 - Aaron Klug 1985 - Albert A. Hauptman 1985 - Jerome Karle 1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach 1988 - Robert Huber 1989 - Sidney Altman 1992 - Rudolph Marcus 2000 - Alan J. Heeger Economics 1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson 1971 - Simon Kuznets 1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow 1975 - Leonid Kantorovich 1976 - Milton Friedman 1978 - Herbert A. Simon 1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein 1985 - Franco Modigliani 1987 - Robert M. Solow 1990 - Harry Markowitz 1990 - Merton Miller 1992 - Gary Becker 1993 - Rober Fogel - - - continued - - -
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- - - continued - - - [u][b][red]EVEN MORE[/red][/b] JEWISH NOBEL WINNERS[/u]: [b]0.2% of the World's Population is Jewish - 14.1 Million Jews have produced...[/b] Medicine 1908 - Elie Metchnikoff 1908 - Paul Erlich 1914 - Robert Barany 1922 - Otto Meyerhof 1930 - Karl Landsteiner 1931 - Otto Warburg 1936 - Otto Loewi 1944 - Joseph Erlanger 1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser 1945 - Ernst Boris Chain 1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller 1950 - Tadeus Reichstein 1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman 1953 - Hans Krebs 1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann 1958 - Joshua Lederberg 1959 - Arthur Kornberg 1964 - Konrad Bloch 1965 - Francois Jacob 1965 - Andre Lwoff 1967 - George Wald 1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg 1969 - Salvador Luria 1970 - Julius Axelrod 1970 - Sir Bernard Katz 1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman 1975 - David Baltimore 1975 - Howard Martin Temin 1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg 1977 - Rosalyn Sussman Yalow 1978 - Daniel Nathans 1980 - Baruj Benacerraf 1984 - Cesar Milstein 1985 - Michael Stuart Brown 1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein 1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini] 1988 - Gertrude Elion 1989 - Harold Varmus 1991 - Erwin Neher 1991 - Bert Sakmann 1993 - Richard J. Roberts 1993 - Phillip Sharp 1994 - Alfred Gilman 1995 - Edward B. Lewis Physics 1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson 1908 - Gabriel Lippmann 1921 - Albert Einstein 1922 - Niels Bohr 1925 - James Franck 1925 - Gustav Hertz 1943 - Gustav Stern 1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi 1952 - Felix Bloch 1954 - Max Born 1958 - Igor Tamm 1959 - Emilio Segre 1960 - Donald A. Glaser 1961 - Robert Hofstadter 1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau 1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman 1965 - Julian Schwinger 1969 - Murray Gell-Mann 1971 - Dennis Gabor 1973 - Brian David Josephson 1975 - Benjamin Mottleson 1976 - Burton Richter 1978 - Arno Allan Penzias 1978 - Peter L Kapitza 1979 - Stephen Weinberg 1979 - Sheldon Glashow 1988 - Leon Lederman 1988 - Melvin Schwartz 1988 - Jack Steinberger 1990 - Jerome Friedman 1995 - Martin Per
Link Posted: 4/21/2002 8:17:22 PM EDT
Who decides who gets those prizes?
Link Posted: 4/21/2002 8:30:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Blaze-Of-Glory: Who decides who gets those prizes?
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For prizes in Physiology or Medicine, the selection is made by the Karolinska Institutet Nobel Assembly in Sweden. The Assembly consists of fifty elected members who are professors at the Karolinska Institutet. For prizes in Economics, Chemistry and Physics, the award is made by the Royal Swedish Academy of Science. For the Peace prize, the Norwegian Nobel Committee selects each year's recipient.
Link Posted: 4/21/2002 9:14:41 PM EDT
Al Camus wasn't Muslim. He was French Algerian, one of the many francophone French citizens of Algeria, which was an integral part of France at the time.
Link Posted: 4/21/2002 9:34:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By mcgredo: Al Camus wasn't Muslim. He was French Algerian, one of the many francophone French citizens of Algeria, which was an integral part of France at the time.
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Did a quick check on google. Camus was born in Algeria, lived in the Arab slums, wrote about the plight of the Arabs - and was a socialist. Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, sounds like a duck...
Link Posted: 4/21/2002 11:37:15 PM EDT
Pro-gun Jewish organizations: Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership Anti-gun Jewish organizations: (from NRA-ILA anti-gun organizations list) American Jewish Committee American Jewish Congress Anti-Defamation League B'nai B'rith Women Beth Emet Synagogue Bernstein, Litowitz, Berger & Grossmann LLP Central Conference of American Rabbis Hadassah Jewish Community Center Association Jewish Labor Committee National Council of Jewish Women, Inc. North American Federation of Temple Youth Temple Ahavat Shalom Union of American Hebrew Congregations United Synagogues of America Women's League for Conservative Judaism
Link Posted: 4/21/2002 11:53:13 PM EDT
How many of the companies that fund the Nobel prizes are run by Jews? Would it be allowable to say because more whites then blacks have won Nobel prizes whites are a superior? How many of those Muslims VS Jews have had the money to actually attend a school where they could develop their minds?
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 12:13:59 AM EDT
[b]JEWISH CIVILIZATIONS THAT MAINTAINED ANCIENT-GREEK SCIENCE, WHICH BROUGHT EUROPE OUT OF THE DARK AGES AND BEGAT MODERN WESTERN CIVILIZATION:[/b] None. [b]ISLAMIC CIVILIZATIONS THAT MAINTAINED ANCIENT-GREEK SCIENCE, WHICH BROUGHT EUROPE OUT OF THE DARK AGES AND BEGAT MODERN WESTERN CIVILIZATION: [/b] Arabs.
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 5:14:41 AM EDT
How many of those Muslims VS Jews have had the money to actually attend a school where they could develop their minds?
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You'd have to ask the Saudis, Kuwaitis and other oil sheiks if they could still afford a decent education after buying their Mercedes and their gold-plated toilet seats. [;)]
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 5:19:44 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Renamed:
How many of those Muslims VS Jews have had the money to actually attend a school where they could develop their minds?
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You'd have to ask the Saudis, Kuwaitis and other oil sheiks if they could still afford a decent education after buying their Mercedes and their gold-plated toilet seats. [;)]
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Thank you [b]Renamed[/b]
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 5:30:19 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Blaze-Of-Glory: [b]JEWISH CIVILIZATIONS THAT MAINTAINED ANCIENT-GREEK SCIENCE, WHICH BROUGHT EUROPE OUT OF THE DARK AGES AND BEGAT MODERN WESTERN CIVILIZATION:[/b] None. [b]ISLAMIC CIVILIZATIONS THAT MAINTAINED ANCIENT-GREEK SCIENCE, WHICH BROUGHT EUROPE OUT OF THE DARK AGES AND BEGAT MODERN WESTERN CIVILIZATION: [/b] Arabs.
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B-O-G is absolutely right. This is all true. During Europe's "Dark Ages", it was the Arabs who maintained the knowledge base of Greek Thought (Reason and Logic), which, ironically became the foundation of Western Civilization. Without this, there would have been no "Renaissance". The shame of it is this: The Arabs total embrace of Islam led to an abandonment of the wealth of ideas that they once safeguarded. Their education is now primarily religion-based, the logic and reason that paved the way for Modern Science and Mathematics, is no longer considered important. At one time Logic and Reason were considered to be the foundation of ALL education and study. For the Arab World, this is no longer so.
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 5:51:45 AM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Macallan:
Originally Posted By mcgredo: Al Camus wasn't Muslim. He was French Algerian, one of the many francophone French citizens of Algeria, which was an integral part of France at the time.
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Did a quick check on google. Camus was born in Algeria, lived in the Arab slums, wrote about the plight of the Arabs - and was a socialist. Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, sounds like a duck...
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Camus was not a Muslim. He born into a Christian family and developed an atheistic philosophy that was almost an antithesis of Islam. From [i]The Myth of Sisyphus[/i]: "I don’t know whether this world has a meaning that transcends it. But I know that I cannot know that meaning and that it is impossible for me just now to know it. What can a meaning outside my condition mean to me? I can understand only in human terms… I do not want to found anything on the incomprehensible. I want to know whether I can live with what I know and with that alone."
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 5:56:26 AM EDT
I think you will find that no Nobel Prises have ever gone to ANY religious [u]fundamentalist[/u]. Be they Muslim, Christian, or Jewish. It's pretty obvious, why.
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 6:36:44 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Blaze-Of-Glory: [b]JEWISH CIVILIZATIONS THAT MAINTAINED ANCIENT-GREEK SCIENCE, WHICH BROUGHT EUROPE OUT OF THE DARK AGES AND BEGAT MODERN WESTERN CIVILIZATION:[/b] None. [b]ISLAMIC CIVILIZATIONS THAT MAINTAINED ANCIENT-GREEK SCIENCE, WHICH BROUGHT EUROPE OUT OF THE DARK AGES AND BEGAT MODERN WESTERN CIVILIZATION: [/b] Arabs.
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So 500 years ago, the Arabs simply preserved the Science and Mathematics that THEY didn't even create? What have they done since? This is the point of the thread. What has the Arab/Muslim people done for humanity in the last 500years? Compare that with what the Jewish people have brought - Muslims have a looooooong way to go. With all the lavish wealth of the Arab Sheiks, with all the vast, untapped natural resources of Moslem nations in Africa and Southeast Asia, with all the access to American research centers, with over a billion hard-working people, just WTF has the Muslim world brought to humanity?
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 7:12:14 AM EDT
So, looking at the list of Jewish Nobel Prize winners, there's only one thing I can say: [i][b] Our German Jews can beat up your Jews, nya nya na na na[/b][/i] [bounce]
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 7:15:57 AM EDT
With all the lavish wealth of the Arab Sheiks, with all the vast, untapped natural resources of Moslem nations in Africa and Southeast Asia, with all the access to American research centers, with over a billion hard-working people, just WTF has the Muslim world brought to humanity?
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Link Posted: 4/22/2002 6:52:51 PM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Macallan: What has the Arab/Muslim people done for humanity in the last 500years? Compare that with what the Jewish people have brought - Muslims have a looooooong way to go. With all the lavish wealth of the Arab Sheiks, with all the vast, untapped natural resources of Moslem nations in Africa and Southeast Asia, with all the access to American research centers, with over a billion hard-working people, just WTF has the Muslim world brought to humanity?
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It's hard to say what the Arabs would accomplish if they weren't the subjects of US-funded dictators.
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 7:04:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Blaze-Of-Glory:
Originally Posted By The_Macallan: What has the Arab/Muslim people done for humanity in the last 500years? Compare that with what the Jewish people have brought - Muslims have a looooooong way to go. With all the lavish wealth of the Arab Sheiks, with all the vast, untapped natural resources of Moslem nations in Africa and Southeast Asia, with all the access to American research centers, with over a billion hard-working people, just WTF has the Muslim world brought to humanity?
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It's hard to say what the Arabs would accomplish if they weren't the subjects of US-funded dictators.
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How much US funding do you think the dictators in Libya, Iraq and Syria are getting?
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 7:13:05 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Renamed:
Originally Posted By Blaze-Of-Glory:
Originally Posted By The_Macallan: What has the Arab/Muslim people done for humanity in the last 500years? Compare that with what the Jewish people have brought - Muslims have a looooooong way to go. With all the lavish wealth of the Arab Sheiks, with all the vast, untapped natural resources of Moslem nations in Africa and Southeast Asia, with all the access to American research centers, with over a billion hard-working people, just WTF has the Muslim world brought to humanity?
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It's hard to say what the Arabs would accomplish if they weren't the subjects of US-funded dictators.
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How much US funding do you think the dictators in Libya, Iraq and Syria are getting?
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None, I meant Saudi and Kuwait. What forms of government do Libya and Syria have?
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 7:16:04 PM EDT
So far as I know, all moslem shithole countries are ruled by a strongman - either king or dictator.
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 7:36:08 PM EDT
As was mentioned, Camus was nominally Christian; his father was an Altasian who migrated to Algeria as a colonist. He later developed into a sort of nihilistic humanist, who rejected the evil revolutionary tendecies of guys like Sarte. He was against the French in Algeria, but also opposed to the terrorism. (His mother still lived there.) which led to this semi-famous quote: ---- ''It was this disagreement with revolution that prompted Camus to declare that ``I believe in justice, but I will defend my mother before justice.'' He was talking about Algeria, the liberation of which meant an end to terrorism, not the French retreat. ``The cause of the Arab people of Algeria has never been worse served than by terrorism against civilians, now practiced systematically by Arab movements. Terrorism delays, perhaps irremediably, the solution of justice that will eventually come''. ----
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 7:37:29 PM EDT
Face it: the Jews can kick some ass, and now they're taking names. I do think they've done pretty good for themselves, given they're only 2/10ths of one percent of the world's population. Why do ya'll think that is?
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 8:04:03 PM EDT
I know of only one culture ass-kickin enough to drop two skyscrapers and a DOD headquarters with a few box-cutters. That is some serious cunning and resourcefulness.
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 8:15:40 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Blaze-Of-Glory: I know of only one culture ass-kickin enough to drop two skyscrapers and a DOD headquarters with a few box-cutters. That is some serious cunning and resourcefulness.
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Proud of that little accomplishment, are ya, Blaze?
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 8:34:25 PM EDT
I think our Jewish scientists helped build a "gadget" that LEVELED a WHOLE CITY and required only ONE airplane!!!!! Only shortcoming has been political - failure to repeat the event when and where appropriate!!!!
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 8:34:52 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Blaze-Of-Glory:
Originally Posted By The_Macallan: What has the Arab/Muslim people done for humanity in the last 500years? Compare that with what the Jewish people have brought - Muslims have a looooooong way to go. With all the lavish wealth of the Arab Sheiks, with all the vast, untapped natural resources of Moslem nations in Africa and Southeast Asia, with all the access to American research centers, with over a billion hard-working people, just WTF has the Muslim world brought to humanity?
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It's hard to say what the Arabs would accomplish if they weren't the subjects of US-funded dictators.
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Ahhhhh... now the truth rears its ugly head! It is AMERICA'S fault the MoslemMaggots are living in such utter squalor and decrepitude!! No [b]Blaze[/b] you're wrong, the MoslemMaggots ADORE their wealthy sheiks like they adore that multimillionaire Usama Bin Laden! What did Usama do with all his millions? Oh, yeah - he did just what YOU did [b]Blaze[/b]... he BLAMED AMERICA for all the troubles of the filthy MoslemMaggot-infested Arab world. The MoslemMaggots that run most of the Arab nations in the world are parasites on humanity. They contribute NOTHING, produce NOTHING, invent NOTHING, discover NOTHING and create NOTHING! Their "governments" still enslave Christians, openly advocate the slaughter of Jews, relegate their women to being nothing more than a man's chattel and promote the destruction of all that is not of Islam. And all that you blame on US!?! Go to hell [b]Blaze[/b] - you're a f@cking idiot. To imply that their failure to become civilized is OUR fault is a testament to your own incredible stupidity.
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 8:35:56 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: I think you will find that no Nobel Prises have ever gone to ANY religious [u]fundamentalist[/u]. Be they Muslim, Christian, or Jewish. It's pretty obvious, why.
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Oh please tell us. There are two conceivable possibilities and I want to know which one you think it is.
Blaze-Of-Glory: I know of only one culture ass-kickin enough to drop two skyscrapers and a DOD headquarters with a few box-cutters. That is some serious cunning and resourcefulness.
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You're an idiot.
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 8:39:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Macallan: And all that you blame on US!?!
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And then there's the fact that their culture quit doing anything useful for the world centuries before this country was founded. Whose fault was it back then? Who was the evil oppressor causing their pathetic condition? I can't wait for blaze's answer to that.
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 8:52:42 PM EDT
The_Macallan is obviously racist and deaf. Apparently when GW was talking about there being a difference between terrorist and Muslims The_Macallan decided to press the fast forward button. So for those who need to understand what The_Macallan is saying; Muslim = Terrorist Arab = Terrorist Wears turban = Terrorist Palestinian = Terrorist Didn't win as many Nobel prizes as Jews = worthless So remember kids, if your Muslim, Arab, Palestinian your a terrorist. And if you haven't won a enough Nobel prizes, your worthless!
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 9:00:20 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DScott:
Originally Posted By Blaze-Of-Glory: I know of only one culture ass-kickin enough to drop two skyscrapers and a DOD headquarters with a few box-cutters. That is some serious cunning and resourcefulness.
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Proud of that little accomplishment, are ya, Blaze?
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(You're attacking the person, not his argument.) You're the one who brought up ass-kicking.
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 9:07:28 PM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Macallan: the MoslemMaggots ADORE their wealthy sheiks
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Got evidence?
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 9:26:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Blaze-Of-Glory:
Originally Posted By DScott:
Originally Posted By Blaze-Of-Glory: I know of only one culture ass-kickin enough to drop two skyscrapers and a DOD headquarters with a few box-cutters. That is some serious cunning and resourcefulness.
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Proud of that little accomplishment, are ya, Blaze?
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(You're attacking the person, not his argument.)
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That would be one of those ad-hominem thingies, yes? Not! Just a comment on your obvious admiration for such "cunning and resourcefulness". I'm sorry, I tend to beleive that a person *is* their arguement, especially on the internet. You certainly seem to enjoy pushing buttons, don't you?
You're the one who brought up ass-kicking.
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Yep,and I meant it in all ways! You choose to take it in only one. Jews have been accomplishing things in this world for thousands of years: in religion (that whole monotheism notion), science, medicine, the arts, and in their military. Continues today, as a matter of fact. And your Arabs? What do they *contribute* to the world?
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 9:26:29 PM EDT
Originally Posted By MickeyMouse: I think our Jewish scientists helped build a "gadget" that LEVELED a WHOLE CITY and required only ONE airplane!!!!! Only shortcoming has been political - failure to repeat the event when and where appropriate!!!!
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And a Jewish politician managed infringe upon the 2nd Amendment rights of an entire nation.
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 9:36:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DScott: And your Arabs? What do they *contribute* to the world?
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Algebra. I don't know what else, because I am ignorant when it comes to Arabic history. I've met a lot of Arabs who do more than throw rocks; and I've met a lot of Jews who are sub-Nobel thinkers. The Jews contributed [b]me[/b] to society.
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 9:45:37 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Blaze-Of-Glory: I know of only one culture ass-kickin enough to drop two skyscrapers and a DOD headquarters with a few box-cutters. That is some serious cunning and resourcefulness.
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The United States has the ability (read "cunning and resourcefulness") to turn the Middle East into a glass bowl. We haven't done so because we are not murdering thugs. Performing acts of terror does not show you're an "ass-kicker". Performing acts of terror only shows you are a murdering thug. This does not show the "culture" you refer to as favorable.
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 9:48:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Blaze-Of-Glory:
Originally Posted By DScott: And your Arabs? What do they *contribute* to the world?
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Algebra. I don't know what else, because I am ignorant when it comes to Arabic history. I've met a lot of Arabs who do more than throw rocks; and I've met a lot of Jews who are sub-Nobel thinkers. The Jews contributed me to society.
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Really. Are you suggesting as Oscar Wilde did that "The pure and simple truth is rarely pure and never simple." Hmm?
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 11:07:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Stealth: The United States has the ability (read "cunning and resourcefulness") to turn the Middle East into a glass bowl. We haven't done so because we are not murdering thugs.
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Are we murdering thugs for having glass-bowled Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Performing acts of terror does not show you're an "ass-kicker". Performing acts of terror only shows you are a murdering thug.
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If they used M16's instead of box-cutters, would you still consider them to be murdering thugs?
This does not show the "culture" you refer to as favorable.
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If the roles were reversed, and AK47's were over here for 20 years, and year after year we warned our enemies to get their AK47's the hell off our land, and we eventually turned our enemies' technology against them, wouldn't you claim ass-kickin?
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 11:30:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Blaze-Of-Glory: Are we murdering thugs for having glass-bowled Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
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If they used M16's instead of box-cutters, would you still consider them to be murdering thugs?
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If the roles were reversed, and AK47's were over here for 20 years, and year after year we warned our enemies to get their AK47's the hell off our land, and we eventually turned our enemies' technology against them, wouldn't you claim ass-kickin?
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Are you from Tuscon AZ? I have heard that Al Qaeda and Hamas were operating from There.
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 12:21:49 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Magic:
Originally Posted By Blaze-Of-Glory: Are we murdering thugs for having glass-bowled Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
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If they used M16's instead of box-cutters, would you still consider them to be murdering thugs?
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If the roles were reversed, and AK47's were over here for 20 years, and year after year we warned our enemies to get their AK47's the hell off our land, and we eventually turned our enemies' technology against them, wouldn't you claim ass-kickin?
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Are you from Tuscon AZ? I have heard that Al Qaeda and Hamas were operating from There.
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But can you answer the questions posed?
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 12:33:16 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Blaze-Of-Glory: Are we murdering thugs for having glass-bowled Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
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As I'm sure you are aware, that was done to end a war. The idea was to not have to send in an invasion force. If I remember correctly, that little altercation was started when the Japanese attacked the American fleet at Pearl Harbor. I'm not sure what correlation you are trying to make with the terrorists scum. I can find none.
If they used M16's instead of box-cutters, would you still consider them to be murdering thugs?
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Of course I would. The act of murder is not dependant upon which tool is used. A murdering thug can use rifles, boxcutters or explosives strapped to their children.
If the roles were reversed, and AK47's were over here for 20 years, and year after year we warned our enemies to get their AK47's the hell off our land, and we eventually turned our enemies' technology against them, wouldn't you claim ass-kickin?
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Are you saying that the murdering cowards who perpetrated the 9-11 terrorist bombings are somehow justified????? They were not in any way justified in the attack of the twin towers. This is the type of thinking that makes people (idiots) believe it's okay to strap on explosives and walk into malls. As far as "claiming ass-kickin". I don't believe you are in complete control of your faculties. This is not a title one gives themselves for performing acts of cowardice. Sounds more like what a Jr. High student would say if his football team won.
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 12:44:10 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By DScott: You certainly seem to enjoy pushing buttons, don't you?
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I think we all, myself included, can benefit from civil dialog.
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Originally Posted By Helldog40:
Originally Posted By Blaze-Of-Glory: I know of only one culture ass-kickin enough to drop two skyscrapers and a DOD headquarters with a few box-cutters. That is some serious cunning and resourcefulness.
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Pardon me, I don't quite understand...Blaze-Of_Glory: are you expressing admiration for the hijackers' conduct of operations on 9-11?
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I misunderstood DScott's comment:
Face it: the Jews can kick some ass, and now they're taking names.
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He was referring to the Jews kicking ass in a Nobel-Prize way; but I thought he was referring to Israel's recent military strikes, so I was making the point that the Muslims too had proven themselves capable of military-style ass-kicking.
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 1:15:20 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Stealth:
Originally Posted By Blaze-Of-Glory: Are we murdering thugs for having glass-bowled Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
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As I'm sure you are aware, that was done to end a war. The idea was to not have to send in an invasion force. If I remember correctly, that little altercation was started when the Japanese attacked the American fleet at Pearl Harbor. I'm not sure what correlation you are trying to make with the terrorists scum. I can find none.
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I find this correlation: bin Laden believes Islam has been attacked by America. Years ago, he declared that America and Islam were at war with each other, and he demanded the withdrawl of American troops from Islam. He ordered the 9-11 strike to compel America to withdraw from Islam. He wants the American-Islam war to end, but only if America withdraws from Islam.
If they used M16's instead of box-cutters, would you still consider them to be murdering thugs?
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Of course I would. The act of murder is not dependant upon which tool is used. A murdering thug can use rifles, boxcutters or explosives strapped to their children.
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Why don't you see these killings as casualties in a war?
If the roles were reversed, and AK47's were over here for 20 years, and year after year we warned our enemies to get their AK47's the hell off our land, and we eventually turned our enemies' technology against them, wouldn't you claim ass-kickin?
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Are you saying that the murdering cowards who perpetrated the 9-11 terrorist bombings are somehow justified?????
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I didn't assert that; I asked you how you would feel if the rolls were reversed, and you didn't answer.
As far as "claiming ass-kickin". I don't believe you are in complete control of your faculties. This is not a title one gives themselves for performing acts of cowardice. Sounds more like what a Jr. High student would say if his football team won.
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I think "ass-kickin" is a term commonly used by real soldiers in real wars. I don't take personal satisfaction from seeing anyone get hurt, not Americans, Jews, Muslims, Japanese, or Germans.
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 1:23:18 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Blaze-Of-Glory: I find this correlation: bin Laden believes Islam has been attacked by America. Years ago, he declared that America and Islam were at war with each other, and he demanded the withdrawl of American troops from Islam. He ordered the 9-11 strike to compel America to withdraw from Islam. He wants the American-Islam war to end, but only if America withdraws from Islam.
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Where exactly is Islam?? Just curious. [:D]
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 1:24:06 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 1:30:56 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Helldog40:
Originally Posted By Blaze-Of-Glory: ... I was making the point that the Muslims too had proven themselves capable of military-style ass-kicking.
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I beg to differ....hijacking non-combatants on a civilian airliner and using them in a kamikaze-style attack on other civilians is NOT "military-style"....It is terrorism, pure and simple.
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Where do you draw the line between terrorism and military action? Do you consider terrorism to include the American-executed mass killings of non-combatants in Hamburg, Dresdon, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki? I don't see a pure and simple distinction.
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 1:33:29 AM EDT
Originally Posted By USP40C:
Originally Posted By Blaze-Of-Glory: I find this correlation: bin Laden believes Islam has been attacked by America. Years ago, he declared that America and Islam were at war with each other, and he demanded the withdrawl of American troops from Islam. He ordered the 9-11 strike to compel America to withdraw from Islam. He wants the American-Islam war to end, but only if America withdraws from Islam.
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Where exactly is Islam?? Just curious. [:D]
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I'm not exactly sure what bin Laden's demands are -- the American media has done a lousy job of reporting his statements, and the American government has discouraged publication of his statements. I assume that at very least he wants the American military out of Saudi Arabia, and he wants American money out of the Israel-Palestine conflict.
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 1:40:56 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Blaze-Of-Glory:
Originally Posted By USP40C:
Originally Posted By Blaze-Of-Glory: I find this correlation: bin Laden believes Islam has been attacked by America. Years ago, he declared that America and Islam were at war with each other, and he demanded the withdrawl of American troops from Islam. He ordered the 9-11 strike to compel America to withdraw from Islam. He wants the American-Islam war to end, but only if America withdraws from Islam.
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Where exactly is Islam?? Just curious. [:D]
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I'm not exactly sure what bin Laden's demands are -- the American media has done a lousy job of reporting his statements, and the American government has discouraged publication of his statements. I assume that at very least he wants the American military out of Saudi Arabia, and he wants American money out of the Israel-Palestine conflict.
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I am just pickin, but thanks for the response. I know what the statement infers, and can draw the logical conclusion. We don't always agree, and do not on this issue, but it's cool. Have fun with this fight, you picked a good one.
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