Leave it to a damn Scot to tell it like it is(guess where my blood comes from)
Muslim radicals should quit UK says Moderator
21 Aug 2005
SCOTLAND'S most senior churchman says extremist Muslim clerics should leave the country, and has branded them "hypocrites" who treat their neighbours as "enemies".
Church of Scotland Moderator, Rev David Lacy, also accuses radical Islamists of speaking out "against us from within" while receiving "heart operations and care on our system".
Lacy's unprecedented remarks, in an interview with Scotland on Sunday, have strongly divided opinion within the Kirk and represent a marked departure from the cautious tone usually adopted by moderators.
Lacy said extremist Muslims - such as Muhammad al-Massari, who has been accused of encouraging attacks on coalition soldiers in Iraq - should go.
"They have been welcomed as brothers and have treated us as enemies. It is hypocrisy, they should leave," said Lacy.
"If we are their enemies they should have nothing to do with us, but they don't. They speak out against us from within and get heart operations and care on our system. And we are happy to do that for them, to have rights and care, but we expect them to love us in return and accept our right to be who we are."
Lacy also criticised civil liberties campaigners, whom he accused of stressing rights while underplaying the need for individual responsibility.
He added that those who believed it was Christian to "turn the other cheek" to such extremism were misunderstanding the Gospel message and claimed that believers had a duty to "confront evil".
Lacy's comments have been welcomed by some within the church as a long overdue piece of common sense and plain-speaking. Some insiders believe Lacy wants to confront difficult issues as part of a strategy to make the Kirk more relevant.
But Rev Norman Shanks, the former leader of the influential Iona Community - and ex-convener of the Church and Nation committee - delivered a thinly-veiled rebuke.
He said: "While he is right to raise the issue of human rights and responsibilities, there is a real danger in these post-9/11 and 7/7 times of overreaction and alarmism. I would certainly have been a lot more cautious."
(I notice he doesn't say anything about the terrorists being bad people)
Morag Mylne, convener of the Church and Society Council, added that many in the Kirk would be worried by the tone of the Moderator's remarks.
She said: "I would be concerned at people being deported or excluded simply because they say things we don't like. Sometimes what people will say will horrify us but we value that right to free speech and we have a duty to uphold that right even when we disagree with what they say."
Another senior figure said: "I think that these remarks come from a very conservative opinion, very much of the right. They are not at all helpful and might inflame the situation."
But Harry Reid, a leading writer and expert on the contemporary Kirk, said: "I think it's right and proper for the Moderator to speak out on matters of great public interest. Too often in the recent past Moderators have failed to do so."
Iain MacMillan, an elder in Lacy's own parish in Kilmarnock, said: "I believe that in what he has said he speaks for the vast majority of the people in this church and for most people across the Church of Scotland."
Senior Muslims have backed Lacy's comments. Ashraf Anjum, president of the Islamic Centre in Glasgow, said: "He is right. Anyone who comes to this country, whether they are Muslim, Christian, Jewish, whatever, should obey the law and not attack this country. The overwhelming majority of Muslims will agree with him."
Mr Bolton seems to have lost his pc codebook too, he says funding the palastinian terrorists is "bad"
(what a radical concept for the un to have to tackle, next they will be thinking about doing their jobs.....naaaa)
Bush's 'bruiser' squares up to UN in row over Palestinian propaganda
By Toby Harnden
John Bolton, the controversial new American ambassador to the United Nations, has lodged a protest about its "inappropriate and unacceptable" funding of a Palestinian propaganda campaign to accompany the Gaza withdrawal.
His public complaint is a clear signal that Mr Bolton, who was appointed by President George W Bush over the heads of the United Nations Senate, is not going to try to appease his critics.
Jewish groups reacted with fury to banners, mugs, bumper stickers and T-shirts bearing the slogan "Today Gaza, Tomorrow the West Bank and Jerusalem" which bore the UN Development Programme logo.
Israelis view the slogan, and particularly the reference to Jerusalem, as an aspiration to destroy the Jewish state.
The dispute became more acrimonious when the UNDP appeared to state that, while it was improper to use the logo, there was nothing wrong with its money being used to produce what has been denounced as incitement.
Kemal Dervis, a UNDP official, responded to a complaint from the American Jewish Congress by saying that the UNDP "cannot be involved in political messaging" and it was "not at all acceptable" that its logo was used.
Yet Timothy Rothermel, head of the organisation's Palestinian programme, was quoted on Fox News, the American cable channel, as saying that the slogan was "consistent with the relevant UN resolutions and Security Council resolutions about the status of Palestine".
UNDP officials argue that the Palestinian Authority has the freedom to use the UN money without each element being reviewed by the world body.
Mr Bolton, whose arrival at the UN was delayed after Democratic leaders blocked a crucial senate vote on his appointment, told the New York Sun that the UNDP's response was not adequate.
"Funding this kind of activity is inappropriate and unacceptable," he said. "We plan to raise the issue with UNDP and with others".
Abraham Foxman, the director of the Anti-Defamation League, said that it was "inappropriate for the UNDP, as an impartial global development organisation, to fund such a political and provocative message".
Democratic senators and some Republicans opposed Mr Bolton's appointment as ambassador to the UN because of his association with the neo-conservative strand of the Bush administration, and his reputation for being bombastic and ideological.
A "floor vote" of all 100 senators was blocked by Democrats because it was apparent that Mr Bolton's nomination would be approved by a majority. Mr Bush lost patience and made a "recess appointment" while senators were on holiday, declaring that Mr Bolton was the man to reform the UN.
The US Republican Party is bitterly critical of the UN. One senator said recently: "The UN is a smorgasbord for tyrants, terrorism-sponsoring states, socialists and people who hate America."