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Posted: 8/1/2005 10:13:21 PM EDT
Muslim groups condemn stop-and-search policy
By Terry Kirby, Chief Reporter
Published: 02 August 2005

Muslim groups angrily condemned British Transport Police yesterday for suggesting that young men from ethnic minorities were more likely to be stopped and questioned in the wake of the London bombings.

Government ministers appeared to be divided on the issue. While Home Office minister Hazel Blears has backed the BTP, Peter Hain, the Northern Ireland minister, said a stop and search policy of discriminating against Muslims would simply act as recruiting agent for terrorism, as it had done with Irish communities in the past.

At the weekend, Ian Johnston, Chief Constable of British Transport Police, said his officers will not be searching "little old white ladies''. Yesterday a force spokesman said that the force did not intend to target specific communities but added: "Clearly if we are looking for people and being operationally efficient, we have got to target the people who we think are maybe involved.

"It is going to be disproportionate. It is going to be young men, not exclusively, but it may be disproportionate when it comes to ethnic groups."

Public racial profiling of suspects would have been almost unthinkable in recent years following criticism that young Afro-Caribbean men were being unfairly singled out.

But Chief Superintendent Ali Dizaei, of the National Black Police Association, said that he agreed racial profiling was acceptable provided searches were carried out politely and with respect.

Home Office figures show that stop and searches of Asian people have risen steeply since the September 11 attacks.

A spokesman for the Muslim Council of Britain said that while it understands the police need to take all necessary actions, it had to avoid "alienating or stigmatising" and an entire section of society. "Otherwise this action will be counterproductive," said a spokesman.

Muslim Association of Britain, said such a policy would worsen the situation. "It won't help in terms of building a relationship or trust between the communities."
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 10:13:55 PM EDT
And then you have this...........

Police to raid in socks

Sock it to them ... cops must remove shoes according to memo
By VIRGINIA WHEELER
www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2004600000-2005350274,00.html
POLICE have been told they must show respect by taking their SHOES OFF before raiding the homes of Muslim terror suspects.

It was one of 18 rules laid down in new guidelines for officers in Luton — a hotbed of Islamic fundamentalism.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 10:19:33 PM EDT
And of course we have a civil rights activist that says the terrorists will recruit outside the profile
so the authorities will be "playing into the terrorists hands" WTF?

Ethnic groups 'accept searches'
1 August 2005
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/4734725.stm
People from ethnic minorities will understand being stopped by police after the attacks, a senior officer has claimed.
National Black Police Association's Ch Supt Ali Dizaei said this would be true as long as people were treated courteously and given an explanation.

On Sunday British Transport Police said young men from ethnic minorities were more likely to be stopped.

But some groups condemned the move, warning it could be counter-productive.

Civil rights group Liberty said terrorists could just use bombers with a different profile to avoid targeted stops by police officers.

Mr Dizaei, the NBPA's legal adviser, told the BBC's Today programme that so far he had seen no evidence that young Muslims or Asians had been stopped more frequently.

He said: "People do not mind being stopped and searched, provided that it is explained to them, provided they're dealt with respect, and provided they're dealt with courtesy, and I think that is the key, and there's every indication so far since the seventh of July that that understanding has been taking place across London.

"These are extraordinary times and people are committed from all communities to work together with the police in order to sort this problem out."

A British Transport Police (BTP) spokesman insisted the force did not intend to 'single out' any particular community.

"Clearly if we are looking for people and being operationally efficient, we have got to target the people who we think are maybe involved," he said.

"It is going to be disproportionate. It is going to be young men, not exclusively, but it may be disproportionate when it comes to ethnic groups."

Concerned communities

But Muslim Council of Britain spokesman Inayat Bunglawala warned the strategy could be "counter-productive".

"While it is understandable that the police need to undertake every step to thwart would-be bombers it is crucial that they do not unnecessarily alienate and stigmatise an entire segment of society," he said.

Ihtisham Hibatullah, of the Muslim Association of Britain, said such a policy would worsen the situation.

"It won't help in terms of building a relationship or trust between the communities," he said.

"It will alienate the youth and create unnecessary fear about the authorities, especially in the wake of the death of the young Brazilian man."

'Islamophobia'

Home Office statistics showed in 2003/2004 Asians were 1.9 times more likely to be stopped and searched, compared with 1.7 times more likely in the previous year.

In 2004, some groups accused police of unfair targeting of Muslim groups after the number of Asians subjected to a stop-and-search under anti-terror powers rose by 300%.

A spokesman for black campaign group The 1990 Trust, said the British Transport Police policy meant young black men as well as Asians would be subjected to greater scrutiny.

"As someone of Jamaican origin myself I have to confess to feeling somewhat affected by the fact that it emerged that one of the bombers was of Jamaican origin," 1990 spokesman Rob Neil said.

"Clearly something needs to be done but it needs to be based on 'intelligent intelligence', on closer work with all of the communities and with properly researched leads," he said.

The Home Office has defended the BTP's stop and search policy, with minister Hazel Blears stressing officers would be acting on intelligence-led information.


But Shami Chakrabarti, chief executive of civil rights group Liberty, said the move played into the hands of bombers.

She said: "If you search people of a particular race or description while letting others through, it doesn't take long for a terrorist group to learn ways of placing their lethal cargo with those who don't meet the profile."
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 9:44:29 PM EDT
But Shami Chakrabarti, chief executive of civil rights group Liberty, said the move played into the hands of bombers.

She said: "If you search people of a particular race or description while letting others through, it doesn't take long for a terrorist group to learn ways of placing their lethal cargo with those who don't meet the profile."


Yeah, resistance is futile
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 9:50:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/2/2005 9:52:02 PM EDT by The_Macallan]

Originally Posted By 22bad:
And then you have this...........

Police to raid in socks

Sock it to them ... cops must remove shoes according to memo
By VIRGINIA WHEELER
www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2004600000-2005350274,00.html
POLICE have been told they must show respect by taking their SHOES OFF before raiding the homes of Muslim terror suspects.

It was one of 18 rules laid down in new guidelines for officers in Luton — a hotbed of Islamic fundamentalism.


That has GOT to be a fucking joke.

But after seeing how we crucified our own military troops for "abusing" the Koran by putting on a TV set I believe every word of it.

I'm just waiting for the ruling mandating that all LEO must first bow to Mecca three times and chant "Allahu akbar" before speaking to any MuslimMaggot terrorist.


Link Posted: 8/2/2005 9:53:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Originally Posted By 22bad:
And then you have this...........

Police to raid in socks

Sock it to them ... cops must remove shoes according to memo
By VIRGINIA WHEELER
www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2004600000-2005350274,00.html
POLICE have been told they must show respect by taking their SHOES OFF before raiding the homes of Muslim terror suspects.

It was one of 18 rules laid down in new guidelines for officers in Luton — a hotbed of Islamic fundamentalism.


That has GOT to be a fucking joke.

But after seeing how we crucified our own military troops for "abusing" the Koran by putting on a TV set I believe every word of it.

I'm just waiting for the ruling mandating that all LEO must first bow to Mecca three times and chant "Allahu akbar" before speaking to any MuslimMaggot terrorist.





These extra rules that LAW ENFORCEMENT has to obey will really slow down the no-knock raids
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 5:56:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Originally Posted By 22bad:
And then you have this...........

Police to raid in socks

Sock it to them ... cops must remove shoes according to memo
By VIRGINIA WHEELER
www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2004600000-2005350274,00.html
POLICE have been told they must show respect by taking their SHOES OFF before raiding the homes of Muslim terror suspects.

It was one of 18 rules laid down in new guidelines for officers in Luton — a hotbed of Islamic fundamentalism.


That has GOT to be a fucking joke.



Told a few people about that, they didn't think it was a good idea
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 6:01:34 PM EDT
So ,once again, when are we going to ge ta big British flag with OWNED written across it?
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 6:05:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 22bad:
"Muslim groups angrily condemned British Transport Police yesterday for suggesting that young men from ethnic minorities were more likely to be stopped and questioned in the wake of the London bombings. "



Tough shit.....fuck muslim groups.
Maybe if they were more likely to be searched they might eventually be stopped from killing innocent people.
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 6:09:19 PM EDT
Maybe they should wear boots covered in pig shit when they go in....

HH
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 6:16:58 PM EDT
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