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Posted: 6/6/2003 9:51:47 AM EDT
[b]Judge Orders Muslim Woman to Unveil for Driver's License Photo[/b] [url]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,88779,00.html[/url] [b][red]Now shut your stinking pork hole !![/red][/b]
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 9:54:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/6/2003 9:55:45 AM EDT by u-baddog]
Thats sounds about right.. I was afraid they were going to let her keep the bag on her head. I hope they don't let her wear the bag while driving.
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 9:58:34 AM EDT
That is good news ....I was really expecting this to go the other way , or at least be dragged out and turned into a spectacle... This is what happens in a world when everyone is brought up to think they are just oh so special...... t
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 9:58:37 AM EDT
I'd hit it! [BD]
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 10:03:15 AM EDT
Now the NEXT thing will be that she'll scream like a banshee anytime any LEO pulls her over and asks to see her license and makes her "unveil" right there on the street in public to compare the license photo with her in person. I'm sure she'll scream bloody hell about being "degraded" by having to unveil in public every time someone needs to see a photo ID and she has to unveil herself for comparison. I mean, what good is it to unveil for a photo but NOT for a routine traffic stop?
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 10:04:22 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Emoto: I'd hit it! [BD]
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lol
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 10:08:39 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 10:08:56 AM EDT
what business does she have behind a steering wheel if she is a devout muslim anyways? Aside from displaying their faces, I seem to remember the Taliban also frowned upon their women being educated, holding jobs, discussing politics, and driving cars.
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 10:13:12 AM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Macallan: Now the NEXT thing will be that she'll scream like a banshee anytime any LEO pulls her over and asks to see her license and makes her "unveil" right there on the street in public to compare the license photo with her in person. [b]I'm sure she'll scream bloody hell about being "degraded" by having to unveil in public every time someone needs to see a photo ID and she has to unveil herself for comparison.[/b] I mean, what good is it to unveil for a photo but NOT for a routine traffic stop?
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Not to mention the screams in the morning when she looks in the mirror.
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 10:17:59 AM EDT
She should wear a bag over her face and have her Vagina Cemented shut so as not to reproduce. Have a Nice Day! :-)
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 10:26:03 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Gloftoe: [url]http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/sultaana1.html[/url]
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Yeah, and she was also arrested for fraud too. LEOs found she had over half a dozen fake IDs in her possession. So she's a fraud AND a child-abuser. Ahhh... the Religion Of Peace.
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 10:33:10 AM EDT
From the article:
Freeman claims her religious beliefs require her to keep her head and face covered out of modesty and that her faith prohibits her face from being photographed.
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Your "faith" requires you to cover your face because the asshole men who developed that abortion you call a religion wanted to control your stupid ass as their PROPERTY! Oh? Were cameras in existence back in Mecca when your man Mohamad did his camel-jockey trip? No? Then lift the friggin' thing and say "CHEESE", bitch! This REALLY pisses me off! [pissed]
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 10:38:43 AM EDT
Judge musta threatened her with a bacon strip. [:D]
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 10:41:39 AM EDT
The Women In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful. [4.1] O people! be careful of (your duty to) your Lord, Who created you from a single being and created its mate of the same (kind) and spread from these two, many men and women; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah, by Whom you demand one of another (your rights), and (to) the ties of relationship; surely Allah ever watches over you. [4.2] And give to the orphans their property, and do not substitute worthless (things) for (their) good (ones), and do not devour their property (as an addition) to your own property; this is surely a great crime. [4.3] And if you fear that you cannot act equitably towards orphans, then marry such women as seem good to you, two and three and four; but if you fear that you will not do justice (between them), then (marry) only one or what your right hands possess; this is more proper, that you may not deviate from the right course. [4.4] And give women their dowries as a free gift, but if they of themselves be pleased to give up to you a portion of it, then eat it with enjoyment and with wholesome result. [4.5] And do not give away your property which Allah has made for you a (means of) support to the weak of understanding, and maintain them out of (the profits of) it, and clothe them and speak to them words of honest advice. [4.6] And test the orphans until they attain puberty; then if you find in them maturity of intellect, make over to them their property, and do not consume it extravagantly and hastily, lest they attain to full age; and whoever is rich, let him abstain altogether, and whoever is poor, let him eat reasonably; then when you make over to them their property, call witnesses in their presence; and Allah is enough as a Reckoner. [4.7] Men shall have a portion of what the parents and the near relatives leave, and women shall have a portion of what the parents and the near relatives leave, whether there is little or much of it; a stated portion. [4.8] And when there are present at the division the relatives and the orphans and the needy, give them (something) out of it and speak to them kind words. [4.9] And let those fear who, should they leave behind them weakly offspring, would fear on their account, so let them be careful of (their duty to) Allah, and let them speak right words. [4.10] (As for) those who swallow the property of the orphans unjustly, surely they only swallow fire into their bellies and they shall enter burning fire. [4.11] Allah enjoins you concerning your children: The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females; then if they are more than two females, they shall have two-thirds of what the deceased has left, and if there is one, she shall have the half; and as for his parents, each of them shall have the sixth of what he has left if he has a child, but if he has no child and (only) his two parents inherit him, then his mother shall have the third; but if he has brothers, then his mother shall have the sixth after (the payment of) a bequest he may have bequeathed or a debt; your parents and your children, you know not which of them is the nearer to you in usefulness; this is an ordinance from Allah: Surely Allah is Knowing, Wise. [4.12] And you shall have half of what your wives leave if they have no child, but if they have a child, then you shall have a fourth of what they leave after (payment of) any bequest they may have bequeathed or a debt; and they shall have the fourth of what you leave if you have no child, but if you have a child then they shall have the eighth of what you leave after (payment of) a bequest you may have bequeathed or a debt; and if a man or a woman leaves property to be inherited by neither parents nor offspring, and he (or she) has a brother or a sister, then each of them two shall have the sixth, but if they are more than that, they shall be sharers in the third after (payment of) any bequest that may have been bequeathed or a debt that does not harm (others); this is an ordinance from Allah: and Allah is Knowing, Forbearing. [4.13] These are Allah's limits, and whoever obeys Allah and His Apostle, He will cause him to enter gardens beneath which rivers flow, to abide in them; and this is the great achievement. [4.14] And whoever disobeys Allah and His Apostle and goes beyond His limits, He will cause him to enter fire to abide in it, and he shall have an abasing chastisement. [4.15] And as for those who are guilty of an indecency from among your women, call to witnesses against them four (witnesses) from among you; then if they bear witness confine them to the houses until death takes them away or Allah opens some way for them. [4.16] And as for the two who are guilty of indecency from among you, give them both a punishment; then if they repent and amend, turn aside from them; surely Allah is Oft-returning (to mercy), the Merciful. [4.17] Repentance with Allah is only for those who do evil in ignorance, then turn (to Allah) soon, so these it is to whom Allah turns (mercifully), and Allah is ever Knowing, Wise. [4.18] And repentance is not for those who go on doing evil deeds, until when death comes to one of them, he says: Surely now I repent; nor (for) those who die while they are unbelievers. These are they for whom We have prepared a painful chastisement. [4.19] O you who believe! it is not lawful for you that you should take women as heritage against (their) will, and do not straiten them m order that you may take part of what you have given them, unless they are guilty of manifest indecency, and treat them kindly; then if you hate them, it may be that you dislike a thing while Allah has placed abundant good in it. [4.20] And if you wish to have (one) wife in place of another and you have given one of them a heap of gold, then take not from it anything; would you take it by slandering (her) and (doing her) manifest wrong? [4.21] And how can you take it when one of you has already gone in to the other and they have made with you a firm covenant? [4.22] And marry not woman whom your fathers married, except what has already passed; this surely is indecent and hateful, and it is an evil way. [4.23] Forbidden to you are your mothers and your daughters and your sisters and your paternal aunts and your maternal aunts and brothers' daughters and sisters' daughters and your mothers that have suckled you and your foster-sisters and mothers of your wives and your step-daughters who are in your guardianship, (born) of your wives to whom you have gone in, but if you have not gone in to them, there is no blame on you (in marrying them), and the wives of your sons who are of your own loins and that you should have two sisters together, except what has already passed; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. [4.24] And all married women except those whom your right hands possess (this is) Allah's ordinance to you, and lawful for you are (all women) besides those, provided that you seek (them) with your property, taking (them) in marriage not committing fornication. Then as to those whom you profit by, give them their dowries as appointed; and there is no blame on you about what you mutually agree after what is appointed; surely Allah is Knowing, Wise.
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 11:08:35 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Doggonit: The Women In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful. [4.1] O people! be careful of (your duty to) your Lord, Who created you from a single being and created its mate of the same (kind) and spread from these two, many men and women; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah, by Whom you demand one of another (your rights), and (to) the ties of relationship; surely Allah ever watches over you. [4.2] And give to the orphans their property, and do not substitute worthless (things) for (their) good (ones), and do not devour their property (as an addition) to your own property; this is surely a great crime. [4.3] And if you fear that you cannot act equitably towards orphans, then marry such women as seem good to you, two and three and four; but if you fear that you will not do justice (between them), then (marry) only one or what your right hands possess; this is more proper, that you may not deviate from the right course. [4.4] And give women their dowries as a free gift, but if they of themselves be pleased to give up to you a portion of it, then eat it with enjoyment and with wholesome result. [4.5] And do not give away your property which Allah has made for you a (means of) support to the weak of understanding, and maintain them out of (the profits of) it, and clothe them and speak to them words of honest advice. [4.6] And test the orphans until they attain puberty; then if you find in them maturity of intellect, make over to them their property, and do not consume it extravagantly and hastily, lest they attain to full age; and whoever is rich, let him abstain altogether, and whoever is poor, let him eat reasonably; then when you make over to them their property, call witnesses in their presence; and Allah is enough as a Reckoner. [4.7] Men shall have a portion of what the parents and the near relatives leave, and women shall have a portion of what the parents and the near relatives leave, whether there is little or much of it; a stated portion. [4.8] And when there are present at the division the relatives and the orphans and the needy, give them (something) out of it and speak to them kind words. [4.9] And let those fear who, should they leave behind them weakly offspring, would fear on their account, so let them be careful of (their duty to) Allah, and let them speak right words. [4.10] (As for) those who swallow the property of the orphans unjustly, surely they only swallow fire into their bellies and they shall enter burning fire. [4.11] Allah enjoins you concerning your children: The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females; then if they are more than two females, they shall have two-thirds of what the deceased has left, and if there is one, she shall have the half; and as for his parents, each of them shall have the sixth of what he has left if he has a child, but if he has no child and (only) his two parents inherit him, then his mother shall have the third; but if he has brothers, then his mother shall have the sixth after (the payment of) a bequest he may have bequeathed or a debt; your parents and your children, you know not which of them is the nearer to you in usefulness; this is an ordinance from Allah: Surely Allah is Knowing, Wise. [4.12] And you shall have half of what your wives leave if they have no child, but if they have a child, then you shall have a fourth of what they leave after (payment of) any bequest they may have bequeathed or a debt; and they shall have the fourth of what you leave if you have no child, but if you have a child then they shall have the eighth of what you leave after (payment of) a bequest you may have bequeathed or a debt; and if a man or a woman leaves property to be inherited by neither parents nor offspring, and he (or she) has a brother or a sister, then each of them two shall have the sixth, but if they are more than that, they shall be sharers in the third after (payment of) any bequest that may have been bequeathed or a debt that does not harm (others); this is an ordinance from Allah: and Allah is Knowing, Forbearing. [4.13] These are Allah's limits, and whoever obeys Allah and His Apostle, He will cause him to enter gardens beneath which rivers flow, to abide in them; and this is the great achievement. [4.14] And whoever disobeys Allah and His Apostle and goes beyond His limits, He will cause him to enter fire to abide in it, and he shall have an abasing chastisement. [4.15] And as for those who are guilty of an indecency from among your women, call to witnesses against them four (witnesses) from among you; then if they bear witness confine them to the houses until death takes them away or Allah opens some way for them. [4.16] And as for the two who are guilty of indecency from among you, give them both a punishment; then if they repent and amend, turn aside from them; surely Allah is Oft-returning (to mercy), the Merciful. [4.17] Repentance with Allah is only for those who do evil in ignorance, then turn (to Allah) soon, so these it is to whom Allah turns (mercifully), and Allah is ever Knowing, Wise. [4.18] And repentance is not for those who go on doing evil deeds, until when death comes to one of them, he says: Surely now I repent; nor (for) those who die while they are unbelievers. These are they for whom We have prepared a painful chastisement. [4.19] O you who believe! it is not lawful for you that you should take women as heritage against (their) will, and do not straiten them m order that you may take part of what you have given them, unless they are guilty of manifest indecency, and treat them kindly; then if you hate them, it may be that you dislike a thing while Allah has placed abundant good in it. [4.20] And if you wish to have (one) wife in place of another and you have given one of them a heap of gold, then take not from it anything; would you take it by slandering (her) and (doing her) manifest wrong? [4.21] And how can you take it when one of you has already gone in to the other and they have made with you a firm covenant? [4.22] And marry not woman whom your fathers married, except what has already passed; this surely is indecent and hateful, and it is an evil way. [4.23] Forbidden to you are your mothers and your daughters and your sisters and your paternal aunts and your maternal aunts and brothers' daughters and sisters' daughters and your mothers that have suckled you and your foster-sisters and mothers of your wives and your step-daughters who are in your guardianship, (born) of your wives to whom you have gone in, but if you have not gone in to them, there is no blame on you (in marrying them), and the wives of your sons who are of your own loins and that you should have two sisters together, except what has already passed; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. [4.24] And all married women except those whom your right hands possess (this is) Allah's ordinance to you, and lawful for you are (all women) besides those, provided that you seek (them) with your property, taking (them) in marriage not committing fornication. Then as to those whom you profit by, give them their dowries as appointed; and there is no blame on you about what you mutually agree after what is appointed; surely Allah is Knowing, Wise.
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That's too much to read. what does it say.. women are property, rules for dowries, limits on how many wives you can have?
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 11:13:07 AM EDT
[img]http://islam.org/mosque/arabicscript/3_9/4_1-2.gif[/img] [img]http://islam.org/mosque/arabicscript/3_9/4_3-5.gif[/img] [img]http://islam.org/mosque/arabicscript/3_9/4_6-7.gif[/img] [img]http://islam.org/mosque/arabicscript/3_9/4_8-10.gif[/img] [img]http://islam.org/mosque/arabicscript/3_9/4_11-11.gif[/img] [img]http://islam.org/mosque/arabicscript/3_9/4_12-12.gif[/img] [img]http://islam.org/mosque/arabicscript/3_9/4_13-15.gif[/img] [img]http://islam.org/mosque/arabicscript/3_9/4_16-18.gif[/img] [img]http://islam.org/mosque/arabicscript/3_9/4_19-21.gif[/img] [img]http://islam.org/mosque/arabicscript/3_9/4_22-22.gif[/img] [img]http://islam.org/mosque/arabicscript/3_9/4_23-24.gif[/img] WOW!!! And that was only verses 1 thru 24 of the 4th Sura which has 176 verses!!! And there are 114 Suras!!!! I thought that the bible was a big book.... Lets see: 114 Suras * an average of 100 verses per Sura (The later Suras have fewer verses as little as 20 or so) * about a good 15 words on average per verse (again later verses are shorter) equals a staggering 170,000+ (Probably closer to 180,000 and perhaps even more) words!!! CRAZY PEOPLE!!! And the Imams are supposed to be able to recite ALL of this! Insane! They learn the whole thing for years and years and then they have to recite it all to the chief imams to see if they learned it well enough! Crazy... the recitation prob. takes more than 10 hours, who knows, maybe even a day?
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 11:14:09 AM EDT
HERE COMES THE GOOD PART: According to one article learning the whole Koran and being able to recite AND explain each Sura from memory takes a good 12+ years! Ouch! And I thought a PhD takes a long time! Quote from Qu-ran school in Pakiland (Next stop of the World Terrorism Tour 2003! Tickets on sale at nearby Air Force bases! Get the "Bush and the Boyz" t-shirt if you buy 4 tickets!): ________________________________________________ Asked where he finds his students, Samad grimaced in disdain. "I do not find them," he said. "They find me. They come to me for their studies. Some are brought by their parents. Some are orphans and they're brought by relatives." "I wanted to come," said Abdul, his gold and white-embroidered pillbox cap covered with a printed shawl and wrapped around his thin shoulders. "I didn't want to study the regular school course. It's too difficult." Many madrassas teach nothing but religious studies. Others, like Jamiat-ul-Arabia, teach math, science, Urdu and social studies as well, but the time devoted to such secular subjects is minimal and the curriculum is rudimentary at best. Samad is contemptuous of Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf's recent decision to increase the amount of secular education dispensed by the madrassas. "We will resist it," he said. "We have our own religious curriculum and, as for other education, the subjects we are teaching are enough." ________________________________________________ Ok man, I bet you dont know what 12 times 4 is. Loser. ________________________________________________ The education at the school may be free, but it is rigorous, providing for a grueling 12-hour day. The boys rise at 4 a.m. and study the Koran until they break for the first prayer of the day in the school's mosque at about 6:30 a.m. After that, they return to their studies until 8:30 a.m., when they get a half-hour for breakfast, which is prepared in the school's kitchen on a blazing wood fire. Then it's back to the classroom until noon, when they say the second prayer of the day, eat lunch and nap until 2 p.m. After their nap, they return to the classroom and remain there until the third prayer of the day at about 4 p.m. From then until the fourth prayer of the day at about 6:30 p.m., they study secular subjects, according to Samad. For the next two hours, until the last prayer at around 8:30 p.m., they get a mix of religious and secular classes. They have dinner and go to bed around 9 p.m. ________________________________________________ Suckers, the article mentioned that the guy has 500-600 kids who want to be there but he only has room for 150. What a bunch of losers. The dude running the school goes on to vomit this: ________________________________________________ The most important goal of Jamiat-ul-Arabia is to assure that each student has memorized the entire Koran and can recite its poetic verses with perfect rhythm and pronunciation. This feat is achieved by constant recitation, producing a cacophony in the room as the students simultaneously recite aloud from different sections of the book while hypnotically bobbing back and forth in their seats. "We call this manzil," said Samad, casting an approving look over the robotic, Babel-like scene from the doorway. Women are not permitted to set foot either in the classroom or in the mosque. He insisted that 150 children speaking at once was not confusing and underscored the importance of the incessant recital. "This is the quality of the Koran, that it can be learned by heart. If you try to learn the Torah or the Bible, it's very hard to learn by heart. This is the quality that God has granted to the Koran," he said, referring to the poetic nature of the verses. ________________________________________________ Yeah ok loser, maybe other people have a life and think that doing things to make the world a better place is more usefull than being to recite some drivel which comes nowhere near the the Torah in age, etc. The whole Qu-ran thing is so made up and is so recent (compared to the Old Testament and the Torah) that it is not even funny. What an ass: "I can sing my little songy while I molest young boys, but you can't!" Shut up finally and kill yourself, please! Finally, the last part of the article says: ________________________________________________ Meanwhile, he regrets that he [some boy the reporter talked to] was not old enough to fight in Afghanistan against the Americans, he said. "They are cruel. They are doing bad things to Muslims. It is our duty to fight. It is a part of Islam," he said. Asked if he feared being killed, he smiled. "No, I'm not afraid. I'm afraid only of God," he said. In any event, the greatest honor would be to die defending Islam, he said. "They are called shaheedan," he said of the martyrs. "They go straight to paradise. Direct." In Abdul's view, there is no religion but Islam, and there is no possibility of Muslims peacefully coexisting with people of any other religion, particularly Jews and Christians. "Our religion is separate," he said with finality. This is what he is taught at the madrassa, a view fervently echoed by his teacher Samad. Osama bin Laden, Samad insists, is not a terrorist and certainly did not mastermind the Sept. 11 attacks on America. "If he had the means for such an action, he would have much more before that," said Samad. He saw no contradiction in adding, "Muslims would never do such a thing. Muslims would never kill an innocent person." Asked if he had any idea of who had attacked America, he said, "According to my thinking, I say it was done by Jews and the Jewish lobby there." Currently, all of his students are too young to fight a jihad, but probably some of his former students had fought with the Taliban in Afghanistan, he said with pride. "It is the duty of Muslims to go and fight with the Taliban against the America," Samad said firmly. "The Koran, from beginning to end, teaches us about jihad." Abdul has learned this lesson well. Asked if he would be willing to kill the American visitor with whom he has been chatting, he smiled sweetly and said, "Yes." ________________________________________________ I would have taken out my big Saxon short sword and would have stabbed right through him, then cut up, across, down, and across again to just completely cut him up and make my intestines fall out. Then I would have grabbed his AK47 and would have unloaded it right into his head, all 30 rounds. That would be a good imam, a dead one. What a friggin' fanatical ass bunch. I think we should give the Pope an army and start a last crusade to totally whipe out every mosque and every imam and every radical dumbass. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/specials/chi-0112230370dec23.story
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I just don't see how that freedom of religion clause in the Constitution only applies to some people. Them forefathers sure did a bad job wording it. What good is this going to do? She gets pulled over for speeding, you think the cop is going to make her remove her veil? That'd be a Johnnie Cockran size lawsuit. I read a little of that run on sentence above and I gotta say, even being not very religious, this is plain wrong: "[4.22] And marry not woman whom your fathers married, except what has already passed; this surely is indecent and hateful, and it is an evil way." You can't bang your step mom until your dad divorces her/dies? Fortunately, they clarify further down that you should not take her if she has suckled you. Glad they clarified that point.
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 12:16:31 PM EDT
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I don't even know why FL let her have it on in the first place for her first DL.
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 12:24:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By rileyindy: I just don't see how that freedom of religion clause in the Constitution only applies to some people. Them forefathers sure did a bad job wording it. What good is this going to do? She gets pulled over for speeding, you think the cop is going to make her remove her veil? That'd be a Johnnie Cockran size lawsuit.
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Screw that!! If I was wearing a mask, and got pulled over, I would have to take it off for the cop to I.D. me. She should have to also. Driving is a privilege. Not a right.
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 12:27:40 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SeaDweller: I don't even know why FL let her have it on in the first place for her first DL.
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If I can locate the story I'll post it. [red][b]It was due to an inept examiner.[/b][/red] .....imagine that. [rolleyes]
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 12:35:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By osprey21:
Originally Posted By SeaDweller: I don't even know why FL let her have it on in the first place for her first DL.
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If I can locate the story I'll post it. [red][b]It was due to an inept examiner.[/b][/red] .....imagine that. [rolleyes]
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What a moron. I hope they canned that fool.
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 12:37:11 PM EDT
i can understand why she wanted to keep that veil on. She's so ugly that I wouldn't even look at her is she was dancing naked in front of me.
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Link Posted: 6/6/2003 12:54:05 PM EDT
Good God she's ugly, put that veil back on, for the good of the children.... MournSword
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 1:04:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Dredd308: Screw that!! If I was wearing a mask, and got pulled over, I would have to take it off for the cop to I.D. me. She should have to also. Driving is a privilege. Not a right.
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It has nothing to do with driving. I didn't say she was exempt from traffic laws. Religion is a right. If it is her belief that she cannot expose her face in public, the state has no business forcing her to. FL isn't the only state that did the no picture thing. I've seen CA ids without pics. It was a solid background with words to the effect that the ID was valid without a picture. Don't you guys see that this is just another notch in the government using 9/11 to take more rights from the people? "State officials contend that, in light of the September 11 attacks, it is crucial that all motorists now be photographed in an unadorned state." What a bunch of sheep.
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 1:09:18 PM EDT
A fellow RKBA advocate on another DiscUssion forum that will remain nameless pointed out that an ACLU representative said this about that: [b]"So we have to infringe on Freeman's religious beliefs because of what someone else might do," ACLU legal director Randall C. Marshall said. "It seems to be a funny kind of interpretation on how the law should apply."[/b] Is this not EXACTLY what pro-gun people have been saying about anti-gun legislation for decades? That said, driving is a privilege and not a Constitutional right. If she wants to drive she can show us her mug, otherwise she can take the bus.
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 1:14:59 PM EDT
One thing that I find ironic is that she is demanding these concessions, her "rights" in her eyes, in the land of the infidels. If she really wants to make a statement I recommend that she go to Saudi Arabia and demand a driver's license. Then she can see how her beloved Islam treats her without the protections of the U.S. Constitution.
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 1:16:21 PM EDT
All I know is that I, as a woman, would have to don not only a veil, but an entire burka in some countries when I visit them. Our country, when asked to stand up for women who do not want to wear these things, have told American women that we must observe the ways of that country, since it is I who have decided to visit there. And, I agree. If that woman wants to live like a prisoner, she can move to Saudi Arabia, or any other country that allows such degredation. She should find the first religious Imam she can to perform a female circumcision on her, and should also stop driving, and should not leave the house without her husband or a male relative near her, as this also violates her supposed religion. If she does these things, she should submit to a public stoning, and peacefully sit by as her brother throws battery acid on her for allowing one of her fingernails to show. It is this ridiculous sensitivity to muslims that allowed Elizabeth Smart to remain a captive and sex slave of that horrible man for 9 months. As far as I'm concerned, if you want to come to this country, you better be ready to submit yourself to OUR customs. After all, it is YOU who decided to come here.
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 1:19:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Brohawk: One thing that I find ironic is that she is demanding these concessions, her "rights" in her eyes, in the land of the infidels. If she really wants to make a statement I recommend that she go to Saudi Arabia and demand a driver's license. Then she can see how her beloved Islam treats her without the protections of the U.S. Constitution.
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By the way.......don't women lose their rights according to the brand of Islam she supposedly adheres to? Since this is the case, she has no rights, and therefore has no ability to contest anything...hmmmm.....
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