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Posted: 9/21/2004 6:15:56 PM EST
I just noticed (for the second time now, wasn't sure the first time) that the individual standing behind Jack Hensley has an AR-15!!!! I assume this was stolen, or aquired through some other inappropriate means?!

In addition to beheading innocent Americans, are these individuals using our own guns against us?!

WTF!!!

Am I missing something?

M590man
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 6:17:57 PM EST
How old are you?
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 6:18:08 PM EST

Originally Posted By M590man:
I just noticed (for the second time now, wasn't sure the first time) that the individual standing behind Jack Hensley has an AR-15!!!! I assume this was stolen, or aquired through some other inappropriate means?!

In addition to beheading innocent Americans, are these individuals using our own guns against us?!

WTF!!!

Am I missing something?

M590man



Duh... Did you read this before you posted it.

Of course they are using our own rifles and whatever they can get their hands on.

What did you expect a rifle truce.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 6:18:22 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/21/2004 6:19:47 PM EST by DzlBenz]
Uh, yep. War is hell, you know.

Group Threatens to Kill Hostages (with an M-16)


Link Posted: 9/21/2004 6:19:23 PM EST
Those would be M16s, not AR15s. Sheesh, just what we need, some one claiming that the scum are using rifles that WERE formerly banned in this country.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 6:19:43 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/21/2004 6:20:38 PM EST by Greg3]
Actually they are M16 A2's and they may very well be marked "US Property"

LARRYG, beat me to it.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 6:21:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By deimos:
How old are you?




+1
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 6:22:44 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 6:29:05 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/21/2004 6:29:59 PM EST by Tortfeasor]

Originally Posted By LARRYG:
Those would be M16s, not AR15s. Sheesh, just what we need, some one claiming that the scum are using rifles that WERE formerly banned in this country.



I thought it was an M-4.

EDIT - you are right, not an M-4 - just saw stock...
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 6:30:12 PM EST
I apologize if I seem uninformed. I'm 38, never seen service, new to the AR community (been an AR enthusiast for 1.5 years since I built my first one), but had never seen until now the rifle of our choice brandished against us. I guess I was always under the impression that these individuals used foreign (re: european) arms obtained from previous conflicts.

Thinking back, this was a very shortsighted assumption. War is war and I assume nobody questions the tools they are given when sent to somewhere they could potentially lose their lives.

I hope this all comes to a head when GW gets re-elected.

Very tired of watching the "Politically Correct" war when we (correction - the Democrats) seem to be the only ones concerned about the general impression.

M590man

Link Posted: 9/21/2004 6:32:35 PM EST
It looks like an m16a4 cause it has a foregrip Bastards
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 6:35:58 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 6:42:25 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 6:47:36 PM EST

Originally Posted By M590man:
I apologize if I seem uninformed. I'm 38, never seen service, new to the AR community (been an AR enthusiast for 1.5 years since I built my first one), but had never seen until now the rifle of our choice brandished against us. I guess I was always under the impression that these individuals used foreign (re: european) arms obtained from previous conflicts.

Thinking back, this was a very shortsighted assumption. War is war and I assume nobody questions the tools they are given when sent to somewhere they could potentially lose their lives.

I hope this all comes to a head when GW gets re-elected.

Very tired of watching the "Politically Correct" war when we (correction - the Democrats) seem to be the only ones concerned about the general impression.

M590man




Dont worry about it man. It has become the norm around here to trash anybody that does not ask the perfect question, form the perfect sentence, use the correct puntuation, and so on. Not only that, but it has become the norm to be a dickhead at all times. Now, just remember to be a dickhead back, but do not be mean to any religions. Got it?
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 6:51:07 PM EST
I know what you mean, if it doesn't make you sick enough knowing every time you see a hostage picture that they poor guy is going to lose his head, I always seem to think again about the poor soldier that lost his life before the terrorist picked up his weapon...........I just don't understand why the citizens are not doing more to help the US forces. So many were happy when we captured Saddam, we are trying to spend BILLIONS of dollars rebuilding their infastructure......I know why they hate us.........but you would think that they would take the BILLIONS in free aid and construction, play dumb, let us get out of town, and they take over the country again. Why does it always seem that terrorist's want poverty and despair........oh.......just answered my own question.......because poverty and despair breeds more terrorist's.....and thats what they want....
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 6:54:30 PM EST
Too bad, I was hoping the Iraqis would continue to use AK's w/o stocks to give our guys a better chance.

(Put flame suit on) Luckily, the Iraqi BG's will be unable to keep it functioning since the M-16 seizes up the first time it ever sees a sand storm. (Just kidding!)
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 7:46:34 PM EST

I can just hear Kerry saying, "Because of the sunset of the Assault Weapons Ban, terrorists are now using Assualt rifles against us." I would even bet that he'll say they came from Gun Shows.




I don't know where those terrorists got their hands on M-16's, but I, personally, would love it if I was able to take them away from them, along with something else.

My God give peace to those 3 poor guys.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 7:55:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By Lightning_P38:

Originally Posted By Greg3:
Actually they are M16 A2's and they may very well be marked "US Property"

LARRYG, beat me to it.



I imagine it will be reclaimed by its rightful owners sooner or later, and I am sure they will pry it from his cold dead hands.





Come Nov. 3rd, their asses are grass. The president will take the leash off.[

(thieir = terrorists)
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 7:56:34 PM EST
I noticed the same thing about the rifle.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 7:59:11 PM EST
I have seen pics of them with everything we have. 249, M4, MP5.. Everything accept the tanks and air support.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 9:11:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By dave223:

Originally Posted By M590man:
I apologize if I seem uninformed. I'm 38, never seen service, new to the AR community (been an AR enthusiast for 1.5 years since I built my first one), but had never seen until now the rifle of our choice brandished against us. I guess I was always under the impression that these individuals used foreign (re: european) arms obtained from previous conflicts.

Thinking back, this was a very shortsighted assumption. War is war and I assume nobody questions the tools they are given when sent to somewhere they could potentially lose their lives.

I hope this all comes to a head when GW gets re-elected.

Very tired of watching the "Politically Correct" war when we (correction - the Democrats) seem to be the only ones concerned about the general impression.

M590man




Dont worry about it man. It has become the norm around here to trash anybody that does not ask the perfect question, form the perfect sentence, use the correct puntuation, and so on. Not only that, but it has become the norm to be a dickhead at all times. Now, just remember to be a dickhead back, but do not be mean to any religions. Got it?



Yeah, you must be puurrrfect, or else. Got that.

You are wrong about one thing, dave. The only religion we cannot bash is Islam. All others are wide open.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 9:12:43 PM EST

Originally Posted By M590man:
I apologize if I seem uninformed. I'm 38, never seen service, new to the AR community (been an AR enthusiast for 1.5 years since I built my first one), but had never seen until now the rifle of our choice brandished against us. I guess I was always under the impression that these individuals used foreign (re: european) arms obtained from previous conflicts.

Thinking back, this was a very shortsighted assumption. War is war and I assume nobody questions the tools they are given when sent to somewhere they could potentially lose their lives.

I hope this all comes to a head when GW gets re-elected.

Very tired of watching the "Politically Correct" war when we (correction - the Democrats) seem to be the only ones concerned about the general impression.

M590man


My point, which you still do not seem to have gotten, is these are M16s, not AR15s.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 9:13:45 PM EST

Originally Posted By NightWatchman:
It looks like an m16a4 cause it has a foregrip Bastards



WTF do foregrips have to do with an M16 being an A4? What makes an M16 be an A4 is it being a flattop.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 9:16:37 PM EST

Originally Posted By newbushmaster:

Originally Posted By Lightning_P38:

Originally Posted By Greg3:
Actually they are M16 A2's and they may very well be marked "US Property"

LARRYG, beat me to it.



I imagine it will be reclaimed by its rightful owners sooner or later, and I am sure they will pry it from his cold dead hands.





Come Nov. 3rd, their asses are grass. The president will take the leash off.[

(thieir = terrorists)



Whether he wins or loses. If he loses, not only does it mean the end of our country (kerry as pres would be an unmitigated disaster), but it also means he has most of 3 months to unleash the boys over there.

When he wins, he will have 4 years to unleash the dogs. and not worry about the soccer moms because he won't have to face them again.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 9:25:14 PM EST

Originally Posted By M590man:
I apologize if I seem uninformed. I'm 38, never seen service, new to the AR community (been an AR enthusiast for 1.5 years since I built my first one), but had never seen until now the rifle of our choice brandished against us. I guess I was always under the impression that these individuals used foreign (re: european) arms obtained from previous conflicts.




The VC were making use of M-16 (and AR-15s, I'm sure) back in the '60s.

In the '80s, the Marxists in El Salvador were using M-16s, calling them "gifts from Reagan". In fact, were early M-16s/AR-15s with Vietnam era S/Ns--gifts from communist Vietnam.

In the 60s and 70s, ARs were very popular with the IRA, they even had a song "Me Little Armalite".

Link Posted: 9/21/2004 9:25:53 PM EST

Originally Posted By LARRYG:

Originally Posted By NightWatchman:
It looks like an m16a4 cause it has a foregrip Bastards



WTF do foregrips have to do with an M16 being an A4? What makes an M16 be an A4 is it being a flattop.



Flattop and rails, the Marines use a4s often with a foregrip so it is likely an a4. could it be an a2 with a forgrip? yes but there are tons of marine a4s with the foregrip on the rail. Besides I think I can make out the rail covers but we need a better shot to be sure.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 10:19:39 PM EST
Those "AR-15's" were bought at U.S. Gun Shows because the AWB was not renewed. That's where ALL Terrorist get weapons. It must be true, 'cause I saw it on TV.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 10:32:54 PM EST

Originally Posted By NightWatchman:

Originally Posted By LARRYG:

Originally Posted By NightWatchman:
It looks like an m16a4 cause it has a foregrip Bastards



WTF do foregrips have to do with an M16 being an A4? What makes an M16 be an A4 is it being a flattop.



Flattop and rails, the Marines use a4s often with a foregrip so it is likely an a4. could it be an a2 with a forgrip? yes but there are tons of marine a4s with the foregrip on the rail. Besides I think I can make out the rail covers but we need a better shot to be sure.



I see no foregrip. I do see a carry handle. A2.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 10:33:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By M590man:
Thinking back, this was a very shortsighted assumption. War is war and I assume nobody questions the tools they are given when sent to somewhere they could potentially lose their lives.




Think back a little further to when the US was supplying arms to Iraq to fight against Iran
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 11:18:21 PM EST

Originally Posted By chrome1:

Originally Posted By M590man:
Thinking back, this was a very shortsighted assumption. War is war and I assume nobody questions the tools they are given when sent to somewhere they could potentially lose their lives.




Think back a little further to when the US was supplying arms to Iraq to fight against Iran



I keep hearing this, but were were the US tanks and US aircraft that we supposedly supplied them?

If someone can document us arming Saddam, I would like to see it. Why were Iraqi troops armed with AKs if this is a fact?
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 11:21:39 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 11:22:39 PM EST

Originally Posted By dave223:


Dont worry about it man. It has become the norm around here to trash anybody that does not ask the perfect question, form the perfect sentence, use the correct puntuation, and so on. Not only that, but it has become the norm to be a dickhead at all times. Now, just remember to be a dickhead back, but do not be mean to any religions. Got it?



Very good but you left out "taking the perfect dinner pic" .
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 6:47:29 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/22/2004 6:51:59 AM EST by Rabid_Coyote]
screw it
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 6:50:23 AM EST

Originally Posted By newbushmaster:

Originally Posted By Lightning_P38:

Originally Posted By Greg3:
Actually they are M16 A2's and they may very well be marked "US Property"

LARRYG, beat me to it.



I imagine it will be reclaimed by its rightful owners sooner or later, and I am sure they will pry it from his cold dead hands.





Come Nov. 3rd, their asses are grass. The president will take the leash off.

(thieir = terrorists)



God speed the Day!

This is my honest belief, also
.
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 7:00:14 AM EST
Is that really that suprising, the US has been supplying arms to many countries worldwide, all it takes is a couple corrupt people to sell those weapons to the highest bidder. Common sense there pal.
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 7:07:43 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 7:09:10 AM EST

Originally Posted By Lightning_P38:

Originally Posted By Greg3:
Actually they are M16 A2's and they may very well be marked "US Property"

LARRYG, beat me to it.



I imagine it will be reclaimed by its rightful owners sooner or later, and I am sure they will pry it from his cold dead hands.



After the TOW or JDAM hit's 'em the M16 may be in in pieces!

Oh well it will be worth it!

BigDozer66
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 7:11:46 AM EST

Originally Posted By LARRYG:

Originally Posted By chrome1:

Originally Posted By M590man:
Thinking back, this was a very shortsighted assumption. War is war and I assume nobody questions the tools they are given when sent to somewhere they could potentially lose their lives.




Think back a little further to when the US was supplying arms to Iraq to fight against Iran



I keep hearing this, but were were the US tanks and US aircraft that we supposedly supplied them?

If someone can document us arming Saddam, I would like to see it. Why were Iraqi troops armed with AKs if this is a fact?



I believe we were arming Iran in the Iran/Iraq affair.

Or was it the Iran/???? affair that we armed the Iranian people?

BigDozer66
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 6:15:06 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/22/2004 6:16:44 PM EST by LARRYG]

Originally Posted By GTOJudge885:
Is that really that suprising, the US has been supplying arms to many countries worldwide, all it takes is a couple corrupt people to sell those weapons to the highest bidder. Common sense there pal.



I am not your pal, bub.

I know we have sold arms to countries around the world, but I was referring to one specific country, dimbulb.
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 8:40:21 PM EST
Chances are, most of the support was monetary, funded by CIA, etc.

Think about what the Soviets reaction would have been if M16s and american made tanks showed up on the evening news in Iraq, in the '80s. Who knows what they would have done to help Iran win. Just give Iraq the cash, let the buy AKs and RPGs at $50 a pop.

All the while we were/are supporting Israel. I think the world would want to know wtf we were doing.

This M16 was most likely looted off of a destroyed Humvee or transport truck. The media also reported that the house these guys were kidnapped from had a large amount of firearms and ammo stored for the security guards who lived there.
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 9:00:02 PM EST

Originally Posted By dave223:

Don't worry about it man. It has become the norm TYPICAL around here to trash DISCOURAGE anybodyONE that does not ask the perfect question, form the perfect sentence, use the correct puntuationPUNCTUATION, and so on. Not only that, but it has become the norm to be a dickhead CRANIUM -O-PENIS at all times. Now, just remember to be a dickhead back, but do not be mean to any religions. Got itUNDERSTAND?



WHAT A F*CKING ILLITARATE ILLITURATE ILETERATE STUPID GROUP OF INDIFIDUALS INDIVIDULES INDAVEDULES PEOPLE WE HAVE HERE!
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 9:08:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By LARRYG:
I see no foregrip. I do see a carry handle. A2.



I'm pretty sure his left hand is on the foregrip, but he could be faking it
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 9:10:51 PM EST



It's a shame that we don't give them some reloads, I would love to see his face after a KaBoom. It can be marked in a way that our guys would know not to use it. Same thing with the AK ammo, pull back and leave a couple of cases here and there.


Link Posted: 9/22/2004 9:51:21 PM EST

Originally Posted By LARRYG:

Originally Posted By chrome1:

Originally Posted By M590man:
Thinking back, this was a very shortsighted assumption. War is war and I assume nobody questions the tools they are given when sent to somewhere they could potentially lose their lives.




Think back a little further to when the US was supplying arms to Iraq to fight against Iran



I keep hearing this, but were were the US tanks and US aircraft that we supposedly supplied them?

If someone can document us arming Saddam, I would like to see it. Why were Iraqi troops armed with AKs if this is a fact?



HAWK missile batteries, and other weapons WERE sent to Iraq to keep IRAN from winning the war...

However, they use AKs because they were originally supplied with AKs by the russians, back when Saddam was still a Stalinist revolutionary...

The Russians supplied the Baath Party as a socialist client regime...

I don't think we ever gave Iraq much more than SAMs and some vehicles/arty....

Definately not rifles, however ARs were available over there (Saddam & sons had several each) pre-invasion....
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