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Posted: 7/1/2012 11:26:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/3/2012 2:01:35 PM EDT by hondaciv]
Video Link 1

Video Link 2

This is pretty messed up.  Those guys never had a chance given their state of readiness.

ETA:  New video showing raids on the AQ suppressor assassination teams.

Video Link  Thanks to Gooseboy on page 6 for the link
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 11:29:47 AM EDT
fuck those terrorists

worthless cunts
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 11:33:06 AM EDT
Not watching the vids cause I am on hughesnet
But are they probably doing what is tactically correct and what I would do?

CP
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 11:34:17 AM EDT

That's pretty brazen and bold, especially for the cameraman to rock up behind his shooter buddy and record/release the footage.



Keep doing that and the Iraqi soldiers might start getting more twitchy and catch on to them.

Link Posted: 7/1/2012 11:34:38 AM EDT
Originally Posted By cpermd:
Not watching the vids cause I am on hughesnet
But are they probably doing what is tactically correct and what I would do?

CP


I'm not military, but if I was an insurgent/terrorist, it makes sense to me.

Basically zooming up on check points or guard shacks that only have a few guys in them, jump out and kill them all with silenced weapons, and take all their gear.
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 11:35:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/1/2012 11:35:23 AM EDT by Matt_The_Hokie]
Can anyone ID the guns used. Thought one looked like a Glock.
 
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 11:35:43 AM EDT
ya got to stand in the hole ya dig
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 11:36:15 AM EDT
Tag for home viewing
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 11:36:26 AM EDT
Obviously the audio quality is poor, but I believe that well trained soldiers would recognize suppressed weapons fire.  It isn't perfectly silent.

Also, those guys didn't look that ready.  Most were sleeping.
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 11:36:50 AM EDT
At about 1:40 of the second video (link), it looks like one of the Muj hit guys gets himself a nice new set of body armour, complete with mags and gear.
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 11:37:45 AM EDT
They didn't have a state of readiness.  They let their guard down and paid with their lives.
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 11:37:51 AM EDT
Sometimes epic fail cost you more than your dignity.
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 11:38:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By surplusnut:
fuck those terrorists

worthless cunts


Link Posted: 7/1/2012 11:38:24 AM EDT
Do they just basically go around doing drive-bys on checkpoints and stuff?
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 11:39:22 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Matt_The_Hokie:
Can anyone ID the guns used. Thought one looked like a Glock.  


It looked like a glock to me also
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 11:42:55 AM EDT



Originally Posted By wtturn:


Do they just basically go around doing drive-bys on checkpoints and stuff?

Not just shooting from the cars, but also driving up (wearing inconspicuous civilian attire) to checkpoints and guard huts, running out swiftly and 'decisively', and shoot the guards that are on duty, then the ones sleeping/sitting in the guard huts.




I'm just a civilian with no military experience, so you guys with experience can tell me how wrong I am, but they actually looked reasonably slick.


Though the Iraqi guards did seem pretty much oblivious, to be fair. They may well have been paying too little attention.



 
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 11:43:25 AM EDT
Religion of peace at work.


 
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 11:45:37 AM EDT
Fuck Iraq.
 
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 11:50:22 AM EDT
Most of those look like SoI check points.  Dude are just glorified neighborhood watch.

Link Posted: 7/1/2012 11:51:00 AM EDT
Spend a day on, day off every day checking ID's for a year.  One day someone rolls up and shoots you in the face.



Thus is life in the IA.
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 11:52:58 AM EDT
They are even more brave when you have your hands tied behind your back....

Link Posted: 7/1/2012 11:53:18 AM EDT
Originally Posted By rwbow1969:
They didn't have a state of readiness.  They let their guard down and paid with their lives.


+1 Hopefully that lesson will not be lost on others

Link Posted: 7/1/2012 11:58:13 AM EDT




Originally Posted By Rotors-R-Cool:



Also, those guys didn't look that ready. Most were sleeping.


Pretty typical of the IA and IP.

Link Posted: 7/1/2012 11:58:55 AM EDT



Originally Posted By SnapNshoot:



Originally Posted By rwbow1969:

They didn't have a state of readiness.  They let their guard down and paid with their lives.




+1 Hopefully that lesson will not be lost on others





It will be. Iraqis are goddamn ignorant and fucking retarded.



 
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 12:00:14 PM EDT
Swiftly done
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 12:02:53 PM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 12:03:15 PM EDT
"Now I have a machine gun Ho Ho Ho Dirka Dirka Dirka"
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 12:05:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/1/2012 12:06:48 PM EDT by Sharpshooter]
you get caught with yer pants down and someone will take advantage. My impression of Iraqi's were that they were lazy and lacked attention to detail.  Hell they did not even like getting up before 8 am to work or train.
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 12:05:23 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Banditman:
Religion of peace at work.
 


Yep. Every time some heinous act is committed allah akbar is spoken or shouted. Someday its going to net a pavlovian response.
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 12:08:03 PM EDT
It sucks but it seems to be an effective tactic.
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 12:11:27 PM EDT
It appears that they know what they are doing, wonder who trained them??
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 12:15:31 PM EDT
since when is the mujahideen in iraq?
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 12:15:43 PM EDT
That's pretty messed up. We leave and pretty much the tribes go at it again, only a matter of time for the government to crumble. Iraq needs a dictator.
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 12:17:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Dunragit:
since when is the mujahideen in iraq?


Are you being sarcastic?
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 12:18:47 PM EDT
Most of the guard shacks didn't even have someone outside of them on watch. Just a bunch of guys sitting/sleeping inside.
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 12:19:58 PM EDT
Coming to Afghanistan...........the IA are wortheless..........however, the ANA are even more worthless, and I expect to see videos like this whenever we finally hit the eject button on Afghanistan.
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 12:21:15 PM EDT
Clearly they need more gun laws in Iraq.
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 12:21:23 PM EDT


get in, hit hard and fast and get the fuck out.



standard guerilla tactics ?





Link Posted: 7/1/2012 12:21:29 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 12:23:41 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Cromlech:

Originally Posted By wtturn:
Do they just basically go around doing drive-bys on checkpoints and stuff?
Not just shooting from the cars, but also driving up (wearing inconspicuous civilian attire) to checkpoints and guard huts, running out swiftly and 'decisively', and shoot the guards that are on duty, then the ones sleeping/sitting in the guard huts.


I'm just a civilian with no military experience, so you guys with experience can tell me how wrong I am, but they actually looked reasonably slick.

Though the Iraqi guards did seem pretty much oblivious, to be fair. They may well have been paying too little attention.

 


Tactics and bullets go both ways.  People forget that and people die.
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 12:23:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/1/2012 12:24:10 PM EDT by Harvey041]
Originally Posted By Slavac:
Why were the IA guys asleep during the middle of the damn day with one guy (unarmed I think) standing watch?
 


Cause that's how they are. Very lazy and very poorly trained. At least from what I saw when I was over there.
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 12:25:30 PM EDT



Originally Posted By Slavac:

Why were the IA guys asleep during the middle of the damn day with one guy (unarmed I think) standing watch?

 

Based upon my research here (seeing posts from guys that have BTDT unlike me ):




Because they are Iraqis/Afghans/Arabs/-Insert Middle East type here-








 
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 12:26:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Harvey041:
Originally Posted By Slavac:
Why were the IA guys asleep during the middle of the damn day with one guy (unarmed I think) standing watch?
 


Cause that's how they are. Very lazy and very poorly trained. At least from what I saw when I was over there.


It really is a culture thing beyond just being lazy.  Since they all believe Inshallah, they believe completely every outcome is god's will so they have no true influence on what they do.

Link Posted: 7/1/2012 12:26:20 PM EDT
I hate to admit it, but that was a pretty slick operation.
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 12:26:30 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Harvey041:
Most of the guard shacks didn't even have someone outside of them on watch. Just a bunch of guys sitting/sleeping inside.


Even the guy who had a rifle at hand was slow to respond.
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 12:27:29 PM EDT



Originally Posted By Harvey041:



Originally Posted By Slavac:

Why were the IA guys asleep during the middle of the damn day with one guy (unarmed I think) standing watch?

 




Cause that's how they are. Very lazy and very poorly trained. At least from what I saw when I was over there.


Plus they pull long shifts (a day or so) so, having 1 up and 2 down makes sense.

 



Surprise and Audacity.
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 12:28:05 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 556therapy:
Originally Posted By Banditman:
Religion of peace at work.
 


Yep. Every time some heinous act is committed allah akbar is spoken or shouted. Someday its going to net a pavlovian response.


Because no Christian soldier has ever said "Thank God" at the successful completion of a mission. Or said "God willing, we'll succeed," before the mission began.  I know my old weapon squad leader, SSG Hunter did both of those and more before and after every mission.
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 12:29:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SiVisPacem:
Originally Posted By 556therapy:
Originally Posted By Banditman:
Religion of peace at work.
 


Yep. Every time some heinous act is committed allah akbar is spoken or shouted. Someday its going to net a pavlovian response.


Because no Christian soldier has ever said "Thank God" at the successful completion of a mission. Or said "God willing, we'll succeed," before the mission began.  I know my old weapon squad leader, SSG Hunter did both of those and more before and after every mission.


Link Posted: 7/1/2012 12:31:59 PM EDT
Other than looting there gear I don't understand why they are taking out such low value targets.  I suppose it will make the locals think twice what a waste.
Religion of peace my ass.
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 12:36:26 PM EDT



Originally Posted By SiVisPacem:



Originally Posted By 556therapy:


Originally Posted By Banditman:

Religion of peace at work.

 




Yep. Every time some heinous act is committed allah akbar is spoken or shouted. Someday its going to net a pavlovian response.




Because no Christian soldier has ever said "Thank God" at the successful completion of a mission. Or said "God willing, we'll succeed," before the mission began.  I know my old weapon squad leader, SSG Hunter did both of those and more before and after every mission.


It is sad that you can't see the difference.



 
Link Posted: 7/1/2012 12:37:00 PM EDT
Originally Posted By mc556:
Other than looting there gear I don't understand why they are taking out such low value targets.  I suppose it will make the locals think twice what a waste.
Religion of peace my ass.


Opportunistic targets may be more applicable.
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