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Posted: 12/14/2010 8:15:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/14/2010 8:19:08 PM EDT
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Well, it is dangerous, that's prescription strength, and it was probably her mother's prescription.
Arguable whether that's suitable for a 12 year old to be taking, but the law regarding other people's prescription drugs is clear. Good shoot. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 8:20:41 PM EDT
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was it the mom's script or the daughters? I say script because while you can make an 800mg dose of Ibuprofen with OTC meds, usually if its a single 800mg dose, it's a Rx
Either way, it's retarded. Kid could probably do more damage to her body with a bottle of Acetaminophen |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 8:22:51 PM EDT
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Quoted: Well, it is dangerous, that's prescription strength, and it was probably her mother's prescription. Arguable whether that's suitable for a 12 year old to be taking, but the law regarding other people's prescription drugs is clear. Good shoot.  its IBuprofen. ZOMG OVER THE COUNTER DRUGS IN BIGGER AMOUNTS!! .. because NO ONE could simply take more of the smaller dose pills. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 8:22:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/14/2010 8:23:33 PM EDT
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Hmm, that's retarded.
Besides which, I feel quite sure that the daughter at least would still have gotten in trouble if they were otc strength. Still the same thing, just have to take more of them. I don't know about you guys, but when I was 12 I was perfectly capable of taking some Ibuprofen for a headache without killing or endangering myself. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 8:25:10 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Well, it is dangerous, that's prescription strength, and it was probably her mother's prescription. Arguable whether that's suitable for a 12 year old to be taking, but the law regarding other people's prescription drugs is clear. Good shoot. its IBuprofen. ZOMG OVER THE COUNTER DRUGS IN BIGGER AMOUNTS!!.. because NO ONE could simply take more of the smaller dose pills.Yeah, and it can be harmful. It way exceeds a pediatric dosage. Regardless... you cannot give your prescription drugs to someone else. Especially a child! |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 8:25:15 PM EDT
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She and her kid are legally boned, while one 800 MG Ibuprofen is no different then two 400 MG Ibuprofen, the 800 MG is prescription, probably in the moms name. they will both get "drug diversion programs" and life will go on.
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Posted: 12/14/2010 8:26:08 PM EDT
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I wonder what kind of mandatory minimum sentence the mother is facing as a distributor? Yay for the war on headache medicine. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 8:29:43 PM EDT
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800mg Ibuprofen equals Airborne Candy....I've got a bottle of about a hundred or so sitting in the cabinet.
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Posted: 12/14/2010 8:31:46 PM EDT
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The script is the only issue here...ibuprofen's not exactly dangerous.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/525169_4 Severe toxicity is uncommon following ibuprofen self-poisoning, and in general less than 10% of patients develop 'life-threatening' symptoms such as coma, seizures, respiratory arrest, hypotension or anuric renal failure. Life-threatening features of ibuprofen toxicity have been shown only to occur in patients who have ingested greater than 400 mg/kg ibuprofen |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 8:32:26 PM EDT
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And let us not forget that most doctors dispense them like candy for every ailment like they are the next miracle cure.
Growing up in a house with 2 pharmacists makes me every time I see some stupid shit like this. Waste of good peoples time and money and our tax dollars.
Not only that but we're creating a whole generation of people that think they need to go to the dang doctor every time they have a pain so that someone will hold their hand and tell them it's OK to take a tylenol or ibuprofen. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 8:32:44 PM EDT
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Quoted: 40 milligrams per kilogram, not 40 MG total. Lets say she weighs 88 lb (40 KG) the maximum daily dose is 1.6 GRAMS. Hide your dog....  |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 8:33:58 PM EDT
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Quoted: 800mg Ibuprofen equals Airborne Candy....I've got a bottle of about a hundred or so sitting in the cabinet. We called 'em Ranger Candy ;) Even at the 82nd.... But yeah...they handed it out like freaking candy, that's for sure |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 8:36:59 PM EDT
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Quoted: The script is the only issue here...ibuprofen's not exactly dangerous. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/525169_4 Severe toxicity is uncommon following ibuprofen self-poisoning, and in general less than 10% of patients develop 'life-threatening' symptoms such as coma, seizures, respiratory arrest, hypotension or anuric renal failure. Life-threatening features of ibuprofen toxicity have been shown only to occur in patients who have ingested greater than 400 mg/kg ibuprofen I agree with that, and OTC Tylenol is probably worse... but I can't see handing a 12 year old a bottle of prescription strength ibuprofens. You could hand her two advils... take one as necessary for cramping or whatever the kid has going on... but what's the deal here? And what if this kid takes three or four in a day? What if she hands em to some kid with an allergy? I don't consider 12 year olds to be especially responsible with something like this. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 8:40:21 PM EDT
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Quoted: 800mg Ibuprofen equals Airborne Candy....I've got a bottle of about a hundred or so sitting in the cabinet. Drug dealer. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 8:40:27 PM EDT
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Well, it is dangerous, that's prescription strength, and it was probably her mother's prescription. Arguable whether that's suitable for a 12 year old to be taking, but the law regarding other people's prescription drugs is clear. Good shoot. its IBuprofen. ZOMG OVER THE COUNTER DRUGS IN BIGGER AMOUNTS!!.. because NO ONE could simply take more of the smaller dose pills.
Yeah, and it can be harmful. It way exceeds a pediatric dosage. Regardless... you cannot give your prescription drugs to someone else. Especially a child! LD50 for Ibuprofin is 636 mg/kg. 800mg * 15 = 12000mg 12000mg / 636 mg/kg = 18.9kg So, if you're 18.9kg (41lbs) 15 800mg tablets is your LD50 for the stuff. Most 12yr olds weigh more than 41lbs. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 8:41:40 PM EDT
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800mg Ibuprofen equals Airborne Candy....I've got a bottle of about a hundred or so sitting in the cabinet. Drug dealer. shhhh |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 8:44:04 PM EDT
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Some of you folks are way too fuckin' scared of your Tylenol.
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Posted: 12/14/2010 8:44:56 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: The script is the only issue here...ibuprofen's not exactly dangerous. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/525169_4 Severe toxicity is uncommon following ibuprofen self-poisoning, and in general less than 10% of patients develop 'life-threatening' symptoms such as coma, seizures, respiratory arrest, hypotension or anuric renal failure. Life-threatening features of ibuprofen toxicity have been shown only to occur in patients who have ingested greater than 400 mg/kg ibuprofen I agree with that, and OTC Tylenol is probably worse... but I can't see handing a 12 year old a bottle of prescription strength ibuprofens. You could hand her two advils... take one as necessary for cramping or whatever the kid has going on... but what's the deal here? And what if this kid takes three or four in a day? What if she hands em to some kid with an allergy? I don't consider 12 year olds to be especially responsible with something like this. Exactly. Basically it should come down to the mom, the daughter shouldn't be a consideration here. She's a minor. Mom should have given her a couple and told her to take one if it hurts, another a few hours later if you're still in pain. But in the end, taking the whole bottle most likely wouldn't hurt the kid. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 8:56:51 PM EDT
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The script is the only issue here...ibuprofen's not exactly dangerous. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/525169_4 Severe toxicity is uncommon following ibuprofen self-poisoning, and in general less than 10% of patients develop 'life-threatening' symptoms such as coma, seizures, respiratory arrest, hypotension or anuric renal failure. Life-threatening features of ibuprofen toxicity have been shown only to occur in patients who have ingested greater than 400 mg/kg ibuprofen I agree with that, and OTC Tylenol is probably worse... but I can't see handing a 12 year old a bottle of prescription strength ibuprofens. You could hand her two advils... take one as necessary for cramping or whatever the kid has going on... but what's the deal here? And what if this kid takes three or four in a day? What if she hands em to some kid with an allergy? I don't consider 12 year olds to be especially responsible with something like this. Exactly. Basically it should come down to the mom, the daughter shouldn't be a consideration here. She's a minor. Mom should have given her a couple and told her to take one if it hurts, another a few hours later if you're still in pain. But in the end, taking the whole bottle most likely wouldn't hurt the kid. Even if mom had given her 2 200mg motrin to put in her purse, little Suzy would still be getting suspended at best from school. The rules at least at my daughters school say NO MEDS in possession at all, no matter what. If little Suzy has Asthma then the inhaler has to be in the office. It's moronic. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 8:58:46 PM EDT
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I take 'em 2400mg at a time, but I only take it when the back is really singing. Doctor says it's fine, and I agree. Barely does anything.
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Posted: 12/14/2010 8:59:47 PM EDT
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Some of you folks are way too fuckin' scared of your Tylenol. Tylenol is a different deal - that can wreck your liver. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 9:01:59 PM EDT
[#30]
Again, I think the main issue here is the prescription.
If it was oxycontin or xanax everyone would be aghast. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 9:09:23 PM EDT
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Quoted: Again, I think the main issue here is the prescription. .....FOR IBUPROFEN. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 9:10:55 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Again, I think the main issue here is the prescription. .....FOR IBUPROFEN. ... FOR SOMEONE ELSE. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 9:14:13 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The script is the only issue here...ibuprofen's not exactly dangerous. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/525169_4 Severe toxicity is uncommon following ibuprofen self-poisoning, and in general less than 10% of patients develop 'life-threatening' symptoms such as coma, seizures, respiratory arrest, hypotension or anuric renal failure. Life-threatening features of ibuprofen toxicity have been shown only to occur in patients who have ingested greater than 400 mg/kg ibuprofen I agree with that, and OTC Tylenol is probably worse... but I can't see handing a 12 year old a bottle of prescription strength ibuprofens. You could hand her two advils... take one as necessary for cramping or whatever the kid has going on... but what's the deal here? And what if this kid takes three or four in a day? What if she hands em to some kid with an allergy? I don't consider 12 year olds to be especially responsible with something like this. Exactly. Basically it should come down to the mom, the daughter shouldn't be a consideration here. She's a minor. Mom should have given her a couple and told her to take one if it hurts, another a few hours later if you're still in pain. But in the end, taking the whole bottle most likely wouldn't hurt the kid. Even if mom had given her 2 200mg motrin to put in her purse, little Suzy would still be getting suspended at best from school. The rules at least at my daughters school say NO MEDS in possession at all, no matter what. If little Suzy has Asthma then the inhaler has to be in the office. It's moronic. How come I'm not shocked by that policy. Oh yeah..b/c when I was in 6th grade (way back in '88 or so...) I got my parents called in to school for me having "weapon" at school. That "weapon" being a water pistol. My parents were PISSED that they called in for that. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 9:15:53 PM EDT
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Again, I think the main issue here is the prescription. If it was oxycontin or xanax everyone would be aghast. I would be aghast? I think not. Had I needed a schedule II or a schedule IV prescription drug when I was 12, my father would have made sure that it was with me. The controlled substances act is shit and zero tolerance policies are shit. Kids in school have damned near been brainwashed on that shit. One of my nieces recently had to explain the whole Midol thing to a male classmate because of how the schools treat anything that looks like it might be some illicit drug. He thought she was taking crack or some bullshit. She's in the 8th grade. I expect big problems from her, but not for another 2 or 3 years. ETA: But it wasn't oxycontin or xanax, now was it? |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 9:17:17 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Again, I think the main issue here is the prescription. .....FOR IBUPROFEN. ... FOR SOMEONE ELSE. Nobody gives a shit but the JBTs. Lets not get out of control with this zero tolerance bullshit. It always equals zero intelligence. Use your head. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 9:18:40 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Again, I think the main issue here is the prescription. If it was oxycontin or xanax everyone would be aghast. I would be aghast? I think not. Had I needed a schedule II or a schedule IV prescription drug when I was 12, my father would have made sure that it was with me. Cool, get it from YOUR doctor with YOUR name on it. You think it's all bullshit? I think the GCA is bullshit, however I don't sit around making machineguns all day. Just because you don't agree with a law doesn't mean you don't pay the consequences when you're caught disregarding them. Right mom? |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 9:19:19 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Again, I think the main issue here is the prescription. .....FOR IBUPROFEN. ... FOR SOMEONE ELSE. Nobody gives a shit but the JBTs. Lets not get out of control with this zero tolerance bullshit. It always equals zero intelligence. Use your head. This is a commonly available OTC pain med, except that one pill was more efficient than taking 4, which is my usual dose of 'profen anyway. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 9:20:47 PM EDT
[#38]
The school officials need to be fired and barred from ever teaching or serving the public.
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Posted: 12/14/2010 9:23:37 PM EDT
[#39]
Quoted: She and her kid are legally boned, while one 800 MG Ibuprofen is no different then two 400 MG Ibuprofen, the 800 MG is prescription, probably in the moms name. they will both get "drug diversion programs" and life will go on. I hope you are right. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 9:27:21 PM EDT
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We must do what the gov thinks is best.
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Posted: 12/14/2010 9:28:03 PM EDT
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When you clusterfucked the per kilogram dosage, you pretty much torpedoed any credibility you might have had on the subject. Stop digging! |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 9:28:46 PM EDT
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Again, I think the main issue here is the prescription. If it was oxycontin or xanax everyone would be aghast. I would be aghast? I think not. Had I needed a schedule II or a schedule IV prescription drug when I was 12, my father would have made sure that it was with me. Cool, get it from YOUR doctor with YOUR name on it. You think it's all bullshit? I think the GCA is bullshit, however I don't sit around making machineguns all day. Just because you don't agree with a law doesn't mean you don't pay the consequences when you're caught disregarding them. Right mom? I'm sorry, but when people get arrested over something where I could fill multiple prescriptions and down them all at once and get nothing more than a bad stomach ache, you should be thinking that something is wrong there. It would take something like 300 Advil to kill me personally, which leads into how you moved the goalposts. Your original position was that the stuff could be harmful. Want me to quote you on that? I do not support blindly supporting laws simply because they are laws. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 9:31:34 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: When you clusterfucked the per kilogram dosage, you pretty much torpedoed any credibility you might have had on the subject. Stop digging! Credibility on what? I didn't clusterfuck shit, I posted a quote and cited the source. Go troll someone else. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 9:33:15 PM EDT
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When you clusterfucked the per kilogram dosage, you pretty much torpedoed any credibility you might have had on the subject. Stop digging! Credibility on what?
I didn't clusterfuck shit, I posted a quote and cited the source. Go troll someone else. Your credibility on you saying how dangerous it was, then totally fucking up the doses for what counts as a maximum therapeutic dose for ibuprofen. ETA for content. therapeutic != dangerous |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 9:33:50 PM EDT
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Some of you folks are way too fuckin' scared of your Tylenol. Tylenol can cause serious liver damage from relatively small overdoses. All drugs - regardless of whether they're OTC or prescription - need to be treated with respect, the dosage followed to the letter and not left with children. That being said, criminal charges are a little overboard. Unless, of course, the girl had brought prescription pills to school before. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 9:34:42 PM EDT
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Quoted: And let us not forget that most doctors dispense them like candy for every ailment like they are the next miracle cure. Growing up in a house with 2 pharmacists makes me every time I see some stupid shit like this. Waste of good peoples time and money and our tax dollars.Not only that but we're creating a whole generation of people that think they need to go to the dang doctor every time they have a pain so that someone will hold their hand and tell them it's OK to take a tylenol or ibuprofen. In other countries doctors aren't in the business of writing prescriptions. All they might do is just tell you what drug you should pick up at a pharmacist. The very idea of needing a prescription for a drug seems insane to the vast majority of people. When you need medicine you just go straight to the pharmacist. They have just about every kind of drug available for sale and give people advice on what to use and how to use it. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 9:36:16 PM EDT
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Quoted: I have a bottle in the cabinet. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Again, I think the main issue here is the prescription. .....FOR IBUPROFEN. ... FOR SOMEONE ELSE. Nobody gives a shit but the JBTs. Lets not get out of control with this zero tolerance bullshit. It always equals zero intelligence. Use your head. This is a commonly available OTC pain med, except that one pill was more efficient than taking 4, which is my usual dose of 'profen anyway.  I have had prescription strength ibuprofen before as well and there's not a damn bit of difference as you say aside from the # of pills it takes to arrive at the same outcome, which is why I'm telling him to stop acting like the schools with their zero tolerance bullshit which prevents people from using their damn heads and logic. HOORAY FOR THE WAR ON DRUGS! More lives needlessly ruined. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 9:39:20 PM EDT
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Again, I think the main issue here is the prescription. .....FOR IBUPROFEN. ... FOR SOMEONE ELSE. The only point of the prescription these days is to get your insurance company to pay for the meds. Anyone with a lick of sense just buys the two-pack at Walmart for a few dollars. I don't take them that oftem but I've got bottles at home and a work. |
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