
Posted: 4/29/2001 2:04:33 PM EDT
Who is (in your opinion) the most influential gun guru? I think maybe Jeff Copper, although I don't agree with everything he says. Let me know how you feel.
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Rambo! [:D]
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Celebrating the Second Amendment One Fine Firearm at a Time
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Rambo???? The guy who played the character is just another draft dodging coward, like Klinton.
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If it's a Colt, it's a copy of an original ArmaLite.
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Of the people you would know of Jeff Cooper, The most infuential in my career is Jeff Hall. He waxed a badguy out of a Jet Ranger (with an M-16)that was crabbing towards a badguys hide after the badguy shot and killed his partner sitting next to him. He is a warrior and has the ability to pass on lessons learned.
BTW he teaches at Frontsight and Gunsite now that he is retired.
Hunter out...
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I don't know this Mr. Copper, but Jeff Cooper would be my pick, though I too disagree with a few of his ideas. Still, he laid some very important foundation that's been built upon by others.
-Troy
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Not that "RAMBO" - rambo from the email list.
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Celebrating the Second Amendment One Fine Firearm at a Time
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Yeah, I'd have to go with Jeff Cooper, with Elmer Keith a close second, at least in the handgun department. Ed McGivern seems to have fallen out of favor with the decline of the revolver and rise of the polymer, laser sighted, tac lighted 9's and .40's, but that old guy could shoot better and faster than almost anyone I can think of!
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maybe not a gun GURU but I would have to say BOSTON T.PARTY ( Boston,s Gun BIBIE )or JOHN ROSS
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Duncan Long
He has a bunch of great books on all sorts of firearms.
Including a few really good AR15/M16 books.
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كافر AMERICAN INFIDEL كافر
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My vote goes to - Col. Jeff Cooper USMCRet [+]:D]
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The Sniper
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McGivern was a great shooter, and Keith was a great experimenter, but neither were the teacher that Cooper was and is. That's the difference.
-Troy
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Jeff Cooper, Elmer Keith, Skeeter Skelton, Jim Carmichal, take your pick.
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If your talking actuall urban "combat" experience the Jim Cirillo (sp?) of the NYPD "stake out squad" would qualify as an expert. I can't remember the exact number of gun fights he won.
Another "guru" IMHO is Bill Jordan if your talking Old School. His articles about working Border Patrol are classic.
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My dad, no doubt about it. He's the one who got me interested, relayed to me the importance of the second amendment, and most importantly, how to handle firearms in a safe manner.
No other big names have had nearly as much influence on me when it comes to guns as him.
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My dad, no doubt about it. He's the one who got me interested, relayed to me the importance of the second amendment, and most importantly, how to handle firearms in a safe manner.
No other big names have had nearly as much influence on me when it comes to guns as him.
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I just noticed I misspelled Cooper on my first post, sorry. I see no takers for Massad Ayoob.
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John M Browning.........John C Garand...................[shotgun]
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Originally Posted By M4:
Duncan Long
He has a bunch of great books on all sorts of firearms.
Including a few really good AR15/M16 books. View Quote |
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BTW, my answer has to the Colonel. Cooper is very opinionated, and I don't always agree with him, but his New Pistolcraft alone was a boon.
He is wrong about the "poodleshooter", though.
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Trick shot artist Bob Munden who is featured regularly on American Shooter, really funny and a pretty good shot!!
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I'm with B&G, John Browning.
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Originally Posted By no ma''am:
I just noticed I misspelled Cooper on my first post, sorry. I see no takers for Massad Ayoob. View Quote |
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I like Cooper because he pisses me off. I still would rather take my M1A Scout on a scouting mission than his overpriced plastic POS. (He is probably right, because he has much more experience than me.)
I also like Ayoob, he seems to be very analytical and use real life scenarios to teach.
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When They Knock Down Your Front Door, How You Going To Come? With Your Hands On Your Head Or On The Trigger Of Your Gun?
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Another "guru" IMHO is Bill Jordan if your talking Old School. His articles about working Border Patrol are classic. View Quote |
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black&green:John M Browning.........John C Garand...................[shotgun] View Quote |
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Perfection! Wait ... what? Wadaya mean "generation 1,.. 2,.. 3,.. and 4"?
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in my opinion:
Jeff Cooper
Bill Ruger
Clint Smith
Gadston Glock
Gabe Suarez and Jeff Gonzales (HALO group)
Bill Laughridge
Bill Wilson
.....just to name a few. There are so many new young guys out there doing really impressive things with handguns, rifles, and handling technique. One very fine example of new rising talent can be seen at www.blackholeguns.com. These guys are machining some really beautiful guns in their shop.
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I vote for Elmer...
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Perfection! Wait ... what? Wadaya mean "generation 1,.. 2,.. 3,.. and 4"?
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Elmer Keith, Skeeter Skelton, John Taffin, Bob Munden, Bill Jordan.
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John M Browning gets my first vote. Elmer Keith, Bill Jordan, Jeff Cooper are way up on the list too.
Finnbear out
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Ayoob would be who I called (in a New York minute) to be on my defense team if I was involved in a shooting that landed me in court.
I have sat beside him in many classes and as far as a gun guru (training type) I think I am a better instructor.
Hunter out...
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Mikhail Kalashnikov
Jim Clark Sr
Mr UZI
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Originally Posted By Striker:
Another "guru" IMHO is Bill Jordan if your talking Old School. His articles about working Border Patrol are classic. View Quote |
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Elmer Keith, Massad Ayoob.
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In the recent period of modern arms development, it would be tough to beat Bill Ruger. One lemon to his credit, but I wish I had a few of them.
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RAY CHAPMAN!!!!! Ive known Ray for a few years now and have even shot with him. Its so cool to listen to him talk about the old days and Jeff Cooper. He has so many cool and funny stories.
He is a very cool and gracious host. ONe helluva guy!!
Michael "Iron Mike" Webb
Texas Tactical
http://sites.netscape.net/texastactical/homepage
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Michael "Iron Mike" Webb
Texas Tactical WWW.TEXASTACTICAL.NET |
FrankTheSpank
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Bill Jordan's patrol methods would get him severly flamed by the "patriots" on this board. In fact he devotes alot of print in one of his books to the "throw down" gun. View Quote |
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Browning
Garand
Stoner
Mauser
Luger
Ruger
Great gun designers, engineers, machinists, but don't recall any books, articles they ever wrote about using the fruit of their genius...
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