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Posted: 4/23/2013 6:43:41 PM EDT
Considering a home defense shotgun...

The Mossberg Cruiser looks like a ready made option, but I know the 870 is widely considered the "standard". I would just have to "tacticool" the 870.

Brother in Law is getting married in a couple of months, and I thought about getting him one as a wedding present as well.

The 870 is a little higher, especially once you put stuff on it, but is it worth it?
Link Posted: 4/23/2013 6:46:51 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/23/2013 6:48:20 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Bedouin2W:
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Link Posted: 4/23/2013 6:49:26 PM EDT
Either will serve you fine.

I'm a lefty, so I prefer Mossberg for the tang safety.
Link Posted: 4/23/2013 6:49:29 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BeardedBassGuy:
Considering a home defense shotgun...

The Mossberg Cruiser looks like a ready made option, but I know the 870 is widely considered the "standard". I would just have to "tacticool" the 870.

Brother in Law is getting married in a couple of months, and I thought about getting him one as a wedding present as well.

The 870 is a little higher, especially once you put stuff on it, but is it worth it?


I had both a 500 and an 870, until I got rid of the 500. The 870 definitely is of better quality. I didn't have any issues with the 500, but the 870 feels leaner, more refined, and smoother.
Link Posted: 4/23/2013 6:50:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/23/2013 6:50:56 PM EDT by Thoughtcrime]
A pawn shop mossberg 500 with an 18.5 inch barrel will be perfect, unless you want to tacticool it up.

ETA: And a BIG F**K NO to the pistol grip.
Link Posted: 4/23/2013 6:52:30 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Sturmgeist:
Originally Posted By BeardedBassGuy:
Considering a home defense shotgun...

The Mossberg Cruiser looks like a ready made option, but I know the 870 is widely considered the "standard". I would just have to "tacticool" the 870.

Brother in Law is getting married in a couple of months, and I thought about getting him one as a wedding present as well.

The 870 is a little higher, especially once you put stuff on it, but is it worth it?


I had both a 500 and an 870, until I got rid of the 500. The 870 definitely is of better quality. I didn't have any issues with the 500, but the 870 feels leaner, more refined, and smoother.


That's the kind of info I was looking for.. Thanks!
Link Posted: 4/23/2013 6:52:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 74novaman:
Either will serve you fine.

I'm a lefty, so I prefer Mossberg for the tang safety.


Righty here, so that's not an issue. Thanks for the input though.
Link Posted: 4/23/2013 6:53:05 PM EDT
As best as I can remember, the Mossberg "Cruiser" means pistol grip only, no shoulder stock.

Avoid like the plague, can't hit shit with them.  Shotguns have stocks for a reason.
Link Posted: 4/23/2013 6:53:24 PM EDT
Search the Internet and you're going to find page after page of argument.  In the end, you'll realize that unless you have a brand you're loyal to, it's a wash..  Both are going to have stories that pretty much run the gamut from "I got 8 billion rounds thru mine and I ain't never had a problem" to "My cousin done shot one round thru his and now he's impotent and his children voted for 0bama and it killed his dag".

I keep a 590A1 at the house.  I can put a bayonet on it, and the safety is easier (out of the box) for me because I'm left handed.  I've also got a 500 cruiser I put a birdshead grip from Shockwave Tech on because, again, the safety makes more sense.

When Remington 870s are back on the shelves, I'll probably pick up one or two and put the left handed safety on one of them.  I've also got an FN TPS and a Norinco 1897 knockoff (again, it has a bayonet!).

I'm shotgun agnostic as long as it goes boom.
Link Posted: 4/23/2013 6:54:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 74novaman:
Either will serve you fine.

I'm a lefty, so I prefer Mossberg for the tang safety.


this.  both are excellent.
Link Posted: 4/23/2013 6:54:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/23/2013 6:56:36 PM EDT by BeardedBassGuy]
Originally Posted By Thoughtcrime:
A pawn shop mossberg 500 with an 18.5 inch barrel will be perfect, unless you want to tacticool it up.

ETA: And a BIG F**K NO to the pistol grip.


Pawn shops around here are stripped clean, and priced in such a way you might as well buy new online. Don't feel like driving 2 hours to Dallas to find something.

And why no pistol grip? I have shot a couple, never had any issues. Not like I will be using it to shoot skeet.
Link Posted: 4/23/2013 6:56:47 PM EDT
My buddy just bought a Mossberg Flex 590 ,I haven't seen or shot it yet but from what I have read it seems pretty nice.



He just picked it up from the FFL yesterday but were going shooting sometime this week. I have a 590 Mariner that I've had for years and like it very much.




Link Posted: 4/23/2013 7:00:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BeardedBassGuy:
Originally Posted By Thoughtcrime:
A pawn shop mossberg 500 with an 18.5 inch barrel will be perfect, unless you want to tacticool it up.

ETA: And a BIG F**K NO to the pistol grip.


Pawn shops around here are stripped clean, and priced in such a way you might as well buy new online. Don't feel like driving 2 hours to Dallas to find something.

And why no pistol grip? I have shot a couple, never had any issues. Not like I will be using it to shoot skeet.


Like riding a unicycle: not everyones brains are wired to learn hip-shooting a pistol grip shotgun.

Hang a bunch of soda cans in a tree and see if it's for you.
Link Posted: 4/23/2013 7:03:44 PM EDT
I have both the problem with the mossbergs you have to surf the rounds out if you need to do a round change. i would go with the 870.
Link Posted: 4/23/2013 7:05:11 PM EDT
I can almost guarantee that if you try shooting a pistol grip only shotgun you will buy a real stock to put on it shortly thereafter. If you don't aim a shotgun, you'll have a hell of a time hitting anything with it. The grip angle of those things is bad for managing recoil too in my experience. The 500 is a good shotgun, but get the Persuader model with the full stock.
Link Posted: 4/23/2013 7:06:19 PM EDT
BTW, not all Rem 870s are the same either.

Aloha, Mark
Link Posted: 4/23/2013 7:07:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BeardedBassGuy:
Originally Posted By Thoughtcrime:
A pawn shop mossberg 500 with an 18.5 inch barrel will be perfect, unless you want to tacticool it up.

ETA: And a BIG F**K NO to the pistol grip.


Pawn shops around here are stripped clean, and priced in such a way you might as well buy new online. Don't feel like driving 2 hours to Dallas to find something.

And why no pistol grip? I have shot a couple, never had any issues. Not like I will be using it to shoot skeet.


2 hours north or south of Dallas?
Link Posted: 4/23/2013 7:09:40 PM EDT
People keep talking about these cheap chinese 870 clones.

I think I want one.
Link Posted: 4/23/2013 7:10:10 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 50DollarCheShirt:
Originally Posted By BeardedBassGuy:
Originally Posted By Thoughtcrime:
A pawn shop mossberg 500 with an 18.5 inch barrel will be perfect, unless you want to tacticool it up.

ETA: And a BIG F**K NO to the pistol grip.


Pawn shops around here are stripped clean, and priced in such a way you might as well buy new online. Don't feel like driving 2 hours to Dallas to find something.

And why no pistol grip? I have shot a couple, never had any issues. Not like I will be using it to shoot skeet.


2 hours north or south of Dallas?


East, straight  down 20
Link Posted: 4/23/2013 7:11:00 PM EDT
Originally Posted By WinstonSmith:
People keep talking about these cheap chinese 870 clones.

I think I want one.


pfff, brand new real one of $430, why go with a clone?
Link Posted: 4/23/2013 7:11:02 PM EDT
They are both fine guns. I prefer the 500 due to lighter weight and the tang safety, which is much faster for me to disengage.
Link Posted: 4/23/2013 7:15:37 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BeardedBassGuy:
Originally Posted By WinstonSmith:
People keep talking about these cheap chinese 870 clones.

I think I want one.


pfff, brand new real one of $430, why go with a clone?


Because they're $200.
Link Posted: 4/23/2013 7:19:00 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BeardedBassGuy:
East, straight  down 20


Ahh.  Well, if you can find a Mossy cruiser, let me know.  I have a spare birdshead which will make it waaaaaaay more comfy to shoot.



Link Posted: 4/23/2013 7:19:45 PM EDT
Having had all 3, I would get a 590 A1 and skip the other 2.
Link Posted: 4/23/2013 7:20:24 PM EDT
Fuck Remington.

Sincerly,

NYers
Link Posted: 4/23/2013 7:22:18 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 50DollarCheShirt:
Originally Posted By BeardedBassGuy:
East, straight  down 20


Ahh.  Well, if you can find a Mossy cruiser, let me know.  I have a spare birdshead which will make it waaaaaaay more comfy to shoot.

http://i.imgur.com/CM614zpl.jpg



Awesome, thanks I will let you know.
Link Posted: 4/23/2013 7:28:10 PM EDT
Once again I'm the odd-man out here..

I have the 500 and so far I like it a lot seem like a typical 12 gauge (I'm no authority on guns shotguns but I've owned 2 this is my 2nd 500)

And I love my pistol grip.  I added some tac-stuff (soo' me I like it) and I shoot the pistol grip-no stock shoulder height with no problems.

Basically from what I've ready there aren't a lot of differences other than the gate on the Remington is somewhat in the way when loading and the 500 it lifts out of the way

But then again I'm usually not of the hive mind when it comes to this board.  
Link Posted: 4/23/2013 7:37:55 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BeardedBassGuy:
Originally Posted By 50DollarCheShirt:
Originally Posted By BeardedBassGuy:
East, straight  down 20


Ahh.  Well, if you can find a Mossy cruiser, let me know.  I have a spare birdshead which will make it waaaaaaay more comfy to shoot.

http://i.imgur.com/CM614zpl.jpg



Awesome, thanks I will let you know.


Or something more...  Bayonetty...



Link Posted: 4/23/2013 7:44:55 PM EDT
I love the Mossy 500... but no to the pistol grip.

Some stores carry the Mossberg 500 'combo', with a 18" & 28" barrels.  For, on sale, under $250.  IMO, best buy in solid HD guns out there.

I've got one (it wears it's 18" bbl all the time, now, inherited Grandpa's 500, and he bubba'ed a longer bbl to ~19" that I don't trust, it wears the 28 now), and I bought one for my little sister.

I've got nothing against the 870, it's a damn good gun.  There are also some good, cheap knockoffs that people say work well. I'm also a big fan of the Ithaca 37 & knockoffs, especially for lefties.  The bottom eject works well.  And it's a more... substantial... weapon if you want to butt-stroke someone with it. I have one with Ghost rings that was my first HD longarm, and still comes out on occasion (most recently when I had an FTE on the AR that usually fulfills the role... it was a split case, but it was benched until I ran a few mags through it.)
Link Posted: 4/23/2013 7:48:28 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 50DollarCheShirt:
Originally Posted By BeardedBassGuy:
Originally Posted By 50DollarCheShirt:
Originally Posted By BeardedBassGuy:
East, straight  down 20


Ahh.  Well, if you can find a Mossy cruiser, let me know.  I have a spare birdshead which will make it waaaaaaay more comfy to shoot.

http://i.imgur.com/CM614zpl.jpg



Awesome, thanks I will let you know.


Or something more...  Bayonetty...

http://i.imgur.com/NqwBIpX.jpg



I see your bayonet and raise you a sword.



(Not my pic...)
Link Posted: 4/23/2013 7:51:40 PM EDT
Lack of accessories for the 500. If you want sights, you'd better buy a gun with them already attached.
Link Posted: 4/23/2013 7:53:28 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ASUsax:

I see your bayonet and raise you a sword.

http://www.nramuseum.org/umbraco/ImageGen.ashx?image=/media/36889/01950_r.jpg&class=FlashViewer

(Not my pic...)


Got one of those too, but it's a Mossy vs Remmy thread.  
Link Posted: 4/23/2013 7:55:30 PM EDT
Go Shane or go home baby


Link Posted: 4/23/2013 7:56:11 PM EDT
get the 870
Link Posted: 4/23/2013 7:59:06 PM EDT
I really like my Winchester defender in 20ga



Recoil is very light even with slugs.
Link Posted: 4/23/2013 8:07:49 PM EDT
Ilike the 870 best but the finish is rust prone. Attention needed there.
I'm getting a benelli m1, 2 or hopefully m3
Link Posted: 4/23/2013 8:08:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/23/2013 8:09:15 PM EDT by warlord]
I recommend the Rem 870, I have never had any probems with mine, even after shooting thousands of rounds in trap & skeet and sporting clays.

My friend has a Moss 500, and the plastic ambi safety switch broke, and disabled the gun. He had to gerry-rig it with zip cord so that it would fire. Good thing it was just a plinking session in the desert.
Link Posted: 4/23/2013 8:18:42 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ma96782:
BTW, not all Rem 870s are the same either.

Aloha, Mark


This.  My 870 Express doesn't extract well and feels cheap. It's fine for clay bird duty but I'd more inclined to reach for the 500 in a defensive scenario.

I'm sure the more expensive 870's are better, because Arfcom wouldn't lie to me.  Well, aside from the GSG-5 thing...
Link Posted: 4/23/2013 9:10:24 PM EDT
either is good Ive had an old mossberg 500 for 30 years or so..remington 870 is as good..whatever you like will suffice.
Link Posted: 4/23/2013 9:23:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/23/2013 9:26:39 PM EDT by sixnine]


Mossbergs are better for people with long arms, but not as easy to customize.
Remingtons are better for people with shorter arms and are easier to customize.

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Link Posted: 4/23/2013 9:37:36 PM EDT
Either one will work find I prefer the tang safety of the Mossberg.
Link Posted: 4/23/2013 9:41:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BeardedBassGuy:
Originally Posted By Sturmgeist:
Originally Posted By BeardedBassGuy:
Considering a home defense shotgun...

The Mossberg Cruiser looks like a ready made option, but I know the 870 is widely considered the "standard". I would just have to "tacticool" the 870.

Brother in Law is getting married in a couple of months, and I thought about getting him one as a wedding present as well.

The 870 is a little higher, especially once you put stuff on it, but is it worth it?


I had both a 500 and an 870, until I got rid of the 500. The 870 definitely is of better quality. I didn't have any issues with the 500, but the 870 feels leaner, more refined, and smoother.


That's the kind of info I was looking for.. Thanks!


You're welcome. You'll be able to notice the differences in person at a gun shop.
Link Posted: 4/23/2013 9:51:24 PM EDT
Home defense gun only has to work once - get a Mossberg Maverick for less than $250.
It comes with the stock & a pistol grip if you want to swap it.
Link Posted: 4/23/2013 9:56:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/23/2013 9:57:37 PM EDT by retroangles]
Eight seven ohhh



8

7

0



All day, everyday.....


ETA: police Magnum W/ 16in Barrel......
Link Posted: 4/24/2013 4:20:00 AM EDT
I have the standard 870 home defense and have had no issues with it, patterns well, handles nice, only paid $300 for it a few years back.
Link Posted: 4/24/2013 4:27:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By retroangles:
Eight seven ohhh



8

7

0



All day, everyday.....


ETA: police Magnum W/ 16in Barrel......


Hope you have an SBS stamp.
Link Posted: 4/24/2013 4:30:49 AM EDT
I greatly prefer the 870 over the 500. When you start talking 870 vs. 590 it becomes a closer question. I have seen several M500's with broken ears on their plastic trigger guards but otherwise they are pretty reliable. With the 870 you often see the ejectors break and riveting a new one in place isn't hard but not something "Joe Sixpack" wants to tackle. With both of these those are the hard use issues to be expected.
Link Posted: 4/24/2013 4:32:03 AM EDT
If ya go mossberg get the breacher barrel. If not go 870.
Link Posted: 4/24/2013 4:42:45 AM EDT
I have an 870 tactical express.  I put the Vang Comp big safety and the GG&G follower in it. While it isn't tier one it is all the shotgun that I will ever need.
Link Posted: 4/24/2013 4:44:16 AM EDT
I got a Mossberg Breecher with the pistol grip a few years ago. I eventually put it buttstock on it. I love the shotgun and it's under the bed ready for action.

I actually prefer it to the 870 I had years ago.  IMO they are so close and each has their own set of distinctives at the same time.  I like the aluminum receiver and safety on top.
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