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Posted: 12/28/2012 1:03:57 PM EDT
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-20


Heres a link to the 2011 FBI crime stats. It doesnt have convenient national totals, but a quick survey makes it pretty obvious that more people are beaten to death empty hand than are killed with *all* types of rifle combined (not just "assault" rifles.)

Thought that was an interesting fact, and along with a pretty irrefutable data source, potentially useful in discussion for any of you who might be discussing the subject with anyone who is interested in facts of logic.

Link Posted: 12/28/2012 1:06:03 PM EDT
Some hands are deadlier than others.
Link Posted: 12/28/2012 1:07:58 PM EDT
Apparently no one was murdered in my state.

That tears it. I'm selling my iron at GOUGING prices.
Link Posted: 12/28/2012 1:08:15 PM EDT
To be fair, it seems like your odds of being beaten to death with a rifle are quite a bit lower than being shot with one.
Link Posted: 12/28/2012 1:09:46 PM EDT
I've been throwing that page at everyone for the past two weeks.
Link Posted: 12/28/2012 1:12:50 PM EDT
CDC has reports that show deaths and deaths by firearms are way under deaths by hands/feet/pushing.
Link Posted: 12/28/2012 1:13:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/28/2012 1:14:48 PM EDT by Essayons]
Nice. You can download it to Excel. Fists and feet wins 728 to 323 for rifles. That boils down to a nice sound bite--"More than twice as many people are murdered with bare hands than with rifles."

ETA, rifles were only 2.55% of the total.
Link Posted: 12/28/2012 1:14:04 PM EDT
"If your arm offend thee, cut it off"
Link Posted: 12/28/2012 1:16:05 PM EDT
I took this spreadsheet, and then found population for each state, I listed the total percentage of deaths by firearms vs other, and total Percentage of population killed by firearms in each state.

Not sure where to host it though.

I guess I could just make a .jpg.
Link Posted: 12/28/2012 1:17:11 PM EDT
They can have my hands when they pull them from my cold dead arms.

Link Posted: 12/28/2012 1:17:31 PM EDT
It was never about crime control.
Link Posted: 12/28/2012 1:17:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TZLVredmist:
I took this spreadsheet, and then found population for each state, I listed the total percentage of deaths by firearms vs other, and total Percentage of population killed by firearms in each state.

Not sure where to host it though.

I guess I could just make a .jpg.


It would be awesome if you put that together.
Please post it if you do.
Link Posted: 12/28/2012 1:18:14 PM EDT
Good info to have ....... until someone asks "Does that include handguns ? "

Link Posted: 12/28/2012 1:19:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/28/2012 1:27:16 PM EDT by Andras]
While the point stands, be careful taking totals from the FBI. The FBI doesn't have Florida or Alabama listed in 2011, and Illinois data is incomplete on table 20.

FDLE reports 2011 firearm murders are actually up 3.3% over 2010 when they had 380 handgun murders and 280 non handgun firearms murders, while hands/fists/feet dropped from 90 to 60.

In 2010, the FBI listed 12,996 murders, but once you add in FL, IL, and PR, it's up to 15,217, with at least 9,444 firearm murders and 6,398 handgun murders.

In 2011, the FBI reports 12,664 murders, but Alabama adds 301, FL adds 984, and IL only has 452 listed instead of 721.
A more accurate annual murder count is therefore 14,218, and this still ignores Puerto Rico, while DC and the USVI are counted.
In 2011 PR saw a record number of murders, 1130 people were killed by December 30,2011, so that would bring the total to 15,348.


These are the numbers for 2010 incorporating all states and DC, USVI, and PR:

Link Posted: 12/28/2012 1:21:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Nick_Adams314:
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-20


Heres a link to the 2011 FBI crime stats. It doesnt have convenient national totals, but a quick survey makes it pretty obvious that more people are beaten to death empty hand than are killed with *all* types of rifle combined (not just "assault" rifles.)

Thought that was an interesting fact, and along with a pretty irrefutable data source, potentially useful in discussion for any of you who might be discussing the subject with anyone who is interested in facts of logic.



Try table 7 for national staiatics
Link Posted: 12/28/2012 1:21:22 PM EDT
BS.

That chart says that there were 77 firearms murders in DC. Impossible with the gun laws there.
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