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Posted: 9/1/2015 10:04:08 AM EDT

Severe rioting in Kiev the last couple of days. Three policemen killed by "Svoboda" demonstrators objecting to a new law by the Ukrainian parliament granting further autonomy to the eastern provinces. (This autonomy law was part of the Minsk cease-fire deal with Russia, which has been mostly honored through its violation.)

I'm surprised this hasn't been a big issue here on GD.

Posted: 9/1/2015 10:06:34 AM EDT

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I'm very curious to see the Russian influence on demonstrations there.
They have really fucked that country up on several levels

Posted: 9/1/2015 10:29:47 AM EDT

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I'm very curious to see the Russian influence on demonstrations there.
They have really fucked that country up on several levels

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The demonstrators in Kiev are anti-Russian. These are right-wing Ukrainian nationalists, who want closer ties with western Europe. The ironic thing is that EU membership (which is their long-range goal) works against national independence. Ukraine has the misfortune of being in an untenable geostrategic position. It's never been truly independent. It's always been dominated by one or another of its neighbors.

Posted: 9/1/2015 10:36:27 AM EDT

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Isn't it supposed to be "The Ukraine"?

Posted: 9/1/2015 10:43:40 AM EDT

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The demonstrators in Kiev are anti-Russian. These are right-wing Ukrainian nationalists, who want closer ties with western Europe. The ironic thing is that EU membership (which is their long-range goal) works against national independence. Ukraine has the misfortune of being in an untenable geostrategic position. It's never been truly independent. It's always been dominated by one or another of its neighbors.

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I'm very curious to see the Russian influence on demonstrations there.
They have really fucked that country up on several levels

The demonstrators in Kiev are anti-Russian. These are right-wing Ukrainian nationalists, who want closer ties with western Europe. The ironic thing is that EU membership (which is their long-range goal) works against national independence. Ukraine has the misfortune of being in an untenable geostrategic position. It's never been truly independent. It's always been dominated by one or another of its neighbors.

This. They want the Russians out. Many of them likely lost someone they knew during the "Separatists-Not-Russians" invasion. If they want Russia gone, I support them in their efforts.

Posted: 9/1/2015 10:48:45 AM EDT

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The demonstrators in Kiev are anti-Russian. These are right-wing Ukrainian nationalists, who want closer ties with western Europe. The ironic thing is that EU membership (which is their long-range goal) works against national independence. Ukraine has the misfortune of being in an untenable geostrategic position. It's never been truly independent. It's always been dominated by one or another of its neighbors.

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I'm very curious to see the Russian influence on demonstrations there.
They have really fucked that country up on several levels

The demonstrators in Kiev are anti-Russian. These are right-wing Ukrainian nationalists, who want closer ties with western Europe. The ironic thing is that EU membership (which is their long-range goal) works against national independence. Ukraine has the misfortune of being in an untenable geostrategic position. It's never been truly independent. It's always been dominated by one or another of its neighbors.

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