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Posted: 2/26/2007 7:50:20 AM EST
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 7:59:02 AM EST
That's what happenes when you elect liberals.
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 8:01:21 AM EST
Sad very sad. Too many damn hippies in the larger towns voting them in
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 8:08:02 AM EST
It's happened here, too.
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 8:14:48 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/26/2007 8:15:24 AM EST by Red_Label]
I too have been disgusted with the political climate change in this state. But I believe that most of the leftist winds are blowing from the west. Billings may be the largest city, but it generally leans more conservatively. And so does the eastern side of the state. The west has been infiltrated over the past few decades by transplants from CA and other liberal meccas. The liberal votes are predominantly coming from Missoula, Bozeman, Kalispel, and Helena IMO. But it's just sad. I was disgusted last Fall during the election...
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 8:15:23 AM EST
I was really surprised about this last week when it came up in the news. Liberals
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 8:17:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By GunLvrPHD:
That's what happenes when you elect liberals.


I agree. The Dems are doing everything in their power to destroy this state.
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 8:18:24 AM EST
I predict crime surge in MT in near future.
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 8:21:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By MAT-49:
I predict crime surge in MT in near future.


Starting to happen already. Everynight we here on the local news about another armed robbery at a casino, or a murder in Billings. I'll bet they average one murder a week in Billings.
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 8:26:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By guns762:

Originally Posted By MAT-49:
I predict crime surge in MT in near future.


Starting to happen already. Everynight we here on the local news about another armed robbery at a casino, or a murder in Billings. I'll bet they average one murder a week in Billings.



Yup... Just once I want to turn on Q2 or KULR and hear that someone TRIED to rob a casino and got his ass shot-off by the teller who had immediate access to a firearm.
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 8:30:05 AM EST

Originally Posted By Red_Label:

Originally Posted By guns762:

Originally Posted By MAT-49:
I predict crime surge in MT in near future.


Starting to happen already. Everynight we here on the local news about another armed robbery at a casino, or a murder in Billings. I'll bet they average one murder a week in Billings.



Yup... Just once I want to turn on Q2 or KULR and hear that someone TRIED to rob a casino and got his ass shot-off by the teller who had immediate access to a firearm.


On a side note:
You been to Daddy O's lately? I need to make another trip up there soon. It's the only reason I can stand to go to Billings on the weekend. They raised the price on the Colt 1911 mags from $4 to $8, unfortunately. I needed to buy about a dozen more of those. Dang it.
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 8:30:47 AM EST
Isn't that the state where the legislature passed a law to exempt any firearms made there from all federal regulations?

Was not there some gushing on GD about what a wonderful, freedom-loving place it is?
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 8:36:05 AM EST

Originally Posted By California_Kid:
Isn't that the state where the legislature passed a law to exempt any firearms made there from all federal regulations?

Was not there some gushing on GD about what a wonderful, freedom-loving place it is?


Too many Kalifornistan imports.
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 8:39:58 AM EST

Originally Posted By guns762:

Originally Posted By California_Kid:
Isn't that the state where the legislature passed a law to exempt any firearms made there from all federal regulations?

Was not there some gushing on GD about what a wonderful, freedom-loving place it is?


Too many Kalifornistan imports.


Zing!
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 8:46:37 AM EST
Well this Kali refugee voted solid "R" last election (except for a single local office that didn't have an "R" - voted for the "L" in that one ) and I'm disgusted by this (and disappointed by the last election results as well).

I knew this place was "shading" towards blue before I came but didn't expect something like this.

Should have known the place was heading straight to Hell given that a Starbuck's just opened here in Kalispell month or two ago.

How you guys holding the line over in WY? It's my ultimate relocation location at this time.

Link Posted: 2/26/2007 8:47:29 AM EST
I almost wish they'd abolish the death penalty in California.

We spend enormous amounts of effort to sentence someone to death, and then the tsunami of whining appeals start. Fifteen years later, we're supposedly ready to kill the SOB, and now someone whines that being put to sleep is "cruel and unusual". It's just too expensive... I'd be just as happy to lock them up for life without parole.

Of course, as soon as death is off the table, life without parole will be "cruel and unusual". Then life. Then any sentence that's longer than a particular percentage of the defendant's expected remaining lifespan. Heck, how long will it be before the sentence for a mass killing spree of preschoolers is to have to talk about your feelings with Dr. Phil?

Then again, maybe being forced to deal with Dr. Phil is a good punishment... Dr. Phil, 24/7, with no off button or volume control...
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 8:53:22 AM EST

Originally Posted By guns762:
On a side note:
You been to Daddy O's lately? I need to make another trip up there soon. It's the only reason I can stand to go to Billings on the weekend. They raised the price on the Colt 1911 mags from $4 to $8, unfortunately. I needed to buy about a dozen more of those. Dang it.


Haven't been there in a while. I think the last time may have been last Spring when I picked-up my M1A. But both Big R stores are now carrying those as well. Used to be that the only place to get good milsurp type stuff was at DaddyO's.

They've moved down the street recently. They're a few blocks east of the old place (they're in the old Kasper's Photo building).

I live in town and still try to avoid most of it on the weekends...
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 8:56:41 AM EST
I agree with the ban!

The death penalty doesn't curb crime, never has, never will. Too many innocents in prison, much less on death row.

I'm not opposed to the idea of the death penalty, just to the fact that the justice system is too flawed to reliably put anyone to death.

This is another example why Montana is the best state in the union. WE USE OUR BRAINS!
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 8:59:49 AM EST
2 Liberal Senators, and a town called Missoula. What would you expect?
At least Arnold fried Tookie Williams last year.
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 9:01:31 AM EST

Originally Posted By Airwolf:
How you guys holding the line over in WY? It's my ultimate relocation location at this time.




I grew up in Cody, WY and my dad still lives there. It's not as "pinko" as western MT, but they've been electing and importing libs down there as well. This "free America" that people like to refer to is disappearing EVERYWHERE, even in the hardcore states of the South and Northeast. With every new generation of city-dwelling, spoiled, welfare-suckled, entitlement-expecting, common sense-lacking, future-reality TV-star, suburban soccor-moms, the whole place moves one step closer to the brink. (Aren't we there yet?)
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 9:03:52 AM EST

Originally Posted By MTUSA:
2 Liberal Senators, and a town called Missoula. What would you expect?
At least Arnold fried Tookie Williams last year.


Yup. Every state seems to have a "Hive of scum and villainy" driving and often overriding the rest of the state. Missoula is ours.
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 9:05:42 AM EST

Originally Posted By Marcbme:
I agree with the ban!

The death penalty doesn't curb crime, never has, never will. Too many innocents in prison, much less on death row.

I'm not opposed to the idea of the death penalty, just to the fact that the justice system is too flawed to reliably put anyone to death.

This is another example why Montana is the best state in the union. WE USE OUR BRAINS!



Missoulian?


Nah... I hear ya. But I'm not too keen on the kind of scum that sit on death row spending even more decades sucking air on the tax payer's dime either. I'm not so sure that the Death Penalty actually curbs crime. But if there's no doubt that the the defendant is guilty, then I say fry him. It's about justice to me. If you murder someone in cold blood, then justice demands that you forfeit yours.
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 9:07:44 AM EST

Originally Posted By BuckeyeRifleman:

Originally Posted By guns762:

Originally Posted By California_Kid:
Isn't that the state where the legislature passed a law to exempt any firearms made there from all federal regulations?

Was not there some gushing on GD about what a wonderful, freedom-loving place it is?


Too many Kalifornistan imports.


Zing!


Yup, the liberals have to run from their home state and move to beautiful safe conservative state where the proceed to vote just as liberal as they did before.

Liberals are so brain washed they just never learn.
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 9:07:44 AM EST

Originally Posted By BuckeyeRifleman:

Originally Posted By guns762:

Originally Posted By California_Kid:
Isn't that the state where the legislature passed a law to exempt any firearms made there from all federal regulations?

Was not there some gushing on GD about what a wonderful, freedom-loving place it is?


Too many Kalifornistan imports.


Zing!


Yup, the liberals have to run from their home state and move to beautiful safe conservative state where the proceed to vote just as liberal as they did before.

Liberals are so brain washed they just never learn.
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 9:08:58 AM EST
not montana
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 9:17:20 AM EST

Originally Posted By California_Kid:
Isn't that the state where the legislature passed a law to exempt any firearms made there from all federal regulations?

Was not there some gushing on GD about what a wonderful, freedom-loving place it is?


That was before the recent election where Democrats came to power.
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 9:23:58 AM EST
that is disturbing
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 9:24:57 AM EST

Originally Posted By Red_Label:

Originally Posted By Marcbme:
I agree with the ban!

The death penalty doesn't curb crime, never has, never will. Too many innocents in prison, much less on death row.

I'm not opposed to the idea of the death penalty, just to the fact that the justice system is too flawed to reliably put anyone to death.

This is another example why Montana is the best state in the union. WE USE OUR BRAINS!



Missoulian?


Nah... I hear ya. But I'm not too keen on the kind of scum that sit on death row spending even more decades sucking air on the tax payer's dime either. I'm not so sure that the Death Penalty actually curbs crime. But if there's no doubt that the the defendant is guilty, then I say fry him. It's about justice to me. If you murder someone in cold blood, then justice demands that you forfeit yours.


Helenan actually, Missoulian for school. And news flash, its CHEAPER to put someone in prison for life then to put them to death (appeals). And I would want to live in a country that didn't have death penalty appeals (China, N. Korea to name a few). I'm as conservative as the next guy, but I belive "right to life" means ALL life, not just who we deem "worthy"
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 9:26:39 AM EST
I think that death is appropriate for some capital offenses. For most of them, it would be better to put the prisoner to work for the rest of their natural life. (slave labor)

They don't owe a debt to society, they owe a debt to the family of the person they killed.
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 9:30:24 AM EST

Originally Posted By Red_Label:

Originally Posted By guns762:
On a side note:
You been to Daddy O's lately? I need to make another trip up there soon. It's the only reason I can stand to go to Billings on the weekend. They raised the price on the Colt 1911 mags from $4 to $8, unfortunately. I needed to buy about a dozen more of those. Dang it.


Haven't been there in a while. I think the last time may have been last Spring when I picked-up my M1A. But both Big R stores are now carrying those as well. Used to be that the only place to get good milsurp type stuff was at DaddyO's.

They've moved down the street recently. They're a few blocks east of the old place (they're in the old Kasper's Photo building).

I live in town and still try to avoid most of it on the weekends...

Shipton's has those mags too? How much? I usually stop there on my way into town. If I wait until my wife is done shopping, I'm too damn tired, and just want to eject. I even missed Daddy o's last week when we were there.

Link Posted: 2/26/2007 9:34:25 AM EST
Believe it or not, I'm kind of neutral on the death penalty. On the one hand I like it, because it's the only appropriate punishment for murder. When you murder someone, you take away everything they had and everything they will ever have (including their breath). To me, the only punishment severe enough to restore the imbalance created is death. Now...

...other things bother me about it, but they tend to me minor. The big one, is the possibility - however slight - that the State executes an innocent man. I can think of nothing more evil. I'm reasonably certain this is a rare occurance, but the very thought of it sends chills down my spine. I know it's happened at least once.

On the deterrent aspect, I've never seen any evidence (other than anectodal, which must be rejected immediately, obviously) that demonstrates it's effectiveness in this regard. Failing that, I'm forced to reject one of it's supposed benefits - that it is an effective deterent to murder. I've seen nothing other than unsubstantiated opinion to the contrary.

So, I end up neutral on it - and I'm as far from a lib as anyone you've ever seen.

I wouldn't get too excited over this. Montana is still just about as freedom-loving as they come. Reasonable people can disagree on this one, without resorting to labeling them as pinko commie Kali-fag imports.
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 9:34:27 AM EST

Originally Posted By Marcbme:

Originally Posted By Red_Label:

Originally Posted By Marcbme:
I agree with the ban!

The death penalty doesn't curb crime, never has, never will. Too many innocents in prison, much less on death row.

I'm not opposed to the idea of the death penalty, just to the fact that the justice system is too flawed to reliably put anyone to death.

This is another example why Montana is the best state in the union. WE USE OUR BRAINS!



Missoulian?


Nah... I hear ya. But I'm not too keen on the kind of scum that sit on death row spending even more decades sucking air on the tax payer's dime either. I'm not so sure that the Death Penalty actually curbs crime. But if there's no doubt that the the defendant is guilty, then I say fry him. It's about justice to me. If you murder someone in cold blood, then justice demands that you forfeit yours.


Helenan actually, Missoulian for school. And news flash, its CHEAPER to put someone in prison for life then to put them to death (appeals). And I would want to live in a country that didn't have death penalty appeals (China, N. Korea to name a few). I'm as conservative as the next guy, but I belive "right to life" means ALL life, not just who we deem "worthy"


The death penalty is JUSTICE not murder!

You murder you forfeit your life.

jmho
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 9:36:20 AM EST
I don't know if Shipton's has the surp 1911 mags or not. I was referring to EBR's such as the AR and the M1A. You buy the Colt 1911 mags? I get my 1911 mags at DaddyO's, but I only buy the Chip McCormick Shooting Stars. I have just had too many issues with cheap 1911 mags in the past. Wilson and McCormick are the only way to go for those IMO.
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 9:36:44 AM EST

Originally Posted By Red_Label:
I don't know if Shipton's has the surp 1911 mags or not. I was referring to EBR's such as the AR and the M1A. You buy the Colt 1911 mags? I get my 1911 mags at DaddyO's, but I only buy the Chip McCormick Shooting Stars. I have just had too many issues with cheap 1911 mags in the past. Wilson and McCormick are the only way to go for those IMO.


Link Posted: 2/26/2007 9:40:01 AM EST

Originally Posted By guns762:

Originally Posted By California_Kid:
Isn't that the state where the legislature passed a law to exempt any firearms made there from all federal regulations?

Was not there some gushing on GD about what a wonderful, freedom-loving place it is?


Too many Kalifornistan imports.


Non-sequitur.
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 9:41:42 AM EST

Originally Posted By California_Kid:

Originally Posted By guns762:

Originally Posted By California_Kid:
Isn't that the state where the legislature passed a law to exempt any firearms made there from all federal regulations?

Was not there some gushing on GD about what a wonderful, freedom-loving place it is?


Too many Kalifornistan imports.


Non-sequitur.


Makes a guy wonder.

After all, California is a death penalty state.
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 9:44:20 AM EST

Originally Posted By SubnetMask:
Montana is still just about as freedom-loving as they come. Reasonable people can disagree on this one, without resorting to labeling them as pinko commie Kali-fag imports.




LOL



Way to summarize it Sub
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 9:51:06 AM EST

Originally Posted By Red_Label:
I don't know if Shipton's has the surp 1911 mags or not. I was referring to EBR's such as the AR and the M1A. You buy the Colt 1911 mags? I get my 1911 mags at DaddyO's, but I only buy the Chip McCormick Shooting Stars. I have just had too many issues with cheap 1911 mags in the past. Wilson and McCormick are the only way to go for those IMO.


Ohh, yup, lots of EBR goodness at Shiptons I found the cheap colt mags pretty decent as range mags. I use Wilsons for social buisness and CCW.
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 10:09:43 AM EST

Originally Posted By Sixgun_Symphony:

Originally Posted By California_Kid:
Isn't that the state where the legislature passed a law to exempt any firearms made there from all federal regulations?

Was not there some gushing on GD about what a wonderful, freedom-loving place it is?


That was before the recent election where Democrats came to power.




The bill was passed, then apparently failed on a third reading, in the same legislative session. Same bunch that passed it last month.

Link
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 10:16:00 AM EST

Originally Posted By Marcbme:
I agree with the ban!

The death penalty doesn't curb crime, never has, never will. Too many innocents in prison, much less on death row.

I'm not opposed to the idea of the death penalty, just to the fact that the justice system is too flawed to reliably put anyone to death.

This is another example why Montana is the best state in the union. WE USE OUR BRAINS!




Lot to be said here.

I don't trust the system, and you can't release a dead man from jail.

Let's face it, the DA is a political animal looking to become a Governor. He wants to look tough on crime and even if he KNOWS some poor bastard is innocent, he'll fry him just to look good to the populace.
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 11:02:00 AM EST
The death penalty is not a deterrent, it does cut down on repeat offenders when carried out.
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 11:36:55 AM EST

Originally Posted By CultureJammer:

Originally Posted By Red_Label:
I don't know if Shipton's has the surp 1911 mags or not. I was referring to EBR's such as the AR and the M1A. You buy the Colt 1911 mags? I get my 1911 mags at DaddyO's, but I only buy the Chip McCormick Shooting Stars. I have just had too many issues with cheap 1911 mags in the past. Wilson and McCormick are the only way to go for those IMO.




I'll see your and raise you another . Remind me again why you posted the icon?
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 11:39:15 AM EST

Originally Posted By BuckeyeRifleman:

Originally Posted By guns762:

Originally Posted By California_Kid:
Isn't that the state where the legislature passed a law to exempt any firearms made there from all federal regulations?

Was not there some gushing on GD about what a wonderful, freedom-loving place it is?


Too many Kalifornistan imports.


Zing!


ummmm, California has the death penalty.
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 11:40:23 AM EST

Originally Posted By Red_Label:

Originally Posted By CultureJammer:

Originally Posted By Red_Label:
I don't know if Shipton's has the surp 1911 mags or not. I was referring to EBR's such as the AR and the M1A. You buy the Colt 1911 mags? I get my 1911 mags at DaddyO's, but I only buy the Chip McCormick Shooting Stars. I have just had too many issues with cheap 1911 mags in the past. Wilson and McCormick are the only way to go for those IMO.




I'll see your and raise you another . Remind me again why you posted the icon?


He didn't see how our little side disscussion started, and has no idea what the hell you are talking about.
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 11:41:45 AM EST

Originally Posted By Red_Label:
I too have been disgusted with the political climate change in this state. But I believe that most of the leftist winds are blowing from the west. Billings may be the largest city, but it generally leans more conservatively. And so does the eastern side of the state. The west has been infiltrated over the past few decades by transplants from CA and other liberal meccas. The liberal votes are predominantly coming from Missoula, Bozeman, Kalispel, and Helena IMO. But it's just sad. I was disgusted last Fall during the election...


flathead county voted for burns, and if i recall correctly it wasn't really that close.
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 11:46:14 AM EST

Originally Posted By jfrankparnell:

Originally Posted By Red_Label:
I too have been disgusted with the political climate change in this state. But I believe that most of the leftist winds are blowing from the west. Billings may be the largest city, but it generally leans more conservatively. And so does the eastern side of the state. The west has been infiltrated over the past few decades by transplants from CA and other liberal meccas. The liberal votes are predominantly coming from Missoula, Bozeman, Kalispel, and Helena IMO. But it's just sad. I was disgusted last Fall during the election...


flathead county voted for burns, and if i recall correctly it wasn't really that close.


You're right. I was lumping Kalispell in with all of the tree-huggers who like to hang-out east of there in Glacier. The libtard population does seem to crawl out from under their rocks mostly in the Bitterroot valley and not the Flathead.

Unfortunately, there are still way too many libtards spread-out all over the state. I'd just love to bump into that goob Dave Letterman and tell him that not all Montanans love and adore his sorry pinko arse...
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 11:47:14 AM EST

Originally Posted By guns762:
He didn't see how our little side disscussion started, and has no idea what the hell you are talking about.


Roger that. Probably so...
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 11:52:28 AM EST

Originally Posted By Red_Label:

Originally Posted By jfrankparnell:

Originally Posted By Red_Label:
I too have been disgusted with the political climate change in this state. But I believe that most of the leftist winds are blowing from the west. Billings may be the largest city, but it generally leans more conservatively. And so does the eastern side of the state. The west has been infiltrated over the past few decades by transplants from CA and other liberal meccas. The liberal votes are predominantly coming from Missoula, Bozeman, Kalispel, and Helena IMO. But it's just sad. I was disgusted last Fall during the election...


flathead county voted for burns, and if i recall correctly it wasn't really that close.


You're right. I was lumping Kalispell in with all of the tree-huggers who like to hang-out east of there in Glacier. The libtard population does seem to crawl out from under their rocks mostly in the Bitterroot valley and not the Flathead.

Unfortunately, there are still way too many libtards spread-out all over the state. I'd just love to bump into that goob Dave Letterman and tell him that not all Montanans love and adore his sorry pinko arse...


agreed on all points
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 11:53:28 AM EST

Originally Posted By Marcbme:
I'm as conservative as the next guy, but I belive "right to life" means ALL life, not just who we deem "worthy"


I'm Pro-Life. Pro-INNOCENT, unborn, had-no-choice in the matter life. Someone who used their life to end the life of another human for no other reason than the desires of their evil heart, is no 'innocent' and deserves the same punishment he doled-out (and more).

I do wring my hands over the possibility of an innocent man being executed though. That is a grave miscarriage of justice and one that is not acceptable.
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 12:09:22 PM EST

Originally Posted By jfrankparnell:

Originally Posted By Red_Label:
I too have been disgusted with the political climate change in this state. But I believe that most of the leftist winds are blowing from the west. Billings may be the largest city, but it generally leans more conservatively. And so does the eastern side of the state. The west has been infiltrated over the past few decades by transplants from CA and other liberal meccas. The liberal votes are predominantly coming from Missoula, Bozeman, Kalispel, and Helena IMO. But it's just sad. I was disgusted last Fall during the election...


flathead county voted for burns, and if i recall correctly it wasn't really that close.


Tester did win Gallatin county only by a slim number. If it wasn't for the Universities I am sure that Burns would of had the state. There are just way too many dirty stinky hippies

I know Sheriff Cashell is a dem. I sure hope he signs my Form 4 for my new NFA toy. We'll see.
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 12:20:22 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/26/2007 12:21:29 PM EST by Overlord66]
Well the senate may be screwing us but there is hope for the House. That and if this passes the death penalty may be handle out side of court.

www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2007/02/26/news/state/28-guns.txt


Gun rights bill passes House
By The Associated Press

HELENA - The House bucked the law enforcement community and endorsed a proposal to let residents brandish firearms if they feel threatened.

The measure took a tortured route through House floor debates, where it first was supported two weeks ago, killed last week amid pressure from police groups, resuscitated with the help of gun-rights activists and then endorsed again Monday.

The 57-43 vote sets the stage for more debate in the Senate.

Supporters said they changed the proposed law to ease fears of some opponents, who worried that certain provisions would make it difficult for law enforcement to handle confiscated weapons. The measure is needed to make it clear that gun owners have no obligation to flee first when threatened, and to require that prosecutors prove wrongdoing when someone asserts they were using self-defense, supporters said.

"I can tell you damn right that if a guy is going to beat the you-know-what out of me, I am going to defend myself," said Rep. Ed Butcher, R-Winifred. "We all have the right to defend our persons and our families."

The measure also states a gun owner can show his gun to a would-be assailant in an attempt to defuse a potential conflict.

Opponents argued the bill will give criminals more rights to assert self-defense in violent crimes, making prosecution harder.

House Democratic Leader John Parker, a prosecutor in Great Falls, said two men engaged in a bar fight could both assert self-defense in an escalating melee that leaves one of them seriously injured, or dead.

"There ought to be a requirement to proportional use of violence," he said. "The violence can't just continue escalating."

Parker said state laws and the Montana Constitution already give residents the right to protect their homes and property, along with a reasonable self-defense right.

Gun-rights groups have pushed for the legislation, often called a "no-retreat" law, in other states.

Sponsor Rep. Jack Wells, R-Bozeman, said the measure won't provide any safe harbor for criminals. He argued Montana will have fewer criminals if the state makes it easier for law abiding gun owners to use their weapons.

"A criminal is a criminal by definition, and he won't obey any of the laws we write here," Wells said.

The bill is House Bill 340.


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