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Posted: 10/12/2005 10:21:25 PM EDT

Have a hypothetical question for you guys. I'm real tight on money. For a SHTF situation I have a glock 17 an AR15 and a AK47. I have at this time plenty of 9mm ammo but no ammo for either AK or the AR that I have (but will be stocking up soon). Since ammo costs alot more for the AR as opposed to the AK I would be able to buy more ammo for my AK than my AR. My question to you guys is if you had to chose just one AK-47 or the AR15 which would it be and why (lets just say that you will have equal ammo for both). My thoughts about stock pileing ammo (I have no problem what so ever with doing this, hell if I could stock pile 20,000 rounds of ammo I would do it). But another question that I have is how much ammo is enough (you never have enough I know I know), but I'm talking about the situation where you cant stay at home. I'm thinking that 20,000 rounds is alot but hell how are you going to carry all of it. I mean you have to have food, water, the wife, kids, clothes and countless other supplies as well. You can only take so much with you right.

Posted: 10/12/2005 10:32:56 PM EDT

[#1]

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Posted: 10/12/2005 10:33:44 PM EDT

[#2]

I like the AR over the AK but for your money situation I'd go w/ the AK

Posted: 10/12/2005 10:47:18 PM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:
Have a hypothetical question for you guys. I'm real tight on money. For a SHTF situation I have a glock 17 an AR15 and a AK47. I have at this time plenty of 9mm ammo but no ammo for either AK or the AR that I have (but will be stocking up soon). Since ammo costs alot more for the AR as opposed to the AK I would be able to buy more ammo for my AK than my AR. My question to you guys is if you had to chose just one AK-47 or the AR15 which would it be and why (lets just say that you will have equal ammo for both). My thoughts about stock pileing ammo (I have no problem what so ever with doing this, hell if I could stock pile 20,000 rounds of ammo I would do it). But another question that I have is how much ammo is enough (you never have enough I know I know), but I'm talking about the situation where you cant stay at home. I'm thinking that 20,000 rounds is alot but hell how are you going to carry all of it. I mean you have to have food, water, the wife, kids, clothes and countless other supplies as well. You can only take so much with you right.

get rid of one of your kids, thatll leave room for more ammo....lol.

Posted: 10/12/2005 10:48:28 PM EDT

[#4]

Kick the AR to the curb

Posted: 10/12/2005 10:48:32 PM EDT

[#5]

That is a tough one! I own both and I really like both. In 5,000 rounds my AK jammed 3 times but only due to dud rounds. In 3,000 rounds through my AR it has Zero problems at all. The AR is lighter and more accurate by far. I keep both very clean so I don't know how reliablity would be over time with no cleaning which might happen in a SHTF situation. I think I would give the AR the bennifet of the doubt and use it.

My vote the AR15!

Posted: 10/12/2005 10:49:23 PM EDT

[#6]

Ak, cheaper parts, ammo and rifle. Still will do just fine.

Posted: 10/12/2005 10:50:36 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
That is a tough one! I own both and I really like both. In 5,000 rounds my AK jammed 3 times but only due to dud rounds. In 3,000 rounds through my AR it has Zero problems at all. The AR is lighter and more accurate by far. I keep both very clean so I don't know how reliablity would be over time with no cleaning which might happen in a SHTF situation. I think I would give the AR the bennifet of the doubt and use it.

My vote the AR15!

I have two ak's but romains but one sucks dick, every 3rd round or so the shell doesnt eject but instead gets stuck under the dust cover.

So I broke that bitchs stock for fucking up

Posted: 10/12/2005 10:51:02 PM EDT

[#8]

Hmm, if you had money problems, i think you should probably look into the slight possibility that the S, does not HTF in Ohio, you know, just in case. I mean, it's kind of funny that you claim to have money problems but want to stock pile 20,000 rounds of ammo.

Guns are a luxury, gotta build the solid foundation in reality before indulging in fantasy man.

That being said, a AK would probably be a better SHTF scenario rifle for simplicity and better long term endurance. I saved up and got a fancy AR because it's nicer, is more effective at what it does, and just in case TEOTWAWKI does NOT happen, i'll have a cooler rifle at the range. If the SHTF, i may have wished I had gotten a AK instead for a lower cost of upkeep and maintenance.

Posted: 10/12/2005 10:52:47 PM EDT

[#9]

Some argue that if the shtf, loaded M16 mags will be somewhat available.

Posted: 10/12/2005 10:58:45 PM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
Quoted:
That is a tough one! I own both and I really like both. In 5,000 rounds my AK jammed 3 times but only due to dud rounds. In 3,000 rounds through my AR it has Zero problems at all. The AR is lighter and more accurate by far. I keep both very clean so I don't know how reliablity would be over time with no cleaning which might happen in a SHTF situation. I think I would give the AR the bennifet of the doubt and use it.

My vote the AR15!

I have two ak's but romains but one sucks dick, every 3rd round or so the shell doesnt eject but instead gets stuck under the dust cover.

So I broke that bitchs stock for fucking up

Mine is a Hungarian FEG SA85M, she runs like a raped ape!

Posted: 10/12/2005 11:03:33 PM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:
Ak, cheaper parts, ammo and rifle. Still will do just fine.

+1, if you're looking for a carbine-type weapon and shooting up to 100 yards (most likely a little under), get the AK. Most SHTF situations don't require shots over 100 yards anyways (if you want to make longer shots, get a .308) and odds are an AK has all the accuracy you need for that purpose. Get 7.62x39, 5.45 can be hard to find and I'm unsure about it's terminal effectiveness, despite the many articles claiming it's "tumbling" effect makes it super-effective. Still, though, if 5.45 (and 5.56 for that matter) is so great, why don't people use it for hunting deer ? My conclusion would be because small-caliber rounds like that are less than effective. Hell, get a decent AK and load it with JSP (Winchester JSP appears to be what is available right now). Not sure about the Russian JSP rounds, do they actually expand ? As for the type of AK, I'd go for a standard fixed-stock variety, if money is such an issue, definitely one of the nicer stamped-receiver guns.

Posted: 10/12/2005 11:07:49 PM EDT

[#12]

gordone I said "hypothetical SHTF situation" and I said if I could stock pile 20,000 rounds of ammo I would (but I dont have that kind of cash). And I know that I live in Ohio and it is borring (thats why I live here). But reality is, is that anything can happen anywhere. What good will any gun do for the owner if you don't have any ammo. I bet you that all those folks in NOLA never dreamed of the shit that they went through.

Posted: 10/12/2005 11:08:45 PM EDT

[#13]

AK parts are considerably less common and getting more expensive.

I own both rifles and one can easily tell that the AR is built with higher quality parts(at least mine is) compared to the AK. And availiblilty of parts won't be nearly as much an issue as with an AK. After all AR's and its parts are all domestically made and AR's(and variants) are used domestically as well.

I've never had an issue with either rifle though. Having a good cleaning kit with your weapon is vital too. It's foolish to trust your life to a weapon that hasn't been maintained, no matter what it is.

I wouldn't recommend stocking up that insane amount of rounds. Especially if you can't afford it or will have problems storing it properly. Go with a bulk of 200-500 to start with. You can always get more.

Posted: 10/12/2005 11:09:06 PM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:
Mine is a Hungarian FEG SA85M, she runs like a raped ape!

I'm not familiary with that.

Is that good or bad?

Posted: 10/12/2005 11:13:37 PM EDT

[#15]

I'll trade you a few thousand round of 7.62 for your AR. Problem solved

Posted: 10/12/2005 11:14:19 PM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Mine is a Hungarian FEG SA85M, she runs like a raped ape!

I'm not familiary with that. Is that good or bad?

I think it is good.

Posted: 10/12/2005 11:18:06 PM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
AK parts are considerably less common and getting more expensive.

I own both rifles and one can easily tell that the AR is built with higher quality parts(at least mine is) compared to the AK. And availiblilty of parts won't be nearly as much an issue as with an AK. After all AR's and its parts are all domestically made and AR's(and variants) are used domestically as well.

I've never had an issue with either rifle though. Having a good cleaning kit with your weapon is vital too. It's foolish to trust your life to a weapon that hasn't been maintained, no matter what it is.

I wouldn't recommend stocking up that insane amount of rounds. Especially if you can't afford it or will have problems storing it properly. Go with a bulk of 200-500 to start with. You can always get more.

Generally speaking, 5000 is enough ammo for quite a while, and 7.62x39 is still fairly cheap.

Posted: 10/12/2005 11:20:25 PM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
Some argue that if the shtf, loaded M16 mags will be somewhat available.

I agree.

On the Other hand....

CARDINALS SUCK

Posted: 10/12/2005 11:21:39 PM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Mine is a Hungarian FEG SA85M, she runs like a raped ape!

I'm not familiary with that. Is that good or bad?

It's an old saying from high school and my Camaro days. A fast car ran like a "raped ape", it's a good thing.

Posted: 10/12/2005 11:27:30 PM EDT

[#20]

I chose the AR because I'm better with it, and it will probably have better parts/ammo availability after the SHTF.

Which gun do you shoot better? Go with that one.

Posted: 10/12/2005 11:33:08 PM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Ak, cheaper parts, ammo and rifle. Still will do just fine.

+1, if you're looking for a carbine-type weapon and shooting up to 100 yards (most likely a little under), get the AK. Most SHTF situations don't require shots over 100 yards anyways (if you want to make longer shots, get a .308) and odds are an AK has all the accuracy you need for that purpose. Get 7.62x39, 5.45 can be hard to find and I'm unsure about it's terminal effectiveness, despite the many articles claiming it's "tumbling" effect makes it super-effective. Still, though, if 5.45 (and 5.56 for that matter) is so great, why don't people use it for hunting deer ? My conclusion would be because small-caliber rounds like that are less than effective. Hell, get a decent AK and load it with JSP (Winchester JSP appears to be what is available right now). Not sure about the Russian JSP rounds, do they actually expand ? As for the type of AK, I'd go for a standard fixed-stock variety, if money is such an issue, definitely one of the nicer stamped-receiver guns.

Lots of people use 5.56 for hunting deer. Not all states' game laws allow it though.

Posted: 10/12/2005 11:34:38 PM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:
AK parts are considerably less common and getting more expensive.

I own both rifles and one can easily tell that the AR is built with higher quality parts(at least mine is) compared to the AK. And availiblilty of parts won't be nearly as much an issue as with an AK. After all AR's and its parts are all domestically made and AR's(and variants) are used domestically as well.

I've never had an issue with either rifle though. Having a good cleaning kit with your weapon is vital too. It's foolish to trust your life to a weapon that hasn't been maintained, no matter what it is.

I wouldn't recommend stocking up that insane amount of rounds. Especially if you can't afford it or will have problems storing it properly. Go with a bulk of 200-500 to start with. You can always get more.

When AK's break, though, it's easier to repair it yourself. There's problems an AR can have that would require the services of a gunsmith or armorer, so you have to factor that in. If not simply because an AK can be worked on with simple hand tools, while AR's in some cases require specific tooling to repair certain problems. So, unless you're willing and able to learn how to play AR15 armorer, stick with the AK. The military uses the AR because they have the logistics tail to support it when things break, a person in SHTF isn't going to have this sort of support. Sure, AR spare parts may be more available, but AK's seldom need spares anyway. Just keep some extra firing pins and trigger components, also, don't use a recoil buffer on an AK for SHTF, I've heard those can cause a loss of reliability. Also, if the SHTF, I think 922r compliance is going to be the last thing people need to worry about

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Posted: 10/12/2005 11:50:52 PM EDT

[#23]

I would go with the AR, but that's just me. Much better platform, I sold mine to make room for other ARs.

Posted: 10/13/2005 12:08:12 AM EDT

[#24]

I had a bad ass folder SAR1. And a bushy XM15. One day at my local range I found myself alone on the line. So I took some paper plates and stuck them on five of the targets across the back of the range. I then fired three shots from kneeling at all five plates, as fast as I can accuratly fire. I missed the plates with at least one round with my SAR1 (ak) and I hit all the plates all the time with a faster overall time with my Bushy. I sold the SAR1 on the EE over the next few days / weeks, because I had to sell off all of its accessories too. I parted it out, and got 2000 rounds of .223 and another 12 mags.
Aks are good for close quarters, and will tollerate slobs who dont clean them. But on the other hand they also attract alot of attention when carried in public. ARs dont carry the bad guy moniker.

Posted: 10/13/2005 12:25:52 AM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:
Have a hypothetical question for you guys. I'm real tight on money. For a SHTF situation I have a glock 17 an AR15 and a AK47. I have at this time plenty of 9mm ammo but no ammo for either AK or the AR that I have (but will be stocking up soon). Since ammo costs alot more for the AR as opposed to the AK I would be able to buy more ammo for my AK than my AR. My question to you guys is if you had to chose just one AK-47 or the AR15 which would it be and why (lets just say that you will have equal ammo for both). My thoughts about stock pileing ammo (I have no problem what so ever with doing this, hell if I could stock pile 20,000 rounds of ammo I would do it). But another question that I have is how much ammo is enough (you never have enough I know I know), but I'm talking about the situation where you cant stay at home. I'm thinking that 20,000 rounds is alot but hell how are you going to carry all of it. I mean you have to have food, water, the wife, kids, clothes and countless other supplies as well. You can only take so much with you right.

Rule#1 Never, ever, sale a firearm for any reason, especially too pay a bill, its taking the easy way out.
Work overtime, do odd jobs, but never sale a firearm to pay a bill, or too buy the "some other cool thing" you have your eye on.

There are two exceptions too the rule. 1) you sale to "trade up" buy a better arm, or 2) you make good money on it. I'm not talking about 50 bucks, but a few hundread.

You never have enough ammo. What happens if the supply runs real low/out or maybe even banned?

Who says you have to keep it all in one place?

I dont know what brand of AK or AR you have, but, if i just wanted to do something differant.
I would sell both and buy a PTR. Keep the sidearm, or maybe trade up.

Lets say you could sale the AK and AR, for, lets say, $1,600 including mags.

You could get a PTR, 100 mags and a case of ammo. Good for both CQB AND long range targets.

Just something to ponder................

Posted: 10/13/2005 1:02:08 AM EDT

[#26]

PTR, what kind of gun is that? Pics please. Caliber?

Posted: 10/13/2005 1:20:31 AM EDT

[#27]

I say AK....

cheap, reliable, easy to maintain, cheaper ammo......

I had a Bushmaster AR - it was a damn fine gun, never failed me but when I shot it I didnt find it very exciting - just plinking with more expensive ammo. I sold it awhile ago.

I recently bought a cheapy WASR-10 - the lowest of the lowly AKs. Its a hoot to shoot, more fun than my AR ever was. I cant put it down - if my $1000 tricked out Bushmaster was setting next to a cheap WASR-10 I would reach right over it to pick up that loose, sloppy and rough AK every time. I say AK..

Posted: 10/13/2005 1:43:57 AM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:
PTR, what kind of gun is that? Pics please. Caliber?

Caliber 308

Posted: 10/13/2005 1:56:04 AM EDT

[#29]

A308SA South African .308 Surplus FMJ, Lead core, and Non-Magnetic!

Item#A308SA
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140rd Battlepack: $22.95

980rd Can: $147.00

I just bought 100 mags for $135.00 DELIVERED!!!

Posted: 10/13/2005 2:03:04 AM EDT

[#30]

I don't know if I am totally objective here. My RRA CAR15 is pretty sweet and I have lots of ammo for it. but right now the AK just seems mo better. The AK has all the no-ban goodies and I guess that is part of it. The only thing about the AK is that the 40 rd mags are heavy and harder to carry that the 30 rd AR mags. I think the loaded up AK is a bit heavier as well. Something about a 40 rd mag, bayonet and Kobra on an asrenal that gives me wood.

Posted: 10/13/2005 2:17:34 AM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:

I just bought 100 mags for $135.00 DELIVERED!!!

www.impactguns.com/store/media/g3_mag_MA403_sm.jpg

those FAL mags? How's the reliablility? I love .308 but my AR10 has feed problems and I couldn't bring myself to use it in a battle situation unless I had no choice. Also, mag capacity and wieght are factors...

Posted: 10/13/2005 2:18:31 AM EDT

[#32]

Posted: 10/13/2005 2:26:19 AM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:
Quoted:

I just bought 100 mags for $135.00 DELIVERED!!!

those FAL mags? How's the reliablility? I love .308 but my AR10 has feed problems and I couldn't bring myself to use it in a battle situation unless I had no choice. Also, mag capacity and wieght are factors...

THINK! GERMAN!

No, not FAL,
H&K 91/G3
built like a fuckin' tank.

Posted: 10/13/2005 2:31:37 AM EDT

[#34]

Personally, I'd probably grab an AR over an AK, but that's because I've built a few now and that's what I'm most familiar with. Course I'd probably need a truck to carry a workbench and the AR tools.

Without that, AK's are famous for reliability. Light maintenance would probably be important for the lone wolfer. An AK with a chromed bore, propery disassembled and refinished with Norell's or Durakote would be as low maintenance as you get.

Posted: 10/13/2005 2:54:35 AM EDT

[#35]

Money problems? Pay off bills and stock pile money, not ammo. Having cool weapons and a shit load of ammo won't do you any good if you can't pay off bills.

Posted: 10/13/2005 3:12:07 AM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:
Money problems? Pay off bills and stock pile money, not ammo. Having cool weapons and a shit load of ammo won't do you any good if you can't pay off bills.

Money...in and of itself, aint worth shit. Its product and services that you want.
If the world went FUBAR tomarrow, all the money you have stock piled, wont be worth sshit.

If its bills ya need to take care of. Get a second job, work over time, do odd jobs on the side.

Buy the right arms and the right ammo, and you wont go wrong.

For example. Bought a Drag for $700, sold it for $1,250
Bought a Russian cerimonial SKS for $180, sold it for $650, etc, etc.

So, if i would have stock piled the money, i would have $880
But, since i was smart enough too invest in the right arm and ammo, now i have $1,900 stock piled.
See what im saying?

Posted: 10/13/2005 3:22:10 AM EDT

[#37]

On another note.
Just think if you would of bought a shit load of AP 7.62x39 ammo when you could buy it for $75 a case of 1,250rds and got a free 75rd drum, back when no one wanted AP ammo.

I remember people saying, you dont need that kind of ammo, only the Military has any use for that stuff.
I wouldent give $5 for a truck load of the stuff.

Hell, if i bought it, what would i do with it, couldent give it away.

Posted: 10/13/2005 3:49:08 AM EDT

[#38]

Posted: 10/13/2005 4:16:54 AM EDT

[#39]

Quoted:
Rule#1 Never, ever, sale a firearm for any reason, especially too pay a bill, its taking the easy way out.
Work overtime, do odd jobs, but never sale a firearm to pay a bill, or too buy the "some other cool thing" you have your eye on.

There are two exceptions too the rule. 1) you sale to "trade up" buy a better arm, or 2) you make good money on it. I'm not talking about 50 bucks, but a few hundread.

Amen Brother.

Posted: 10/13/2005 4:24:08 AM EDT

[#40]

If the S really did HTF, how many AK parts and mags do you think will be available if you need them?

This isn't the ME where every single house has an AK stashed in it.

For actual SHTF weapons, you should choose weapons which are used by the US military or your local law enforcement. This way spare parts and ammo are guaranteed in the event of a full scale SHTF.

This is only my opinion. Take it for what it's worth.

ETA: Yeah, go ahead and get that PTR if you want an unproven, heavy, bulky rifle that is known to have major reliability problems, EXPENSIVE spare parts, and takes a bit of skill to work on. The PTR is hardly a worthy SHTF rifle.

Posted: 10/13/2005 4:42:46 AM EDT

[#41]

I would not sell a gun that you have.

You have 2 good carbines and money situtations can improve over time, sometimes they do some times they don't. But if you work at it the situation will improve.
So DON"T SELL ANY GUNS!

That being said which do YOU like better. In theory I like AK's better because they are more reliable. And less expensive. But ergonomics suck and most accuracy is so so.

AR's are reliable enough with proper maintanance. And have better accuracy and ergonimics.

Stock what YOU like best.

If there is a short lived SHTF situation a 500 rounds SHOULD be enough.

In a long term situation 5-10,000 rounds per rifle. Long term being years. Short lived couldbe weeks or a couple months.

If you are getting into preparing for the worst you NEED Water and FOOD. Start visiting the SF section and build up your supplies slowly. An extra 5 bucks a week at the dollar store for esentials can get you started. There are all kinds of threads to find ideas to stock up on the cheap.

In regards to the rifle stock up on ammo for the rifle you are best with. Keep the other. Stock up on that ammo when you can afford it but keep both guns.

Posted: 10/13/2005 5:06:27 AM EDT

[#42]

Quoted:
I had a bad ass folder SAR1. And a bushy XM15. One day at my local range I found myself alone on the line. So I took some paper plates and stuck them on five of the targets across the back of the range. I then fired three shots from kneeling at all five plates, as fast as I can accuratly fire. I missed the plates with at least one round with my SAR1 (ak) and I hit all the plates all the time with a faster overall time with my Bushy. I sold the SAR1 on the EE over the next few days / weeks, because I had to sell off all of its accessories too. I parted it out, and got 2000 rounds of .223 and another 12 mags.
Aks are good for close quarters, and will tollerate slobs who dont clean them. But on the other hand they also attract alot of attention when carried in public. ARs dont carry the bad guy moniker.

Fool! Traitor! Heretic! Burn the Witch!

My AK is really sh*tty on relability. Last time I went to the range, I had actually lubed my gun, and it jammed on me several times within 120 rnds. Went home, cleaned off the hoppe's elite, and it worked just fine the next trip. I've had numerous failures with it throught 2300 rnds of cheetah, one or two FTFeed's another failure for the bolt to fully close, and about 4 FTE's at my afforementioned trip, all 4 FTE's were within 120 rnds. I've also had a round where the primer blew itself off the case, leaving an intanct round in the chamber.

But that's the ammos fault. I'm using a GP-WASR-10, the newest one, with the standard cap mag's and slant brake. I think it's an OK gun, my Bushmaster runs much better, and I haven't been cleaning it lately. (At least 500 rnds without it.) However, I doubt if I've put even 1,750 rounds through the Bushy. It should be obvious that I go with the AR15, but I'm a sucker for the 7.62's punch.

Posted: 10/13/2005 5:09:42 AM EDT

[#43]

Quoted:
If the S really did HTF, how many AK parts and mags do you think will be available if you need them?
A FREAKIN' SHITLOAD!!!

This isn't the ME where every single house has an AK stashed in it.
How many AK mags/AK's/Ammo, do you think is in the states? A freakin' shitload, thats how many, lol

For actual SHTF weapons, you should choose weapons which are used by the US military or your local law enforcement. This way spare parts and ammo are guaranteed in the event of a full scale SHTF.
So, you score a weapon, to fix your own weapon? lol, if you can score parts, you can score the whole freaking rifle AND ammo

This is only my opinion. Take it for what it's worth.
O.K., not much.

ETA: Yeah, go ahead and get that PTR if you want an unproven, heavy, bulky rifle that is known to have major reliability problems, EXPENSIVE spare parts, and takes a bit of skill to work on. The PTR is hardly a worthy SHTF rifle.

Posted: 10/13/2005 5:11:18 AM EDT

[#44]

Quoted:
If the S really did HTF, how many AK parts and mags do you think will be available if you need them?

This isn't the ME where every single house has an AK stashed in it.

For actual SHTF weapons, you should choose weapons which are used by the US military or your local law enforcement. This way spare parts and ammo are guaranteed in the event of a full scale SHTF.

This is only my opinion. Take it for what it's worth.

ETA: Yeah, go ahead and get that PTR if you want an unproven, heavy, bulky rifle that is known to have major reliability problems, EXPENSIVE spare parts, and takes a bit of skill to work on. The PTR is hardly a worthy SHTF rifle.

You could resupply on AK parts from your friendly neighborhood Chinese forces, remember, they are here to help our troubled country.

Posted: 10/13/2005 8:16:17 AM EDT

[#45]

Quoted:
Quoted:
If the S really did HTF, how many AK parts and mags do you think will be available if you need them?
A FREAKIN' SHITLOAD!!!

This isn't the ME where every single house has an AK stashed in it.
How many AK mags/AK's/Ammo, do you think is in the states? A freakin' shitload, thats how many, lol

For actual SHTF weapons, you should choose weapons which are used by the US military or your local law enforcement. This way spare parts and ammo are guaranteed in the event of a full scale SHTF.
So, you score a weapon, to fix your own weapon? lol, if you can score parts, you can score the whole freaking rifle AND ammo

This is only my opinion. Take it for what it's worth.
O.K., not much.

ETA: Yeah, go ahead and get that PTR if you want an unproven, heavy, bulky rifle that is known to have major reliability problems, EXPENSIVE spare parts, and takes a bit of skill to work on. The PTR is hardly a worthy SHTF rifle.

Ok, you provided responses... where's your logic to support them?

Name the nearest location that you can find AK parts and mags WITHOUT ordering them online... we're talking SHTF here. I know for a fact that my state's NG and local PD SWAT do not use AK47's...

Why would you want to pick up a seperate weapon when you already have one that you have proven reliable, has the accessories you want, is properly sighted in, and you are already accustomed to? Replace the broken part/mags/ammo and keep the rifle you have. Seriously, why the hell would you pick up an unknown weapon if you could simply replace a broken part on your own rifle... or do you not know how to work on your rifle?

I think your attempt at making me look like an idiot failed miserably.

ETA: I just noticed you were the one who recommended the PTR-91. Now it all makes sense.

Posted: 10/13/2005 9:27:08 AM EDT

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If the S really did HTF, how many AK parts and mags do you think will be available if you need them?
A FREAKIN' SHITLOAD!!!

This isn't the ME where every single house has an AK stashed in it.
How many AK mags/AK's/Ammo, do you think is in the states? A freakin' shitload, thats how many, lol

For actual SHTF weapons, you should choose weapons which are used by the US military or your local law enforcement. This way spare parts and ammo are guaranteed in the event of a full scale SHTF.
So, you score a weapon, to fix your own weapon? lol, if you can score parts, you can score the whole freaking rifle AND ammo

This is only my opinion. Take it for what it's worth.
O.K., not much.

ETA: Yeah, go ahead and get that PTR if you want an unproven, heavy, bulky rifle that is known to have major reliability problems, EXPENSIVE spare parts, and takes a bit of skill to work on. The PTR is hardly a worthy SHTF rifle.

Ok, you provided responses... where's your logic to support them?

Name the nearest location that you can find AK parts and mags WITHOUT ordering them online... we're talking SHTF here. I know for a fact that my state's NG and local PD SWAT do not use AK47's...

Why would you want to pick up a seperate weapon when you already have one that you have proven reliable, has the accessories you want, is properly sighted in, and you are already accustomed to? Replace the broken part/mags/ammo and keep the rifle you have. Seriously, why the hell would you pick up an unknown weapon if you could simply replace a broken part on your own rifle... or do you not know how to work on your rifle?

I think your attempt at making me look like an idiot failed miserably.

ETA: I just noticed you were the one who recommended the PTR-91. Now it all makes sense.

If the SHTF then there will be foreign armies with AK's very close by. Kill one of them with your SA, now you have a FA.